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*Changed the requirements for Zaishen Strongboxes to drop in guild battles.
GvG Update June 10th 2011
ManimarcoDevil
Aycee
Yay 
I wonder what they are now.
I wonder what they are now.
lemming
We'll see how long this stops them. If bans aren't being handed out, I'm not particularly optimistic.
Lord Dagon
how has it been changed tho? and i dont see it on the official sites update notes?
Elnino
Hopefully this will stop the exploits. For now.
Daesu
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Originally Posted by Elnino
Hopefully this will stop the exploits. For now.
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Silverhand
Its too bad they didn't say how the requirements were changed.
Anyone checked?
Anyone checked?
doomfodder
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Originally Posted by Elnino
Hopefully this will stop the exploits. For now.
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Keyez
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Originally Posted by doomfodder
and also drive away all those PvE'ers brought into GvG by the 6/2/11 change?
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Lord Dagon
me and my guildies are calling a hoax on this one. there isnt anything on the updates page about this(seen here http://www.guildwars.com/support/gameupdates/ ) as well as the wiki being updated immediately after the update... with no time to test this... and without a source like the game updates how did they know?(it certainly wasnt 2mins after the update that the wiki was updated and not enough time to check to see if the gvg thing has changed)
Apok
People really need to stop with the mindset that the only way to get PvEer's interested into PvP is to give them loot after each battle....
doomfodder
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Originally Posted by Apok
People really need to stop with the mindset that the only way to get PvEer's interested into PvP is to give them loot after each battle....
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UnicornStampede
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Originally Posted by Keyez
Yeah, pretty much. I thought they wanted gvg more active.
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Premium Unleaded
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Originally Posted by Lord Dagon
me and my guildies are calling a hoax on this one. there isnt anything on the updates page about this(seen here http://www.guildwars.com/support/gameupdates/ ) as well as the wiki being updated immediately after the update... with no time to test this... and without a source like the game updates how did they know?(it certainly wasnt 2mins after the update that the wiki was updated and not enough time to check to see if the gvg thing has changed)
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> http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?...action=history
Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by doomfodder
and also drive away all those PvE'ers brought into GvG by the 6/2/11 change?
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UnicornStampede
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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr
If all those people do is tank and then sync to /resign farm boxes then what were those people doing to help anyone in the first place?
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Ximvotn
Kill the Guild Lord to receive a strongbox now? I'm just guessing.
Keyez
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Originally Posted by Ximvotn
Kill the Guild Lord to receive a strongbox now? I'm just guessing.
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If either guild is under 1000 rating, they are not handed out. This is based on a little bit of testing.
Could be wrong though.
Silverhand
I just won a match in 5 minutes
My guild is 1080 rating, rank 75 and we played a rank 200 guild
No strongboxes for killing lord
EDIT: We killed right before 5 minutes actually. Played another and it lasted just over 5 and we ended up getting boxes.
My guild is 1080 rating, rank 75 and we played a rank 200 guild
No strongboxes for killing lord
EDIT: We killed right before 5 minutes actually. Played another and it lasted just over 5 and we ended up getting boxes.
Keyez
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Originally Posted by Silverhand
I just won a match in 5 minutes
My guild is 1080 rating, rank 75 and we played a rank 200 guild No strongboxes for killing lord |
And you even killed the guild lord. That debunks both of the theories, then.
Hobbs
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Originally Posted by doomfodder
if U could make more $ in PvP than PvE... then why wouldn't a PvE'er switch?
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That's why PvE players won't switch for loot, you have to put a lot of work into PvP to come out with good money and you don't in PvE.
Silverhand
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Originally Posted by Keyez
In the r200's, rating is above 1000. That is very odd.
