Please do not flame me if you've seen this once already, but it's my first time seeing this...
Dmg: 14%
- 1 Health Regen
Also just wondering if its worth anything; as its weird, but r13 =\
First time seeing a weird mod...
lvd333
tghoodoo
very rare to get this inherent. there's also a variant with -1 energy regen. ppl use it mostly to die in some pvp fighting arena where the other team tries to keep the last person alive for whatever reason to their advantage(correct me if i'm wrong). only gotten 1 myself over many a golds. as for worth, u might be able to find a collector since its a good skin (well... i liked skin by many. not including myself :P). like u said q13 after all. and not max hurts alot too. just be happy with whatever u can get. but it doesn't hurt to try and ask for more 
superraptors
not that rare
tghoodoo
c'mon, u have to admit that it is that rare. simply for the fact that u don't see 1 guy peddling a shop of self dropped dual-vamp weapons. or another guy out there farming for them(which u simply cannot do). ive only had 1. how many have u had? and also the fact that some dude made a thread about it.... well, ive seen worse. but still. i believe Over 90% players go through GW without having one drop. hope thats rare enough for u. now whether or not they drop with nice skins are usable requirements is a different story... a different story that makes the good ones even more rare.
StueyG
Not THAT rare, I've gotten a few - everyone hypes these. Not tons around now days but there are not nearly as many people farming old school areas as there used to be back in the day. I would say it is very uncommon - but it is not "very rare".
And 90% never seeing one drop? lol? You are making up random stats... they could get merched or any number of things and you would never know. When I was buying unids I would get cheap ones in LA and I got 2-3 dead bows with -1hp, which I merched.
As for the value of that one 50k+
And 90% never seeing one drop? lol? You are making up random stats... they could get merched or any number of things and you would never know. When I was buying unids I would get cheap ones in LA and I got 2-3 dead bows with -1hp, which I merched.
As for the value of that one 50k+
Pleikki
Ive Had hundreds 14-15/-1 drop from my 18000 chests opened in cantha..
Before the hype i kept merching all those random ones..
Before the hype i kept merching all those random ones..
Bright Star Shine
In my ~7,4k chests in Cantha I have never had a single +15/-1 drop. Ever. I'm still waiting for one, and hoping, but in my opinion it's pretty rare. Drop codes are random of course, so might just be I end up getting 3 in a row. Just like yesterday, a friend asked me if I had any more elite necro tomes, I just sold all of em, and he was quite disapointed, but then I ended up getting 2 from 2 consecutive chests, was pretty funny imo.
It's rare, but not that rare.
It's rare, but not that rare.
tghoodoo
haha, as for the random stats claim. yeah, so... it seemed appropriate. but if u think about it... out of the last 100 golds i've gotten till my latest whatever title. not even 10 of those have been a vamp mod(debating on whichever have been even a martial weapon that is capable is a different issue). thus in my mind, taking that to a personal acquirement of gold drops, its actually way less than 90 percent drop rate. i've only bout 4,000 chests to my name atm and like i said only come across 1 that i can actually claim. plus ive been running some outcast around as of late, and came across 3 gold shields within bout 30-40 lockpicks. just throwing that out there for some comparison of rarity. so, i actually believe less than 90% would be an understatement. u have to realize just How many ppl are playing GW.
aside from that, agreed whatever was said for price. that guy know prices.
aside from that, agreed whatever was said for price. that guy know prices.
Bright Star Shine
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plus ive been running some outcast around as of late, and came across 3 gold shields within bout 30-40 lockpicks. just throwing that out there for some comparison of rarity
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tghoodoo
sry for that bad rap bro. srsly though?? ide say out of every 80 set of keys i get i get bout 3-4 each round... at least! weird how this game works out for ppl. ive also run bout 200+ vsf runs to no avail(doing the hard part!!). but have come across many ppl who've gotten multiple. within a few months.... damn u GW keeping me intrigued and playing~~~!!!!
Bright Star Shine
No, I am serious. I started running outcasts chests, just for the shields, which is why I kept track of it.. Some friends of mine run them too, but they get the same as you, some 3-4 shields/80 picks. I quit running their chests because it was to no avail lol..
