Some of the new 6th Year tonics are 200+ ectos... What I'm wondering is, why are these tonics even tradeable? They're a 6th Year Anniversary gift to old players, but there are people who come in to the game, play for maybe 6 months, abuse the economy to become insanely rich and buy whatever they want.
The point of a video game is to play it. I'm sick of Arena Net catering to the rich. Almost every high-end or extraordinary item that has come into the game since EOTN is just a bonus for speed clearers or rich people.
6th Year Economist Bonus
shinta_himura
FengShuiDove
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It's the exact same as with any mini. It's a reward for having played for a long time. And in the grand scheme of things, 200e is paltry compared to what you can get just playing the game.
It's the exact same as with any mini. It's a reward for having played for a long time. And in the grand scheme of things, 200e is paltry compared to what you can get just playing the game.
shinta_himura
"It's a reward for having played for a long time."
Exactly. So why does anet give these things to the market?
Exactly. So why does anet give these things to the market?
Stolen Souls
Well, I feel the the price of them will drop...maybe just a bit, but they will drop. There is no use for them in the HoM like there is for minis, plus more people will slowly be getting them over time.
B-day gifts have always been tradeable from the start. If a person has a character for 4...5...6 years, and he/she wants to sell the reward for having a character that old, I say it's their call.
As for Anet catering to rich people/speed clearers...you can always do speed clears, get rich, and then be catered to by Anet. =)
B-day gifts have always been tradeable from the start. If a person has a character for 4...5...6 years, and he/she wants to sell the reward for having a character that old, I say it's their call.
As for Anet catering to rich people/speed clearers...you can always do speed clears, get rich, and then be catered to by Anet. =)
Verene
You know that Anet doesn't set the price for these things and that the players do, right? It's not like they can say "You cannot sell this item for more than 100k" or anything like that.
They'll drop in price - they already are dropping from what they were at Thursday night.
They'll drop in price - they already are dropping from what they were at Thursday night.
Voodoo Rage
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"It's a reward for having played for a long time."
Exactly. So why does anet give these things to the market? |
Also, considering that every birthday they are probably less active players actually getting the "big present" every year, the overall value of the trades is probably no different then it was last year for the 5th year minis.
Essence Snow
Prices are dropping fast...As with every new thing prices are very high at start and will drop. Do NOT buy these items at the high prices unless you have nothing else to spend on as they are only rare for a short amount of time.
Here shortly there will be ppl that will "get stuck" with paying alot for these and have considerable buyers remorse..if they had the intention of making profits off them. They will continue to try for high prices...just know not to buy at them and wait for non-idiot to sell at reg price.
Here shortly there will be ppl that will "get stuck" with paying alot for these and have considerable buyers remorse..if they had the intention of making profits off them. They will continue to try for high prices...just know not to buy at them and wait for non-idiot to sell at reg price.
Black Metal
as stated, prices will drop fast as they don't do anything for the HOM unlike previous minis. Anyways, it's a well-established pattern that ANet will give players a new line of gifts for each year their character has existed. It's up to other players and the economy to assign them whatever price if people want to sell them. You seem a bit butthurt for something you knew was coming and has a justification.
Haxor
It's simple capitalism.
Cool new thing in limited supply.
People want cool new thing.
Limited supply forces price up.
In a year, the greens won't even be 100e. I'm fairly sure of that.
Cool new thing in limited supply.
People want cool new thing.
Limited supply forces price up.
In a year, the greens won't even be 100e. I'm fairly sure of that.
Lasai
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"It's a reward for having played for a long time."
Exactly. So why does anet give these things to the market? |
It's FLUFF. Calm thyself.
Feathermoore Rep
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It's the exact same as with any mini. It's a reward for having played for a long time. And in the grand scheme of things, 200e is paltry compared to what you can get just playing the game. |
Quit trolling. Use moar facts.
Now if you had said that the tonics were given at random just like the previous gifts, and that the random odds of obtaining one that was worth 200e was still left up to chance, I'd give you more credit. However the price base for these tonics are nowhere near the value of the original oldest year/rarest minipets. But all of this can be attributed to new rares being introduced to the game, where the only way to obtain more is to wait for other characters to age and then randomly generate more. The prices of these will go down as market supply increase, but they still will be excessively expensive. Why? beacuse there is simply nothing left to buy in the game to people who have amased x000s of ectos.
Missing HB
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What I'm wondering is, why are these tonics even tradeable?
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Plus , for collectors , i let you imagine the situation : poor guy got 3 times taklora tonic for example , what shall he do ??