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UnicornStampede
match is over 5 min=boxes
under 5 min=no boxes.
this doesn't do that much except annoy the actual guilds that play. Since the sync guilds now have to wait 5 instead of 2, but still are able to resign and go in again quickly if they don't get paired with a sync guild. zzzz
This is actually terrible, since most losings teams will just resign out before 5 min, so the winning team gets no boxes.
under 5 min=no boxes.
this doesn't do that much except annoy the actual guilds that play. Since the sync guilds now have to wait 5 instead of 2, but still are able to resign and go in again quickly if they don't get paired with a sync guild. zzzz
This is actually terrible, since most losings teams will just resign out before 5 min, so the winning team gets no boxes.
Silverhand
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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede
match is over 5 min=boxes
under 5 min=no boxes. this doesn't do that much except annoy the actual guilds that play. Since the sync guilds now have to wait 5 instead of 2, but still are able to resign and go in again quickly if they don't get paired with a sync guild. zzzz |
Hobbs
Screwing over the people propping up the PvP system that they're apparently trying to prop up doesn't seem to be a well thought out plan.
UnicornStampede
It punishes a guild for being good, that seem rolls a guild, and they just resign out and winning team gets no boxes.
Martin Alvito
Classic ANet.
Given abuse of the system, the rewards are too good, so people abuse the system. NCSoft isn't willing to pay for people to enforce the rules, so that approach is out. So the solution is to directly nerf the rewards, ignoring the fact that the nerf is insufficient to drive the exploiters back to other activities (because the rewards still outstrip other farms) and that the nerf therefore effectively punishes the innocent.
You'd think that there would be somebody in the hierarchy with a bachelor's degree in economics, a brain and the communication skills to prevent this sort of idiocy.
This decision just can't be sugarcoated. It's clearly been made by people who are totally out of touch with the incentives that drive players to engage in behavior.
Given abuse of the system, the rewards are too good, so people abuse the system. NCSoft isn't willing to pay for people to enforce the rules, so that approach is out. So the solution is to directly nerf the rewards, ignoring the fact that the nerf is insufficient to drive the exploiters back to other activities (because the rewards still outstrip other farms) and that the nerf therefore effectively punishes the innocent.
You'd think that there would be somebody in the hierarchy with a bachelor's degree in economics, a brain and the communication skills to prevent this sort of idiocy.
This decision just can't be sugarcoated. It's clearly been made by people who are totally out of touch with the incentives that drive players to engage in behavior.
Ximvotn
Very bad update if the time requirement is true, punishes everyone but the farming guilds.
lemming
On the bright side, it looks like they've banned a few guilds off the bottom end of the ladder.
Lord Dagon
oohh so bad.... guilds have to wait another 3 whole minutes to get rewards.... thats really not bad.
i dont see this being a nerf really... you get less rewards.. but really its still easy... fail nerf is fail
i dont see this being a nerf really... you get less rewards.. but really its still easy... fail nerf is fail
doomfodder
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Originally Posted by Silverhand
I just won a match in 5 minutes
My guild is 1080 rating, rank 75 and we played a rank 200 guild No strongboxes for killing lord EDIT: We killed right before 5 minutes actually. Played another and it lasted just over 5 and we ended up getting boxes. |
&... If this is true - 5 min vs 2 min.. I don't see how this 3 min "penalty" will reduce abuse. But what do I know... Guess when we play a spike from now on, we have to deliberately manipulate the match by "NOT kill B4 5 min" if we want an sbox. Can't wait for one of those 3 1/2 min matches rushing the Opponents base only to have to run bak to ours to defend for 1 1/2 mion then go back to opponents base... LOL
FoxBat
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Originally Posted by doomfodder
Hmmm... So the strategy of rushing the Opponents basein order to Kill the Lord "QUICKLY" with a spike team might NOT actually yield an sbox.... Interesting... It appears as if ANET is steering the "game play" just a bit...
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lursey
if you are too good and abusing the noob, why are you getting the box anyway...
ShattuckEW
Excellent, an update that punishes the casual player and does nothing to curb the problem at all. Gee, thanks Anet. Like an extra 3 minutes is going to deter cheaters from farming a free 10k item, hah.
