Would you pay real money or in-game gold for someone to lend you their team of heroes (assume they have all skills and heroes unlocked, including merc heroes, and fully runed and equipped)?
Either a 6-heroes team by the person mapping out of the game, or have the player follow you around to do quests/missions/vanquish with you. The latter option being more expensive, of course. They can customize the team's build according to your very own specifications to synergize with your character's build, or they can come with their own recommendations.
Or for an even more expensive option, have that someone perform the quest/mission/vanquish for you while you afk.
Or would you rather let that someone have access to your account to gain experience/titles for your characters, for you?
Ebon Vanguard Player Services
Daesu
Nilator
Well, judging on the vast collection of "Services Offered" threads, I'm going to assume that people are willing to spend in game gold to have someone perform quests/missions/VQ's while afk.
And before 7 heroes came out, people would sell/lend heroes a lot.
I've done it a few times for others to VQ, FoW run, odd jobs and stuff.
Having someone gain access to your account is risky business.
I would only get a personal rl friend access to my account to do something for me, but that would be kinda useless, because, why not group up and do it?
And before 7 heroes came out, people would sell/lend heroes a lot.
I've done it a few times for others to VQ, FoW run, odd jobs and stuff.
Having someone gain access to your account is risky business.
I would only get a personal rl friend access to my account to do something for me, but that would be kinda useless, because, why not group up and do it?
Shadow Sentinel
"Would you pay real money or..."
That's what the skill unlock packs are for. People do pay real money for them. No need for an in-game service any more. The only expense in-game is equipment such as vitality and 40/40 sets for your heroes, and you can just buy them from NPCs.
As for paying people to play the game for you, I don't really see the point. I mean, why do you have the game in the first place? To get a title or 50/50 for GW2? That seems pretty lame to me.
That's what the skill unlock packs are for. People do pay real money for them. No need for an in-game service any more. The only expense in-game is equipment such as vitality and 40/40 sets for your heroes, and you can just buy them from NPCs.
As for paying people to play the game for you, I don't really see the point. I mean, why do you have the game in the first place? To get a title or 50/50 for GW2? That seems pretty lame to me.
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"Would you pay real money or..."
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Shadow Sentinel
It's easier to do it yourself than try and earn enough in-game money to be able to get someone else to do it for you, IMHO.
Just get with a good guild and have fun playing the game.
If you want a shortcut, buy the all the expansions and upgrades. I could get maxed out heroes on a new character from scratch within a week with all the game upgrades.
Just get with a good guild and have fun playing the game.
If you want a shortcut, buy the all the expansions and upgrades. I could get maxed out heroes on a new character from scratch within a week with all the game upgrades.
lemming
Just buy some gold.
AngelWJedi
id admit i hire running to do missions,vanqs and stuff for me. But i got 49/50 in Hom one char close to gwamm and another 2 catching up to the first one. and ive been playing for over 43months. so im allowed to be lazy now in again i can afford it.
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id admit i hire running to do missions,vanqs and stuff for me. But i got 49/50 in Hom one char close to gwamm and another 2 catching up to the first one. and ive been playing for over 43months. so im allowed to be lazy now in again i can afford it.
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50/50, GWAMM, maxed lucky/unlucky/TH/Wisdom, and decided to try for a GWAMM on my second account (so no benefit from all that account wide work lol).
I'm also busier at work now, and pretty well off from playing the game for almost 5 years, so I'm just buying everything I can (with help from my far richer wife)... Mostly HM dungeon runs (since heroes can do the NM versions with me just c-spacing) and buying buyable titles (survivor right before the change, alcohol (thankfully only half done before the change) skill hunter (had capped all skills previously, just not on a single char), sugar, party.
I am doing missions myself mostly. Been doing them for so long they're all pretty easy in NM and HM. The Zvanq. is fantastic though, as I hate vanquishing and the little extra points and coins are a real nice bonus.
Actually just got on to look into getting an Urgoz and Deep run. Not sure if they're afkable or more than I'm willing to pay. But it'd be nice to get them off my zbounty list.
Just protector/guardian, vanquishing and cartographer to do now. And the rep titles. It's all pretty easy stuff though, so just doing it myself.
Expherious
62 months. Anything worth doing is done. love the game! cant wait for gw2
StormDragonZ
Am I the only person who actually plays this game anymore?
