GW Artcontest = Unfair rewards?

So, what your saying is, "QQ 20 people get to fill up their HoM fast."
What I'm saying is, "That sucks."
After you fill up your HoM what else is there possibly to do? And um, news flash, filling up your HoM is NOT HARD. It takes time, sure, BUT NOT HARD.
You responded to my picture...

So, is it unfair that people get Mini Dhuum drop? You said yourself Mini Dhuum is worth a lot.

No i dont think BDS drops, WiK green mini drops, or dhuum or ghostly hero(from ha chest) or el tonics from zaishen chest r unfair.

But stupid Art Contest win = 5000e+ is total bs imo. (well MKG was 30000e+ last year i think)

Regarding fairness, if Guild Wars or any other game out there were fair, we'd all start off with full inventories of every item, maxed out armor of every type, and max gold and stats. Obviously that's bad for business, so no, the game is not "fair" by that definition. It is incorrect to assume that the game is fair in terms of player progress because each player progresses in a different way. The reality of gaming, particularly online, is that you will get the most enjoyment and the least angst if you set your own goals and use those as benchmarks for your experience rather than using what others have as standards to estimate your self worth.

I've filled my HoM to the level that I feel is worth the time I was willing to invest into it and nothing more. I don't care if someone else fills theirs instantly from nothing. Good for them, hopefully it makes their day a bit brighter. I will not sit and brood because they have X more achievements than I do, though, or that they got them so much faster than I did. I have better things to do with my time, and more important things to be angsty over

This may not be the case with other players, but I found it to be a perspective that works out nicely and in the end I am a less angry person for having adopted it.

Well, if the rewards were worth almost nothing, nobody would spend time making these masterpieces. Why let it affect you so much? Okay, people get made into millionaires, they can't do anything "better" in game than you. You're max damage suntouched spear does just as much dmg as their VS (provided the mods and attributes are the same).

It's just like in life - turnip farmers are not they guys who get the Mercedes .

hmmmm

i'm a very casual GW player, i've "officially" played for about 3 years. i don't care about minipets (they do nothing for me or my party), my main toon owns 2 sets of armor (norn + whatever that one with a skirt is you buy from LA), i average about 25k in storage by end of my play, etc...

basically what i am saying is... its just a game, some peeps collect game junk, others do the contests. and then there's the constant crybabies that always find SOMETHING to whine about, like this thread for example.

I won an art contest and got a mad king's guard. Now I can sit in a town and wave my e-peen around. Woop de doo.

I've always been a pretty poor nub. When I realized what was going on with art contests instead of complaining I just entered. Optimism wins out again.

paying a pro artist does not make you win automatically. sorry you don't feel like its fair, but honestly go QQ somewhere else

i vote
/close
or at least color the thread green.

I feel very sorry for you. Your envy runs deep, and your ideals of the world are very naive. Please learn about in game "economy" and the RMT world before you open your q.q post here. Theres no reason everyone in the game cant be super rich, you just have to want it. I dont SC or anything of the sort, but I love to play this game and have very nice things to show for it. Know why? Because instead of whining I play the game.
Scary huh?
..and just a side note...it is infact VERY easy to fill your HoM. I was 24/50 when the update came out because I didnt care much for maxing titles or putting armor on my heros..But I decided I wanted to fill it, put my nose to the grindstone and filled my hall less than a month later.

Basically all i'm saying is reduce the value of the Art Contest reward. simple

I guess some people just dont care. maybe they should give aways 20000armbraces for all art contest winners, cos gw is all about art contest.

Well according to you it seems to be all about the art contest but to most it's about hmmmm I think playing the game shocker isn't it.

You dont get it... there is NO value.
If there was value to it, they might as well have just given you the "10,000" ecto that it was worth.
The people in the GAME decide on its value, and those are the people that really want it. If you REALLY want it there is NOTHING standing in the way of you getting it.
It's just something that only makes someone awesome-sauce in game. When they go back into real life they're just the same ol tom, rick, or mary they were before they logged on....get over it.

Well cos art contest reward(in terms of value) is the biggest bs in gw imo.

If they gonna give away 5000e+(which is alot of money in gw) on art contests, they might as well change the name of the game to Art Contest Wars.

Yes because 5ke is clearly going to buy you experience to win every single GvG match.

You might as well make your own game called Trade Wars where you decide what every item is valued at and the whole objective is to obtain more cash than the person beside you. That seems to be the point of this entire thread.

@Winry - Sounds like you're just butthurt over the fact that you're having trouble making money

First of all, you act like if participating in the Art Contest is an instant reward. It's now, some people (including me) see themselves working hard on a entry and not see themselves rewarded.
Secondly, you act like if some people are born to win the Art Contest or something. Seriously, how much time do you think people have practiced to become good enough to win such thing? If you would have put all your time in learning how to draw, paint or craft instead of in dumbshit UW, perhabs you would have been able to win something in it aswell.

