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Jimmyjam

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2011

Finding it Really Easy [FIRE]

E/

16 Feb 2011 at 02:21 - 361

I for one am really excited about the dervish rework. Theyve been needing it for a while. I have to agree with peoples concerns for already tough-to-deal-wth derv mobs/bosses becoming practically a garunteed instawipe, and the concern that the derv H/H may not be able to use the general builds particularly well due to the added requirement of timing for what seems to be most skills. But in general I think this is gonna be great, and as far as the H/H thing goes (heros at least) there have always been builds that heros just dont use well, and some that heros make abuseable.

With the addition of adrenaline to the dervs, I can imagine P/D Scythe Paras coming into the fray now; with 80 armour and their adrenaline pump skills, could be interesting. Saying that though, it seems to be that W/D Scythe Warriors will be more viable, freeing up their elite slot. Could well destroy crit scythes though, depending on whether mystic sweep/eremites attack gets changed.

Also this mysticism change just sounds like expertise but limited to derv enchants. Granted its still leaps and bounds better than its current function... but still doesnt make me as excited about playing my derv as the rest of the update preview does

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

16 Feb 2011 at 05:21 - 362

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

I think the most imbalanced builds (and they will exist) will come not from stuff people are discussing now, but from the stuff people aren't discussing. Unseen/forgotten synergies.

Truth. The things that people who haven't tested them for themselves point out and shout "Unbalanced!" are going to be the things that the balancers know they have to be careful with. Nobody foresaw that someone might deliberately reduce their hit points and abuse Protective Spirit to become practically invulnerable to anything that lacks enchantment removal until it happened, though...

HigherMinion

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

N/

16 Feb 2011 at 09:08 - 363

I believe mesmer are still best at using a scythe. Me/D PI scythe will live on!

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

16 Feb 2011 at 14:58 - 364

600 Derv + a Mo/R Smiter with Serpent's quickness for Spell Breaker recharge, Pestilence and EoE. It looks to me from the skill descriptions on the Update preview page that the Derv will be an exceedingly good 600.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

16 Feb 2011 at 15:35 - 365

Dibs on Aura Slice for A/D's.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

16 Feb 2011 at 15:50 - 366

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Dibs on Aura Slice for A/D's.

It's linked to Mysticism. Best you'll get is a second of cracked armor...

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

R/

16 Feb 2011 at 19:47 - 367

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuilan

You must not have ever played a mesmer before the mesmer update.

Course not, they sucked ass in PvE.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

16 Feb 2011 at 21:49 - 368

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphy

Course not, they sucked ass in PvE.

Again the memser hate shines its ugly head

They where fine in PVE before the skill changes infact before the PVE skills etc.. You just needed to know what worked against what foe and tweak builds in advance for every single situation. People seemed not to grasp this in PVE. Unfortunately they try to gauge a mesmers team value on DMG per second rather then stopping skills and enchantments and shutting down healers.

No one cares about how you do the game its all about how fast you can do it.

T-Strudel

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2010

Gate of the Nightfallen Lands

Above Pop Secret [PoPS]

E/A

16 Feb 2011 at 22:10 - 369

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

I think the most imbalanced builds (and they will exist) will come not from stuff people are discussing now, but from the stuff people aren't discussing.

It's got myself pondering on running a Terra Tank to ball up mobs, and 2 Avatar of Balthazar Dervs on each side spamming Farmer's Scythe (Depending if Farmer's Scythe stays close to what it is now) and Whirlwind Attack, while dropping an occasional Bathazar's Rage.

JSX

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2011

Canada !

16 Feb 2011 at 22:13 - 370

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

It's linked to Mysticism. Best you'll get is a second of cracked armor...

lol fragway ...

instanceskiller

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Myst

A/

16 Feb 2011 at 22:17 - 371

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painbringer

Again the memser hate shines its ugly head

They where fine in PVE before the skill changes infact before the PVE skills etc.. You just needed to know what worked against what foe and tweak builds in advance for every single situation. People seemed not to grasp this in PVE. Unfortunately they try to gauge a mesmers team value on DMG per second rather then stopping skills and enchantments and shutting down healers.