Pleikki
Last time i tried chesting for outcast shield, by only opening outcast chests (used the one in rheas carter)
i ran around 15 chests and got gold r10 str one
Since havent bothored try
i ran around 15 chests and got gold r10 str one
Since havent bothored try
superraptors
outcast shield hmm probably from 400 chests ive gotten about 2 golds and 2 purples, running jade sea is pretty boring all you get is jade wands and outcast armors lol i can probably do 50 chests max if i tried then ill give up.
id say the chances of getting good mods are the same for every other shield, except there drop rate is shit.
id say the chances of getting good mods are the same for every other shield, except there drop rate is shit.
carnage-runner
Not that rare. I've merched too many to count... R8's with the -1 however... Quite uncommon indeed. Any other req?... Nothing to write home about but still odd and sellable usually.
StueyG
Not to be rude, but you keep picking the stupidest examples. An outcast shield is not rare in itself, the chance of one with really good stats FAR exceeds the chance of a 15 -1 weapon. A golden phoenix blade drops quite ofter, but of course getting a -1 version is not as common.
And then you even pointed out that others get different drop rates as well for some items making your claims even more ridiculous. They are not all that rare, you just don't get them as drops. I am not even half way on chests and I have gotten several, and now there are multiple people saying the same thing.
Even in this thread there are 3 saying they have had multiples drop, one with a single drop and two of you with none. So far that is over half that have gotten one. How does that equal 90%? ;P
And then you even pointed out that others get different drop rates as well for some items making your claims even more ridiculous. They are not all that rare, you just don't get them as drops. I am not even half way on chests and I have gotten several, and now there are multiple people saying the same thing.
Even in this thread there are 3 saying they have had multiples drop, one with a single drop and two of you with none. So far that is over half that have gotten one. How does that equal 90%? ;P
Tender Care
Making percentage of drops is almost impossible imo. U just can say something drops more or less. Some mods are more wanted, are not "rare" themselves.
15/-1 drops less than others and it's wanted. I had 3 of them latest months, even if they were -1nrg.
Percentages are fake in GW imo. The are just things that ppl like and prefer and others that don't like.
Wanna an example? 30 mins farming i had 2 gothics defenders and an ornate with good stats. Same another day when i had 2 echos (bad modded) in about an hour...and only few other golds
Chest running in Rhea's Crater i had 2 gold Outcast shields on maybe 300-400 chests...
The appetibility of mods is just the use they have, shields are for the skins mostly...as any non-inscribable to be good must have 2 decent mods. Weapons must have 1
Another example are inscribable shields. Draconic aegis that ppl like, cos they look good, aren't rare, but ppl pay lot for them anyway. Drop from Zaishen, FoW, UW and all Slavers chests
Demonic Aegis which only drop from Zaishen Chest and FoW final chest aren't wanted without any reason. And theoretically they should be rarer than Draconic since drop from less chests
So...what is rare?? some things in the GW market simply don't make sense....As in real-life there are things that are the latest fashion without any benefit from them, others not
15/-1 drops less than others and it's wanted. I had 3 of them latest months, even if they were -1nrg.
Percentages are fake in GW imo. The are just things that ppl like and prefer and others that don't like.
Wanna an example? 30 mins farming i had 2 gothics defenders and an ornate with good stats. Same another day when i had 2 echos (bad modded) in about an hour...and only few other golds
Chest running in Rhea's Crater i had 2 gold Outcast shields on maybe 300-400 chests...
The appetibility of mods is just the use they have, shields are for the skins mostly...as any non-inscribable to be good must have 2 decent mods. Weapons must have 1
Another example are inscribable shields. Draconic aegis that ppl like, cos they look good, aren't rare, but ppl pay lot for them anyway. Drop from Zaishen, FoW, UW and all Slavers chests
Demonic Aegis which only drop from Zaishen Chest and FoW final chest aren't wanted without any reason. And theoretically they should be rarer than Draconic since drop from less chests
So...what is rare?? some things in the GW market simply don't make sense....As in real-life there are things that are the latest fashion without any benefit from them, others not
superraptors
skin value is based on looks, most of the time, only exclusive items are considered rare because they are hard to find or not acquireable anymore and yes any item with good stats non-inscriptable can be considered rare. rarity and value can be in the same item or seperately although some inscriptables have totally destroyed some of there counterparts.
15/-1 mod? not that rare they still pop up, if it happens to be a req8 weapon then its pretty rare and valuable, on a req9+ item id say its not that rare but otherwise still semi valuable based on its skin
15/-1 mod? not that rare they still pop up, if it happens to be a req8 weapon then its pretty rare and valuable, on a req9+ item id say its not that rare but otherwise still semi valuable based on its skin
The Mountain
I've run 16k chests (at least 10k in Cantha), and had 3 (two were nrg modded).