Thirdly, its not Anet who decides on the price of those things in game. Its you. Your endless farming, others with you, made there be so many ecto's in the game, that nobody knows where to spend them on. Then a new item arrives (YAY MGK or Reindeer Tonic) and they have too many ecto to spend, so why not spend them on those.

And then, how do people get so much money to actually buy those tonics and mini's in the first place? Its not like those mini's and tonics are only being traded by art contest winners. No, its people who have gotten their wealth through playing. And so could you have.

Damn Kleenex must be making a killing from Winry's QQ

If I won the lottery tomorrow and decided to fund a gw poetry competition and give $10,000 to the winner would that be unfair ?

Would it still be unfair if you were a skilled poet ?

Would it also be unfair if you won ?

The competition has a hefty reward and though I have some skill in art I am not entering but I wish good luck to those that do enter and look forward to seeing their results.

This

I get a lot of enjoyment from looking at many of the artworks produced, though sometimes in the official contest you do wonder what the judges were thinking......

Im not gonna bother reading rest of posts but i see winry is having another QQ post after his polar bear QQ.
Anet DOESNT set the market price for minis - We do.
What would you prefer as a top prize ... a rare mini or a common mini - say a jungle Troll ???
Its XMas - stop QQing over everything and spend your time doing something else - maybe helping players doing quests or something in gw ( seems more rewarding than QQing over things that dont really matter ).
BTW a lot of ppl join the art contest to show off what ability they have regardless if they win or not and they do it for fun.

To answer OP : yes and no. No , because that's same everywhere. You know hazard games where you can gain a lot , but also some contest where you can win ps3 or comps. However , i say yes concerning who wins it ( i especially remember henchman contest where hazardly , half winners were in [ZoS] guild ).

So , for me the only unfair thing is if selected people they know are part of winners. Otherwise , it's not really unfair ( if yo uwant other example , consider people who get mini ghost from hall chest ...)

wts kanaxai 10000euros, so ye.
These prices should not be given.
Give concept art books and so instead imo, or even better: those art programs or w/e they are

Who cares? It doesn't affect you in a negative way in the slightest, hell it even brings the prices of the minis down so it benefits you. So instead of being a whiner realise that because you do no work and others put in a lot of time and effort you can buy a mini Kanaxai or MKG cheaper. Congratulations!

Total agreement on this statement. I love to write and can't draw a stick figure so why is my talent any less deserving a contest/reward then others?

So, if I understand this thread correctly, Winry is jealous that somebody who wins an art contest will get an item that offers absolutely no mechanical advantage in-game, that they could theoretically sell for a ton of ectos.

I'm finding it very difficult to describe how stupid this is.

Why shouldn't anet be able to give away whatever they want to whoever they want, so long as it doesn't break game balance? Because it makes you feel as though your farming is less effective than someone else's? Because someone else has a talent that you don't and is able to get something out of it?

Who are you to say that winning the art contest is easier than getting 10k ecto (or whatever arbitrary value you want to assign to the rewards)? The difficulty in winning the art contest is directly proportional to the number of people entering it and their skill level. Anyone can get 10k ecto if they bother to take the time to do it (heck, you don't even have to actually play the game, you can simply powertrade). Not everyone can win the art contest (by definition).

This entire idea of the art contest being unfair because the rewards are too high comes down to this:

"They shouldn't be able to get that wealth more easily than me!"

Which is a variation on the classic:

"If I can't have it, then neither should they."

Why do you want to keep other people down, at no benefit to yourself or anyone else? To force them to do it your way? Why? To make you feel better and ease your inferiority complex? I've got news for you: there will always be people ahead of you in the ectos game. You're way too late to catch up. Some of them worked harder than you to get there, some not as much. What's one more?

If getting as much money as you can is what you find fun, then the amount of money that other players have shouldn't matter to you.

If having more money than everyone else is what you find fun, then you're screwed, because you will never have as much money as some players.

Do you think it will make a mockery of your attempts at garnering wealth? Do you think it will trivialize all the effort you put into getting to where you are? How would one person, competing with several others to claim a limited prize trivialize mere grind? It should be the other way around. A person who has to beat other people to take a prize should feel trivialized if their rewards can also be achieved without such competition by any random dude who puts enough time into it.

Also, this is a game. The rewards have no non-sentimental value. The desire to deprive someone of something that has value only to them makes no sense, unless it is out of sheer malice (which it can't be in this case, because it is directed at a generic yet specific person).

This is petulant, immature, and a waste of time, even by internet forum standards.