I mean, really. Paying to get titles? Letting other people get stuff for you? Are you that desperate?
Absolutely pathetic.
I mean, really. Paying to get titles? Letting other people get stuff for you? Are you that desperate?
Absolutely pathetic.
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Am I the only person who actually plays this game anymore?
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Iuris
A) Real life money transactions are not permitted (unless via Anet's own shop, but we digress) so you're liable to get banned if you try that one.
B) 6 heroes and leave? I fail to see why anyone would pay you for that, since they could easily get your builds just by watching the skills the heroes use, and we have perfectly adequate PvX team builds available, too.
C) Services for ingame gold have long existed. Not that I like them or use them (except once, for UW, since I don't know how to deal with the =#$)=" party splitting quests), but they're there and not very different from what you seem to want to offer.
B) 6 heroes and leave? I fail to see why anyone would pay you for that, since they could easily get your builds just by watching the skills the heroes use, and we have perfectly adequate PvX team builds available, too.
C) Services for ingame gold have long existed. Not that I like them or use them (except once, for UW, since I don't know how to deal with the =#$)=" party splitting quests), but they're there and not very different from what you seem to want to offer.
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Am I the only person who actually plays this game anymore?
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*Presearing mostly. I'm working on LDoA ranger and farming stuff for gifts. The plan is to have "People know me" on that presearing ranger. Should get it by the end of november.
MrConsideration
I don't understand why anyone would offer this service or pay for it, but I'm one of those strange creatures who actually plays the game for enjoyment.
Surely if you're spending in-game gold you could simply pay for skills and runes for yourself? That would be a better investment...
Surely if you're spending in-game gold you could simply pay for skills and runes for yourself? That would be a better investment...
enter_the_zone
I've paid for runs of HM dungeons, mainly because it's faster than doing it yourself, and you easily make enough to pay for the run. Plus, I can watch TV or browse forums while someone else does the work and actually makes me money. Paying for VQ can be reasonable, if you can make more money doing something else in the same playing time, then have someone VQ while you're afk in time that you couldn't really play. Say, while you're at work, for example.
TheGizzy
The only time I've even considered paying someone to do something like this for me in-game was when I was still new enough that I was very intimidated by the idea of attempting to do the dungeons on my own and I considered paying someone to take me on a "tour." I got over that pretty quickly.
If I'm going to get GWAMM & 50/50 in my HoM, it's something I actually want to earn myself. I have a friend who has given me a few mini's she didn't need, but beyond that, I've done the work to get the points I have... 18 so far and ever-growing. That includes actually getting my hero armor upgrades through playing, finding the gems I need for my own armors, etc.
I like the sense of accomplishment I get each time I've added a new point by playing the game myself. It wouldn't feel the same if I paid someone else for it... but that's just me, and is only relevant to how I like to play/advance. Other people have other experiences that suit them.
If I'm going to get GWAMM & 50/50 in my HoM, it's something I actually want to earn myself. I have a friend who has given me a few mini's she didn't need, but beyond that, I've done the work to get the points I have... 18 so far and ever-growing. That includes actually getting my hero armor upgrades through playing, finding the gems I need for my own armors, etc.
I like the sense of accomplishment I get each time I've added a new point by playing the game myself. It wouldn't feel the same if I paid someone else for it... but that's just me, and is only relevant to how I like to play/advance. Other people have other experiences that suit them.
Daesu
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Am I the only person who actually plays this game anymore?
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Actually I expected more people to be paying for these services. It comes down to a point when your wage $/hour becomes high enough and you are a busy person, then it is probably cheaper (time and money-wise) for you to hire someone to do it for you, than to do it yourself.
I find that many gamers, with busy jobs in real life, are finding it hard to have the time to play their favorite games, much less grind for in-game benefits.
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A) Real life money transactions are not permitted (unless via Anet's own shop, but we digress) so you're liable to get banned if you try that one.
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Iuris
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I doubt it because this is not enforcable by ANet. ANet doesn't know because these transactions occur outside the game itself.
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StormDragonZ
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Not everyone has a fully built character like some people do. Stop judging based on the way they play the game.
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Then again, I could throw out the "so what do you call a botter" statement, but that's for another thread.
majoho
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Would you pay real money or in-game gold for someone to lend you their team of heroes (assume they have all skills and heroes unlocked, including merc heroes, and fully runed and equipped)?