Problem is just the months/years of abusive farms recently thanks to some skills and consumables , which lead to incredible prices , that's all....Today , i noticed that ecto is getting the only money and cash isn't really used anymore lol..... People rather merch items worth 4-5k or less , and buy high end items with only ectos...
I used to see people saying " WTS xxx 100k +15e " , now for a few weeks , i'm only seeing " WTS xxx 40e " Why ? Because 100k =14-15e and most players have storage full with 1000k ... And guess how those 1000k are used at when they want to make space.... Buying ectos...
sirblack
Anything that's rare will be valuable and the people with the most money will help set the price. Are you suggesting ANet should never add any other rare items to the game? Everything else they add should always be plentiful and easy to get?
Or do you want to suggest that all rare items and such should be non-tradable? Maybe that works in some cases. But that would rather suck for these latest birthday tonics. If they were non-tradable, then it's all luck. Anyone who gets a cool tonic is lucky, anyone who gets a crappy tonic is screwed, and no one has any way to do anything about it. I can imagine there would have been numerous complaints asking for them to be tradable because people would want ways to get at the tonics weren't lucky enough to receive.
Another thing you don't seem to have considered... these tonics are initially given out without consideration of how "rich" a player is. A "poor" player could get a rare tonic and sell it off for what might be a huge sum from his perspective. So while the richest players may be buying them up, that means their wealth is being distributed a bit.
Personally, I'm not rich and I can somewhat sympathize with the disappointment that I won't be able to afford a Destroyer or Margonite tonic. But that really doesn't bother me very much and I've more than gotten over it. In fact, I've made a nice profit selling the tonic I did get, so overall the way they did things has been beneficial to me.
Or do you want to suggest that all rare items and such should be non-tradable? Maybe that works in some cases. But that would rather suck for these latest birthday tonics. If they were non-tradable, then it's all luck. Anyone who gets a cool tonic is lucky, anyone who gets a crappy tonic is screwed, and no one has any way to do anything about it. I can imagine there would have been numerous complaints asking for them to be tradable because people would want ways to get at the tonics weren't lucky enough to receive.
Another thing you don't seem to have considered... these tonics are initially given out without consideration of how "rich" a player is. A "poor" player could get a rare tonic and sell it off for what might be a huge sum from his perspective. So while the richest players may be buying them up, that means their wealth is being distributed a bit.
Personally, I'm not rich and I can somewhat sympathize with the disappointment that I won't be able to afford a Destroyer or Margonite tonic. But that really doesn't bother me very much and I've more than gotten over it. In fact, I've made a nice profit selling the tonic I did get, so overall the way they did things has been beneficial to me.
RedDog91
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If the item is tradable.. people howl cause the Vets make money. If it is not tradeable.. the same people will howl that they cannot ever get one and the Vets have something they can't have.
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People will always find something to complain about.
Ka Tet
Set a 1000 gold cap on any merchant transactions. That would make the existing gold trade cap between players actually meaningful. Problem solved.
Voodoo Rage
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
I used to see people saying " WTS xxx 100k +15e " , now for a few weeks , i'm only seeing " WTS xxx 40e " Why ? Because 100k =14-15e and most players have storage full with 1000k ... And guess how those 1000k are used at when they want to make space.... Buying ectos...
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Rugar
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Originally Posted by shinta_himura
"It's a reward for having played for a long time."
Exactly. So why does anet give these things to the market? |
michielboonstra
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The better question is why do the people that have them, sell them? If they didn't sell them, there would be no market.
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akelarumi
They aren't given to the market. People decide to sell them. It's basicly how all economy works. I got a home but not a car atm. If I would be given a second house cause I did some great, I would possibly trade it for a car (and yes some other need stuff, cause most houses are more expensive then most cars).
Same goes here, 6 year vet gets a tonic. But he actually need an obsidian armor for his HoM cause he never liked doing/farming uw over and over nor farm for the money. So he sells the tonic to get his obsidian armor.
If he couldn't sell his el tonic, he would be left with a useless tonic while he actually need something else.
Beside with non tradable el tonics I would have missed the fun having our gh filled with Vekks, wobling around the place cause one of our 6 year vets have been giving us free zips of his tonic
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Same goes here, 6 year vet gets a tonic. But he actually need an obsidian armor for his HoM cause he never liked doing/farming uw over and over nor farm for the money. So he sells the tonic to get his obsidian armor.
If he couldn't sell his el tonic, he would be left with a useless tonic while he actually need something else.
