Currently Kamadan is the biggest trade hub for players to buy and sell items between other players, but is this about to change?
With Embark Beach about to go live, this is most likely to become the new trading hub, and people will start to mitigate and move their power trades to here instead. What do you think, good or bad, and will it take over the role as trade city from Kamadan?
Embark Beach - Will it be the new trade hub?
Bristlebane
distilledwill
I sincerly hope not, and I expect not also. Kamadan can just as easily stay as the place to trade, and EB can be the place to quest. Its not like people idled time away in Kamadan looking for parties for quests anyway, so I don't think it will draw a huge number of people away from the city.
m0r1arty
I'd probably use Embark beach to bypass having to go to Kamadan in the first place.
Need to be somewhere with a mission in Elona? - hit Embark beach, it's quicker to load.
-m0r
Need to be somewhere with a mission in Elona? - hit Embark beach, it's quicker to load.
-m0r
Bristlebane
I will certainly do a few trades in Embark Beach during idle times, while looking for missions or other things to do.
TheGizzy
I think that "if" one is able to list trades in EB, there's a significant chance it may become the new trading hub.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though.
I can see where it could potentially draw people who are primarily solo players (such as myself) into joining a PuG... you go to EB to sell something, see a few other people looking to do the same mission you were planning on doing shortly, decide to toss your hat in and see what happens.
By the same token, I think it could become very overwhelming... if a significant portion of the GW population is hanging out in EB and already spamming LFGs, how easily will WTBs/WTSs get lost in the midst of that? Or conversely, how easily with LFGs get lost amidst hundreds of WTBs/WTSs?
I think it is really going to depend on if EB also carries with it a new mechanism by which people find their PuGs, and I'm not real clear on how that's going to be set up. If it is identical to the existing options (party window/trade chat with LFGs), I see EB in general being a lot less enjoyable and potentially even HARDER to find people to party up with, let alone find the item(s) you want to buy/sell.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though.
I can see where it could potentially draw people who are primarily solo players (such as myself) into joining a PuG... you go to EB to sell something, see a few other people looking to do the same mission you were planning on doing shortly, decide to toss your hat in and see what happens.
By the same token, I think it could become very overwhelming... if a significant portion of the GW population is hanging out in EB and already spamming LFGs, how easily will WTBs/WTSs get lost in the midst of that? Or conversely, how easily with LFGs get lost amidst hundreds of WTBs/WTSs?
I think it is really going to depend on if EB also carries with it a new mechanism by which people find their PuGs, and I'm not real clear on how that's going to be set up. If it is identical to the existing options (party window/trade chat with LFGs), I see EB in general being a lot less enjoyable and potentially even HARDER to find people to party up with, let alone find the item(s) you want to buy/sell.
Bristlebane
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Originally Posted by TheGizzy
..., how easily will WTBs/WTSs get lost in the midst of that? Or conversely, how easily with LFGs get lost amidst hundreds of WTBs/WTSs?
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In anyway I'm sure that All Chat will be the majorly used by Quests/Missions/Hunting/ZB/ZM etc, while trades stay in Trade Chat. Anyone trying to trade outside the trade chat will get a lot of angry remarks or even /reports, so better just stick to the right channels.
Pleikki
If u can Trade there. Im quite sure ppl will trade there
aspi
Dont mind the trade hub at all, nice to have more than one lace to look for things
Matirion Maeronta
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Dont mind the trade hub at all, nice to have more than one lace to look for things
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It would be the same as now, just with beach being the hub instead of kamadan and kamadan will be a near empty (in comparison) place with some traders like LA is now. Potentially LA will go extinct completely...
Bristlebane
But the good thing is that Kamadan will once again be a city and not a trade spam hub 
Interesting enough, Embark Beach will be most likely in same location as the (presumed) abandoned area for Xunlai Market which was most likely intended to gather traders in one centrally located area away from the cities.
