Why does everyone say "offer" when selling something?
dsielschott
I will say from my experience that i ask for an offer because I myself do not really know what its worth...
CrustyEarl
I rarely sell stuff, but when I do I usually say Offer. If the buyer comes back with a price I can live with it's theirs I don't haggle, unless your offer is retarded like 1g. I don't have time to scour around and find out what every little thing is worth nor do I care too. It's easier then sitting there for 20 minutes with a made up price and wasting my time not getting offers because it may be too high or whatever. I'm willing to bet that many people who say Offer are in the same boat.
I really hope GW2 has some kind of wow like auction system as well. It makes life much easier cause I can throw up my wares and then get on with playing the game while my goods sell themselves.
I really hope GW2 has some kind of wow like auction system as well. It makes life much easier cause I can throw up my wares and then get on with playing the game while my goods sell themselves.
Anshuri
I usually only set offer when im selling identified golds where i dont rly bother about the price as long as its higher than what the merchant would give. (Now we're talking half crappy golds, not the rly good ones). In 99% of the cases i agree to the offer that the buyer presents. If i sell a gold weapon for lets say 600g, i have made about twice as much money as i would have if i were to sell it to the merchant. Plus i've prolly made someone else happy by selling them a weapon, or an ungrade that is on that weapon, which they maybe would have had to pay another 2k for elsewhere. So as i see it, even tho i maybe could have gotten a bit more from it, i still havent lost any money on the deal.
chessyang
yep like other have said.... not everyone knows the price.
Ghull Ka
He says "offer" because he's hoping you'll quote a number that is greater than what he thinks/knows it's worth.
This is common on extreme-low-end items.
For instance, if a zealous dagger tang sells for 2k on the market, and you say "WTB" for one, a seller will say "i got one, offer" to you. Chances are, you'll highball the offer, and say something like "5k?" Bam. Seller is very pleased. He's got 15x more mods to sell, and he'd really like the buyers to suggest that they all pay double their worth. Small potatoes? Sure. Does it add up? You bet!!
So, "offer" is the best way to make pretend gold in Kamadan, and it won't go away.
This is common on extreme-low-end items.
For instance, if a zealous dagger tang sells for 2k on the market, and you say "WTB" for one, a seller will say "i got one, offer" to you. Chances are, you'll highball the offer, and say something like "5k?" Bam. Seller is very pleased. He's got 15x more mods to sell, and he'd really like the buyers to suggest that they all pay double their worth. Small potatoes? Sure. Does it add up? You bet!!
So, "offer" is the best way to make pretend gold in Kamadan, and it won't go away.
instanceskiller
Ergh this annoys me so much when people do this. Sometimes I will ask them why they don't give a solid price and they just say they don't know how much the item is worth. Once you offer something and they don't like it they suddenly seem to know how much it is worth...
Most common reason sellers do this is extortion really. Best thing to do when they do this will probably be to annoy them by offering 1g or ignore them.
Most common reason sellers do this is extortion really. Best thing to do when they do this will probably be to annoy them by offering 1g or ignore them.
LordDragon
The reason is that someone will 'offer' up a truly outrageous amount for items some times. They feel that they can get more ectos/gold by letting the person set there own price.
The problem also works in reverse. I recently had two mini MOX for sale. I researched the price they were going for each time. First one I put up, WTS Mini MOX 80e. I ALWAYS indicate the price I want. At the time MOX was going for 70-90e.
I cannot tell you how many people PM'd me with I'll give you 20e, it's not worth that, I'll only give you X, or other such crap. It only took 30 minutes but I got my 80e. The people giving me a hard time are the same ones that sell things for 'offer'. They are power traders and would have done that with my MOX if they could have convinced me to sell it for 20e.
How do I know? I saw the same guy that offered me 20e for my MOX selling one a few days later. He had an easy to remember name. I was on a different character so I offered him 20e for it. Oh Boy was he insulted! He said add at least 80 more ectos to that and he would put me down as the 'C/O'. He also wasn't too pleased when I told him that he had offered ME 20e for mine just a few day earlier.