I've had quite a few more farming...
People are silly if they think these weapons are not rare. Is mini Dhuum rare? I'd be willing to bet a lot that his drop rate from UW chest is better than the 15/-1 drop rate from any inherent-weapon chests.
Of course, I am biased because I collect them. However, there is a reason I started collecting. With nothing else to spend cash on, I figured I'd gather up some of the items I always thought were exceedingly rare and cool finds in all my time running chests.
My opinion on their current drop rarity (just my observations, ofc): more rare than current drops of blue r8 max shields and less rare than gold r8 max shields.
I've had quite a few more farming...
People are silly if they think these weapons are not rare. Is mini Dhuum rare? I'd be willing to bet a lot that his drop rate from UW chest is better than the 15/-1 drop rate from any inherent-weapon chests.
Of course, I am biased because I collect them. However, there is a reason I started collecting. With nothing else to spend cash on, I figured I'd gather up some of the items I always thought were exceedingly rare and cool finds in all my time running chests.
My opinion on their current drop rarity (just my observations, ofc): more rare than current drops of blue r8 max shields and less rare than gold r8 max shields.
Gutemuh
"Farming" dual-vamps seens quite impossible,
but in certain areas you have better odds than in others.
f.ex.: we want to chestrun one hand dual-vamp weapons, so we look for lots of golden swords and axes in the drop-pool.
Look for an area without armor in the pool (-> more swords and axes).
Napui chestruns will give you good odds.
Celestials, crenelated, some canthan global swords and no armor.
With this in mind I found 6 myself in the last 3 months, including a celestial sword R9 15/-1, but you need patience, lots of.
Good luck
Muh
Edit: If you want to be super smart, you can even "test" your unidents in an ex-area and sell the rest.
but in certain areas you have better odds than in others.
f.ex.: we want to chestrun one hand dual-vamp weapons, so we look for lots of golden swords and axes in the drop-pool.
Look for an area without armor in the pool (-> more swords and axes).
Napui chestruns will give you good odds.
Celestials, crenelated, some canthan global swords and no armor.
With this in mind I found 6 myself in the last 3 months, including a celestial sword R9 15/-1, but you need patience, lots of.
Good luck
Muh
Edit: If you want to be super smart, you can even "test" your unidents in an ex-area and sell the rest.
Tender Care
Well...as i already told, between all the mods a martial weapon can have, finding one with the 15/-1hp occurs few times. Also: +15/-1nrg is rare the same as -1hp but less valuable......this should also make u ponder about rarity of item and related market...
about what The Mountain said above: If u want Mini Dhuum u just have to beat the UW and open a chest: the possibilities of having mini Dhuum are the same as having a silver boar scepter.
I did only 4-5 UW SC after Dhuum update and the very first time i had Dhuum Soul Reaper dropped....A guildy do it 24/7 and had only 2 times scythe, 1 eternal blade and other few Celestial Compasses, between 400-500 runs...
Obviously if u wanna find a 15/-1 weapon just farm a lot and u are maybe lucky, but farming a lot won't give the certainity of having one...
about what The Mountain said above: If u want Mini Dhuum u just have to beat the UW and open a chest: the possibilities of having mini Dhuum are the same as having a silver boar scepter.
I did only 4-5 UW SC after Dhuum update and the very first time i had Dhuum Soul Reaper dropped....A guildy do it 24/7 and had only 2 times scythe, 1 eternal blade and other few Celestial Compasses, between 400-500 runs...
Obviously if u wanna find a 15/-1 weapon just farm a lot and u are maybe lucky, but farming a lot won't give the certainity of having one...
Internetuser
It might have just been random luck, but a couple of months ago when i farmed outside of LA for feathers, I had 3 dual degen weps drop. If anything you guys should try farming that area. Ya know, just in case
silicagel
I think it's time that the devs introduce inscribable versions of outcast, echovald, amber aegis, etc. shield skins. Because the number of people playing this game is winding down, these shield skins(in usable fashion) are near impossible to find and it's only going to get worse. Time for a change so people can complete their collections and move on to gw2.
_Todeshand_
Yes, make inscriptable Echovald, Gothic, Celestial please!
Actually... no.
Actually... no.
silicagel
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Yes, make inscriptable Echovald, Gothic, Celestial please!
