A few days ago I found myself thinking of making a new gwamm character since, obviously, four are not enough to my messed-up mind. Because achieving 30 maxed titles requires only time I started thinking on how to make it a bit more challenging. What I came up was this:
1) Create a Prophecies character.
2) Do not use tomes. Only use currently available skills.
3) Do not use storage. Equip yourself purely by drops and quest rewards. Sell tomes to other players.
4) Play and finish GW chapters in their chronological order.
5) Before moving on to the next chapter get all bonuses/master rewards in missions.
6) Start Hard Mode only after Normal mode in all chapters and EotN has been beaten.
7) Max titles to get GWAMM.
8) Do it without dying once.
Does all this sound doable? Please share your thoughts and comments on how to make the challenge more... Challenging.
GWAMM challenge for teh lulz?
cataphract
ruk1a
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Does all this sound doable?
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Then again I've done all above countless times, minus the not dying once part.
ajaxfetish
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Please share your thoughts and comments on how to make the challenge more... Challenging.
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Ajax
FoxBat
Do it all solo, no heroes or hench.
Totally serious, this is alot of fun, everything relying on your own skill instead of dumb AIs playing the game for you. Well at least as far as normal mode missions go, vanqs under shadow form would probably get old.
Totally serious, this is alot of fun, everything relying on your own skill instead of dumb AIs playing the game for you. Well at least as far as normal mode missions go, vanqs under shadow form would probably get old.
Gabriel of Ravn
No heroes only hench and no help from friends just the bad hench ai that anet gives.
melissa b
Addicted huh?
Well, how about this....
No Heroes in Factions or Prophecies, No EOTN Heroes in Nightfall, No Nightfall Heroes in EOTN
No Cons
No PVE Skills
No Other Human Players in Party
No Secondary Profession Skills
Well, how about this....
No Heroes in Factions or Prophecies, No EOTN Heroes in Nightfall, No Nightfall Heroes in EOTN
No Cons
No PVE Skills
No Other Human Players in Party
No Secondary Profession Skills
Elnino
no armor
12 chars
12 chars
cataphract
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Do it all solo, no heroes or hench.
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Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn
No heroes only hench and no help from friends just the bad hench ai that anet gives.
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Originally Posted by melissa b
Addicted huh?
Well, how about this.... No Heroes in Factions or Prophecies, No EOTN Heroes in Nightfall, No Nightfall Heroes in EOTN No Cons No PVE Skills No Other Human Players in Party No Secondary Profession Skills |
I can agree with "no cons" and the hero usage policy. As an integral part of original GW, secondary profession would be used. PvE skills would follow the same policy as other skills.
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That reminds me - Sorrow's Furnace and Titan quest chain in Prophecies. Those could be done too before moving on to Factions.
Saru The Boss
Seeing a GWAAM with 0 deaths would be fairly impressive. 
Gabriel of Ravn
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Seeing a GWAAM with 0 deaths would be fairly impressive.
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Tripolityx
Frenzy Mending or nothing!
(^Troll)
(^Troll)
Mig Coconut
Do chapters in order, using only skills available in said chapter (eotn can use proph skills). Use only henchman or heroes available in said chapter.
Before moving onto factions: do 5-man sorrows furnace farm, do a b/p group in tombs, do a iway group in halls, 55 and SS farm uw, do a forge run in fow using renewal nukers/whammos/bonder, fail thunderhead keep three times in a row, sell a noob a fds in ascalon city, afk in marhan's grotto for a day, complain there is no auction house.
Before moving onto nightfall: invite an assassin to your group then kick him, go to zos shivros channel and laugh at suxons, go to house zu heltzer and make fun of kurdicks, afk in zos shivros challenge mission to get daily high score, chest run in nahpui quarter for celestial weapons, chest run in sunjiang district for golden phoenix blades, cap flesh golem and use it at 0 death magic to get a tiny golem, do the deep in a steel wall pug group, do urgoz warren as a b/p group, complain there is no auction house.
Before moving onto eotn: think the idea of customizable henchies is TOTALLY AWESOME but then meet koss, complain about the grind of the sunspear title to unlock further progess, wish you had bought stacks of sapphires/rubys when they were worthless, cap searing flames and use it everywhere, think the game is easy then wtf realm of torment, wonder why you can't become the god, do domain of anguish in a sf/obby flesh group, open coffers til you get a mallyx no matter how much money you waste, complain there is no auction house.