So, in summary:

What is this I don't even

That about sums it up.

No. But only stupid people complain about things like this.

This sounds like a "I can't have it, so no one should have it" QQ cry thread.

It is this simple Winry. You seem to forget this, and I have said this before in other threads.

Anet can reward whatever they want. It doesn't matter how much you see it go for ingame. We as a Community set the prices of these minis, not Anet. To them, this is a regular mini like any other mini out there. But to us, since 90% of the community is greedy, it is an extremely expensive mini.

Anet doesn't set the price for ingame items, we do as a community. Just because we charge outlandish prices for something, doesn't mean anything to Anet. Anet will continue to do things their way and reward what they choose regardless of the overpriced market prices we have set for ourselves.

So yes, let them reward someone with an ingame item that costs a ton of money. We have no one to blame but ourselves for that mini being so expensive. Anet didn't set the price of it, we did. That mini is equal to any other mini in Anet's eyes. They don't base their rewards off our community based market.

So instead of crying about it, ask yourself "Does this affect my gameplay at all in any way shape or form?". Your answer would be no. It doesn't. It won't affect your game in any way if someone named xXxNarutoxXx wins a mini. You will probably never see that person ever ingame anyways, so why do you care?

Like I said before, it is the community that sets the prices on how expensive something is, not Anet. They are not at fault for giving a "community based expensive ingame item" as a reward. To them, it is just another basic mini.

I think this thread just needs to be closed.

By this logic the $100,000 tourny series ANET did was unfair since not everyone is good at GvG and/or hero battles.

No cos that requires skill.
Art Contest is totally different cos you can easily get help or hire someone to do the job for ya.

I was one of the two that won a Kanaxai through the art contests. Did it make me richer? NO because I did not sell it and will not sell it. It didn't magically make Obsidian armor appear on any of my chars, I earned that by picking up every little white drop and a heck of a lot of selling of low end items. And btw MKG isn't even getting near 5k ecto anymore. If it was I would have one less mini already and the Workshop would have a lot more prizes right now.

GvG you could have hired more skilled players players to fight for your guild.
Hero battles you could hire a more skilled player to make the builds or play for you.

Your argument is so poor that it can easily be turned against you.


As stated above me, most winners don't sell their winnings. Holding on to it gives them a status that other players can only hope to have. Not that its used for bragging rights, but it pretty much entitles you to them.

I'm not against the rewards. But they could be a lil bit less extreme ^^ But your post doesn't make sense. As you think it's better to give rewards to people who do NOT play the game. Next time i juggle the football 100 times and record. Will i get a reward bcoz i'm not rolling my head over the frking keyboard? No, ofcourse not!

And yes, i know that art is something else then football. Hence why i don't mind the rewards.

Does this thread really exist or am I having a hilarious dream? *rubs eyes*

Those of you complaining about the rewards need to ask yourself this: do you need them to survive? You might need a reality check if the answer was yes.

Everyone is capable of creating art! Create something... enter it... hope for the best. Stop bitching and moaning about how other people put a lot of time and effort into something and got rewarded for it. You look dumb.

This thread is still alive?

You say end chest drops are a normal part of GW and therefore "fair." In other words, you're saying a roll of the dice is more fair than a contest based on legitimate talent.

The only reason you would possibly be making this argument, outside sheer insanity, is that you have no artistic talent. Probably both things, after reading your arguments.

The contest produces enjoyable art that is fun for all GW fans. I'm fine with rewarding their efforts with unique and rare items. Plus, if I enter the contest and am beat by somebody more talented, it's an understandable loss. If I do the exact same dungeon with a guildie, same time and effort, same success level, and he gets a rare end-chest and I don't, THAT is unfair.

You're entirely backwards, and this is a terrible thread.

On the in game business side i see this as a great idea, as a realist i see this as pointless for in game money, morally i see this as wrong, but for the sake of fun to get anything you want in game this is a great idea.

damn 4 pages of us forumers getting trolled by a new dupe.

I don't mind the rewards people get from contests. Any reward they get will be fine by me, regardless of how exclusive and unique it is...

...as long as they are customized for the account, not tradable and they can create as many as they want with a certain command, like with /bonusitems.


When you get promotional items, you can recreate them as many times as you want.
So items like the CE miniatures and contest rewards should be unlimited and not tradable.

It's YOUR reward for YOU doing something, something YOU must keep, not sell.
Rewards from doing things outside the game should not be an injection of cash, but something you can enjoy and show to prove you were amongst those that did that.

Getting your name in an NPC can't be sold, either.

What is this "MKG" of which you speak?

The MKG is a Mad Kings Guard miniature that was a prize given from last years Halloween Art contest.