So in short, anyone saying offer is looking for a rube.
I might try something to just mess with them. Find someone looking for an offer on something like a dagger tang. Then offer them '10' just plane 10 no k behind it. When we go to trade put 10 gold in the window. 
The problem also works in reverse. I recently had two mini MOX for sale. I researched the price they were going for each time. First one I put up, WTS Mini MOX 80e. I ALWAYS indicate the price I want. At the time MOX was going for 70-90e.
I cannot tell you how many people PM'd me with I'll give you 20e, it's not worth that, I'll only give you X, or other such crap. It only took 30 minutes but I got my 80e. The people giving me a hard time are the same ones that sell things for 'offer'. They are power traders and would have done that with my MOX if they could have convinced me to sell it for 20e.
How do I know? I saw the same guy that offered me 20e for my MOX selling one a few days later. He had an easy to remember name. I was on a different character so I offered him 20e for it. Oh Boy was he insulted! He said add at least 80 more ectos to that and he would put me down as the 'C/O'. He also wasn't too pleased when I told him that he had offered ME 20e for mine just a few day earlier.
So in short, anyone saying offer is looking for a rube.
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Originally Posted by instanceskiller
...they just say they don't know how much the item is worth. ...Best thing to do when they do this will probably be to annoy them by offering 1g or ignore them.
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Fay Vert
Just ignore all the trade that ask for offers. If there isn't a price then it isn't for sale. As for those that say they don't know the price, BS, there are so many sites that will tell you. Let them all rot in spamadan wondering why they can't sell anything.
(Datura)
everyone who says offer, offer, offer, when selling an item has a nasty mullet.
mrmango
Some people rage too easily.
Wish Swiftdeath
I don't mind responding to 'offer' since I will lowball, what I hate are the idiots that rage and call you a noob if they don't like it.
It is YOUR fault, you asked me to offer so I gave a safe estimate, if you want a higher price - counter offer, not throw a hissy fit and refuse to sell the item.
I've run into a number of douchebags like this in Kamadan. I tend to keep at least a stack of ecto's whenever possible which isn't a huge amount but chances are I can buy your stupid item if you're willing to not be a twat.
Sorry for the rant but these people really annoy me.
It is YOUR fault, you asked me to offer so I gave a safe estimate, if you want a higher price - counter offer, not throw a hissy fit and refuse to sell the item.
I've run into a number of douchebags like this in Kamadan. I tend to keep at least a stack of ecto's whenever possible which isn't a huge amount but chances are I can buy your stupid item if you're willing to not be a twat.
Sorry for the rant but these people really annoy me.
demmi
i just got guild wars and have no clue how to play , i bought it years ago actually but just started playing again. anyways, this topic stuck out because of some korean games i played before.
basically someone says "Selling > x item pst offer no noob ". something like that. say you offer like 100g they say "man no, noob offer" or something another. Basically, some people just play the market. alot of peoplei met that do "offer only" are foreign. Im english and have gotten used to it in the korean markets and brazillian markets and unfortunately there is no "buyout" in that style of gameplay.
its a different style of selling that they do where they just keep selling it waiting on the highest offer. people that do this usually, you wont get the item quick if you want it. they will keep selling it for weeks on end sometimes.
personally not a fan of this.
basically someone says "Selling > x item pst offer no noob ". something like that. say you offer like 100g they say "man no, noob offer" or something another. Basically, some people just play the market. alot of peoplei met that do "offer only" are foreign. Im english and have gotten used to it in the korean markets and brazillian markets and unfortunately there is no "buyout" in that style of gameplay.
its a different style of selling that they do where they just keep selling it waiting on the highest offer. people that do this usually, you wont get the item quick if you want it. they will keep selling it for weeks on end sometimes.
personally not a fan of this.