Either a 6-heroes team by the person mapping out of the game, or have the player follow you around to do quests/missions/vanquish with you. The latter option being more expensive, of course. They can customize the team's build according to your very own specifications to synergize with your character's build, or they can come with their own recommendations. Or for an even more expensive option, have that someone perform the quest/mission/vanquish for you while you afk. Or would you rather let that someone have access to your account to gain experience/titles for your characters, for you? |
Any kind of gameplay where you aren't actually a part of it should result in a an account ban in my opinion - if you are afk'ing and someone is doing things for you you could just as well be botting.
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I find that many gamers, with busy jobs in real life, are finding it hard to have the time to play their favorite games, much less grind for in-game benefits.
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I doubt it because this is not enforcable by ANet. ANet doesn't know because these transactions occur outside the game itself.
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Actually I expected more people to be paying for these services. It comes down to a point when your wage $/hour becomes high enough and you are a busy person, then it is probably cheaper (time and money-wise) for you to hire someone to do it for you, than to do it yourself. I find that many gamers, with busy jobs in real life, are finding it hard to have the time to play their favorite games, much less grind for in-game benefits. |
Talk about posing, but if that's what you're into than who am I to say that's wrong? Play the game however you want, but with 7 heroes in a party that you can fairly easily max out, the game is easy and productive enough to actually play yourself. Crazy talk, I know...
As someone else mentioned, in-game money is better spent on yourself, and real money is better spent on upgrading your account. If you're just getting a run to Lion's Arch from Ascalon so you can get L20 heroes from EotN for 1k or so, that's a different matter. Guess how long it takes to level up yourself or your heroes there? They even boost your stats to L20 to make it that much easier.
Here, if someone needs some help with hero builds, these are generally good enough: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:A...ng_hero_builds
Daesu
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Why play the game then? Because you like paying someone else to play it for you so that you can walk around with a title in GW or GW2 at your leisure?
Talk about posing, but if that's what you're into than who am I to say that's wrong? Play the game however you want, but with 7 heroes in a party that you can fairly easily max out, the game is easy and productive enough to actually play yourself. Crazy talk, I know... |
Titles are nice but some titles are a pain to grind for and these people have too much money but too little time to grind. Besides, grinding is a lot less fun than playing through the storyline.
Horus Moonlight
Paying for the service outlined in the OP is facepalm worthy. The money could be better spent outfitting your own heroes (and don't give me a "no time" excuse; outfitting heroes would probably take as long as finding someone offering this service) so you could *gasp* use your own heroes (not to mention you wouldn't have to pay each and every time).
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Paying for the service outlined in the OP is facepalm worthy. The money could be better spent outfitting your own heroes (and don't give me a "no time" excuse; outfitting heroes would probably take as long as finding someone offering this service) so you could *gasp* use your own heroes (not to mention you wouldn't have to pay each and every time).
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Outfitting heroes properly requires some amount of knowledge and experience in the game which not every GW player has or bothers to acquire.
Mireles
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Despite your opinion, virtual goods and services is a $3 billion dollar industry. This shows that some rich players are fueling this industry regardless of whether you and I agree with their actions or not.
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http://www.infodev.org/en/Publication.1056.html
This figure is not strictly limited to MMORPG Virtual goods...
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Makes no since to a person that actually enjoys playing the game the way it was made to be.
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Actually I expected more people to be paying for these services. It comes down to a point when your wage $/hour becomes high enough and you are a busy person, then it is probably cheaper (time and money-wise) for you to hire someone to do it for you, than to do it yourself.
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There is only one rational reason for RMT...
When you want the glory but don't have the guts...
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There is only one rational reason for RMT...
When you want the glory but can't be bothered to grind for hundreds of hours to get it when you can work 10 hours IRL and pay someone else to do the crappy grind for you... which leaves you able to actually play the game when you log in. |
You're right, Guild Wars isn't a necessity, but in case you haven't noticed, the entire real world economy is based on richer people wasting money on stuff that isn't necessary. Whether it's pixels or Prada, there's no difference at all.
Shadow Sentinel
I can agree that some people probably do pay for these kinds of services whether or not anyone else thinks it's justified. And yes, some of the titles definitely are a bit of a grind, though a lot of them have been made easier than they were.