Interesting enough, Embark Beach will be most likely in same location as the (presumed) abandoned area for Xunlai Market which was most likely intended to gather traders in one centrally located area away from the cities.
Bright Star Shine
Well, if it becomes a trade hub, we can have american districts for trading and internationals for question, if it really bothers you, there, problem solved. Only problem will be, establishing that int should be questing spot from the start.
Rushin Roulette
I predict that EB will become the new trade hub. There are many reasons for this actually. The only reason why Kamadan is currently the trade hub is because it is easy to reach and it is the newest port town.
Embark beach will probably also get a port, or if not, then it is easy to reach from the GH and from GtoB. Plus it does not have the annoying 4 player per group restriction that Kamadan has (zone into Kamadan with 3 Heroes and try trading...). The other advantage of EB over any other outpost in the whole game apart from GtoB is that you can access it no matter which game you have on your account. If you dont have Nightfall, then you were not able to trade in Kamadan.
Embark beach will probably also get a port, or if not, then it is easy to reach from the GH and from GtoB. Plus it does not have the annoying 4 player per group restriction that Kamadan has (zone into Kamadan with 3 Heroes and try trading...). The other advantage of EB over any other outpost in the whole game apart from GtoB is that you can access it no matter which game you have on your account. If you dont have Nightfall, then you were not able to trade in Kamadan.
AndrewSX
Imo Anet will not enable the trade chat in EB.
1-Think what would be Kama+LA+GtoB+KC....nicghtmare
2-There will be enough caos with the LFG/GLF x every mission/area in gw....
1-Think what would be Kama+LA+GtoB+KC....nicghtmare
2-There will be enough caos with the LFG/GLF x every mission/area in gw....
Bristlebane
Just encourage everyone to stick trades to trade channels and it should all work out well 
Then rest can just filter out trades easily if they don't want to see it.
Then rest can just filter out trades easily if they don't want to see it.
SongOf
IF it's immediately accessible to Lvl 1 characters from Prophecies/Factions/Nightfall, it should, and I *hope* it becomes the new major hub.
Kamadan being the main trade hub never made sense as it excluded people who don't own Nightfall. I always thought Great Temple of Balthazar made more sense, but it became the hub for PvP only chars / Zaishen related challenges, which is fine.
GW has way too many locations atm- condensing [PvE] player mass is a good idea in general. If people are getting together for farming/challenges/missions, for convenience make it the same place they sell all those items they just got.
Kamadan being the main trade hub never made sense as it excluded people who don't own Nightfall. I always thought Great Temple of Balthazar made more sense, but it became the hub for PvP only chars / Zaishen related challenges, which is fine.
GW has way too many locations atm- condensing [PvE] player mass is a good idea in general. If people are getting together for farming/challenges/missions, for convenience make it the same place they sell all those items they just got.
Matirion Maeronta
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IF it's immediately accessible to Lvl 1 characters from Prophecies/Factions/Nightfall, it should, and I *hope* it becomes the new major hub.
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Bristlebane
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Originally Posted by Matirion Maeronta
Lvl 1 characters from prophecies tend to be stuck in pre, it would be a bad thing if it was accessible for them (item smuggling to pre... again...), but the other characters should have instant access.
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MithranArkanere
People will probably go there, and traders go where people go.
Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by Matirion Maeronta
Lvl 1 characters from prophecies tend to be stuck in pre, it would be a bad thing if it was accessible for them (item smuggling to pre... again...), but the other characters should have instant access.
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Iuris
Personally, I hope it DOES become the new trade hub and that it's policed enough that pwople will stick to the proper channels. Ideal solution.
Only problem is it could overwhelm the party search interface, which could use a separate trade and LFG section, well policed.
Only problem is it could overwhelm the party search interface, which could use a separate trade and LFG section, well policed.
chessyang
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Originally Posted by AndrewSX
Imo Anet will not enable the trade chat in EB
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In short to the OP.. Yes it's the "Spam Beach" <-- calling it now. 4 the lolz
posted this on another thread. read if you care. the reason they should update/fix the party window.