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_Todeshand_
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insc celestial already exists :P
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E: I was QQing non inscriptable items in general. Sorry, you were QQing shields only.
Tyrant
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I think it's time that the devs introduce inscribable versions of outcast, echovald, amber aegis, etc. shield skins. Because the number of people playing this game is winding down, these shield skins(in usable fashion) are near impossible to find and it's only going to get worse. Time for a change so people can complete their collections and move on to gw2.
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silicagel
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Shields only afaik? Because for Axes there's also already inscr. Gothics e.g.
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superraptors
inscriptions were a positive thing for guild wars, maybe not so positive for power traders, so most of you got to stop bitching about it.
Bright Star Shine
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I think it's time that the devs introduce inscribable versions of outcast, echovald, amber aegis, etc. shield skins. Because the number of people playing this game is winding down, these shield skins(in usable fashion) are near impossible to find and it's only going to get worse. Time for a change so people can complete their collections and move on to gw2.
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Tbh, they can not imo, only thing they should bring inscr is Celestial Scepter (maybe staff but meh-ish on that) because they are impossible to find anyway with any decent mods..
Also, don't touch our shields, they're ours..
Coast
yes, i want cele scepter!
StueyG
I'm all for no more inscription items, and it has nothing to do with power trading - more fail assumptions. Tons of people used to enjoy the thought of finding rare elusive stuff - now most of that is gone. Inscription crap is BORING.
And who wants to collect something that is common? If everything was inscription everyone would all have the same crap, like most people do now. Collection would be stupid, and take no challenge to complete.
And who wants to collect something that is common? If everything was inscription everyone would all have the same crap, like most people do now. Collection would be stupid, and take no challenge to complete.
superraptors
calm down mate, you seem really aggravated.
inscriptions doesn't change the fact that non-inscriptable version are much rarer, it only devalues it if its not req8 or lower, as you can see from emblazoned, guardian of the hunts embossed etc, so yes it does have alot to do with power trading, i had eternals that were imperfect back in the day getting easily 100k, inscriptions came out they dropped to merch food, despite it being rare. and there are still many mods that are not replicable on inscription shields, so it would not affect its rarity at all.
plenty of people are still collecting various shields with non-replicable mods.
there is still people who enjoy collecting non-inscriptable counterparts, its just the game is 6 years old and gw2 is coming out, so there is less people playing and selling obv.
inscriptions doesn't change the fact that non-inscriptable version are much rarer, it only devalues it if its not req8 or lower, as you can see from emblazoned, guardian of the hunts embossed etc, so yes it does have alot to do with power trading, i had eternals that were imperfect back in the day getting easily 100k, inscriptions came out they dropped to merch food, despite it being rare. and there are still many mods that are not replicable on inscription shields, so it would not affect its rarity at all.
plenty of people are still collecting various shields with non-replicable mods.
there is still people who enjoy collecting non-inscriptable counterparts, its just the game is 6 years old and gw2 is coming out, so there is less people playing and selling obv.
Pleikki
Thing about inscription I personally hate is that now everything can be so easyly "perfect" that all "non perf" items lost their intrest and value..
Like in example dmg mods 14^50 and 15^50, Techically the difference is use is none.. But due 15^50s being easy obtainable everyone just wants that.. Pre insc times ppl were fine with other then perfect mods also and everyone was as happy as now with their 15^50's.. Same thing for shields staffs offhands wands..
19hct vs 20hct is hardly a difference
Like in example dmg mods 14^50 and 15^50, Techically the difference is use is none.. But due 15^50s being easy obtainable everyone just wants that.. Pre insc times ppl were fine with other then perfect mods also and everyone was as happy as now with their 15^50's.. Same thing for shields staffs offhands wands..
19hct vs 20hct is hardly a difference
Tender Care
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I think it's time that the devs introduce inscribable versions of outcast, echovald, amber aegis, etc. shield skins. Because the number of people playing this game is winding down, these shield skins(in usable fashion) are near impossible to find and it's only going to get worse. Time for a change so people can complete their collections and move on to gw2.
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This shields are not impossible to find, is just that most of u are now only interested in filling the stupid HoM, doing DoA runs Speed Clears, for having weapons that everybody now owns....It makes ppl look like hip-hop crews, all dressed in the same manner, hardly recognizable...
But GW is not only this and u may have forgotten this. One of the best things u can do in GW is playing alone and try to get 100% drops, which means solo farming. If u really want those rares, stop doing DoA 24/7 and begin to farm.