In eye of the north: scream OMG GWEN when you meet her, wonder where are the sylvari, leech a cof 600 run, vaettir and raptor farm during holiday events, do a vs farm but never actually get one only your guildmate who already has three, don't actually do most of the dungeons but get somebody to run it for you, solo the great destroyer, run sabway for the next three years, join a sc guild then faceroll uw/fow/doa with overpowered consets and pve skills, complain there is no auction house.
After all that, you can do the rest of the titles.
Before moving onto factions: do 5-man sorrows furnace farm, do a b/p group in tombs, do a iway group in halls, 55 and SS farm uw, do a forge run in fow using renewal nukers/whammos/bonder, fail thunderhead keep three times in a row, sell a noob a fds in ascalon city, afk in marhan's grotto for a day, complain there is no auction house.
Before moving onto nightfall: invite an assassin to your group then kick him, go to zos shivros channel and laugh at suxons, go to house zu heltzer and make fun of kurdicks, afk in zos shivros challenge mission to get daily high score, chest run in nahpui quarter for celestial weapons, chest run in sunjiang district for golden phoenix blades, cap flesh golem and use it at 0 death magic to get a tiny golem, do the deep in a steel wall pug group, do urgoz warren as a b/p group, complain there is no auction house.
Before moving onto eotn: think the idea of customizable henchies is TOTALLY AWESOME but then meet koss, complain about the grind of the sunspear title to unlock further progess, wish you had bought stacks of sapphires/rubys when they were worthless, cap searing flames and use it everywhere, think the game is easy then wtf realm of torment, wonder why you can't become the god, do domain of anguish in a sf/obby flesh group, open coffers til you get a mallyx no matter how much money you waste, complain there is no auction house.
In eye of the north: scream OMG GWEN when you meet her, wonder where are the sylvari, leech a cof 600 run, vaettir and raptor farm during holiday events, do a vs farm but never actually get one only your guildmate who already has three, don't actually do most of the dungeons but get somebody to run it for you, solo the great destroyer, run sabway for the next three years, join a sc guild then faceroll uw/fow/doa with overpowered consets and pve skills, complain there is no auction house.
After all that, you can do the rest of the titles.
Olle
ive tried this several times..but the ones i go with always tend to leave after the first missions in proph
Im up for it.
Miniature Julia.
Im up for it.
Miniature Julia.
Bright Star Shine
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/u...ate+survi vor
I'd do it on a ranger if you're planning on starting in proph. Else, you'll probably get rolled a couple times. That's why this person got his on his Paragon, more survivability.
Btw, add LDoA on the list^^
I'd do it on a ranger if you're planning on starting in proph. Else, you'll probably get rolled a couple times. That's why this person got his on his Paragon, more survivability.
Btw, add LDoA on the list^^
cataphract
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There already is one on one of the screenshot threads GWAAM with 0 deaths and about 30mil exp. Think there might have been 1 other can't recall at the moment.
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Coconut, I love your post but most of the activities almost certainly guarantee a death.
kajusbonus, I'll add you to FL.
Now, as far as the character is concerned, I'll be making an elementalist. First maxed title will be LDoA. I've had some doubts about whether or not to go for LDoA since a lvl 20 character will have it all too easy for the most of Prophecies, but decided to go for it after all because of potential "I should have got LDoA" facepalm in that character's future. That said, maxing LDoA will bring the character to 7 maxed titles.
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/u...ate+survi vor
I'd do it on a ranger if you're planning on starting in proph. Else, you'll probably get rolled a couple times. That's why this person got his on his Paragon, more survivability. Btw, add LDoA on the list^^ |
Nevertheless, impressive feat. DVDF has been known for their helpful attitudes. Massive respect to my former guildmates.
Bright Star Shine
So, you already have 6 account wides? Isn't that kind of cheating?^^ Cause you character didn't get them after all.. You'd have to hit 36 titles to make it really legit
Btw, what are you gonna do when your inventory hits 100k/is full of materials? Or can you use material storage?
To make it really, really legit, you should have in your end screeny you talking to Xunlai woman and paying her the 50g fee..
Btw, what are you gonna do when your inventory hits 100k/is full of materials? Or can you use material storage?
To make it really, really legit, you should have in your end screeny you talking to Xunlai woman and paying her the 50g fee..
cataphract
It's true that 6 maxed account-wide titles make the job easier but you have to remember that three money titles will not be available to this character because of the storage restriction. And no, no access to material storage either. Xunlai Agents will be ignored throughout the game. The character will have to get by using only backpacks and bags.
