GW's Rich And Famous

How do people in this game get so much money? oO

I personally have several stacks of zkeys/ectos pretty much always, so i am by no means poor. But i simply cannot get my head around how people can have like 20 stacks of armbraces and stuff like that.

I realise there was the duping scam several years ago, and not everyone got caught, so there are some super rich people left over from that, but how can anyone have so much money? There are simply not enough hours in the day to farm that much, and even the top pvp players earning stacks and stacks of zkeys every month from GvG, cannot even get close to some peoples level of wealth.

I simply just dont know how its possible, even if you farmed virtually non stop since the day the game was released, im not sure you could have accumulated the 100,000 ectos or whatever that some people seem to have these days.

Do people just buy there money online (against the EULA so plz dont do it)? or are they all ex dupe scammers..

Anyone got any ideas?
Note: please dont tell me how you earned 1000ectos or crap like that, im really only interested in the super super rich.

1. How do you know for sure there are super-rich people? Unless I'm being shown 7 stacks of armbraces in-game, I'll take any screenshot with a grain of salt.

2. Do you also stay awake at night thinking how Bill Gates has so much money? Why does it matter if some people have lots of money (in-game or otherwise)?

3. How familiar are you with the concept of "buying low, selling high"? I've seen my share of 1:20 deals and I only dabble in trading occasionally. People who do this all the time have ample opportunity to do even better.

you have several stacks of ecto's and zkeys, what do you want more?

A rich player talking about the super rich....lol, I am a poor player I have 3 ectos, 90k, and some shards, and I want GWAMM and I need loot for 3 money titles.... so as a poor player how do I strike it rich? what's the GW megamillion lottery?

You know these people have this many ectos/armbraces because of the prices of the super-rare Minipets that are constantly swapping hands.

Personally I think it was down to players constantly "flipping" purchases. Buying low, selling for less. Some players join games like these just to feel accomplished economically. What i'm surprised about was that with an economy largely dependent on non-cash trades (ectos mainly), they've only had to roll back the economy once when players decided to flood the market. Everyone was expecting it to happen again.

But to generate that many ectos and armbraces in the first place boggles my mind... Only Anet knows how nolife the community is.

2 words: Power Trade

If you go the hard route then if you farmed 5 hours/day for the past 3 years (doing a good farm) you would have made around 10 stacks of armbraces.

There's several ways to get filthy rich.
# concistently place top 8 in mATs, ATs & Snowball ATs
# place at the top of an art contest
# powertrade (this used to be very easy with the introduction of limited minis)
# speedclear UW
# speedclear DoA
# invested in items that will rise in value (made millions on party items before the title got introduced)
# buy gold on sites
# exploited the trader rollback
# dupe and not get caught
# hack people and steal their items
# HA, GvG, VQ, Mission services

And that's about it tbh?

This. Power trading makes more money faster than any other method I know. I have no figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if a dedicated power trader earned over 1k per minute on average, especially at the highest end trading where item prices are quoted in ambraces.

Agreed with the power trading method. I have no patience to do it for long periods of time like some people, but I have come away with making 100k in an hour with very little effort.
I can't even imagine the money that people get when they are good at it.

made 200k in 15minutes!! strong strong

Power trading gets money, but in most cases, it's just used an excuse by people to hide how they really got the amount of wealth they have. Also people seem to think powertrading is something "consistent". It's not. You could have 20 good deals one day netting you over 5M on that same day, but you could go weeks without making any profit.

Also, power trading is based of the fact that people are stupid (they don't know what something is worth) and that there is a way larger demand than supply. (So u can make big profit) With 6 years of GW under our belt, there is very few people left who allow for such powertrading to happen. Most people know what stuff is worth, and if not, they usually have friends/forums where they can find that information.

You'll also rarely ever find people who desperately need something and will severlely overpay for it, because the game is so old, and there's no need to "rush" things anymore.

Powertrading only works when the game promotes active game play. For those confused, GW does not, as it does not have much of an end-game, unlike Runescape or WoW for example. (Where there's always a MASSIVE demand for certain items)

AFAIK, there was/is still an exploit which enables you to get about 1K zkeys an hour (way more if you finetune it, just giving a rough baseline to give you an idea). There also have been several people who have acounts filled with duped armbraces/ectos and shit, but alot of them left GW. (Altough I'm fairly sure alot of them sold their shit on blackmarket forums for tons and tons of real life cash)

There's obviously also legit ways of getting filthy rich, as pointed out above, but the richest people in Guild Wars did not get there through one of these way, you can be sure of that.

I am certainly in this camp, it takes real effort to earn the cash to buy elite armour etc. I am just amazed and a little in awe of the time and effort some must put in.

This is what i can confirm,its my screens of trades(tho sin's is an frend of my)

1,000 armbraces +the ammount of minis he/she showed(and the ones he/she claimed to have)... theres no way that he/she got that via trading, though that was what he/she claimed.

