Seriously,pull yourself together Anet.

Everything within the past 6, count them 6, months of supposed content and updates has been so lacklustre it's surreal. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of WiK and that I will acknowledge is good, however everything else is subpar.

I'm also aware that they have a small live time working on GW1, but where exactly is the test crewe? As I understand it the test crewe does just that,TEST, whilst the live team makes it happen. There is little excuse for the lack of effort. We've had the standard promises and then half promises of updates, namely of course the dervish update which we will definitey, maybe, probably recieve sometime within the next decade...that's if they're not too busy flogging whatever 'costumes' they bring out (I'll admit I do like the Lich one) at the first excuse. 'Hey yeah there's gonna be a wedding in the storyline, here get in spirit!', even though you know it'll take place in an instance with probably a couple of mates and some heroes.

Which brings me on to the next point. Costumes aren't content, just like cutscenes are also not content and this new 'Hearts of the North' stuff? Uninspiring and frankly boring, it's the same old 'scavenge around to find the quests/wait for the questline to come up on wiki ---> Do them ---> Get rewards ---> Wait for next quest to come out.' Give us something to actually do, you know like revamp dervishes as promised and confirm whether or not you are actually going to implement 7 heroes rather than work on a seasonal and mediocre arena (cough costume brawl). Then think about quests, or better yet incorporate them with REAL changes.

I like guildwars, but there are limits. The same content and stale skills ( Yes the whole useless skills idea cropping up again) from 5 years ago is wholy unnattractive. Furthermore keep one goal in mind, don't tell us you're balancing a class, then say you're reworking an arena, then tell us you're thinking of 7heroes and THEN continue with the Guildwars Beyond stuff. I've been observing the past months seeing how it all turns out, and here on a snow day when colleges/schools I'm completely uncompelled to play GW at this time. I know a lot of you will hate and be like 'play a different game then u n00b!111111' well I have been and after these months it's sad to see it's all still pretty aimless. Which sums it up pretty well : aimless.

While I agree with you on some points, I don't exactly see the point in this post... Anet has been slacking on GW1 and unless we've got insider info, we'll never know why. (Cue: Anet sucks, doesn't care about their players, gw is dead, etc comments. Just Get them out of the way and out of your system.)

The little I have heard about the Test Krewe is that they function by forum only and most of them have left the TK. Not that it really matters, they didn't do much anyway.

Personally, I think they want to get this chapter of GW:B out of the way before they concentrate on any of the "mega" stuff, like the 7 heros (Although I assume that would be simple -- I have limited experience with game managing/developing, so I could very likely be wrong.) and the Dervish update.

Still.... Not much we can do about it.

Ever since they announced GW2, which was also the announcement of the end of the 6month expansion system, every update we get is a bonus.

Stop expecting them, you're not paying for them - they are promotions for GW2. So take them as such.

Or, best of all - take a bloody break! Play something else! You're not married to GW, it's not like a wife - you can ignore her for a long time and cheat around and she'll still welcome you to bed when you come home...

Might wanna read a lil closer next time.

It's depressing how slow things are with the lack of manpower, and the TK really doesn't do a whole lot so you can't simply say "use the test krewe!". The pvp one runs at least weekly tests on prospective changes so there are things happening, it's just slow and that's not gonna change.

I do dislike time spent on these costumes as well but you can't blame them for generating revenue when a lot of players seem to like them.

I'm not sure there will be dervishes in GW 2. I get the feeling that it's not as popular a choice as several of the other professions.

I'm looking forward to the new Canthan content.

I agree and yet.. this is purely a rant thread.. I sense a /threadclose coming soon :O

Well there's no monks in gw2 and they were incredibly popular.
I get the feeling that it's not about popularity.

It saddens me this way, but given the years of enjoyment I've had from GW1, it would seem Anet know a thing or two about surprising me and making me happy. I'd rather they didn't do what I wanted anyway, I'd rather they did something I didn't know I wanted.

The reason why I find GW extremely boring is not the lack of new content or less people playing. I gave it a thought and it turned out that the reason why I liked GW so much was frequent SKILL BALANCE.

That meant I can be creative, test, experiment, and most of all it made it look like developers actually want balanced gameplay. With frequent skill balances I could revisit same area in a different way and have lots of fun.


Now? Gone. Dust. Stale.