Beside with non tradable el tonics I would have missed the fun having our gh filled with Vekks, wobling around the place cause one of our 6 year vets have been giving us free zips of his tonic
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Rumi The Poet
too bad by the time the become fairly priced . .. gw2 will probably be out.
by then . .well who cares.
anyone wants to sell one at fair price ill be on the 16 rings workin on unlucky. if not no biggy.
by then . .well who cares.
anyone wants to sell one at fair price ill be on the 16 rings workin on unlucky. if not no biggy.
Verene
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Originally Posted by Rumi The Poet
too bad by the time the become fairly priced . .. gw2 will probably be out.
by then . .well who cares. anyone wants to sell one at fair price ill be on the 16 rings workin on unlucky. if not no biggy. |
Note - there is no such thing. What you'd think would be a fair price could be far too cheap for the person next to you, and far too expensive for the next person down.
Araiia
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It's the exact same as with any mini. It's a reward for having played for a long time. And in the grand scheme of things, 200e is paltry compared to what you can get just playing the game.
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Veteran Rewards
WoW: Nothing at all
Aion: Unlocks preset rewards for every month you are subscribed. Yes these items DO have gameplay utility but it's nothing with OP stats that you "couldn't" get by playing normally. What you get from veteran rewards is preset, everyone who has played for 12 months gets the same thing (for example.)
Minipets
WoW: A wide variety of ways to get them ranging from in-game vendors to drops off foes, and promo/preorder codes.
Aion: In-game vendor, in-game events, NCsoft store, and veteran rewards (but note that everyone gets access to the same pets.)
The reason the economy and "power trading" is so rampant in GW is because of the lack of a universal price check (a.k.a. auction house.) It's all too easy to scam/be scammed. Rather than blame the sellers or buyers (or power trades, although I'd like to) ... it's the way the system was set up by anet.
At least all of this stuff is cosmetic and the threshold for being "geared" and "high level" enough to do stuff in-game is very low compared to other games.
Sjeng
I'm just gonna wait a couple of months, check my own characters that turn 6 in june, and see how much prices have dropped.
Good thing is that the older Asura/Norn/Charr tonics are also dropping in price because of the cooler Vekk/Jora/Pyre tonics ^^
And it's cosmetic, so I don't care a lot. If I have spare gold, I'll buy whichever I fancy the most, and leave it at that, and just continue enjoying the game untill GW2 is out.
Never ever buy new stuff the moment it's introduced.
Bought a Gwen Doll undedicated mini last weekend for 50e, and last month those were like 65~80e. Last year those were even more expensive, and I can't even remember what those cost the day they were introduced... So just wait untill you feel the price is acceptable, and then buy whatever you like.
Good thing is that the older Asura/Norn/Charr tonics are also dropping in price because of the cooler Vekk/Jora/Pyre tonics ^^
And it's cosmetic, so I don't care a lot. If I have spare gold, I'll buy whichever I fancy the most, and leave it at that, and just continue enjoying the game untill GW2 is out.
Never ever buy new stuff the moment it's introduced.
Bought a Gwen Doll undedicated mini last weekend for 50e, and last month those were like 65~80e. Last year those were even more expensive, and I can't even remember what those cost the day they were introduced... So just wait untill you feel the price is acceptable, and then buy whatever you like.
BladeDVD
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dun murder me for bringing up other games, but let me compare GW "veteran rewards" to similar incentives on WoW and Aion.
*snip* At least all of this stuff is cosmetic and the threshold for being "geared" and "high level" enough to do stuff in-game is very low compared to other games. |
As for the OP's question...why shouldn't they be tradeable?
HawkofStorms
Look, it is exactly like minis when they first come out. Yes, it does kinda stink if you don't have a character that was around at launch, as you will ALWAYS be screwed over when it comes to minis/tonic prices.
Complaining about this now is silly, when you should have been complaining about this as soon as the very first birthday mini pets came out as it is the same principal.
At this point, it's too late to do anything about it.
Complaining about this now is silly, when you should have been complaining about this as soon as the very first birthday mini pets came out as it is the same principal.
At this point, it's too late to do anything about it.
Skyy High
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It is a Lose Lose situation for every company that rewards long term players. If the item is tradable.. people howl cause the Vets make money. If it is not tradeable.. the same people will howl that they cannot ever get one and the Vets have something they can't have.
It's FLUFF. Calm thyself. |
Prices are player-set based on supply (low) and demand (high). I don't see how you can blame ANet in this case. Tradeable or untradeable, either way, you wouldn't be getting one right now.
lemming
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Originally Posted by Araiia
dun murder me for bringing up other games, but let me compare GW "veteran rewards" to similar incentives on WoW and Aion.
