7 Hero Glint's

greenough

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

A/E

4 Mes's are good but 5 is better

Kiluna

Kiluna

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Finland

Mo/

Panic mes, inept mes, ST rit, SoS resto rit, 2xE/Me esurge and curses/resto necro scored me 21min AFK (ok, i wanted to see how it goes and was keeping EoE up).

AotL MM instead of one E/Me was alot smoother (0 near death situations, while without MM few heroes went to 20% several times), but stuff died slower because minions were keeping some mobs out of range. 24min AFK.

I was wondering as a Mo/X, what would add the most damage in? RoJ wont be that great because of burn immunity on destroyers, how would SigoJ+other smite signets with /Me and inscriptions mantra go? I don't know why i'm asking, i could go and try myself... :P

All heroes were set to aggressive.

zan the healer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2010

Mo/

i find using
discord (make them all n/rt and take rejuvenation as a 3rd spirit)
2 keystone spammers
st rit
ua healer
makes this very easy even in hard mode the first wave is the only wave that gives a problem for me

greenough

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

A/E

he wasn't afk as we said after that post, he was there recasting bonds the whole time.

loki1300

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

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he wasn't afk as we said after that post, he was there recasting bonds the whole time. you said he wasn't AFK, but he said right afterward that he was or did afk. Basically I'm confused to as what build Glints is possible to afk with if any because this sure isn't it.

Coney

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

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Worked for me now also


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I haven't had time to look into this in detail - interesting topic for sure! But, why do you run [splinter weapon], when you have no physicals? Shouldn't you use [painful bond] instead? Also, is the ineptitude build for the mesmers better than say, a panic build such as this one: OQBEAZMCPJRDIDcAK4kDknlBQEA (swap res for one of the last few skills)?

EDIT - I didn't realize AI will cast splinter on minions - but they attack so slow, will they actually get all 4/5 attacks off before they die (especially wimpy bone minions)?

greenough

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

A/E

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I haven't had time to look into this in detail - interesting topic for sure! But, why do you run [splinter weapon], when you have no physicals? Shouldn't you use [painful bond] instead? Also, is the ineptitude build for the mesmers better than say, a panic build such as this one: OQBEAZMCPJRDIDcAK4kDknlBQEA (swap res for one of the last few skills)?

EDIT - I didn't realize AI will cast splinter on minions - but they attack so slow, will they actually get all 4/5 attacks off before they die (especially wimpy bone minions)? hero's auto attack

also panic is useless in this situation when your main objective is damage. you can stop them from casting for 9 seconds, but they keep coming, if your not killing them and only stopping them from casting then they'll eventually over run you.

Chai N Chill

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

P/W

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I've switched things around a lot and found that a lot of builds work.

This first build will get you 20-22 minutes, you can change the Necro around to whatever you want as long as the first 2 skills stay the same, I've ran the build i posted above with it, this one, even a n/e with sandstorm and wards, pretty much any build will get the same time. i've used it to do over 25+ runs and only failed once.




This second one i'm currently testing, i didn't think it was doable without the minions but its actually faster, just replace the Necro with another Dom Mesmer, unsure of how stable it is though.



swapping out the second Dom for a keystone gave the same results, still want to try 4 Ineptitude, 4 Domination and 4 keystones to see how that goes, just haven't had time.



Picture of where to flag hero's



Edit: put on defensive set, or even just shield, every little bit helps, also make sure Mes's are set to aggressive.

Edit2: 2 Inept and 2 Keystones was same as above. Would you mind linking your builds for that?
Also what runes/insignias are you using on your heroes?

zweetreet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

balthazars legend force

R/Mo

i'd say add this :

Air of Sup + Ebs of wisdom --> quick recharge on mesmers --> = win

Voodoo Rage

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

R/

I've never tried Glints before and it actually ended up being a lot easier than I expected. Was kind of shocked to see the chest spawn.

