Its old news but its good to bring up since many people are new or forgot.
Some scammers are operating in Kamadan, Lion's Arch, Eye of the North and Temple of the Ages. The con is to pass off special presents quest items as wintersday gifts since they share the same icon. So keep alert when buying wintersday gifts.
Here is an example
Thanks
How not to get scammed this wintersday!
melissa b
BenjZee
I think that's why called them 'special' pressents. Technically theyre only doing something wrong if they didnt state what the pressent was..
I'm not justifying their actions at all and woulda reported the person myself
..also im not sure you can just post their name up here and say this kinda thing, theycould get some abuse. Thanks for the heads up
...ofcourse obvious fact aswell, frozen ectos aren't real globs of ectoplasm used for FoW armor. Though i think anyone that states this are probably not tryin to scam and just trolling
I'm not justifying their actions at all and woulda reported the person myself
..also im not sure you can just post their name up here and say this kinda thing, theycould get some abuse. Thanks for the heads up
...ofcourse obvious fact aswell, frozen ectos aren't real globs of ectoplasm used for FoW armor. Though i think anyone that states this are probably not tryin to scam and just trolling
pedrobds
just a message of awareness and a good one, especially for new players to keep their eyes open on trades
Maver1ck87
Scamming is just a form of darwinism. Warning people is pointless, all people need to do is engage their brain. As that aint happening any time just sit and lol at people who see something and go 'WOW thats an amazing deal, its as tho its too good to be true... then 5 minutes later they learn why if it seems too good to be true, it IS too good to be true!'
Hollygen
Forwarned is forarmed, they say, and I think it's better that these potential scams are brought to light occasionally
For example in this case a newbie may not know Special Presents exist, so would not know to be on guard
Other wintersday scams include trying to convince people that they can get normal Globs of Ectoplasm out of Frozen Globs of Ectoplasm. Can't be done
For example in this case a newbie may not know Special Presents exist, so would not know to be on guard
Other wintersday scams include trying to convince people that they can get normal Globs of Ectoplasm out of Frozen Globs of Ectoplasm. Can't be done
novawhiz
what the hell is a special present?
Ryno_Noobslayer
special presents are quest items use them to obtain simple rewards in a couple of wintersday quests. you cannot open them and to my knowledge the quests are not repeatable.
On a side note I like to open the trade with scammers and place my offer. Submit the offer but never hit accept. then see how much of the guys time u can waste before he hits cancel trade. I once had 20 ecto sitting in the trade window for 30 mins while i went afk. Got back to a lot of angry whispers. lol
On a side note I like to open the trade with scammers and place my offer. Submit the offer but never hit accept. then see how much of the guys time u can waste before he hits cancel trade. I once had 20 ecto sitting in the trade window for 30 mins while i went afk. Got back to a lot of angry whispers. lol
Dark-NighT
Thanks for the heads up!
MithranArkanere
Those should have had a different icon.
Dark-NighT
Indeed, but changing the icon will delay dervish update..derp
Nah kidding, just pay attention to the items being offered!
Nah kidding, just pay attention to the items being offered!
RedDog91
While its great that you want to alert potential victims, making this thread may have in fact alerted more potential scammers of the scam's existence.
I'm a nice guy, and even I thought for half a second "Hey!..."
I'm a nice guy, and even I thought for half a second "Hey!..."
novawhiz
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
While its great that you want to alert potential victims, making this thread may have in fact alerted more potential scammers of the scam's existence.
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Kranas
You're not a nice guy if you even slightly entertain the thought of scamming someone - -.
Also nothing original about this scam. You would think the artists at Anet could have gone just that extra step of reskinning or changing a colour on the art or something.
Also nothing original about this scam. You would think the artists at Anet could have gone just that extra step of reskinning or changing a colour on the art or something.
mechanizeddeath
Thanks for the info and report. There are still a lot of people out there who try this crap, simply because there are still a lot of people who fall for it.
Ryno_Noobslayer
while changing the icon would be useful there are plenty of items in GW that share icons. Scammers will always try to scam. I wouldn't mind seeing something like the customization alert in the trade window for quest items.
Example: You place a dedicated mini, armor piece, or customized weapon in the trade window and an alert pops up to the other end stating which items are customized. Use this same principle and apply it to quest items, have a pop up alert you that you are trading for a quest item and ask if you actually want to proceed.
Now that would be nice in my opinion.
Example: You place a dedicated mini, armor piece, or customized weapon in the trade window and an alert pops up to the other end stating which items are customized. Use this same principle and apply it to quest items, have a pop up alert you that you are trading for a quest item and ask if you actually want to proceed.