I'm going to impose yet another restriction to the character's finances by ignoring Nicholas' gifts in post and especially in pre. They make making money way too easy and besides, they weren't around in the days of yore. Financing will only be available through merching drops and selling tomes to people. Lending money and/or equipment from friends is a big no-no.
That could become a problem, yes. Guess I could craft some equipment for myself and my heroes. But I don't think that having too much money will be a problem. I'm planning on buying a prestige armor at the end of each chapter, quite possibly even Vabbian armor. And if too much money becomes an issue I guess I can always buy some ecto and put it in my backpack.
I'm going to impose yet another restriction to the character's finances by ignoring Nicholas' gifts in post and especially in pre. They make making money way too easy and besides, they weren't around in the days of yore. Financing will only be available through merching drops and selling tomes to people. Lending money and/or equipment from friends is a big no-no.
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vader
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A few days ago I found myself thinking of making a new gwamm character since, obviously, four are not enough to my messed-up mind. Because achieving 30 maxed titles requires only time I started thinking on how to make it a bit more challenging. What I came up was this:
1) Create a Prophecies character. 2) Do not use tomes. Only use currently available skills. 3) Do not use storage. Equip yourself purely by drops and quest rewards. Sell tomes to other players. 4) Play and finish GW chapters in their chronological order. 5) Before moving on to the next chapter get all bonuses/master rewards in missions. 6) Start Hard Mode only after Normal mode in all chapters and EotN has been beaten. 7) Max titles to get GWAMM. 8) Do it without dying once. Does all this sound doable? Please share your thoughts and comments on how to make the challenge more... Challenging. |
Urcscumug
It sounds doable and a nice challenge. Minus the "don't ever die" part, which depends on luck and it's not really up to you. Lag spikes or disconnects can happen anytime.
If you do it, would you mind documenting (or simply saving) your builds chronologically all along the way? There's a severe lack of builds made for non-max areas at certain points in the game. On any profession you might end up choosing. Having an experienced player go through the entire GW and save a good build made with only locally available skills at every step would be extraordinary documentation. I plan to go myself through all the campaigns one day for this exact purpose.
Like, "I'm in Ascalon City fresh out of Pre, what build do I make?" Or, "I've reached Yak's etc." Don't say it's obvious, if it was we wouldn't see some of the builds we see.
I guess what I really really want is a wiki list of skills ordered by how they first appear while you move through a campaign...
If you do it, would you mind documenting (or simply saving) your builds chronologically all along the way? There's a severe lack of builds made for non-max areas at certain points in the game. On any profession you might end up choosing. Having an experienced player go through the entire GW and save a good build made with only locally available skills at every step would be extraordinary documentation. I plan to go myself through all the campaigns one day for this exact purpose.
Like, "I'm in Ascalon City fresh out of Pre, what build do I make?" Or, "I've reached Yak's etc." Don't say it's obvious, if it was we wouldn't see some of the builds we see.
I guess what I really really want is a wiki list of skills ordered by how they first appear while you move through a campaign...
Lest121
I am struggling to make one GWAMM character, and you have 4 OP, you have too much spare time....just saying...
FengShuiDove
I'm doing something similar on a second account right now. Campaigns in chronological order with only what would have been available at the time, starting with a Prophecies Mesmer. Let me say, it can be done without dying, but with only Alesia for the first half of the campaign it's incredibly difficult. I've even done all the side quests I can (ignoring a *few* of the really long ones) and I'm still finding it tougher than I expected. One under-leveled Monk really hurts.
But I'm having a lot of fun so far! I'm about to exit the jungle and head into the Crystal Desert, where I'll get collector's max armor, etc. After this it'll be Factions with henchies, NF, and Eye. Then I'll start title grabbing (HM in each campaign for starts, and vanqs + carto + caps afterwards) and be on my way.
I'm not quite as constrained as it sounds like you're looking at, but then again, I've only got 1 GWAMM so far so any shakeup is worthwhile
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But I'm having a lot of fun so far! I'm about to exit the jungle and head into the Crystal Desert, where I'll get collector's max armor, etc. After this it'll be Factions with henchies, NF, and Eye. Then I'll start title grabbing (HM in each campaign for starts, and vanqs + carto + caps afterwards) and be on my way.
