For people that haven't heard there is a link to an image that looks like an imageshack link which takes record of your I.P. Once the "Serbs" have that, somehow they are able to know whose IP is whose and disconnect players at their will via a DDoS attack.
With that brief overview and some wiki'ing of DDoS you are probably curious where this is taking place.
Earlier this week an unknown guild Dont Mess With The Serbian [Don] won the highly competitive American aT. The reason behind this was due to dc's. Little did anyone know the dc's were caused by those players.
I know the first round of bans have come about, however with the mAT tomorrow, they can still decide indirectly who wins what match and ultimately receives the coveted May Gold Trim.
I figured I would post this here because of known presence of Guild Wars I live team on this subforum and if/what/how they are addressing this.
DDoS attacks (GvG mAT issues?)
bursta91
deluxe
Restart your routers, change your IP adresses. Keep fingers crossed that keeps them off your tail...
Nilator
That is wild...
Forcing DC's to win Tournament reward points?
People step to some pretty low levels to win stupid stuff.
And btw, these people would have much better success if they, say, I don't know, did something useful with their skills and disconnect anyone who tries to upload Justin Bieber to youtube.
Forcing DC's to win Tournament reward points?
People step to some pretty low levels to win stupid stuff.
And btw, these people would have much better success if they, say, I don't know, did something useful with their skills and disconnect anyone who tries to upload Justin Bieber to youtube.
Elnino
Yea I have noticed this too while watching on obs. Their mesmer is also reliably interrupting fast-casted skills.
deluxe
This goes way beyond botting, these are illegal activities in most countries.
I hope ANET can adress these issues and perma ban everyone in this guild, and every IP adress that was in it.
These players should never ever be allowed to play guildwars again, neither on secondary accounts.
It is very dangerous to have such players messing around with other people's connections.
I hope ANET can adress these issues and perma ban everyone in this guild, and every IP adress that was in it.
These players should never ever be allowed to play guildwars again, neither on secondary accounts.
It is very dangerous to have such players messing around with other people's connections.
Aba
This is interesting....
Im more interested as to how these people are going about getting a hold of these individual IP's
More info regarding DDOs for those who do not know about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack
Im more interested as to how these people are going about getting a hold of these individual IP's
More info regarding DDOs for those who do not know about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack
Elnino
From what I've heard, they got the top players IP's by sending them a URL with an image of a necro in RA.
Mesmers Are Bad
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This goes way beyond botting, these are illegal activities in most countries.
I hope ANET can adress these issues and perma ban everyone in this guild, and every IP adress that was in it. These players should never ever be allowed to play guildwars again, neither on secondary accounts. It is very dangerous to have such players messing around with other people's connections. |
byteme!
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This goes way beyond botting, these are illegal activities in most countries.
I hope ANET can adress these issues and perma ban everyone in this guild, and every IP adress that was in it. These players should never ever be allowed to play guildwars again, neither on secondary accounts. It is very dangerous to have such players messing around with other people's connections. |
Aba
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Either way, Cheating in a game I can careless when your doing it on ur own closed system .......but when you take it online and influence other players gaming experience You have taken it to far.
xhappy feetx
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From what I've heard, they got the top players IP's by sending them a URL with an image of a necro in RA.
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Anet is dealing with the guild but I would recommend all affected to take the needed precautions.
Chthon
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This is interesting....
Im more interested as to how these people are going about getting a hold of these individual IP's More info regarding DDOs for those who do not know about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack |
(Now if only I could convince Taurun that this situation is marginally but unequivocally better than simply telling the Serbian your IP, that would settle a different, slightly related, argument...)
Spiritz
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OP explained it. The image is on a server that they own/control. When someone views it, they have to download it first, and that leaves a record in the server logs. The tricky part is getting the person to view the image in the first place. Just posting it on forums or something will not tell you if the desired person saw it. You'd have to do a forum PM or e-mail directed to the one person whose IP you want to learn. So, there's a clue as to who's doing it and how to protect yourself: personal communications from unknown Serbians should be deleted unread (and possibly reported to a-net and/or local authorities if they care about minor cybercrime).
(Now if only I could convince Taurun that this situation is marginally but unequivocally better than simply telling the Serbian your IP, that would settle a different, slightly related, argument...) |
Im not going into details but anyone who have done thier on website , used cpanel etc will follow what i mean and if you look at me all i am in comparison to a hacker is im nothing - i only know a lil bit of webhosting etc and thats the end of what i know.But getting the ips is even possible for me because theres so many simple ways without going into the realms of hackers and ip sniffers etc.
Its sad where theres a game for enjoyment and theres people who seem to have the intelligence to hack but seem to lack intelligence to be able to play the game at all without hacking.
hattara
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Actually in webhosting ( or to say having your own website ) a visitor doesnt even have to download anything - when a person visits the website their ip can be found so easily via cpanel etc.