Now that would be nice in my opinion.
Delete HB Already
^I traded my armor to my friend today so that she could dye it pink and when she traded it back to me I got a message saying that the items I was about to receive are customized do you wish to proceed and I just hit yes. But as for dedicated minis and stuff etc I agree a notification would be helpful.
Back on topic: Thanks for posting this, I didn't know that there was another object with te same icon as wintersday gifts and I've bought plenty of the gifts already. After a while you kinda just look at the item and assume that it's what you think it is so now I will make extra sure to check the text
Back on topic: Thanks for posting this, I didn't know that there was another object with te same icon as wintersday gifts and I've bought plenty of the gifts already. After a while you kinda just look at the item and assume that it's what you think it is so now I will make extra sure to check the text
Valerius
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^I traded my armor to my friend today so that she could dye it pink and when she traded it back to me I got a message saying that the items I was about to receive are customized do you wish to proceed and I just hit yes. But as for dedicated minis and stuff etc I agree a notification would be helpful.
Back on topic: Thanks for posting this, I didn't know that there was another object with te same icon as wintersday gifts and I've bought plenty of the gifts already. After a while you kinda just look at the item and assume that it's what you think it is so now I will make extra sure to check the text |
and yeah I didn't know about this scam either, I just was looking at the icons. Thanks for the heads up.
Kumu Honua
If you report these scammers, they will get suspended.
makosi
While I agree that it's careless to become victim to such a scam and that we should all be vigilant during trades, it does not excuse the scammer for doing what he's doing.
I also have to note the developers' laziness for using the same icons for multiple things. Even a change of icon colour would be a simple and effective way of making unique icons without much hassle.
I also have to note the developers' laziness for using the same icons for multiple things. Even a change of icon colour would be a simple and effective way of making unique icons without much hassle.
EmberZ0ne
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On a side note I like to open the trade with scammers and place my offer. Submit the offer but never hit accept. then see how much of the guys time u can waste before he hits cancel trade. I once had 20 ecto sitting in the trade window for 30 mins while i went afk. Got back to a lot of angry whispers. lol
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Warbog The Slayer
if a scammer says wts 250 presents with "X" ectos
does that count as a scam if he puts special presents instead of Wintersday presents in trade window ?
my opinion is that he doesn't scam(theoretical), the reason is that he can put w/e prices he wants for his items.
Am I right?
does that count as a scam if he puts special presents instead of Wintersday presents in trade window ?
my opinion is that he doesn't scam(theoretical), the reason is that he can put w/e prices he wants for his items.
Am I right?
Jumping Is Uselss
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Originally Posted by Warbog The Slayer
if a scammer says wts 250 presents with "X" ectos
does that count as a scam if he puts special presents instead of Wintersday presents in trade window ? my opinion is that he doesn't scam(theoretical), the reason is that he can put w/e prices he wants for his items. Am I right? |
Also check the guildwiki for more info on items before buying.
Dzjudz
Well, you could argue that anyone selling Special Presents is by default a scammer, since they are free quest items that anyone can freely get in any amount with no effort at all.
Rhododendron
"New Players" don't have 6 ectos to spend on 2 stacks of presents.
LordDragon
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Well, you could argue that anyone selling Special Presents is by default a scammer, since they are free quest items that anyone can freely get in any amount with no effort at all.
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Legally the definition of intent is: A determination to perform a particular act or to act in a particular manner for a specific reason; an aim or design; a resolution to use a certain means to reach an end.
By this anyone giving Special Presents for ectos is committing an intended act. They are indenting to get items of value for items that they know have no specific value outside of the quest for which they are required. There can be no 'mistaken' intent to such a trade as the effort required to get the special presents lends itself to direct needed action on the scammers part. Repeatably taking an abandoning the quest to obtain a stack of goods otherwise useless removes ANY doubt as to intent.
On to the statement that scamming (or other reasons to dehumanize a person) is just Darwinism. This argument has been used by sociopaths for generations to justify their actions. This sociopathic tendency was displayed in great abundance during the 1940's in Germany. Anyone who really believes that scams like the one presented here is just a form of Darwinism needs to take a really close look at themselves. Letting sociopathic justifications get out of hand is a good way to end up in jail or worse.
Ixillius
Thanks for the heads up, i didnt even know these items existence. freaked out because i bought 100e worth of gifts a few days ago and thought it might have happened to me.