And before you say 'I didn't pay for frequent skill balances and have no right to expect then because of GW2', that's just BS. My account has every campaign including BMP. I supported the game. (I didn't buy costumes I didn't like). I would have rather given money to GW for frequent skill balances if that was possibility, but this stopped being important to ANet. They clearly did the math and grind was more profitable. Skill balances are opposite of grind.. grind is stale, not dynamic, and grind just requires one uberpowered build (SF, Ursan, doesn't matter). Fine, I said, and stopped playing.


I will not be buying GW2.

Anet fails, seriously. Just Deal. With the holiday content they have had no time to do as they have promised. Costumes were about revenues and all of their updates since costume introduction has revolved around them. They learned from runescape and such. Free content ,but wait there is more (yougotta pay for it). They have allready implemented pay $ for stuffs in gw2 and in gw1 nothing will be prioritized over $ content. No hero update. No dervish update. Nothing that was promised will be dealt with as their limited manpower is aimed at $ content. Don't believe me? W8 for wintersday costumes, they will be new. If this system is prevalent in gw2 (they have hinted it is for item modifications) I wont be buying.

Anet promises something -> Anet doesn't deliver -> fans are disappointed -> Anet promises something again -> Anet doesn't deliver -> fans gets disappointed again

Stop victimizing yourself. If you haven't learned by now to not expect too much from Anet concerning skill updates or added content for GW1, you are the one to blame, because you are fooling yourself over and over for years and years.

Also think about it. No amount of added content will bring back the fun if you have been playing GW for years and have done everything possible. No skillbalance will suddenly make this game any more fun, because the game is old, you've done it all numerous times, the challenge is gone.

If you are uncompelled to play GW at this time so what? It is allowed to refrain from playing if you are not enjoying it. Forcing yourself to play, hating it every minute, coming on a forum to complain how you are feeling neglected is a bad habit and borders more on obsessive and addictive behaviour. Do you really want to wait for an update, is this how you see yourself spending your free time? Playing a game, being bored, thinking, "I wish the Derv update was released already, or the new campaign in Cantha started"?

Sound advice: take a step back.

BTw, forgot, If you didn't like thakery solo quests don't buy gw2. That line was a deliberate attempt to indoctrinate gw players to gw2 style play. 1 player + companion + no monk. Anet you are so transparent.

ANet is pulled together. It's just not on GW1. And the fan base needs to act accordingly.

It's not the same development team as it was 4 years ago. Don't expect the same level of attention.

Do you have proof? If not then don't make baseless assumptions.

Also there isn't any AI companions I believe in GW2, other players yes but not AI companions (apart from pets of course)

Few things:

Firstly for the love of God learn to read, I haven't bothered playing GW apart from checking the new 'Hearts of the North stuff. I'm not sitting around pining after something I'm very aware will probably not happen this year.

Which leads me on to my next point. This is more of a critique thread, I do appeciate the WiK as effort was put in to that and it was pretty fun. I do not however appreciate their completely mixed up direction at the moment, it's not clear as to whether they've remembered their class update ideas or are just going full throttle for GW:B.

My main gripe is how stale it is, and unlike what Arduin has said balancing and changing skills DOES breath life back in to the game. There's a lot of fun to be had with developing new builds, for PvP and PvE, let alone playing them. Rather than using the same old tried and tested ones you'd have multiple opitons. Which is NEVER a bad thing. If you're happy with stale that's fine, but I'm not and a lot of other people aren't which is why may of the 'oldschool' players are no longer with us. Maybe you should think a little more before speaking.

You're wrong. I did gave it a thought as I said. And guess what, I had lots of fun taking non Prophecy characters to Tyria continent. Yes, I did it all before, but now I did it differently.


SKILLS were content for me. Not new maps and colors. Do you really think content for me was storyline? I could have read a book instead. Do you really think content for me was music? I could've put better one (or go back to gw1 music anyway). Do you really think content for me were titles that encouraged grind?

SKILLS and skill balances are content. Combat is content. That's it. That's the real content of Guild Wars. Creativity. Guild Wars was built on creativity. It thrived on it.

Now, that is all gone. A long time ago. Of course, it's a normal process.. things come and go. But the sad part is that what made GW popular and great is gone. Right now GW is just another grind MMO.

Yup, and we're not gonna come back. This isn't the game we bought.

I read your post afterwards, and I should have had nuanced mine a bit. Fact remains, like The Josip stated, Anet stopped updating any kind of content, or at least shifted it back some gears.

