Proposal to add an expiration date to armbraces...
how it works....
30 days after an armbrace is obtained it is customized to a players account
the timer will fresh start to pre-existing armbraces when the update goes live
after 30 days armbraces cannot be sold, traded to other players or dropped but still can be redeemed for tormented weapons
timer will also apply to gems but 90 days
reason
to be consistent with anets current stance (medals of honor for example)
Add an Expiration Date to Armbraces
melissa b
Kosar The Cruel
This sounds like a great idea! It's not like Armbraces are used for really high-end trades or anything!
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Scars
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reason
to be consistent with anets current stance (medals of honor for example) |
Dewshine Wildclaw
xD
part of me would sorta love this, but only because I know I will never have any and as such I'll never get the really high end stuff and my selfishness would rejoice in the anger it would cause those that work on that level of trades.
However I'll be nice to those seeing most of them prolly worked their way there, and trading and gaining ingame riches seems to be their way to enjoy the game. Something I don't quite understand, but thats alright.
So although this would not affect me at all I will /notsign (sorry)
part of me would sorta love this, but only because I know I will never have any and as such I'll never get the really high end stuff and my selfishness would rejoice in the anger it would cause those that work on that level of trades.
However I'll be nice to those seeing most of them prolly worked their way there, and trading and gaining ingame riches seems to be their way to enjoy the game. Something I don't quite understand, but thats alright.
So although this would not affect me at all I will /notsign (sorry)
tacotown
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to be consistent with anets current stance (medals of honor for example) |
now think about who you'd anger by making them untradeable on a 30 day timer. imagine someone who enjoys collecting in-game wealth (let's say s/he's got a stack of armbraces) coming back from a 90 day hiatus from GW.
i don't quite understand what you mean by anet's current stance, but your proposal seems like it would anger alot of people without any real necessity to 'fix' the problem of consistency.
Eragon Zarroc
we should make it to were all your money in your storage can only be spent at merchants after 30 days as well. so that you can't trade it to other players. 
locking items to a players account so they cannot trade them away, even if that is the entire reason they farmed them in the 1st place, is ridiculous.
locking items to a players account so they cannot trade them away, even if that is the entire reason they farmed them in the 1st place, is ridiculous.
Wabo
/signed.
Perfect opportunity to get rid of the existing dupers out there, who did not get caught and did not have their accounts banned. Like come'on, howmany people did [(farm --> you must have no live)] receive/gather/collect/w.e 1 stack of Armbraces legitmately? not to mention there are people with maybe 10, 20+ stacks.
And to be honest, what is the point of having 1 stack of armbraces? That is
23 x 250 ectos = 5750 Ectos x 7.5k = 43 million gold coins. Each other stack adds up another 43 million.
Compared to these people, I'm not a very rich player myself, with about 1 million in gold coins. Since I have unlocked/completed everything in Guild Wars and have no further important goals, there is no further purpose for me of playing any more. ''Then why are you still playing omgg go uninstall omagaaddd????? --> Well mostly because I'm bored, to help out friends and guildies and to PvP (Which ANet spends way to little attention to).''
The point I'm making is, what purpose would there be for players with 1-10 stacks of Armbraces? Those people must have most certainly completed EVERYTHING, but really EVERYTHING in-game, by themselves or by other people(since they have enough wealth to finance it). It isn't like you can bring your wealth from GW1 to GW2 (thank god), apart from titles.
I know some people may find powertrading/trading a fun way of making money. I used to enjoy it myself to improve my skills, not just in-game but it can also help outside of the game. But comeon, how is this still fun with 50+ ecto stacks sitting in your storage? You basically ''cannot'' do ''anything'' with it, since there are only a few high-end high valued weapons in-game. I don't expect people buying 30 BDS's, 40 gold insc Crystalline swords and 50 Obby edges. The most, rich and wealthy, people that I have met we're to selfish to share their ''hard-earned'' wealth with their guildies, maybe even friends. Therefore, with the time-limit on these items, people should reconsider, be more friendly and start giving out, instead of stacking up so that all other people will have a chance of having atleast 1 rare high-end weapon. Instead of a few people stacking up nearly all the high-end weapons.
P.S --> Can't wait for all the flamers to burn me down to the ground, woop woop!
Perfect opportunity to get rid of the existing dupers out there, who did not get caught and did not have their accounts banned. Like come'on, howmany people did [(farm --> you must have no live)] receive/gather/collect/w.e 1 stack of Armbraces legitmately? not to mention there are people with maybe 10, 20+ stacks.