Does that guy have a life ?

ah, U told me bout it like a while ago.
Guess anet didn't catch em.

There once was a poor family
The Mother was poor the Father was poor and the Children were poor.

What's more even the Butler Chauffer Housekeeper Maids Footmen and Gardeners were poor.

Nothing whatever to do with the thread except to show that being poor or rich is relative.

There are a lot of legitimately wealthy players out there, some not so much. It's been known for a long time that not everyone who should have been banned for the dupe lost all their items/accounts. All things considered Anet was a hell of a lot more harsh for the developer outpost exploit at Mallyx than they ever were for the trade window/disconnect problem (both of these were fixed afaik and are documented so don't flip out mods). It's wrong to assume every time you see a 'rich' player they are a cheater...the screens above however imo are awfully suspect.

How ppl fail to understand how things work in gw at times amazes me more than someone showing a few stacks of ambraces.
I do know a member of my alliance who in a very weird way ( i fail to understand myself why he plays gw ) has done all campaigns with help - they actually now just trade away the hrs.From what i was told they started with a few k and worked their way upwards - when they hit a set amount they convert to ectos/ambraces and restart from the bottom ( and it seems they actually enjoy this ).Now this may sound so amazing its bull but think of the real world where we have ppl selling real estates/stockmarket running etc and to us thats normal.
If you had say 4-5 hrs daily free you could with almost no money at start farm the conset materials and build up a massive stock ( myself i aim for a casual 100 - casual as i dont do it daily but when i can be bothered ) and then with a few hundred consets visit toa.You have 2 - 3 types of buyers , basic buyers who buy single amounts and pay cash.Next is the buyers who buy say 10 at a time and pays cash/ectos and finally you have the sc addicts who will buy in bulk - 10 upwards and usually pay most in ectos and the diff in cash.
This isnt a uber secret as its in plain view for all to see and all the ectos i made in last year were from conset selling and nothing else - i cba with trying to farm high end weapons or trying to sell them for ages in outpost - consets sell easier.
Some players actually farm doa for gems and turn them into ambraces or sell gems - ask the doa farmers how it works and if ( its said somewhere ) doa can net 70 - 100k a run easily ( unsure of run times so not stating ) plus any gems and it all adds up after a few daily runs.
As for players after elite armor - its not a secret that money is so easy to gain , again with a bit of effort any player with either eotn an all campaigns or just factions can make money easily.All campaigns + eotn means a lil work on titles and getting enough materials for consets , the factions only player ( could state prophs with caromi but its slower than sensali in factions ) could just farm stacks of feathers and sell - never seems to be a shortage of "wtb feathers" in the main outposts.
It reminds me of a new player we had in guild around a yr ago - played for a month before joining and was shown feather farming ( they cba to farm the rest of the mats for consets ) and within a few days the newbie was making money and reached 100k mark and was like a man with his first ever paycheck - wasnt till he was showed 100 consets did he understand rich in gw doesnt mean 100k or 1000k but anything higher than that by maybe 2 or 3x.
100k may seem a lot of cash untill you actually see how easy it is to go past that and upwards and suddenly 100k for an item doesnt seem a huge amount taken from your balance.
On a twisted end note - imagine being able to see exactly how much cash your h/h has earned during your gw time would probably blow us away - dunkoro would pwn bill gates fortune easily lol

ahh the good old days URSAN groups in DOA was where it was at and also BOTS and multiple accounts are just a few other ways and we are all going to start at ZERO when GW2 comes out

You already know. People sit in Kamadan all day and "flip" rare miniatures and other useless albeit highly valuable items. Either that or they happened to get a Kanaxai and sat on it for years.

I've never had more than a stack. It gets kind of boring.

To everyone who suggests farming: PLEASE. If you got extremely lucky you might make 100k in an hour. Typical pvx solo farm is only like 15-30k/h. I don't know about speed clears, but I can't imagine it being over 100k. Doing single item trade with lower-end items will easily yield more per hour than the typical solo farm. Several times per week, I get deals that equal several dozen ecto. It just takes time and patience.

The idea is not to spend your money on titles and weapons until you know that you have enough to buy everything you need. Trade with the money that you have saved and you'll get all of your pixels faster than farming.

Well I made alot of my money selling 40/40 collector sets back in the day. Farm what i needed and sell. The most popular one was the fire set only took one WTS fire set to sell it for 7-10k. Oh and also made lots of cash crafting deldrimor steel. You may not think so but I made 700g per and could craft about 500-600/hr farming all mats. So people can do it by any means. Oh and if you are lucky too.

From Beta to early 2007 prices were fair and most everything was obtainable with basic farming
Look at an old Kanaxi Thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/g...t10107450.html
The highest bid 250e and someone laughing at that offer being too high.