I'm not happy with stale gameplay, that's why I said all challenge is gone. If your interest will be totally revamped with a skill update, more power to you. Do know that you won't get those very often. I might have misinterpreted your post as 'yet another rant, Xsiriss. My bad. Will douse my flames for a bit.

Can anyone confirm/decline this?

The new content we got is actually great, especially when judged by the manpower they have left to work on GW1. Sure, it's out of balance here and there, it'd use some tweaking, i may not like the HotN general feeling and Gwen's 'evolution' throughout the game... but that's personal taste. All in all, GW: B serves its purpose really well - making a bridge towards GW2's lore. If you're not that much into lore, it's understandable you won't enjoy the new content that much, but, well, that's your own problem.
Lack of balances, or just skill updates that try to balance/shake something up is disturbing. If it's true that a big part of TK left the project, it would answer some issues. Still, i feel that making dartboard and/or non-complex updates is, generally, better than no updates at all - but again, that's just my personal taste. Even so, the TK might be made bigger and get more freedom, so that the Live Team may prep content, while TK tries to balance things out.

That said, this thread is just another rant on topic covered nicely in many other places and it'll probably get closed soon.

That's one opinion. Other people may think of this differently, don't forget that.

I enjoy the Hearts of the North content. It was repetitive and could probably have simply been 2 missions, but was still enjoyable, but then again, I enjoyed the storybooks too.

Just because YOU (Speaking to whoever has the same opinion) dislike the content doesn't mean that it isn't content. It was content aimed at my enjoyment, and who are you to say that it's not enough.

I personally abhor the costumes and complete inability to obtain them in game. However there are many who do enjoy them and I do not begrudge them one bit. They are still content.

Artists making costumes does not preclude skill updates of which they probably have zero impact on...

Sorry for the noob question, but why are skills updated; why are updates desirable? I guess if a build gets too powerful it gets nerfed by the company, but apart from that, maybe someone could explain.

The updates come about for two reasons imo

Firstly the skill base became too large so many classes running so many skills caused balance problems esp in pvp.

pvp players began to dominate the game using a few very strong builds "a simplification I know".

Anet likes variety and tried to increase the variety of builds by weakening some skills and making others more powerful or sometimes altering how they functioned.

Every alteration in one area caused a ripple effect creating an imbalance somewhere else.

ANet did think about reworking quests. Hence, GW2.

I don't really see it as a bad thing if a game took five years to become stale to you.

Sure. That sounds like something said from someone who has never tested with us. Ever.

QFT
Seriously, everyone needs to stop complaining. You aren't paying for update; hell, you're not even paying a subscription fee! Stop expecting something for nothing.

To be fair, I believe that some of us have purchased this game with the idea that it would come with some kind of update every now and then. That's part of the advertised model, after all. I don't think I would have bought this game however many years ago if I would have known it wasn't going to be adjusted after release.

Also, skill updates freshen up the game and let new build become more effective. Usually, they focus of a specific profession. Earlier this year, PvE Blood Necromancers, Ritualists, and Mesmers got some love:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/gam...ve-2010-04.php

Right now, people are expecting a Dervish update because, despite being the primary scythe class, all other classes use scythes better. Assassins have higher damage, energy management, and attack speed with critical hits and Critical Agility, Warriors have Warriors Endurance and Strength for armor penetration, and Rangers have Expertise and good survivability.

A while ago, there was an appeal from Anet:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...September_2009

They essentially promised bi-monthly skill balances as long as we would be patient about it, but it's been 8 months between the Mesmer update and the Dervish update that hasn't come yet. Some people are getting ansy. They should just take a break.

Seriously? If you were told "Hey there is this 89% Metacritic game that you'll likely sink thousands of hours into, but the support for it will slow down a bit after 5 years of its release." you wouldn't buy it just because of that?

Get over yourselves.

Hey look, someone on the internet is complaining about not getting free stuff fast enough.

No. It isn't. "Critique" is not a synonym for "Complain". Even on the internet.

And "learn to read"? Really? Are the WoW forums down today or something?

Whether you are happy or unhappy with the new content or the updates is subjective. The new content is adding to the lore and moving the story along towards the future events. The costumes are great and, as they were done by ArenaNet's armor/clothing artists, I don't really think they take time away from skill or profession updates. Don't let your dissatisfaction with the lack of content desired by you leak over into an opinion on all new content.