And to be honest, what is the point of having 1 stack of armbraces? That is
23 x 250 ectos = 5750 Ectos x 7.5k = 43 million gold coins. Each other stack adds up another 43 million.
Compared to these people, I'm not a very rich player myself, with about 1 million in gold coins. Since I have unlocked/completed everything in Guild Wars and have no further important goals, there is no further purpose for me of playing any more. ''Then why are you still playing omgg go uninstall omagaaddd????? --> Well mostly because I'm bored, to help out friends and guildies and to PvP (Which ANet spends way to little attention to).''
The point I'm making is, what purpose would there be for players with 1-10 stacks of Armbraces? Those people must have most certainly completed EVERYTHING, but really EVERYTHING in-game, by themselves or by other people(since they have enough wealth to finance it). It isn't like you can bring your wealth from GW1 to GW2 (thank god), apart from titles.
I know some people may find powertrading/trading a fun way of making money. I used to enjoy it myself to improve my skills, not just in-game but it can also help outside of the game. But comeon, how is this still fun with 50+ ecto stacks sitting in your storage? You basically ''cannot'' do ''anything'' with it, since there are only a few high-end high valued weapons in-game. I don't expect people buying 30 BDS's, 40 gold insc Crystalline swords and 50 Obby edges. The most, rich and wealthy, people that I have met we're to selfish to share their ''hard-earned'' wealth with their guildies, maybe even friends. Therefore, with the time-limit on these items, people should reconsider, be more friendly and start giving out, instead of stacking up so that all other people will have a chance of having atleast 1 rare high-end weapon. Instead of a few people stacking up nearly all the high-end weapons.
P.S --> Can't wait for all the flamers to burn me down to the ground, woop woop!
Lord Dagon
/notsigned.
this would make high end trading nearly impossible and would make things like pandas and island guardians not really possible to obtain.
so absoultly no.
this would make high end trading nearly impossible and would make things like pandas and island guardians not really possible to obtain.
so absoultly no.
soli
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Originally Posted by melissa b
30 days after an armbrace is obtained it is customized to a players account
the timer will fresh start to pre-existing armbraces when the update goes live after 30 days armbraces cannot be sold, traded to other players or dropped but still can be redeemed for tormented weapons timer will also apply to gems but 90 days |
Let's say, someone buys 50 armbraces on one day - each one will have a different "age" - resulting in 50 individual inventory spaces
...Hell, given the amount of "troll-per-line" I first thought this was Phoenix Tears' 2nd account.... but... naaaaah, not enough wall of text
cheape arie
Creative idea, I haven't seen anything like this before .
But, do we really have to take this serious and /sign or /not sign?
.But, do we really have to take this serious and /sign or /not sign?
Xsiriss
Is this meant to counter elitism? Because there's next to no way to do that really.
/doabarrellroll
/doabarrellroll
Slaphead Monk
/notsigned,
what a terrible idea, how will people buy/sell items worth > 1750e? that would essentially crash the entire market.
Also this wont hurt the dupers more than it will hurt the many players who actually trade in armbraces
and as for gems... what about us trenchway players who dont convert our gems to armbraces right away? many of my guildies have a stack or so of each gem, why should they be forced to convert it to an armbrace and then have to sell it on or make a tormented weapon within another 30 days or they essentially lose all the money they put the effort into attaining?
Seriously, what a horrible idea.... good trolling, though.
what a terrible idea, how will people buy/sell items worth > 1750e? that would essentially crash the entire market.
Also this wont hurt the dupers more than it will hurt the many players who actually trade in armbraces
and as for gems... what about us trenchway players who dont convert our gems to armbraces right away? many of my guildies have a stack or so of each gem, why should they be forced to convert it to an armbrace and then have to sell it on or make a tormented weapon within another 30 days or they essentially lose all the money they put the effort into attaining?
Seriously, what a horrible idea.... good trolling, though.
Kook~NBK~
There is no expiration date on birthday cupcakes - which I'm sure get very stale & hard sitting around in an inventory bag. There is no expiration date on Creme Brule - which I would imagine would get smelly and mouldy if not consumed right away. Another amazing thing to me is that Hecket/Amphibian Tongues don't become maggot infested and stinky when kept in storage. And Dwarven Ale - It may keep for a long time being in sealed bottles and kegs, but eventually it will go stale.