Then we have the following events

The Great Dupe of 2007

Tournament Reward Points buying z-keys added

Armbraces being recognized as currency and The development of DOA Speed Clears

RIP Normal Prices 2007

Just keep PvP'ing.

You know how I make money? It's called Garbage Collecting. Ever see someone not pick up their drops? I collect them, sell it and build up my supply of gold.

No farming. No power trading. Just good ol' playing the game and garbage collecting. After all, one person's trash is 1/5000 of a future set of Obsidian Armor.

Im just curious what happens to all those shinny pixles after GW2 comes out. Then again whats money real life or pixels, as long as you enjoy it... power to ya!!

<--net worth about 15 stacks of ectos.. I thought I was wasting my time collecting ectos lol.

just gonna put it out there
botting... i know a guy who bots who make 7 stacks of e a day out of it.

But also ofc ther are lgit ways and power trading is by far the ebst. also con making can net a tidy profit.

I do that too (but I'm not super rich). The other day while doing the ZV, I picked up 5-6K worth of stuff that people left lying around while mapping the place - The Minor Vigor rune was a nice surprise.

But the (innocent) super rich do it by power trading. And I'm sure there are those who got their piles of ectos by UWSCs. (When you see "+ 1,000" in the PS for UWSCs, you know those people have a ton of ectos!)

1750 ectos a day? Explain how thats possible.

Also, do you plan to report this person?

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Also, the 1,000 zkey an hour post...wtf? 2011 and still major exploits.
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This thread is screaming a Mass Dhuum visit is needed.

Also, what steps are being taken to ensure gw2 will be free and clear of this because it seems gw1 has no hope.

You can make as many ectos a day as you want if you have enough accounts.

30 accounts 20k/h

yeah i do.

just depends on what you are into. some peeps want to play. others want to play for fake moneyz. to each their own.

Won't those all share the same ip adress? How many accounts stacked does it take, 25? 50? Anet can't detect that? 50 accounts from 1 ip farming ectos?

there are botters who us emulti pcs's then they use ghost ips to consatntly change i[... ect etc

Don't forget the topk bots that netted 5+ ecto per hour/per account and were run en masse by chinese gold farmers for years

Nope... it could be 50 computers connected via router which has a specigic ip... so technically thats not cheating... But, more realisticly, that guy is probably botting..

A lot of the super rich will prey on the newbies as well. About 3 years ago an officer in my guild said that his daughter won one of the prizes in an art contest or mini madness contest, i don't recall. She received one of the ultra-rare minis for it.

He said someone pm'd her and offered her 100k for it. To her it was more money than she had ever had and quickly sold it before he could warn her not to. We both knew she got scammed, but she hadn't been playing long and thought it was a good deal.

I'll also agree with the "picking up garbage" post. I used to pug DOA back in the Ursan days. I'd go into a full run with 3 superior salvage kits and spend a half hour in the zone after we were done just picking up left overs. I'd leave with 10-15 stacks of mats. (Merchant Summoning Stone was the best thing they ever added to the game!)

Here's an example. First off, sit on your ass in Kamadan all day looking at trade chat and party search. For starters you take something like, let's say alcohol. You buy at 90g/pt until you have 10k pts. You then sell a full title at 140g/pt. There's 500k profit in as little as a day. Now that you have 1.5 mil, let's move on to swords for example. You use the ~169e you now have (126e at day 1) to buy 9 Q9 Emerald Blades @ 15e each then a Q9 Obsidian Edge @ 34e. You then sell those for what they're worth (25e and 60e) and you now have turned those 169 ectos into 285 ectos. Now you move on to Prot BDS's... etc up to asian minis. This is all based on prices I've paid and sold these items for. The difference between me and those mega rich people is I know what the sun looks like and I don't live in Kamadan.

This thread makes me miss red resign day.

I never resigned once.

FoW will earn you ~15-20k per run, a little bit more if you do T1. UWSC varies widely in profit, but best bet is to run a terra (main team gets very little). DoA gets you 70k per run (30-60 mins, depending on guild and tactics). DoA is best for consistent money, but you may prefer trying your luck in FoW and UW chests.

For solo, conset mat farming is the best bet. Farming and selling event drops on their respective weekends is decent.

I have no respect for power traders, as they just prey on the uninformed. The most rich in a game should be the ones best at playing it (both pvp and pve) not who can find the most suckers. But that's just my opinion.

Of course, there is also the illegal ways - botting, hacking rich people's accounts, buying ecto stacks for real money, and the aforementioned duping.

But, luckily GW is not a money-based game. You can get the maximum effective weapons and armor for cheap. Personally, I don't know why anybody would want umpteen stacks of ectos, especially if they already got all the super-expensive stuff (mini kanaxai, etc).