Warvic
Thought this thread was a guide or something :/
Might aswell do that.
put market prices of all the WD items in here.
You can also put other scams in here aswell. The frozen globs of ectoplasm for example.
Might aswell do that.
put market prices of all the WD items in here.
You can also put other scams in here aswell. The frozen globs of ectoplasm for example.
GwOxygen
Thanks for the warning! Didn't know the presents shared their image with something else.
Chop it Off
I ran into one of these scammers this morning in spamadan.
I was shouting WTB Gift Stacks 25k and he ran up and put 4 stacks of special presents into my trade window. I noticed they were special presents before I even put my gold in and proceeded to call him various names....scammer being one of them.. Then he starts pming me saying how he was scammed and he was just trying to get his money back blah blah blah..../report .../screenshot.
I was shouting WTB Gift Stacks 25k and he ran up and put 4 stacks of special presents into my trade window. I noticed they were special presents before I even put my gold in and proceeded to call him various names....scammer being one of them.. Then he starts pming me saying how he was scammed and he was just trying to get his money back blah blah blah..../report .../screenshot.
RedDog91
If they say "Selling gifts" and offer the Special Presents, then you can report for scamming.
If they say "Selling presents" and offer Special Presents, then they technically aren't scamming since they told you what they were selling. Remember, getting scammed is as much your fault as it is their's, you too must click the Accept button.
If they say "Selling presents" and offer Special Presents, then they technically aren't scamming since they told you what they were selling. Remember, getting scammed is as much your fault as it is their's, you too must click the Accept button.
Chop it Off
Well I specifically say "gifts" so if they try that crap with me..../report
melissa b
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
If they say "Selling gifts" and offer the Special Presents, then you can report for scamming.
If they say "Selling presents" and offer Special Presents, then they technically aren't scamming since they told you what they were selling. Remember, getting scammed is as much your fault as it is their's, you too must click the Accept button. |
If a player reported a seller who sold 7 stacks of quest items but called them presents for 21 ectos for example and put the buyer on ignore and logged out immediately after, and the buyer took screenshots of the transaction and reported it via email. What would anet do.
2nd question lets inverse your statement. If a player says their selling present stacks for 25k each but are actually selling wintersday gifts is that a scam??? I think not. I think it comes down to intent and common sense.
What say you?
RedDog91
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If a player reported a seller who sold 7 stacks of quest items but called them presents for 21 ectos for example and put the buyer on ignore and logged out immediately after, and the buyer took screenshots of the transaction and reported it via email. What would anet do.
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You could report for scamming if you really wanted to, dubtful that you will thought. And then that report will suffer the same fate as the one above.
Iuris
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
If they say "Selling gifts" and offer the Special Presents, then you can report for scamming.
If they say "Selling presents" and offer Special Presents, then they technically aren't scamming since they told you what they were selling. Remember, getting scammed is as much your fault as it is their's, you too must click the Accept button. |
Also, do note that when the value of the contributions of both parties is so unequal as to be exploitative, there's laws to cover that, too.
Dzjudz
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
If they say "Selling gifts" and offer the Special Presents, then you can report for scamming.
If they say "Selling presents" and offer Special Presents, then they technically aren't scamming since they told you what they were selling. Remember, getting scammed is as much your fault as it is their's, you too must click the Accept button. |
Example of advertising an item and the buyer mistakes it for another:
WTS Emerald Edge, XXk
The buyer might confuse this with an Emerald Blade (not a perfect example, the icon is different, but this confusion is still common).
Example of advertising an item hoping the buyer mistakes it for another:
WTS Present XXk/stack
If these are Special Presents, the seller's ONLY intent can possibly be to scam buyers who confuse them for Wintersday Gifts. Special Presents are completely and utterly worthless. There is no reason to buy them for even 1g, and the seller knows this. This is plain old scamming, hoping to catch people who are confused and don't know the difference between Presents and Gifts.
melissa b
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My educated guess is that they would let the report ticket sit for a few long months since there are countless reports during Wintersday for something or another. And so long as the person said they were selling presents, they weren't lying.
Common sense isn't so common. You could report for scamming if you really wanted to, dubtful that you will thought. And then that report will suffer the same fate as the one above. |
Someone got coal for Christmas...
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lemming
If any if you want to quibble about social darwinism, feel free to take it to the off-topic forum.
Phane
You can also teach scammer a lesson. :P
maybe he didnt lose much. but all the time he spent getting 1000 presents for 80g. Priceless.
Kumu Honua
But did you report him and have his account banned? That's far more effective.