This is not a post against you personally, i hope u understand. It's just an observation of the game.
I go with SteuyG and Plikki, saying that inscription has made this game really poor in term of market, with exception of few tyrian and some canthan skins.
Bright Star Shine
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:rage: :rage: :rage:
This shields are not impossible to find, is just that most of u are now only interested in filling the stupid HoM, doing DoA runs Speed Clears, for having weapons that everybody now owns....It makes ppl look like hip-hop crews, all dressed in the same manner, hardly recognizable... But GW is not only this and u may have forgotten this. One of the best things u can do in GW is playing alone and try to get 100% drops, which means solo farming. If u really want those rares, stop doing DoA 24/7 and begin to farm. This is not a post against you personally, i hope u understand. It's just an observation of the game. I go with SteuyG and Plikki, saying that inscription has made this game really poor in term of market, with exception of few tyrian and some canthan skins. |
I do DoA a lot (not as much as I used to) and I never use my torment weaps, because only my ele has them and I barely use my ele The thing this 24/7 DoASC (not Glaive, I mean SC) has mounted to is a nice big pile of ecto in my storage which I use to grossly overpay my +10 -2ench shields for my collection^^ I also chest run in the dead hours, when there is no one around to DoA with.. So, some of us are capable of doing shit tons of DoA and still love uninscr items...And indeed, inscriptions made the weapons market laughable. All greens went worthless, imperfect weapons were immediately merched, Anet destroyed something quite cool they created. Greens used to be worth a lot and actually useful, but now they are pretty much ignored, or only used for heroes. Also, they are worth nothing anymore anyway..
Tender Care
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You sir, just insulted me
I do DoA a lot (not as much as I used to) and I never use my torment weaps, because only my ele has them and I barely use my ele The thing this 24/7 DoASC (not Glaive, I mean SC) has mounted to is a nice big pile of ecto in my storage which I use to grossly overpay my +10 -2ench shields for my collection^^ I also chest run in the dead hours, when there is no one around to DoA with.. So, some of us are capable of doing shit tons of DoA and still love uninscr items...And indeed, inscriptions made the weapons market laughable. All greens went worthless, imperfect weapons were immediately merched, Anet destroyed something quite cool they created. Greens used to be worth a lot and actually useful, but now they are pretty much ignored, or only used for heroes. Also, they are worth nothing anymore anyway.. |
I also did some run just to sell the armbrace and make money.....but u also understand that the DoA market is simply unbelievable and really poor in term of originality.
My consideration above was just about HoM related market and general interests in the game. What does move the game now? HoM rewards...with few exception of ppl like you and me and many others well known here on Guru that still collects old-schools and rarities just for the pleasure of wasting time and money on items that they will never use or sell.
This is pretty sad to me, but still like this game!
Bright Star Shine
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with few exception of ppl like you and me and many others well known here on Guru that still collects old-schools and rarities just for the pleasure of wasting time and money on items that they will never use or sell.
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they're awesome^^ I wouldn't overpay them that much if I didn't actually use them
Way2dead
I see a first page of people talking about the rarity of 15/-1, after that, we just actually started a new thread about collecting shields and things?
To stay on topic, i've run not that much chests in cantha, maybe 1-2k, so never seen one myself, also none of my, or maybe a few who i didn't ask, ever had such a drop, it's rare, but also a bit depending on the skin imo.
To stay on topic, i've run not that much chests in cantha, maybe 1-2k, so never seen one myself, also none of my, or maybe a few who i didn't ask, ever had such a drop, it's rare, but also a bit depending on the skin imo.
silicagel
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People that want to complete their collection would not do so by taking Inscr versions, so wouldn't solve anything.
Tbh, they can not imo, only thing they should bring inscr is Celestial Scepter (maybe staff but meh-ish on that) because they are impossible to find anyway with any decent mods.. Also, don't touch our shields, they're ours.. |
and no one is touching your shields. :P non-inscribable shields would remain, but inscribable versions of shields that are currently unavailable with inscription slots would be added via z-chest, hoh or some other source.
silicagel
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:rage: :rage: :rage:
This shields are not impossible to find, is just that most of u are now only interested in filling the stupid HoM, doing DoA runs Speed Clears, for having weapons that everybody now owns....It makes ppl look like hip-hop crews, all dressed in the same manner, hardly recognizable... |