Sword of the Kings
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Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn
ya its freakin annoying, stop doing it if you're reading this and you currently do it
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I always ask for offers and my main reason is to tell whether the person actually WANTS to buy what I'm selling. As I'm sure you know there are tons of people that will try to buy your items for 1/10 the price and resell (powertraders). So, for example if I say "Offer?" and the reply I get is "Noty", "I don't offer", or something like that, I assume they don't really want to buy it. In that case they're just curious of price, trying to powertrade me, or only want it if I'm not smart enough to know it's real value. On the other hand, someone who actually wants to buy what I'm selling will give a fairly reasonable offer.
It really saves a lot of time and stress when you know right away someone doesn't really want to buy your item, you can just walk away. On the other hand, you could give them a price and they start negotiating with you like they want to buy it... and then they end up not wanting to pay anywhere near the actual price.
But there are also many more reasons why the majority of people ask for offers, yes. Trying to get the most money out of the item is a big one.
Nekodesu
I say offer when I don't know the real price 
Haha!
Haha!
TheRaven
Yeah, the "offer" sellers are annoying to me as well. Basically if you don't put a price in your initial "WTS" message then i never bother to pm the person. Usually it's just "offer" and if you don't offer what he has in mind, you get flamed.
I don't need the hassle. I'd rather just buy off an auction site like guru or gwauctions.
I don't need the hassle. I'd rather just buy off an auction site like guru or gwauctions.
Swingline
Its really only for the high-end stuff. Usually its the power traders who do this to make the maximum amount of profit off the items they bought for much lower off of other guild wars players. Dont get me wrong this is not a bad thing at all. It can get you great deals if you know how to play the market. Today I asked for the price on a q9 20/20 water froggy and of course the buyer said, "offer". Now any player who has spent a decent amount of time playing the market knows to offer less of what the item is really worth. I pretty much got a q9 20/20 froggy for 10e with no effort. Yea its water but still a froggy worth 20e
Mcsnake85
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Originally Posted by Nekodesu
I say offer when I don't know the real price
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Here the "offer" is the best way to set a price...when the seller like the offer that buyer give,then you can set the price and if you find a similar item you know how much it worth.
JONO51
when people say offer, i lowball as much as possible. either the people are gonna string you and aren't worth your time, or you'll get a nice deal because they actually don't know the price. I never say offer though unless its high end stuff, as generally i know the prices and if i don't theres the wonderful people in the pc forum :P
Bassma
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Originally Posted by Liquidus
I buy a lot of stuff at Kamadan and almost every seller says "offer" when I ask for a price. The seller should be setting the price and letting it go from there. Asking for offers just wastes time because I have no reason not to lowball them.
I know that they have a price in mind because after they reject my initial offer they'll tell me what they actually want. Do they think that by asking for offers, they'll get a crazy high offer one day? |
King_GhOsT
the second I see "offer". close chat and move on...... I don't play games like this with people
Wyndy
There is a cultural aspect to consider here. I, too dislike haggling, but I am from a place where it isn't the norm. Many parts of the world ONLY haggle for goods. To not do so would be considered rude. Haggle is a word, right?
Archangel.Arcanis
I don't have the time to waste so I ask for offers and if it is reasonable I sell it. By reasonable is that it is more than I can get from a merchant or worth not putting it on a hero. I never even knew there were sites like this that had values of some of the items until recently. Over the years I've probably sold thousands of plat worth of items to merchants just to get rid of it.
Fay Vert
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Originally Posted by Sword of the Kings
I always ask for offers and my main reason is to tell whether the person actually WANTS to buy what I'm selling.
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Sword of the Kings
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I know how annoying that is but I use a different technique. I advertise the price I want and then when they put that money in the trade window I can tell they want it! You should try it sometime, it really does work
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Ghull Ka
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Originally Posted by Sword of the Kings
No one ever pays the price you're advertising... and everyone will just low-ball or say something like "That's more than it's worth, I'll give you this much" ... it does not work.