Veteran Rewards WoW: Nothing at all |
bhavv
Wait ..... What?
My main character is 67 months old and DEFINITELY not rich, I cant even afford obsi + vabbi armors because I hate grinding.
In 5 months time I get myself a nice everlasting tonic, and as much as I would love to get a kuunavang, I doubt I will and I'll probably just get a lame hero tonic.
If I dont like the one I get, I can sell it for a nice amount and put it towards my obby armor.
And people have some kind of a problem with this? If the tonics werent tradable, far more people would be whining that they cant buy one, and people that get one that they dont want will be whining that they cant sell or trade it for another.
Its a free gift for any 6 year old character, and you can keep it or sell it. Big frigging deal! People will just find absolutely anything to whine about over something as petty as an ingame birthday gift.
My main character is 67 months old and DEFINITELY not rich, I cant even afford obsi + vabbi armors because I hate grinding.
In 5 months time I get myself a nice everlasting tonic, and as much as I would love to get a kuunavang, I doubt I will and I'll probably just get a lame hero tonic.
If I dont like the one I get, I can sell it for a nice amount and put it towards my obby armor.
And people have some kind of a problem with this? If the tonics werent tradable, far more people would be whining that they cant buy one, and people that get one that they dont want will be whining that they cant sell or trade it for another.
Its a free gift for any 6 year old character, and you can keep it or sell it. Big frigging deal! People will just find absolutely anything to whine about over something as petty as an ingame birthday gift.
Benderama
PRobably just used tonics rather than minis to make the minipet section of HoM an actual worry to people. Less new minis would hopefully slow the increase in minipet prices as well.
thedarkmarine
This is not the single player game you are looking for.
jazilla
this is how it has always been. i don't understand what the problem is.
w00t!
The lack of economic knowledge displayed by some here is just staggering.
Only surpassed by the sense of entitlement.
Only surpassed by the sense of entitlement.
Zenzai
ELs are pretty, but pretty useless too at this point. I wouldn't want to be stuck with them.
shinta_himura
Remember how they rethought the armor system and decided to open all armor skins and styles to whichever attributes the player wanted?
Well couldn't they let people with anniversary gifts choose what they get? Turn 6, click the present, a menu opens and lets you choose the non-tradeable tonic of your choice.
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"The lack of economic knowledge displayed by some here is just staggering.
Only surpassed by the sense of entitlement."
Try explaining yourself if you're going to bother insulting people?
Well couldn't they let people with anniversary gifts choose what they get? Turn 6, click the present, a menu opens and lets you choose the non-tradeable tonic of your choice.
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"The lack of economic knowledge displayed by some here is just staggering.
Only surpassed by the sense of entitlement."
Try explaining yourself if you're going to bother insulting people?
Hobbs
Untradeable tonics royally screw over people who didn't start playing Guild Wars in the first year, Guild Wars 2 will be here by the time they get their 6th gift and it's possible that they'll have moved on and will never use one.
Tradeable tonics give those people who have a 6 year old character a tonic for free but also allow those who have put a lot of play into the game over a short space of time the opportunity to own a tonic too.
My point being tradeable tonics reward people who have old characters AND those who have logged a lot of hours over s shorter span. Untradeables only reward the former, and maybe not even them considering some people will get a tonic they're unhappy with and wouldn't be able to trade for another.
Tradeable tonics give those people who have a 6 year old character a tonic for free but also allow those who have put a lot of play into the game over a short space of time the opportunity to own a tonic too.
My point being tradeable tonics reward people who have old characters AND those who have logged a lot of hours over s shorter span. Untradeables only reward the former, and maybe not even them considering some people will get a tonic they're unhappy with and wouldn't be able to trade for another.
KamikazeChicken
It did reward me for playing a long time. I either have tonics I like and will use, or I have tonics that I can sell for considerable profit....
Seems to be a win-win for me.
Seems to be a win-win for me.
bhavv
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Well couldn't they let people with anniversary gifts choose what they get? Turn 6, click the present, a menu opens and lets you choose the non-tradeable tonic of your choice.
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That is a seriously ridiculous idea. All it is is an ingame graphic / skin, how can you be so bothered over potions that simply change your avatar's appearance?
thedarkmarine
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The lack of economic knowledge displayed by some here is just staggering.
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Seriously. Demand drives up prices. So does low supply. Common guys, the secret is to bang the rocks together.
Voodoo Rage
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The lack of economic knowledge displayed by some here is just staggering.
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Reformed
It's only worth what someone will pay for it OP. 200e is small potatoes compared to what contest winners in recent years get for their prizes on the open market.