I'm not quite as constrained as it sounds like you're looking at, but then again, I've only got 1 GWAMM so far so any shakeup is worthwhile
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cataphract
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What 30 titles are you maxing that "only require time"? Even Skill Hunter is going to cost 290 platinum.
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I'm doing something similar on a second account right now. Campaigns in chronological order with only what would have been available at the time, starting with a Prophecies Mesmer. Let me say, it can be done without dying, but with only Alesia for the first half of the campaign it's incredibly difficult. I've even done all the side quests I can (ignoring a *few* of the really long ones) and I'm still finding it tougher than I expected. One under-leveled Monk really hurts.
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vader
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290k is nothing compared to several millions of gold one needs for Sweet, Party and Drunkard. From my perspective of three legendary skill hunters time and effort needed to cap every single skill greatly outweigh the cost in gold.
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Because achieving 30 maxed titles requires only time
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Doven
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That's the main reason I did not pick Mesmer but opted for Elementalist. As an ele I'll have more versatility in regards to damage and party buffs. And just because of Alesia and other crazy monk henchies, I'll be going /Mo secondary. |
my choice to start would be mesmer/monk or ranger/monk as I agree with the comment above about ranger. unfortunately for me my choice of build is not what gets me past NM but what will eventually get me through HM, I just see mesmer doing better than ranger later on. Something to say about armor ignoring damage and fast cast. though I will miss the survivability of the ranger and pet
this endeavor will take a good amount of bar switching and patience, I commend you for going Ele.. HM will be a decent challenge
If you option is to ONLY use skills related to profession with no secondary.. i feel it insane to use just Ele. I believe that only monk or mes could do with no secondary.At any rate, good luck with your journey! should be alot of fun, and there is always LDoA lol.
cheers
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Emmerich
This sounds a little bit like what my wife and I are doing - of course, we don't really have any choice since the characters we're raising up in Prophecies are the first ones we've ever played, having been GW1 players for all of a week now.
Oh, and we're not doing it with no deaths, seeing as how we started on day one not even knowing how skills worked or that you could swap them or anything!
Any way, really just posted to say I look forward to following your progress.
Oh, and we're not doing it with no deaths, seeing as how we started on day one not even knowing how skills worked or that you could swap them or anything!
Any way, really just posted to say I look forward to following your progress.
Gabriel of Ravn
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Do you know if that character played campaigns like I'm planning to or did it take shortcuts to unlock heroes and then steamroll everything. Did they pay for vanquishing services, mission runs and stuff like that?
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cataphract
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290k may be nothing to you but 290k does not equal time. Your original post says:
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Please discontinue the trollfest. Thank you.
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I have been thinking of doing the exact same.. but will use storage as it is an inherent part of the game and I feel somewhat necessary for GW. But thats just me.
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Btw, you just reminded me... New rule: No /bonus items.
Doven
HA!
well there goes your best elemental hench in the game right there (pre 20) imp ftw lol.
and as for the temptation to use whats inside storage .. same bit of temptation every time you walk by the box. i say clean one tab into a mule.. same with shinys and at least have ONE tab dedi for your endeavor. just one..
cheers
d
well there goes your best elemental hench in the game right there
(pre 20) imp ftw lol.and as for the temptation to use whats inside storage .. same bit of temptation every time you walk by the box. i say clean one tab into a mule.. same with shinys and at least have ONE tab dedi for your endeavor. just one..
cheers
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Bright Star Shine
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HA!
well there goes your best elemental hench in the game right there (pre 20) imp ftw lol.and as for the temptation to use whats inside storage .. same bit of temptation every time you walk by the box. i say clean one tab into a mule.. same with shinys and at least have ONE tab dedi for your endeavor. just one.. cheers d |
Also, this won't be for any time soon I'm thinking
What's your stance about taking other humans along though? Because I don't see why that won't be allowed, except for being ran to and from places..
jazilla
@cataphract: idk if you know this but other video games exist and they are fun . seriously though, if you do that, have fun!
. seriously though, if you do that, have fun!
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Oh you got me there. I guess I'll play through the game using only Presearing skills because buying new ones would be spending gold. Jesus. /facepalm
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Verene
Depending on what order you do the titles, you can fund skill hunter through play. My friend/guild leader did Legendary Guardian and Vanquisher, and used the money made doing those (both completion rewards and selling off drops) to do skill hunter. And that doesn't take into account the money he spent purchasing elite armors (including Vabbian - to be fair, he got that armor a week before the HoM update and the price spiked for it, but even then it was pricey). No farming for cash or anything there.