THOSE are the kinds of things that should have expiration dates. NOT!
THOSE are the kinds of things that should have expiration dates. NOT!
MithranArkanere
They should have been untradeable like Medals of Honor since day 1 (people having to trade the gems instead), but they are not, so it's too late to change that now.
If they changed them so they become untradeable like Zaishen Coins and Medals of honor, I wouldn't be against it, but it's probably not going to happen.
But expiration dates? That makes no sense. Something must be either tradeable or not, regardless of time. In GW, you should be able to leave for whatever the reason and go back without worries.
If they changed them so they become untradeable like Zaishen Coins and Medals of honor, I wouldn't be against it, but it's probably not going to happen.
But expiration dates? That makes no sense. Something must be either tradeable or not, regardless of time. In GW, you should be able to leave for whatever the reason and go back without worries.
Tshedd31
getting a stack of armbraces really isn't that diffcult if you think about it. good doa guilds can consistently get under 1h full runs so you could easily do 2 or more runs in a night which if you alternate starting points properly is an armbrace +1 gemset right there in 2hours of gw. so a stack is only like 475 ish hours (19 days) of non-stop doa.
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RedDog91
Better yet,
lets make it to where every item in the game is customized to your character to moment you acquire it.
It will be consistent with anets current stance (armor).
/notsigned.
lets make it to where every item in the game is customized to your character to moment you acquire it.
It will be consistent with anets current stance (armor).
/notsigned.
Tharg
another example of how some people in today's society want to control other peoples' lives. What do YOU care about how other people play a computer game if it does not affect how YOU play that game??? So some people have a ton of armbraces in their inventory. Or ectos. Or fancy weapons. Or rare minis. What is it to you? Get it into your head that as long as we all have the ability to get the same maximum spec weapons it does not mean anything. Nobody has the right to be happy - you only have the right to pursue happiness.
For full disclosure, I am not a power trader nor do I have any armbrace, just a few hundred ectos and just a few rare minis.
For full disclosure, I am not a power trader nor do I have any armbrace, just a few hundred ectos and just a few rare minis.
akelarumi
I want to use this post to call ambraces evil devices of nazi's and call upon the mighty powers of Godwin's law.
cosyfiep
not everyone is using these for high end stuff...my husband and I are getting our gems slowly and painfully (we have a few of each type each)....its a 'huh?' idea at best.
and this would only make people hoard more ectos instead (unless the OP has figured out how to dupe those).
so /not signed
and this would only make people hoard more ectos instead (unless the OP has figured out how to dupe those).
so /not signed
Pugs Not Drugs
i have always wondered how people got stacks of ambraces. honestly, any way i do the math, i cant see it taking under 500 hours of farming, and that is if everything goes perfectly every run, and you can do about 1.5 doa clears an hour (30 gems), so it would probably take a lot more time.
unless they get this wealth thru minis or somethign
/notsigned on op btw, dont see the point
unless they get this wealth thru minis or somethign
/notsigned on op btw, dont see the point
Deviant Angel
It's way too late in the game to make a change like this. Anet should have made them untradable from the start if that's how they wanted them to be. Hell, they probably could have done something like this after the first major duping incident without upsetting too many people. I'm not saying I like your suggestion, but there was a time when it could have worked and that time passed a long time ago.
Can you imagine taking a break from GW and then returning to find out that the stack of armbraces you were saving for something turned into a stack of tormented weapons that you need to sell? Tormented weapons have been pretty easy to acquire for a while now. They will be worthless when millions of them are dumped into an already saturated market. Imagine selling them without a broker or auctioneer. Do you really think your suggestion would be good for the game?
Some items are rare enough to be worth more than a trade window full of ectos and there are people that can afford to buy them without duping. Get over it.
/not signed
What's next? Resurrecting the good ol' "ectos should be untradable" argument? *gasp* Paying more than 100k for an item is insanity!
Can you imagine taking a break from GW and then returning to find out that the stack of armbraces you were saving for something turned into a stack of tormented weapons that you need to sell? Tormented weapons have been pretty easy to acquire for a while now. They will be worthless when millions of them are dumped into an already saturated market. Imagine selling them without a broker or auctioneer. Do you really think your suggestion would be good for the game?
Some items are rare enough to be worth more than a trade window full of ectos and there are people that can afford to buy them without duping. Get over it.
/not signed
What's next? Resurrecting the good ol' "ectos should be untradable" argument? *gasp* Paying more than 100k for an item is insanity!