TideSwayer
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In short to the OP.. Yes it's the "Spam Beach" <-- calling it now. 4 the lolz
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I don't see why trade would be prohibited there, to be honest. ANet will want to see this get as many people there as possible so this outpost catches on in popularity almost instantaneously (and stays that way). Forbidding trade is a big chink in that armor from the get-go, IMO.
I do think ANet won't have a lot of patience with chat spammers early on to make sure the outpost doesn't become a mad house. If trade is allowed, I'd be sure and use the trade channel for it.
Skyy High
I hope it becomes a trade hub. That'll make it easier to sell some stuff in storage while waiting for a PUG to form.
Timey
I would rather it didn't become the new trade hub. Its purpose is supposed to be for forming parties, having that plus basically kamadan in one party search wil be crazy. Yeah if people would stick to trade chat it might be ok but what are the chances of that xD
Kojima
I believe the move will happen. And it will become a center for trading. And like many said, hopefully will be well policed enough that traders will stick to the right channels.
I cannot wait though to see it unfold. At least something exciting is happening.
I cannot wait though to see it unfold. At least something exciting is happening.
ChrisTheodosius
Another way to control the trade/spam would be to introduce an auction house. But since its being implemented into Gw2 i dont know if they'd add one to Gw1
Grj
They best increase the number of people that can be present in a district.
This is going to be a complete fail otherwise when a player is trying to get into a active district to group only to be met by this district is full. Ya quarter/half full of trade spammers and afk'ers.
This is going to be a complete fail otherwise when a player is trying to get into a active district to group only to be met by this district is full. Ya quarter/half full of trade spammers and afk'ers.
Rushin Roulette
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They best increase the number of people that can be present in a district.
This is going to be a complete fail otherwise when a player is trying to get into a active district to group only to be met by this district is full. Ya quarter/half full of trade spammers and afk'ers. |
Cluebag
Maybe I'm just an asshole, but I am definitely not looking forward to the guild recruitment spam. That crap irritates me more than the trade spammers. At least we can turn the trade channel off. Maybe the recruitment spammers will get their own turn-off-able channel, as not to pollute the airwaves with their annoying garbage.
Vallen
I hope they dont enable chat in EB, leave it to the search windows or the chat lag and spam will be insane
gremlin
They already said that embark beach will be the one stop place for people wanting to form parties or to set up your hero parties and do the same.
Since people will be heading out then presumably returning to eb with goodies they have gathered I assume they will start selling there too.
Certainly items and resources that are needed or desired for missions will be traded in eb.
I doubt farmers will go from eb to the farming area then off to la kamadan etc top sell then back again.
Those offering runs will probably advertise in eb too its sure to become one busy place.
Should find out in a couple of hours.
Since people will be heading out then presumably returning to eb with goodies they have gathered I assume they will start selling there too.
Certainly items and resources that are needed or desired for missions will be traded in eb.
I doubt farmers will go from eb to the farming area then off to la kamadan etc top sell then back again.
Those offering runs will probably advertise in eb too its sure to become one busy place.
Should find out in a couple of hours.
Urcscumug
I believe I already mentioned this a couple of times. It's quite easy to make the trade interface better:
1) Add a case insensitive quicksearch field to the party window. You put in "zkey" or "wtb", it only shows ads that have "zkey" or "WTB" in them.
2) Show the entire ad text as a tooltip when you hover over an entry. Currently it's truncated so it's almost useless, you have to either contact the person or wait for them to spam again.
3) Once you have 1+2 there's no use for trade channel spam anymore. So take it up a notch and add spam caps. If you spam more than N messages in T minutes you are muted for X minutes. Extra spam during the mute extends it further. Just sit pretty and wait for the buyers to find you.