You'll be going through and capping skills while playing regularly as it is. So while, yes, skill hunter requires money to obtain...all you really need to obtain that money is time.
You'll be going through and capping skills while playing regularly as it is. So while, yes, skill hunter requires money to obtain...all you really need to obtain that money is time.
Plutoman
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As soon as someone sees something wrong in your post, you call it a trollfest? You'll need maybe 20 skills per campaign to complete the game. You'll get that coin easily playing (some skills will even be free through quests). Where are you planning on getting the 290k for the elites? I guess if you pick up everything and sell everything you might get 290k for all the capture signets if its the very last thing you do.
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Heck, that's not even considering all the side quests, or mission rewards. C'mon now, think through. Legendary Skill hunter is generally a time intensive title, because the costs are relatively minor, particularly if you complete as you go along.
Xaeo
Hey, this would be outstandingly fun. PM me, I'll do this with you guys. Very smart idea.
IGN : Xaeo I
IGN : Xaeo I
cataphract
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Nop, his end screeny must include him talking to the Xunlai Storage lady, ready to pay his 50 gold to use it^^ I guess..
Also, this won't be for any time soon I'm thinking What's your stance about taking other humans along though? Because I don't see why that won't be allowed, except for being ran to and from places.. |
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@cataphract: idk if you know this but other video games exist and they are fun
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As soon as someone sees something wrong in your post, you call it a trollfest?
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Depending on what order you do the titles, you can fund skill hunter through play.
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Biggest problems with Skill Hunter is the time it takes to fight your way to the boss, zone back, zone somewhere else and repeat the process. Add some frustration when capping skills in Tyria. Randomly spawned bosses are a pain.
Ghull Ka
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A few days ago I found myself thinking of making a new gwamm character since, obviously, four are not enough to my messed-up mind. Because achieving 30 maxed titles requires only time I started thinking on how to make it a bit more challenging. What I came up was this:
1) Create a Prophecies character. 2) Do not use tomes. Only use currently available skills. 3) Do not use storage. Equip yourself purely by drops and quest rewards. Sell tomes to other players. 4) Play and finish GW chapters in their chronological order. 5) Before moving on to the next chapter get all bonuses/master rewards in missions. 6) Start Hard Mode only after Normal mode in all chapters and EotN has been beaten. 7) Max titles to get GWAMM. 8) Do it without dying once. Does all this sound doable? Please share your thoughts and comments on how to make the challenge more... Challenging. |
Also, when you post about your success, and you're posting a screenshot, you won't be able to post one that proves 2. You'd have to some how time-code screenshots to prove 4-6. Maybe this is no big deal to you but it's something to consider. Most epic achievements people chase in games are screenshotable.
Good luck if you go for it though.
Chrisworld
It's an original idea, I like it. I wonder how long it would take?
cataphract
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Also, when you post about your success, and you're posting a screenshot, you won't be able to post one that proves 2. You'd have to some how time-code screenshots to prove 4-6. Maybe this is no big deal to you but it's something to consider. Most epic achievements people chase in games are screenshotable.
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It's an original idea, I like it. I wonder how long it would take?
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Time spent to achieve gwamm will be visible on the final screenshot though. My guess is around 450-500 hours.
FoxBat
An "interesting" way to tackle HM content would be to strictly pug, mostly the zaishen dailies. Garunteed to be challenging, and more importantly, chaotic, no other restrictions needed. (Item/tome restrictions really mean jack past beating the campaigns on NM.)
cataphract
Yes, the main idea behind item and tome restrictions is to make NM more challenging and as similar to the initial experience as possible. My newest Prophecies character, necro, used tomes and max weapons right out of pre and it was way too easy. Running around casting Jagged Bones or Flesh Golem keeping Rurik company was an overkill. And I don't want that this time around.
As for pugs - there's no way I'm joining as a survivor. They're just insane. I had monks heal spikes with Healing Breeze and Mark of Protection. Because apparently, target won't get Shatter Ench if you pretend there's no enchantment removal.
As for pugs - there's no way I'm joining as a survivor. They're just insane. I had monks heal spikes with Healing Breeze and Mark of Protection. Because apparently, target won't get Shatter Ench if you pretend there's no enchantment removal.