^this. I still really enjoy playing GW though, but I totally agree with this. That was the best part of GW. Every time a major update occurred you had to change up the way you played. I never got mad at an update. It always meant that I had new ways to tackle things and new ways to experiment. People complain that people are just using the same old builds etc., but that is because the meta hasn't changed in ages. Same goes for PvP.

Why are they going to waste time and people adding additional content to a game that has reached the end of it's life span? The fact they still update this game after 5 years is a testament to Anets dedication to GW. For ~$100 you've got 5 years worth of entertainment. That is a good deal.

Guild Wars 2 > Guild Wars

Nuff' said.

I love that they're still adding any kind of content. It's all icing at this point. I'm still playing through the base campaigns (finished proph & fac) and EotN. Then I can play through them in HM plus I haven't even done WiK yet, or UW, FoW, SF, Urgoz, DoA, etc. I've been playing this game for four years and still have lots to do. But then I only play a couple hours a week.

I do like skill balances and would love to see rangers re-balanced a little. It's currently much more powerful playing as a SoS R/Rt than as a bow user. But I prefer bows.

Well that's just idiotic, because if you could actually read you would have seen that I LIKE some of what anet has done recently. What I do NOT like is this sudden misdirection. Critique is constructive and encourages progress, very much the opposite of what you yourself have done which is essentially just attack something I don't think you fully understand.

This entire 'rant/thread/whatever' is about the fact that I do not want to see Anet continue this kind of behaviour. Where they don't just say one thing and not stick to it, but keep saying a lot of things about many different subjects that they then apparently forget. In the past for example they gave us reasons for why 7 heroes wasn't really viable and actively engaged with the community about certain OP builds in PvP. Now it's hints of promises and dead silence.

I'm happy with the years of content I've got out of it, I just don't want anet to collapse from a ton of crossed threads and unintend promises because that bodes ill for GW2. Afterall the title is addressing anet, not just the game itself.

I am enjoying it all........considering i took a 2 year break this is all refreshing and fun too me....once i am bored again, probably find another free MMO while i wait for GW2.

I gotta agree a lot with OP's post though. There was almost no update in PvP , and the few there was made it completly pointless.

Deleting TA and HB for Codex : made a lot of players quit. TA players are either doing Codex when they can , either losing hair in RA. Some HB players left , many others did go HA ( you can remember the huge apparition of bb sins in HA , leading to situation actually in Heroes Ascent ) .

Some skills updates , concerning only top100 GvGers or mat winners , rest of players are like /care.

Some promises such as new HA map or dervish update that completly disappeared.
WiK content was nice , however a bit repetitive on quests , and you see that lazyness reported in Hearts of the north : almost 5 times the same quest , just having to kill mobs every 5 steps.

Personaly , i don't mind a lot , but the huge problem for me is that game would be a lot better if they didn't do any update last 2 years ( in PvP ofc ). Anyway , i guess it's too late now and they probably wont change anything.

why should I stop expecting something? I 've bought a game with promises of free and regular updates.

This is taken from gw.com:

Will there be a subscription fee for Guild Wars? Are there any other fees, such as for patches or updates?

There is no a subscription fee of any kind, anywhere in the world and there are no hidden fees. You do not have to pay for the streaming updates that will take place on a regular basis, nor for additional content that we will provide between the campaigns of Guild Wars.

Change of staff, change of staff management, change of overall goals.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Game_updates

5 updates the last month, free of charge.

Whether you are happy with the updates, is up to you.

This forum is full of people who, were they on fire and you handed them an extinguisher, would moan that they didn't like its colour.

We did get new content. The Hearts quests were different and entertaining, at least for some people. They weren't for others, yourself included, and you're perfectly within your right to not like them, but you go to far when you claim that they're shoddy or poorly done. They're very well done, they're just not something you enjoy.

Also: halloween quests were awesome.

Not exactly...it's more like being handed an empty fire extinguisher. Yeah we got one, but it doesn't really do anything.

Imo skill updates are completely underrated. A good skill update provides much more than a small content update in terms on playabilty. (is that a word?) The mesmer update has lead to many people playing their mesmers for coutless hours vs content updates which lead to only a few hours.

I personally would rather have skill updates than content updates, but that's just me.

A game that has no monthly fees needs a lot of updates to keep people interested. This is not the cast with GW1 (anymore). So people will leave the game or post a thread about it like you did. These threads are pretty aimless because they only comfirm what everyone alrdy knows.