I'm sure 7 heroes with the skill unlock packs and of course the Wiki and other on-line resources make the game significantly more accessible to a lot of the less advanced players though, whether they know it or not.
I'm sure 7 heroes with the skill unlock packs and of course the Wiki and other on-line resources make the game significantly more accessible to a lot of the less advanced players though, whether they know it or not.
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Corrected that for you. Not all of us are 14 years old, or unemployed, you know. We have work and families and responsibilities, we like to play for fun and shiny things are fun. So, given a choice, we'd shortcut to get them. I'm lucky, my brother actually likes all the grindy crap, so I leave that to him.
You're right, Guild Wars isn't a necessity, but in case you haven't noticed, the entire real world economy is based on richer people wasting money on stuff that isn't necessary. Whether it's pixels or Prada, there's no difference at all. |
Imagine that you earn $100/hour, $800/day. Like most gamers, you hate grind and repeated content but you would love to have a decked out GWAMM to prepare for GW2. With just a couple of bucks, you can easily hire some kids, who are experts in the game, to grind out GWAMM for you, so why not?
You are not afraid of them jacking your account because if they do, they don't get paid. You still have control over your email account and you can change your game password immediately after getting GWAMM. Furthermore, the cost of an account is pennies to you.
majoho
Why is this thread allowed, basically the OP is telling people that they might as well use powerleveling services and to buy plat.
It's not even a real discussion!
It's not even a real discussion!
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Why is this thread allowed, basically the OP is telling people that they might as well use powerleveling services and to buy plat.
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Dicussing if people would really pay for such services if they are rich, or offer such services, based on a news article is perfectly legitimate.
http://nexgadget.com/2011/04/09/worl...-real-economy/
Iuris
Daesu, one reason computer games are popular is also that they ignore the real life economical situation. Even the less wealthy can therefore enter a more level playing field, which is actually quite important to many people.
Developers' positions vary, but Anet has taken a firm stance against real life money trading. Most players support such a stance, and Anet does prosecute cases. So, don't come crying to us if they catch and ban you.
And a side note to everyone: would you really trust a guy like this with your account?
Especially if you remember how many of the stolen account owners said their account turned out to have been stolen by gold sellers?
Developers' positions vary, but Anet has taken a firm stance against real life money trading. Most players support such a stance, and Anet does prosecute cases. So, don't come crying to us if they catch and ban you.
And a side note to everyone: would you really trust a guy like this with your account?
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Learn to read.
Dicussing if people would really pay for such services if they are rich, or offer such services, based on a news article is perfectly legitimate. |
Hell yeah, I'm sure someone out there has the money to literally let someone else, or a group of people, play an entire game for them. That's right, someone out there in the world purchased Guild Wars, or any online game with the intent and purpose to, and get ready for it, not play it themselves because they don't have the time to do so.
So what happens if you let someone else do everything for you? What do you do next? Pay someone to do it all over again?
That's my biggest problem. People, if they do this sort of thing, get their GWAMM, but then what? You paid someone to get it, so you just leave the game and not care about it anymore?
Honestly, if you can't play the game, why spend money just so you can continue NOT playing? Are people so ignorant to think that perhaps your "help" could scam you?
Seriously, WTF?
BladeDVD
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Daesu, one reason computer games are popular is also that they ignore the real life economical situation. Even the less wealthy can therefore enter a more level playing field, which is actually quite important to many people.
Developers' positions vary, but Anet has taken a firm stance against real life money trading. Most players support such a stance, and Anet does prosecute cases. So, don't come crying to us if they catch and ban you. |
But the idea of the level economic playing field you mention is apparently not an opinion held world wide. Based on what I've read in these forums over the years, MMOs that let you buy power ups with real money are very popular in the Asian gaming markets.
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As an amendment to my original post...I do have to mostly agree with those who criticize new players for paying others to help you do content you haven't mastered yet. That seems like it would get in the way of learning how to play the game and make you a poor team mate.
And you don't really need to outfit heroes beyond using the drops you get. It helps, but having decent bars that work well together for the task at hand is far more important.
AngelWJedi
for the buy of runs in such ingame with golds i dont see the issue. in the end it isnt YOUR acc. its someone elses. if they wanna shell out xxx of gold for a run then let them it isnt harming you. and if it is i wanna see how it does "hurt" your game play.