No one cares about how you do the game its all about how fast you can do it.

Well, Killing is the best way of "stopping skills and enchantments and shutting down healers". This seemed to be the main point of the mesmer; to shut down monsters, and in this respect most other classes before the mesmer update seemed better at doing so than the mesmer because they could kill faster, so I don't think they were all that fine in pve before the skill changes.

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

16 Feb 2011 at 23:29 - 372

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

600 Derv + a Mo/R Smiter with Serpent's quickness for Spell Breaker recharge, Pestilence and EoE. It looks to me from the skill descriptions on the Update preview page that the Derv will be an exceedingly good 600.

how so? .

Mexay

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Australia

If You Build It They Will Come [ekoc]

D/A

17 Feb 2011 at 06:17 - 373

...so I can get into UW with my derv now?

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

E/

17 Feb 2011 at 07:43 - 374

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphy

Course not, they sucked ass in PvE.

QFT..i tried once when i started playing and for a new player....was simply unusable. Not efficiently at least. Now i'm enjoying so much my new mez...

I believe that some rework change the popularity of profs. Some times ago, you an hardly see more than 5 Rits once, even less Mez. After the respective buffs, you can't move without see dozen of them...only Sins and Wars are so numerous. So seems obvious that they decided to buff dervs...

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

17 Feb 2011 at 11:02 - 375

im looking forward to the derv update, i never really liked the old enchantment mechnics and e management.

mesmer and rit where ok before the update, but where pretty much a poor mans necro/ele/monk/other in terms off effecieny

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

17 Feb 2011 at 11:34 - 376

just read a couple of pages back

personaly i like a class to be best at what its supposed to be, so a derv should be the best option for using a sythe.

id also love a half range/full range duel attack for assassins

DiogoSilva

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2011

Girl

E/

17 Feb 2011 at 14:08 - 377

Code 13 all over RA now. Can that mean that an update is coming?

saint666

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

LOL

A/

17 Feb 2011 at 14:23 - 378

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingu666

just read a couple of pages back

personaly i like a class to be best at what its supposed to be, so a derv should be the best option for using a sythe.

id also love a half range/full range duel attack for assassins

If u mean by being the best with skills relating to scythes, then i agree, it seems like what they are trying to do with the update. Dervishes were never meant to win in an auto swinging battle.

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

17 Feb 2011 at 14:29 - 379

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mexay

...so I can get into UW with my derv now?

There's some guilds out there that are open to dervish with YUMway or physway set ups. Spirit spamming and I don't know if those dervish solo builds on PvX work (they often don't).

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

17 Feb 2011 at 16:42 - 380

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

how so? .

because you will be able to do tons of aoe damage by removing derv enchantments and not the monk enchantments. the extra health means that you don't need to bring vital blessing either.

Erik Fox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Texas

17 Feb 2011 at 18:41 - 381

I play my dervish on and off, and I must say this update certainly looks interesting.

saume

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

bear

W/

17 Feb 2011 at 19:06 - 382

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

How did this thread get to thirty-two posts without someone pointing out that the game now has an interrupt with a casting time of zero?

Enjoy getting your Infuse interrupted.

its a point blank skill aint it?

X Dr Pepper X

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

17 Feb 2011 at 22:35 - 383

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

How did this thread get to thirty-two posts without someone pointing out that the game now has an interrupt with a casting time of zero?

Enjoy getting your Infuse interrupted.

Hi.

PvP/PvE split.

Problem solved.

Bye.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

17 Feb 2011 at 22:42 - 384

When is this likely to go live? Any hints?

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

17 Feb 2011 at 22:46 - 385

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

When is this likely to go live? Any hints?

Hint: Soon.

Probably in next 2 weeks or sooner. who knows. who cares

Dark-NighT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Stygian Veil

Shoop Da Woop [Lolz]

N/Mo

17 Feb 2011 at 22:51 - 386

Id love to see it go online tonight, but i wil settle for this month

Xiaquin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2010

[aRIN]

R/

17 Feb 2011 at 23:10 - 387

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

Hint: Soon.

Probably in next 2 weeks or sooner. who knows. who cares

The sooner it's out, the sooner other projects can be focused on, like the feature build.