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kedde
The logical step is for someone with thourough knowledge of this to set up a stickied thread on how to possibly protect yourself against it. Change IP etc.
Killed u man
There are alot more interesting ways to get people's IP's than through some image link. QQ forums, for example, would be an enormous database containing pretty much every top GvG player's IP from their latest posting.
The fact they're using the image method makes me believe they themselves haven't got a clue what they're doing, and just followed the first "How to DDoS someone" guide on the internet.
As for protecting yourself against it:
There is some protection you can take (afaik) by shutting down certain microsoft service and closing ports, but if it were that easy, major websites wouldn't get ddos'd.
In other words: there isn't a waterproof protection against ddos'ing, if there were it wouldn't be such a widely known phenomena.
The fact they're using the image method makes me believe they themselves haven't got a clue what they're doing, and just followed the first "How to DDoS someone" guide on the internet.
As for protecting yourself against it:
There is some protection you can take (afaik) by shutting down certain microsoft service and closing ports, but if it were that easy, major websites wouldn't get ddos'd.
In other words: there isn't a waterproof protection against ddos'ing, if there were it wouldn't be such a widely known phenomena.
Still Number One
Apparently some people affected by this have changed their IP's and still have been getting DoS. Also, A.Net apparently banned them but they came back with a new guild, and new accounts. Also, some players who clicked their link claim to have been banned as well. So apparently changing your IP address doesn't work, banning them hasn't kept them away, and A.Net has been consistent with banning innocent players who were victims to this attack.
Do people really have this terrible of a social life that they have to attack other people just to win in a 6 year old game?
Do people really have this terrible of a social life that they have to attack other people just to win in a 6 year old game?
God Amongst Many Mortals
This is BS i have played them manny times and beat them a few. They have a mes bot but this DC seems to go a bit far, it was very common for teams to not make it into AT's because there is a very short connection time out to aviod cheating. sorry but this is just you sulking after being beating or losing...
deluxe
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Originally Posted by God Amongst Many Mortals
This is BS i have played them manny times and beat them a few. They have a mes bot but this DC seems to go a bit far, it was very common for teams to not make it into AT's because there is a very short connection time out to aviod cheating. sorry but this is just you sulking after being beating or losing...
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I'm sure anet went trough chatlogs etc to see what was going on.
They won't just randomly perma people.
Yes, I know there were some innocents hit with the ban because they linked the url to others.
Artisan Archer
Ddos attacks during the mAT continued. At least 2 players were dc'ed in the first round due to it.
ErrantVenture
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Ddos attacks during the mAT continued. At least 2 players were dc'ed in the first round due to it.
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Killed u man
People have been DC'ing during mAT's since the start. It's amazing how only recently the GvG community smelled something was off.
Divine Slaya
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People have been DC'ing during mAT's since the start. It's amazing how only recently the GvG community smelled something was off.
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Like many people posting in this thread, I was very skeptical myself when it started happening to my guild. After a week of dealing with the same reoccurring internet connectivity issues at "convenient" times during AT's, it became obvious that foul play was involved.
I was able to change my IP and have not been targeted since then. Whether or not it has worked, it's unfortunate that there are many people that live on campuses or apartment complexes that are unable to change their IP.
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This applies for a class action law suit.
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CE Devilman
anybody got a link to the official statement..!
are U sure its not just the pvp+event its making the lag spike..!
9 rings afk´s and cupcake farmers..oh and 6th years tonic
hell..got 2 007 kicks in rata sum a day ago..and all D1 rata sum..and alliance.
to play high end pvp is just a bad ide right now.
even now it takes time to map out.
are U sure its not just the pvp+event its making the lag spike..!
9 rings afk´s and cupcake farmers..oh and 6th years tonic
hell..got 2 007 kicks in rata sum a day ago..and all D1 rata sum..and alliance.
to play high end pvp is just a bad ide right now.
even now it takes time to map out.
UnicornStampede
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anybody got a link to the official statement..!
are U sure its not just the pvp+event its making the lag spike..! 9 rings afk´s and cupcake farmers..oh and 6th years tonic hell..got 2 007 kicks in rata sum a day ago..and all D1 rata sum..and alliance. to play high end pvp is just a bad ide right now. |
Divine Slaya
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Originally Posted by CE Devilman
anybody got a link to the official statement..!
are U sure its not just the pvp+event its making the lag spike..! 9 rings afk´s and cupcake farmers..oh and 6th years tonic hell..got 2 007 kicks in rata sum a day ago..and all D1 rata sum..and alliance. to play high end pvp is just a bad ide right now. even now it takes time to map out. |
CE Devilman
link to the official statement that GW got a Ddos.
If all of your friends jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you? If you happen to be a lemming, unfortunately, the answer is a resounding "YES."
If all of your friends jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you? If you happen to be a lemming, unfortunately, the answer is a resounding "YES."
Divine Slaya
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link to the official statement that GW got a Ddos.