I was running (just my normal PvE team, didn't put too much thought into it)

Me: Sos Rit

Panic Mesmer
Ineptitude Mesmer
Jagged Bones Necro with a Channeling Secondary (Splinter and Ancestor's Rage)
Pain of Disenchantment Necro with Restoration Secondary heals
Unyielding Aura Monk
SoGM Rit
Soul Twisting Rit (Shelter, Displacement, Union)

dejsav

dejsav

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Lupus et Agnus [LeA]

E/Rt

I've tried again a lot of time...

1st wave: easy with EoE
2nd wave: difficult...Destroyer of Compassion (Dervish) kick ass...this wave is random
3rd wave: easy
4th wave: not easy when spawns Destroyer of Compassion
5th wave: difficul if you don't kill immediatly Destroyers of Lives
6th wave: easy

I use greenough build

zweetreet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

balthazars legend force

R/Mo

getting 18 minute runs constantly..

3 mesmers aren't equiped..
all my heroes have crappy weapons..

all this by afk

http://img829.imageshack.us/i/gw001q.jpg/

EDIT:

3x E-surge
2x Inept
1x SoS splinter / resto
1x emo prot ( ofcourse )

SongOf

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

if you were AFK, how is EoE spirit in the middle of duration when you are the only party member with Ranger skills equipped?

dejsav

dejsav

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Lupus et Agnus [LeA]

E/Rt

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if you were AFK, how is EoE spirit in the middle of duration when you are the only party member with Ranger skills equipped? you need EoE only with the 1st wave

but you can't be afk during the 2nd wave...you need to target dervish destroyers

zweetreet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

balthazars legend force

R/Mo

just putting that up at the end..

have been staring @ my screen for +- 20 minutes.

might have triggered ward and EOE on bosses but that makes no different..

it's easy and everybody can do it..

the bonds are mainly as an extra enchantment for the e/mo so he gains more energy from ER.. ( yes he gets low sometimes because he can't keep ER up constantly --> and when there's a lot of dmg he will prot first and than use ER )

greenough

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

A/E

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just putting that up at the end..

have been staring @ my screen for +- 20 minutes.

might have triggered ward and EOE on bosses but that makes no different..

it's easy and everybody can do it..

the bonds are mainly as an extra enchantment for the e/mo so he gains more energy from ER.. ( yes he gets low sometimes because he can't keep ER up constantly --> and when there's a lot of dmg he will prot first and than use ER ) Don't Bs. you sat there and used your skill bar the whole time. theres no way you used the build i posted and ended with a score like that by only using a skill once, with unruned hero's and shit weapons. your the second person to say you afk'd when you didn't and for what? why bs people about a computer game on an online forum? it makes no sense.

a side note, read what eoe does. its not going to help you in the last wave.

Rob2686

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

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Don't Bs. you sat there and used your skill bar the whole time. theres no way you used the build i posted and ended with a score like that by only using a skill once, with unruned hero's and shit weapons. your the second person to say you afk'd when you didn't and for what? why bs people about a computer game on an online forum? it makes no sense.

a side note, read what eoe does. its not going to help you in the last wave. Registered just to verify this works.

I've mimicked these builds and have afked this at least 10 or 20 times. I don't have near the posted success rate though. I'd say it's 60-80% for me, granted my runes aren't complete.

I noticed I had way way better success after I runed the heroes (common sense I suppose)

Any tips for getting some good shields or (spears? is what people use?) I'm guessing like 5 energy 30 hp etc?

I'm a very poor player so this is a great way for me to make money. Are there rare items or skins I should be watching for?

greenough

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

A/E

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Registered just to verify this works.

I've mimicked these builds and have afked this at least 10 or 20 times. I don't have near the posted success rate though. I'd say it's 60-80% for me, granted my runes aren't complete.

I noticed I had way way better success after I runed the heroes (common sense I suppose)

Any tips for getting some good shields or (spears? is what people use?) I'm guessing like 5 energy 30 hp etc?