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You are not afraid of them jacking your account because if they do, they don't get paid. You still have control over your email account and you can change your game password immediately after getting GWAMM. Furthermore, the cost of an account is pennies to you.
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lemming
You're painfully naive if you actually think Anet actively bans accounts because they're being used by more than one person.
pingu666
i guess if your motivated towards gwamm, then having some random farm for you, and rep grind would be rather tempting
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Taking the case of the unemployed 14 years old versus the employed busy 40 years old vice president of a successful company with 4 kids. Who has more time to spend in the game? Probably the 14 years old, but isn't this unfair to the vice president? Afterall, computer games are suppose to ignore real life situations right? But do they?
Just because the 40 years old vice president worked hard and became successful in real life doesn't imply that he now has to suck in every MMO from now on, or does it?
Face it, most MMO successes are based on "real-world" time that you can effort to play the game. This is because most of them are based on grind, if I have 500 years of totally free time to do my own stuff without worrying about food, bills, and responsibilities, I am sure that I can bring all my 16 characters to GWAMM status. Of course it is an exaggeration but you get the message.
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So what happens if you let someone else do everything for you? What do you do next? Pay someone to do it all over again?
That's my biggest problem. People, if they do this sort of thing, get their GWAMM, but then what? You paid someone to get it, so you just leave the game and not care about it anymore? Honestly, if you can't play the game, why spend money just so you can continue NOT playing? Are people so ignorant to think that perhaps your "help" could scam you? |
Even if you DO play this game yourself and grind for every title, what's next?
Obviously there are still people who want GWAMM, whether they paid for it or get it themselves.
Iuris
Daesu, don't you think this thread has shown quite well that most people here don't think as you do and are happy that Anet doesn't either?
You have games where you work hard for your 100 gold while wearing old leather armor, and can at the same time see people in glowing golden plate that can only be purchased in the game shop, flashing around thousands of gold they bought in the game shop for items you would like to buy.
You have games where you don't have a game shop offering this, but you do have hard working bots selling farmed gold to players, and you know that in order to buy an item, you have to farm for days to earn that much gold. And you might even realize that if they weren't allowed, you'd only have to farm for hours, since prices would be lower if there weren't as much gold farmed.
You have football games where you're allowed to buy players, but not judges.
Guess what? I don't play those games.
Anet got MANY things right in GW1 that I liked, and only a few that I don't like, and even those were only mildly annoying. That's why I like GW, that's why I play it and that's why I have faith in Anet that they'll make a GOOD game for us in the form of GW2.
Accept it already: Anet doesn't want you doing what you'd like to do according to this thread, and they'll devote some attention to preventing you from doing so. You might not get caught, but don't pretend not to know that you could have got caught. A few people might agree and buy your services, but most of the rest of us won't and will despise those people and you. Now accept it and go do your dirty deeds and be happy we don't know your IGN.
You have games where you work hard for your 100 gold while wearing old leather armor, and can at the same time see people in glowing golden plate that can only be purchased in the game shop, flashing around thousands of gold they bought in the game shop for items you would like to buy.
You have games where you don't have a game shop offering this, but you do have hard working bots selling farmed gold to players, and you know that in order to buy an item, you have to farm for days to earn that much gold. And you might even realize that if they weren't allowed, you'd only have to farm for hours, since prices would be lower if there weren't as much gold farmed.
You have football games where you're allowed to buy players, but not judges.
Guess what? I don't play those games.
Anet got MANY things right in GW1 that I liked, and only a few that I don't like, and even those were only mildly annoying. That's why I like GW, that's why I play it and that's why I have faith in Anet that they'll make a GOOD game for us in the form of GW2.
Accept it already: Anet doesn't want you doing what you'd like to do according to this thread, and they'll devote some attention to preventing you from doing so. You might not get caught, but don't pretend not to know that you could have got caught. A few people might agree and buy your services, but most of the rest of us won't and will despise those people and you. Now accept it and go do your dirty deeds and be happy we don't know your IGN.
majoho
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Learn to read.
Dicussing if people would really pay for such services if they are rich, or offer such services, based on a news article is perfectly legitimate. http://nexgadget.com/2011/04/09/worl...-real-economy/ |