If all of your friends jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you? If you happen to be a lemming, unfortunately, the answer is a resounding "YES." |
LifeInfusion
I don't know if the DDOS is based off static IPs (cable), but if you reset your router and your ISP uses PPPoE (FiOS, DSL) your IP changes.
It's a big problem for comcast users.
It's a big problem for comcast users.
Divine Slaya
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I don't know if the DDOS is based off static IPs (cable), but if you reset your router and your ISP uses PPPoE (FiOS, DSL) your IP changes.
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jamal555
and as always if u really want to be safe from ddos attacks... get some proper router that can sense and ban addresses attacks are coming from...
its really common sense in todays world...
and lets face it, before u tell me that u cannot defend against every ddos attack out there...
true, but think who is attacking you and at what lvl of knowhow...
kids that play gw dont have skills to pull of sophisticated attacks like the ones cnn or sony etc are getting hit by...
so... any moderate 40$ firewall or old unused pc that can run linux can be setup to defend u against those kinds of attacks...
so if its really true what u say about ddos taking place atm at mat... not really that i noticed but ok... well wait for the finals and find out...
u must agree with me that if no1 dc's in the top 8 final matches that theory has no ground and its a empty qq...
and btw... ppl dc every day in HA... every day i get atleast 7-8 dc's from ppl in my party... random ppl, random countries, random times... mostly at the start at zaishen...
omg... zaishen are ddos-ing us... anet doesnt want anyone else to get r15... what do e do... what do we do... its the end we are all doomed... qq more...
its really common sense in todays world...
and lets face it, before u tell me that u cannot defend against every ddos attack out there...
true, but think who is attacking you and at what lvl of knowhow...
kids that play gw dont have skills to pull of sophisticated attacks like the ones cnn or sony etc are getting hit by...
so... any moderate 40$ firewall or old unused pc that can run linux can be setup to defend u against those kinds of attacks...
so if its really true what u say about ddos taking place atm at mat... not really that i noticed but ok... well wait for the finals and find out...
u must agree with me that if no1 dc's in the top 8 final matches that theory has no ground and its a empty qq...
and btw... ppl dc every day in HA... every day i get atleast 7-8 dc's from ppl in my party... random ppl, random countries, random times... mostly at the start at zaishen...
omg... zaishen are ddos-ing us... anet doesnt want anyone else to get r15... what do e do... what do we do... its the end we are all doomed... qq more...
Nekodesu
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Originally Posted by jamal555
and as always if u really want to be safe from ddos attacks... get some proper router that can sense and ban addresses attacks are coming from...
its really common sense in todays world... and lets face it, before u tell me that u cannot defend against every ddos attack out there... true, but think who is attacking you and at what lvl of knowhow... kids that play gw dont have skills to pull of sophisticated attacks like the ones cnn or sony etc are getting hit by... so... any moderate 40$ firewall or old unused pc that can run linux can be setup to defend u against those kinds of attacks... so if its really true what u say about ddos taking place atm at mat... not really that i noticed but ok... well wait for the finals and find out... u must agree with me that if no1 dc's in the top 8 final matches that theory has no ground and its a empty qq... and btw... ppl dc every day in HA... every day i get atleast 7-8 dc's from ppl in my party... random ppl, random countries, random times... mostly at the start at zaishen... omg... zaishen are ddos-ing us... anet doesnt want anyone else to get r15... what do e do... what do we do... its the end we are all doomed... qq more... |
I think it's pretty serious, you obviously don't? Well, I hope this gets sorted out. And I agree on banning them all, perma bann. Don't mess with dhuum?
FoxBat
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This is BS i have played them manny times and beat them a few.
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LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by Divine Slaya
Every person that I have played with that has been attacked has had a static IP address that cannot be changed with a simple modem/router reset.
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TheGizzy
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A lot of cable users then
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It's obviously not going to work for those on external networks like colleges, apartment complexes, etc. but anyone running on a home network with admin access to the router should be able to do it.
Hells Fury
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I wouldn't expect any legal action to be taken vs this event.
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Originally Posted by TheGizzy
One thing players with router/modem setups can do is to change the MAC address on their router (or their computer if hooked directly into the company-provided modem). This will force the ISP to automatically assign a new IP address to that router/computer.
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don richardos
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Yes, I know there were some innocents hit with the ban because they linked the url to others.
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i link the url into ally chat to check if others had the same, i say'd do not go to this site, still got perma'd..
lets hope they unban the people who got it just by showing a ally/friend what he got, and that they ofc ban/ip ban those people who are trying to DDoS in 2k11 to try and win ladder/at matches (LOL)
xhappy feetx
Don the banned accounts are being looked into don't worry.
Chthon
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and as always if u really want to be safe from ddos attacks... get some proper router that can sense and ban addresses attacks are coming from...
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refer
Can't they just take way the trim and give it to the runner up?
Or, if this is such a problem, will it see widespread use?
Or, if this is such a problem, will it see widespread use?