I'm a very poor player so this is a great way for me to make money. Are there rare items or skins I should be watching for?
you can get the "prayer of the forgotten" spear for 5k (book of secrets i think, can't remember) or just get a gold one to drop in nightfall or eotn and add a +5 energy to it.

SongOf

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

@Rob2686:

If you're really poor, there are MANY good collectors weapons. For 5 Cobalt Talons you can get a +5e spear.

As for collector shields, there are too many to go over, BUT the attribute doesn't matter for casters, so choose the collector asking for the item that is easiest to farm or that you already have. Many are inscribleable as well.

You have the option to craft Asuran Spears for 40 wood, 20 granite and 5k at Rata Sum. You'll still need a +5 energy inscription, but if one is selling it you can take a chance with those 'unid golds for 700ea' sellers (not recommended, although cheaper than lockpicks).

I think Asuran equipment are still the cheapest req9 AND inscribleable CRAFTABLE stuff available (very convenient).

Regarding weapon mods, because of the way GW calculates damage you typically want +armor rather than +HP, the exception being vs. degen and if you want to avoid specific party members from being targeted (AI likes to target lowest total health- part of why DP'ed heroes are doomed to die even more)

lightzors

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

The Acid Snakes [TAS]

Mo/

Hey there. So I have tried this setup. But I've ran it rezless.
Unfortunately I wasnt able to screen it right after I was done, but according to the score, it looks like a 19min run.


Edit: Afk the whole time, haven't used a single skill.

Edit2: I think it would be good to mention that 2 mesmers and Zhed were runeless and others had just random staves I have found round my storage. I think that the esurge/resto bar helped to ease the stress on my healers a bit.

Edit3: Current record 2122

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

W/

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Hey there. So I have tried this setup. But I've ran it rezless.
Unfortunately I wasnt able to screen it right after I was done, but according to the score, it looks like a 19min run.


Edit: Afk the whole time, haven't used a single skill. Well sir, that is awesome,
Now, does that work for people who dont have 5 mesmers?

lightzors

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

The Acid Snakes [TAS]

Mo/

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Well sir, that is awesome,
Now, does that work for people who dont have 5 mesmers? You should see the posts before, greenough shows there the setup for, I believe 3 mesmers. But I think a mes can be replaced with a necro of some sort.

Also, I just took greenough 5 mes setup and tweaked it a bit according to my needs. Just to give credit

The Divine Guardian

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

The Deadly Ninjas

A/

Hey guys, signed up just to post this.

I copied Lightzors builds exactly with the 5 mes, SoS and E/Mo and it worked perfectly... eventually.

Firstly, I tried solely the builds and default weapons of the heros with a lvl 18 norgu (just unlocked him), and AFK got raped in the first round.

Secondly, I tried with /bonus luminous scepter (+20% HCT and +5e) and serrated shield (-5/20% +30hp) on all of the mesmers. Xandra had default weps and E/Mo had high energy staff. And got Norgu to lvl 20. Once again got raped in the first round.

Third time lucky I took EoE on myself and cast it twice in the first round then AFK. Worked perfectly til the eles in 5th round decimated the party.

Fourth run, I runed up all the heros with minor vigor, survivor insignia on chest, and +1 dom rune on E surgers, Illusion on Ineptitudes, Restoration on Rit and left ele alone. Had to maintain EoE in the first round, and one mes died at the end of the 5th round. But all went smoothly and completed it.

Finally I put 3 +2 energy runes on all the mesmers because i noticed they were running out of energy despite the management in there. In this run I actually forgot to cast EoE but they dealt with the first round with ease. The rest of the run went fine and no one died. Time was 19 minutes completely AFK.

All in all I spent 35k on kitting out the heros but seems to be money well spent...

lightzors

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

The Acid Snakes [TAS]

Mo/

Hey, thanks for the feedback
As for EoE, if I take it, usually I drop it down round 1:25 and then go afk.

The Divine Guardian

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

The Deadly Ninjas

A/

Yeah, dont need it but it certainly speeds up the process
thanks for the builds and the others who helped.