4) Make it so you can start a whisper with the person directly from the party window. That whole "join the party" has its uses when actually meeting for the trade, but sometimes you just wanna talk to them, bargain etc.
1) Add a case insensitive quicksearch field to the party window. You put in "zkey" or "wtb", it only shows ads that have "zkey" or "WTB" in them.
2) Show the entire ad text as a tooltip when you hover over an entry. Currently it's truncated so it's almost useless, you have to either contact the person or wait for them to spam again.
3) Once you have 1+2 there's no use for trade channel spam anymore. So take it up a notch and add spam caps. If you spam more than N messages in T minutes you are muted for X minutes. Extra spam during the mute extends it further. Just sit pretty and wait for the buyers to find you.
4) Make it so you can start a whisper with the person directly from the party window. That whole "join the party" has its uses when actually meeting for the trade, but sometimes you just wanna talk to them, bargain etc.
Norian
I vote for auction house...problem solved
LifeInfusion
I sure hope not. LA + Kamadan combined would be insane. GTOB is accessible by everyone and nobody trades anything there but z-keys so I doubt it will happen.
stretchs
I would like to see Embark have the Trade channel completely removed and they begin banning people for spamming All Chat with trade requests. If not this city will indeed be just a sales spam fest
Hobbs
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I would like to see Embark have the Trade channel completely removed and they begin banning people for spamming All Chat with trade requests. If not this city will indeed be just a sales spam fest
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Frankly, the more people who are at Embark Beach, the more likely you are to find a group. There will be people who go there to trade and end up joining a mission group and vice versa.
Spiritz
i got a feeling it may - consider this , not everyone has all campaigns so trade can be a problem for those with single campaigns.If embark is accessable by everyone then im sure it will become the trade hub of gw.Ive noticed myself la has really dropped in trade and kamadan has increased - dunno why tho.
Infact its more than a feeling when i think about it - embark will be the main outpost in gw for obvious reasons and likely players will be selling consets as you tend to sell consets where you know they will sell - toa/doa as examples.Therefore soon as a conset seller moves in , theory wise or lgoic dictates that rest will follow.
I see a bleak future for la/kamadan/ascalon and kaineng - the only real players there will be ones doing storyline/vq and a small amount of trade.
Infact its more than a feeling when i think about it - embark will be the main outpost in gw for obvious reasons and likely players will be selling consets as you tend to sell consets where you know they will sell - toa/doa as examples.Therefore soon as a conset seller moves in , theory wise or lgoic dictates that rest will follow.
I see a bleak future for la/kamadan/ascalon and kaineng - the only real players there will be ones doing storyline/vq and a small amount of trade.
MithranArkanere
Those that keep spamming in the All Chat should be indeed banned.
First 2..3 times they spam for a while in all trade, temporal bans.
Keep doing that, permanent one.
Of course there's always accidents. But no one posts 20 trade messages withing 15 minutes in the All Chat as an accident.
But I won't remove trading from the post. You can just ignore it. Collapse the trade section, hide the trade chat, and trade is no more. Or at least it should be.
First 2..3 times they spam for a while in all trade, temporal bans.
Keep doing that, permanent one.
Of course there's always accidents. But no one posts 20 trade messages withing 15 minutes in the All Chat as an accident.
But I won't remove trading from the post. You can just ignore it. Collapse the trade section, hide the trade chat, and trade is no more. Or at least it should be.
Kook~NBK~
I don't expect trading to be a problem. People have gotten much better about using the trade channel. Guild recruiting messages, on the other hand... UGH! Not that there are many recruiters spamming, but with the number of different recruiters, the chat channel is going to get crowded.
Dark-NighT
I really hope it doesnt become the new spamabeach for the sole reason that districs will be full of traders and an occasional LFG player that cant join the group in another dist because its full. EB is made for pugging, not standing around making the trade channel go 1000 miles an hour.