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People pay the asking price of things I try to sell more often than they haggle. Sure, if someone wants to try to bring my price down, they're free to do so, and may succeed. But usually it's just "hey i'll buy that" followed by my exact asking price in a trade window.
Note: Trying to sell anything in this game is accepting an initial investment of time lost via "sitting in town and saying WTS for minutes on end". Therefore, the times that I'm willing to squander my life sitting in kama trying to sell something are few and far between.
At those times, my goal is to sell, and then to GTFO... this is made possible by advertising a set price for my goods. Playing a silly "lol, offer" game with potential buyers lenghtens the time I spend HATING the player-to-player economy in this game and shortens the time I spend playing it and having fun.
Three cheers for GW2's auction house. Thy coming elates the masses.
M'Aiq The Liar
I just say offer because Guru's price check forums are unreliable, there isn't a good auction system in place to base pricing off of, and when you ask for a price check, you either get ignored or shit lowball offers from power traders.
Elephantaliste
in GW, they are no convinient sale system
Selling is generally time consuming, and it is time you could use to get quests rewards, zaishen keys, etc...
buying is same.
in your WTS/WTB : give the more information, your expected price or the price you want the other to counter offer, to avoid useless interaction and prefilter offers that won't fit.
don't bother with wts/wtb whose prices are missing...
Selling is generally time consuming, and it is time you could use to get quests rewards, zaishen keys, etc...
buying is same.
in your WTS/WTB : give the more information, your expected price or the price you want the other to counter offer, to avoid useless interaction and prefilter offers that won't fit.
don't bother with wts/wtb whose prices are missing...
Fay Vert
I find this site very useful for what current prices people are looking to buy/sell
http://argos.soft.free.fr/GwEstimator/
http://argos.soft.free.fr/GwEstimator/
Quaker
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Originally Posted by Liquidus
I buy a lot of stuff at Kamadan and almost every seller says "offer" when I ask for a price. The seller should be setting the price and letting it go from there. Asking for offers just wastes time because I have no reason not to lowball them.
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Many of them are just regular players who have one or two things to sell. These people don't necessarily know the value of what they are selling other than some idea they got off some price check, and one way to find out what people really pay for something is to ask for an offer.
Also, any of the sellers may be replying to several buyers at once, so the request for an offer could be sort of an auction.
In other words, there can be many reasons for it. Getting your knickers in a knot over it and giving some sort of reply like "1g" helps no one. If you really want to make the whole process go smoother, just give a fair and honest offer, without worrying about trying to low-ball everything, or don't reply at all.
jimbo32
I'm sure that's true for some people, Quaker. But I've done *a lot* of in-game trading, and for the most part, it seems like it's the "gtfo noob" idiots asking for offers - at least on common, fairly low-end stuff (say, less than 50k). In my opinion, it's usually not worth the hassle to bother with them beyond an initial inquiry of the price they might have in mind. My response to "offer" is usually something like "No thanks. Let me know if you decide on a price".
(And it's nice to see another GW'er from NS
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(And it's nice to see another GW'er from NS
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|pyro|
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Originally Posted by Liquidus
Do they think that by asking for offers, they'll get a crazy high offer one day?
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once I sold my req. 12 Elemental sword for 100k and them bought a req 9. for 20k :P
King_GhOsT
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Originally Posted by jimbo32
I'm sure that's true for some people, Quaker. But I've done *a lot* of in-game trading, and for the most part, it seems like it's the "gtfo noob" idiots asking for offers - at least on common, fairly low-end stuff (say, less than 50k). In my opinion, it's usually not worth the hassle to bother with them beyond an initial inquiry of the price they might have in mind. My response to "offer" is usually something like "No thanks. Let me know if you decide on a price".
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aelesia
Depending on the item that I'm selling, I may or may not ask them to offer. If it's something stable like materials or hero armor upgrades, I will just tell them my price straight away. If it's something more variable like a minipet, I will ask them to offer first. A few times I end up several thousand richer because they offer a higher price than what I'm really looking for.