Noxsus

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

N/

So I need some advice for this. I initially tried the three mesmers build posted earlier in the thread and struggled to get past the first wave, even with all the characters runed up.
Due to lack of 4th mesmer I drafted in Vekk to go Esurge and this seemed to work successfully, at least until the 5th wave where I invariably get utterly annihilated by the Destroyers of Lives.

Heres the current setup I'm using:


Apologies for the size, didn't realise it would load up that big.

The only thing I haven't done is upgraded the staffs (I'm using the bonus luminous ones for the mesmers) and the shields, mainly because I've already spent a fair amount of platinum on this and I'm beginning to quickly run out.
Could that be the difference maker?

It's quickly becoming more a matter of pride more than anything else.

Any tips?

And yes I know I still have Necro skills on my bar, I haven't been touching those in the instance though.
If you can give me any advice on here or in game (Dumarh Darkmoon) it would be much appreciated.

The Divine Guardian

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2011

The Deadly Ninjas

A/

Noxsus, I'd say drop the monk for another e surger. In this challenge more damage has higher priority over heals due to the speed of the spawns.

Remember to place your ineptitudes left and right and e surge in front.

Try running acolyte sousouke in stead of your monk and run this bar

OQhjAgCcoOnAT30Dny1kmTuhJA

I use 5 mes and i have no problem completing the run with runes and the weapons your using. I dont see why an ele alternative wouldnt work.

Good luck.

vader

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by lightzors View Post
Hey there. So I have tried this setup. But I've ran it rezless.
Unfortunately I wasnt able to screen it right after I was done, but according to the score, it looks like a 19min run.


Edit: Afk the whole time, haven't used a single skill.

Edit2: I think it would be good to mention that 2 mesmers and Zhed were runeless and others had just random staves I have found round my storage. I think that the esurge/resto bar helped to ease the stress on my healers a bit.

Edit3: Current record 2122 This build worked for me but I forgot that the final countdown timer starts immediately and not after opening the chest. Lost out on a Cloth of the Brotherhood. I'll have to time it next time.

Tried it a second and third time and my heroes ran down to the Destroyers even though they were flagged up on top by the baby.

Any way to keep them from doing that?

Plutoman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2010

E/

No way, really, you just need a team that can handle them running around. I flag them back from the edge a bit to keep some of it from happening, but they still do it at points frequently.

I solved my problem with vekk; I had to put the E/Mo on 'fight' so he'd actually go protect others. No idea why, but if he was on 'guard' or 'avoid' then he'd stand around doing nothing but maintaining aura, regardless if people were dying within his aggro bubble.

vader

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

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No way, really, you just need a team that can handle them running around. I flag them back from the edge a bit to keep some of it from happening, but they still do it at points frequently.

I solved my problem with vekk; I had to put the E/Mo on 'fight' so he'd actually go protect others. No idea why, but if he was on 'guard' or 'avoid' then he'd stand around doing nothing but maintaining aura, regardless if people were dying within his aggro bubble. If I put the Mesmers on guard, that seems to keep them closer but then there always seems to be one or two enemies that sit just far enough away to keep attacking us but we don't fight back.

I've also noticed we've been dying a lot on the first wave. The group getting spiked by 5+ Spirit Rifts puts us down fast. If I play about halfway through the first wave though, it doesn't seem to be a problem.

jack11728

jack11728

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

England

Mo/

I decided to try Glint's with the builds "greenough" posted, I added skill pestilence to speed up..

I suppose to drop EoE @ 1:30, But I thought it was 1:50

Watched the whole fight AFK, except chatting.




EoE drop



I don't understand the purpose of having splinter weapon. But it works.. Mesmer seems to die sometimes but no fails yet.

Splinter weapon seems to be cast on me all the time, perhaps for those melee who are NOT going afk may find themselves more reliable

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

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Splinter weapon seems to be cast on me all the time, perhaps for those melee who are NOT going afk may find themselves more reliable Don't equip a martial weapon.