Shayne Hawke
An "expiration date" isn't really the right word for what you're suggesting, I think. That would be more like the armbraces outright disappearing from players' inventories after some amount of time, which would be ludicrous for obvious reasons.
As for customizing them after some amount of time, I would rather it be that they're just outright customized from the start, but since they are currently being used as an item for extremely high-end trades, it would break a lot of things to just say that these items are now locked in place. If ANet was going to make such a change, they should at least say, "Hey, we're going to start customizing armbraces in X days, so get rid of them if you're not interested in using them on Tormented Weapons!"
Actually, even doing that much would probably break stuff, so it's probably unavoidable to leave them be.
As for customizing them after some amount of time, I would rather it be that they're just outright customized from the start, but since they are currently being used as an item for extremely high-end trades, it would break a lot of things to just say that these items are now locked in place. If ANet was going to make such a change, they should at least say, "Hey, we're going to start customizing armbraces in X days, so get rid of them if you're not interested in using them on Tormented Weapons!"
Actually, even doing that much would probably break stuff, so it's probably unavoidable to leave them be.
yitjuan
only if they do this to ectos , rare materials , rubies, sapphires, diamonds, minipets, and zaishen keys.
Missing HB
/notsigned , it's too late to do it . It would have probably been a good idea in the past to make all ambrances dedicated to avoid some item prices ,but it's pointless now...
Bright Star Shine
Lol, really? I thought I saw the stupidest idea when I read the part about being able to buy yourself into Pre-searing through the in game shop...
Either this is the worst troll ever or you're actually this stupid.
What exactly would this accomplish? Except armbraces going virtually worthless overnight because everyone is trying to get rid of them..
I smell an obvious troll, or someone so jealous he's dressed up like an obvious troll..
/notsigned out of pure logic
Either this is the worst troll ever or you're actually this stupid.
What exactly would this accomplish? Except armbraces going virtually worthless overnight because everyone is trying to get rid of them..
I smell an obvious troll, or someone so jealous he's dressed up like an obvious troll..
/notsigned out of pure logic
sirblack
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What does the non-tradable aspect of Medals actually accomplish for the game that would make it worthwhile to apply to Armbraces? You need to explain how this idea would make the game better, and it needs to be better in a way that would surpass all the trouble this would cause for people who have stocks of Armbraces and use them for high-value trading.
Bellatrixa
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timer will also apply to gems but 90 days
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From a coding aspect you'd have to determine where the 24 hour expiration was, do so much coding for each gem type and expiration, also recoding the NPCs to accept all gems of different expirations...
No offence, but every idea you've posted in Sardelac seems to have half-assed thinking. In practice what you're asking is a hell of a lot of work on the devs side and for what? A load of pissed off players who in some cases have to grind DoA all day for an armbrace? Let's not forget that not all DoA runs finish either. Yes, there are people who can SC in very short times, the majority of the player base cannot. Them being able to buy armbraces means that they are benefitting from those who can supply them while not having to join a SC team. A lot of guilds and alliances are willing to teach SCs. If you want to earn your own armbraces super-fast, join one of those guilds or start your own.
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Lithril Ashwalker
wow really?! shutdown the economy i think not!!!
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Swingline
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/notsigned. this would make high end trading nearly impossible and would make things like pandas and island guardians not really possible to obtain. so absoultly no. |
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Armbraces should have been custo'd since day 1 but ANet wont implement it now since they would get an ear full from DoA nerds who sc it everyday. I for one wouldnt mind seeing it happen since there are people who didnt get caught dupping them.
Hobbs
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release them as drops with same skin but different names at the very least.
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Don't think that skin is all that matters, high end traders care about more than that.
Bright Star Shine
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Hardly, armbraces are used for high end trades only dealing with high end minis and extremely rare weapons.
Armbraces should have been custo'd since day 1 but ANet wont implement it now since they would get an ear full from DoA nerds who sc it everyday. I for one wouldnt mind seeing it happen since there are people who didnt get caught dupping them. |
Well, it would make gemsets a lot more expensive if you let them be tradable.
Farming DoA would only be useful if you needed a Torment weapon. Hence people that already have torment weapons in their HoM, or do not care of such wouldn't farm DoA anymore. Hence, DoA would be even more dead than before the bastard child Glaiveway was born.