Also I will pretty much always ask people for the price they are selling an item for. Often I see people with a generic title such as "Selling Minipets", and there's quite a good chance that they are noobs who returned to GW after many many years, especially if they aren't level 20. I usually ask these people how much they are selling it for, and from time to time I get incredibly crazy bargains, like 2k for a Year 4 pet and 5k for an Elf.
Also I will pretty much always ask people for the price they are selling an item for. Often I see people with a generic title such as "Selling Minipets", and there's quite a good chance that they are noobs who returned to GW after many many years, especially if they aren't level 20. I usually ask these people how much they are selling it for, and from time to time I get incredibly crazy bargains, like 2k for a Year 4 pet and 5k for an Elf.
the Puppeteer
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I find this site very useful for what current prices people are looking to buy/sell
http://argos.soft.free.fr/GwEstimator/ |
Tommy's
Just to speak for myself here: I most of the time say offer because I don't care too much anymore about ingame money. Most of the times I go with what the person offers me, if its not a rediculous price, simply because I don't want to bargain for every little platinum or ecto. So I just say hell give me what you feel like giving me, and most of the time they get it for that price. So not everyone is trying to get an outrageous offer..
dancing gnome
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Originally Posted by Liquidus
I have no reason not to lowball them.
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The simple reality is any MMO should have an auction house or market place. Something vastly superior to what GW has. It's one of the biggest glaring flaws in GW1.
Rehnahvah Gahro
If I sell something I always include my price. In my opinion it assures a quick and transparent sell. If I want to sell asap I am happy to bargain a bit and take 10% off the price.
In the rare case I buy something or actively looking for something I will almost always ignore "PM offer"-sellers because in 99% of the time those people are re-sellers that will ask for more than the item is worth.
Most importantly it will create less spam from buyers. Everyone knows my price-baseline and will not think that I don't know the market.
Of course there is always one guy who writes:
"xxK? lol..."
followed by
"I give you xK for it"
Keep your patience, always know your prices and everything will be good.
And I agree that GW has a terrible trading system, in fact it doesn't exist. Most of my playtime is occupied by trying to get rid of things for a reasonable price.
Imagine how many districts Kamadan would have if there was an auction house. And how many hundreds of hours could have been spent actually playing the game instead of "WTS Durrrrrrhurrrhrrr"
In the rare case I buy something or actively looking for something I will almost always ignore "PM offer"-sellers because in 99% of the time those people are re-sellers that will ask for more than the item is worth.
Most importantly it will create less spam from buyers. Everyone knows my price-baseline and will not think that I don't know the market.
Of course there is always one guy who writes:
"xxK? lol..."
followed by
"I give you xK for it"
Keep your patience, always know your prices and everything will be good.
And I agree that GW has a terrible trading system, in fact it doesn't exist. Most of my playtime is occupied by trying to get rid of things for a reasonable price.
Imagine how many districts Kamadan would have if there was an auction house. And how many hundreds of hours could have been spent actually playing the game instead of "WTS Durrrrrrhurrrhrrr"
Gabs88
Because buyers in GW tend not to know prices but want items. Sometimes saying offer nets you a LARGE additional chunk of cash.
And sometimes they just dont know, if they say offer you can allways try lowballing them with 5k on a 500k item. Sometimes it works
And sometimes they just dont know, if they say offer you can allways try lowballing them with 5k on a 500k item. Sometimes it works
Bassma
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Originally Posted by dancing gnome
You want to make a purchase and can't be bothered looking for someone else? Time is money and buyers who value time with pay more.The simple reality is any MMO should have an auction house or market place. Something vastly superior to what GW has. It's one of the biggest glaring flaws in GW1.
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Angel Killuminati
They say "offer" in case you say a crazy high bid. I thought this was obvious? Next question.