A pre-searing data gathering expedition...

Between me and 3 other guildies (all now lvl 19 or 20) we have gotten 6 black dyes, at least 20 bags and just 2 kits.

My pre monk is about 3 weeks old, got one char bag and one kit in the second day of char farming with a friend. Got several runes(10 I think) and one white dye. It's only lvl 11 so have not farmed char a lot.

Level 18 now. No black dyes, 1 charr bag and no kits. Beat that!

I think it's ONLY Charr bosses that actually have a chance to drop a kit.

8 bags and 2 kits from L13-17.

Loads of blacks since L1 - I'd say around 12.

Levels 9-12 as elementalist. Zero bags, two kits.

And yeah, it's only bosses that can drop either.

That is unquestionably the case. The same is true of charr bags. Hence the comparison of charr bags to charr kits (Black dyes have been thrown in as well, since they are another rarity).

From the info provided so far, it seems to support a conclusion that bags are dropping somewhere around 2-4 times as often as kits (perhaps even more... we have a pretty limited sample of info here). Yet, the fact remains that no character ever needs more than 2 charr bags while a character would need a minimum of 2 kits to fully equip runes and insignias.

Currently the market price of a charr nag is around 500-600g, while the market price of a kit is around 9-10k. That, perhaps, says a lot about drop rates as well.

So here's a third question to consider: With the introduction of the vanguard quests in pre, we've seen higher level foes to fight, including bosses. However, these new foes have no drops whatsoever (not even gold). How would you feel about these bosses having the possibility of dropping a charr kit equivalent item?

As I see it, farming these bosses wouldn't be much easier than farming charr bosses, though you'd no longer need a gate monkey (if you needed one to begin with... I have a 2nd acct char for that purpose). It would also be nice if the chance of dropping such an item were to increase as the level of the boss increased.

1 bag and 1 kit in 1 run. Bonza!

Firstly, this is pre, forget stats and farmming, just chill out, do a daily quest and accept whatever comes there.

Second, they are rare, very rare, they will drop or not.

Finally, to date I have got 2 bags and 1 kit.

I was wondering if the charr bag drop was affected by the green drop weekend. That's when I got my one and only bag.

R/W14 here. I farmed the Northlands from L9 until I hit 14 and have just been doing dailies since then. So far I've had 6 or 7 bags drop but no kits.

I've also landed a single black dye, but that was from a gargoyle in the Catacombs (lol).

After starting a new toon a month ago, I've gotten a white dye, 4 bags and 1 kit...barely farming the charr, mostly farming other areas when no gate monkey is required.

I'm a very casual pursuer of LDoA. My necro is a lvl 14. I may log in here and there and farm the quests and/or the charr. In that time I've received 2 charr kits, 2 charr bags.

In all that time, I've had 0 black dye drops and 0 white dye drops. =\

4 Kits up to level 16, although one came courtesy of a level 5 GM who refused to leave and ran in at the bosses, died and then dropped a kit.

That was an interesting 10 minutes waiting for the timeout on the kit

I've had a pre-toon for a couple years now that I play off and on. Level 17 currently. In all my time playing i've found about 10 bags, and 5 kits... and then three black dyes.

my latest venture in ascalon was created something like 37 days ago. since that time i have had 15+ kit drops, 1 black dye, and more charr bags than i can count, oh and also a 17% bow mod vs charr, and a 16% sword mod vs charr. i am not doing too bad i think...DONT CHANGE A THING >.<

I can average 1 Kit a night..either dropped for me or for a partner.
Might not get a bag though and my toon.. Imnotyourmother got the LDoA BEFORE there was this easy peasy good for nothing way to get LDoA. makes me puke.

I kept a lvl 16 monk in pre for the heck of it and after these new quest she got LDoA in less than 5 hours...its lame and worthless now.

So 1 lvl 19 with Fire imp and a LOW LEVEL partner = 1 Kit a night in 3 hours playing.

But you find the daily quests boring?

all the time ive been in pre. ive been in and out of it, and now im finally making a loda. i had like 5 bags 2 black dyes 3 whites and 2 kits over my time spent in pre but its very very spaced out.

You're luckier than me then. My level 16 has had 2 black and 3 white dye drops.