And I fully agree with the last thing Bellatrixa said..
chaosincarnate87
I fail to see how this is going to actually help anyone... take this into consideration... all the armbraces right now that are bulk help to keep that market value of them down so the poorer people that bitch about all the rich people can get their weapons... if the arms become customized then after the first month the bulk goes away and the only way for people to buy arms are from farmers who will gouge everyone for as much as they can get... so then armbrace prices can go up again, poor people can have something else to bitch about... so why not cut out the middle man, let them invest their time into gw2 and just leave things be the way they are? just remember, the REAL WORLD won't adapt to all of your bitching, you need to adapt to the way it is, just take it as a good lesson in life and learn to adapt and play the game, don't bitch til they make the game fit you.
melissa b
Well this has turned into a discussion of nerfing the super wealthy. So I'll say it can help the game economy by reducing inflation caused by players willing to spend more money due to it be aquired too fast or it wasn't earned.
1. Reduce unearned wealth...Unpunished dupers as well as people that indirectly benefited by buying armbraces super cheap or selling their minis for way more than their value to dupers. Or buying rare minis that were dupe produced for cheaper.
2. Reduce DOA speed clear profitability which provides an unbalanced reward to play time ratio.
1. Reduce unearned wealth...Unpunished dupers as well as people that indirectly benefited by buying armbraces super cheap or selling their minis for way more than their value to dupers. Or buying rare minis that were dupe produced for cheaper.
2. Reduce DOA speed clear profitability which provides an unbalanced reward to play time ratio.
cosyfiep
It would just make the wealthy put their money into something else. They will ALWAYS have the wealth and would know to move it over to something else if something like that were implemented.
as for doa--it would probably lessen the amount of people doing it, thus HURTING the game more than anything else.
Its just not a good idea--and I dont see anything even close to it ever being implemented.
as for doa--it would probably lessen the amount of people doing it, thus HURTING the game more than anything else.
Its just not a good idea--and I dont see anything even close to it ever being implemented.
Bellatrixa
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1. Reduce unearned wealth...Unpunished dupers as well as people that indirectly benefited by buying armbraces super cheap or selling their minis for way more than their value to dupers. Or buying rare minis that were dupe produced for cheaper.
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1. Rollback the server to when we think the duping started (not accurate and also harming those who legitimately earned the items)
2. Delete those items across the game database (again, unfair on those who earned them legitimately)
3. Wipe all game data and force everyone to start over (easy to work out what the downside of that is).
Now with Guild Wars being a game that people paid money into, I don't think they're going to want option 3. Option 2 would piss a LOT of people off and cause many players to quit. Option 1 is the least harmful out of those 3.
Fact of the matter is that it was a horrible situation to have happen but the options to fix it weren't amazing either. That's not me kissing ANet's arse, just saying how it's a really tricky situation to deal with from my personal experience. Sadly that ship has sailed now and yes, the economy isn't amazing, but it could be a LOT worse.
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lemming
Socialism is bad.
Lasai
It is far too late to address armbrace duping, it should have been done at the time.
Making suggestions now is tilting at windmills.
Making suggestions now is tilting at windmills.
Bright Star Shine
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Well this has turned into a discussion of nerfing the super wealthy. So I'll say it can help the game economy by reducing inflation caused by players willing to spend more money due to it be aquired too fast or it wasn't earned.
1. Reduce unearned wealth...Unpunished dupers as well as people that indirectly benefited by buying armbraces super cheap or selling their minis for way more than their value to dupers. Or buying rare minis that were dupe produced for cheaper. |
Being moderately poor will make you strive for being richer, thus giving you a purpose. Being moderately rich will make you strive to be a bit richer to be able to buy the high end items you are just a little bit too poor for to buy.
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If someone does a 28min UWSC and gets a mini dhuum, his reward/time ratio is so high that I want mini Dhuum to be removed from the UW chest, because I don't make as much money compared to him doing DoASC. See the logic? Yah, me neither.
If you don't like the ratio at which we make money, why not try to do DoASC yourself, instead of doing DwG?
To be honest, the biggest influx of new armbraces is due to the incredibly large player base that does DwG DoA. The ratio at which each individual makes them is so retardedly slow, but they are with so many that the armbraces we make soon seem redundant. If you want armbraces to be worth more, DwG is the thing that should be nerfed, not the SC.
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Khukuri
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M3G
Add an "expiration date" to your account.
Pay every 30 days to extend it.
/not signed
Pay every 30 days to extend it.
/not signed