Plutoman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2010

E/

Any weapon, if you don't equip any weapon then you don't a) get splinter cast on you - b) get chaos storm cast on you.

Whatway

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2011

WTB Q11-13 Str -2e/-2s Eternal Shields

A/Me

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Mesmer 1: OQhkAkB8QGO0LAC4KQeGKQGwy3FD
Mesmer 2: OQhkAkB8QGO0LAC4KQeGKQGwy3FD
Ele/Mesmer 3: OgVDI8gsKnw0b65QTgCZAtA
Ele/Mesmer 4: OgVDI8gsKnw0b65QTgCZAtA
Nec/Rit 5: OAhkUwG7BFWTVANUJiZghvQV9iB
Rit 6: OACjEyiM5MXzyp3kZixkmTuLGA
Mo/me 7: OwUTMsGD3BuuR6iXkpfcb5zQAA

I put on survivor runes and runes of vitae, but not on every single piece and yeah not all of them have shields or so

Done it a few times now between 19-21 minutes afk if some foes get stuck you can put on an extra minute, but i always try to get put my watch to 15min and come and check the last few minutes.
Just threw this together to try it out. Using those exact templates, little to no runes or hero weapons, and having never done this before it worked beautifully. Wasn't fully afk, but the most I did was drop EoE during waves 1-2 and occasional vanguard assassin support when someone got too close. All in all, probably used my skills < 10 times.

With runes and proper gear, I see no reason why I can't fully afk this.

Snorph

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Riverside,Ca

Kings Of Heaven And Earth

E/Me

Awesome build btw, I of course, I wasn't AFK. However the first 2 mes. The Rit SOS, and the Panic Mes and the Inpetude Mes. First 2 wave's. Place SOS Rit below the baby dragon, not where the dragon but right down the hill. The Panic mes left side near the left door way and the inpteude right door way. The other 4 right near the the SOS Rit.

At 1:20-1:30 I cast EOE, I do this for the first 2 wave.

After the first 2 waves. I pull all of my heros back. I put SOS on top of hill, in the middle. Panic on the left, and Inpetude right side. Other 4 right in the dead center of the baby dragon.

Now I keep them 4 near the area, sometimes I move them to the tip of the cliff to get minions.

The first 2 mes, I set them to attack.

I managed to do all the waves. Good Luck...

Swingline

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

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Awesome build btw, I of course, I wasn't AFK. However the first 2 mes. The Rit SOS, and the Panic Mes and the Inpetude Mes. First 2 wave's. Place SOS Rit below the baby dragon, not where the dragon but right down the hill. The Panic mes left side near the left door way and the inpteude right door way. The other 4 right near the the SOS Rit.

At 1:20-1:30 I cast EOE, I do this for the first 2 wave.

After the first 2 waves. I pull all of my heros back. I put SOS on top of hill, in the middle. Panic on the left, and Inpetude right side. Other 4 right in the dead center of the baby dragon.

Now I keep them 4 near the area, sometimes I move them to the tip of the cliff to get minions.

The first 2 mes, I set them to attack.

I managed to do all the waves. Good Luck... You should flag an ineptitude on both sides of the hill so they can blind as soon as possible.

Snorph

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Riverside,Ca

Kings Of Heaven And Earth

E/Me

Hmmm, really? So shall i use 2 ineptitude mes?

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Hmmm your right, it worked better with 2 of them. Again I had 2 Inpe mes, 2 Rits, a SOS and SOGM, and 3 Discord necs. Some of them in my party died but managed to complete it again.

Snorph

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Riverside,Ca

Kings Of Heaven And Earth

E/Me

Well did my 3rd run, and completed it again. Ummm, what do you guys use to post builds, screens and such, so I can share some stuff as well?

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

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just press printscreen, and upload it via imgshack or tinyimg.
with builds, either dl Paw-ned or be a master @ Paint.