Here is an idea: Do not allow resigns until 10 minutes in or something. That way if they are still stubborn enough to cheat, at least they will have to do it slowly. But if you can still beat them legit in 2 minutes give them the strongbox. All this does is kill an entire gameplay style (rush) that was an entirely legitimate strategy, and I can almost guarantee the people cheating are still going to cheat.
Or better yet, who cares? Of every MMORPG I have ever played, this is the one where gold matters least. I could care less if someone cheats all day and makes a ton of money, it gives them literally no advantage. But instead of allowing the casual players to have fun and make a little money to buy all the shiny, useless things we want, instead we get screwed over to stop a few cheaters in a half-dead game. Wonderful idea.
Comedy option: BAN THE CHEATERS. I realize this takes things like *gasp* time and energy, but I'm sure there are plenty of people that would even be willing to volunteer to monitor GvG. Or just implement a way to report the cheating teams through observer mode or something and ban them that way. It's not like it is hard to tell who is cheating.
Either way this is a crappy way to treat legit players, and it just smacks of being too lazy to actually address the problem. I was optimistic about the introduction of strongboxes and the seeming revitalization of PvP, at least in the short term, but if updates are trending in this direction I fear it won't last very long. Very disappointing.
Here is an idea: Do not allow resigns until 10 minutes in or something. That way if they are still stubborn enough to cheat, at least they will have to do it slowly. But if you can still beat them legit in 2 minutes give them the strongbox. All this does is kill an entire gameplay style (rush) that was an entirely legitimate strategy, and I can almost guarantee the people cheating are still going to cheat.
Or better yet, who cares? Of every MMORPG I have ever played, this is the one where gold matters least. I could care less if someone cheats all day and makes a ton of money, it gives them literally no advantage. But instead of allowing the casual players to have fun and make a little money to buy all the shiny, useless things we want, instead we get screwed over to stop a few cheaters in a half-dead game. Wonderful idea.
Comedy option: BAN THE CHEATERS. I realize this takes things like *gasp* time and energy, but I'm sure there are plenty of people that would even be willing to volunteer to monitor GvG. Or just implement a way to report the cheating teams through observer mode or something and ban them that way. It's not like it is hard to tell who is cheating.
Either way this is a crappy way to treat legit players, and it just smacks of being too lazy to actually address the problem. I was optimistic about the introduction of strongboxes and the seeming revitalization of PvP, at least in the short term, but if updates are trending in this direction I fear it won't last very long. Very disappointing.
UnicornStampede
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Originally Posted by lursey
if you are too good and abusing the noob, why are you getting the box anyway...
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Keyez
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Originally Posted by doomfodder
Hmmm... So the strategy of rushing the Opponents basein order to Kill the Lord "QUICKLY" with a spike team might NOT actually yield an sbox.... Interesting... It appears as if ANET is steering the "game play" just a bit...
&... If this is true - 5 min vs 2 min.. I don't see how this 3 min "penalty" will reduce abuse. But what do I know... Guess when we play a spike from now on, we have to deliberately manipulate the match by "NOT kill B4 5 min" if we want an sbox. Can't wait for one of those 3 1/2 min matches rushing the Opponents base only to have to run bak to ours to defend for 1 1/2 mion then go back to opponents base... LOL |
Silverhand
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Originally Posted by doomfodder
Hmmm... So the strategy of rushing the Opponents basein order to Kill the Lord "QUICKLY" with a spike team might NOT actually yield an sbox.... Interesting... It appears as if ANET is steering the "game play" just a bit...
&... If this is true - 5 min vs 2 min.. I don't see how this 3 min "penalty" will reduce abuse. But what do I know... Guess when we play a spike from now on, we have to deliberately manipulate the match by "NOT kill B4 5 min" if we want an sbox. Can't wait for one of those 3 1/2 min matches rushing the Opponents base only to have to run bak to ours to defend for 1 1/2 mion then go back to opponents base... LOL |
And @ the people who say winning in that time frame means you play bad people. That's not necessarily true as there are plenty of circumstances where good guilds can lose in that time frame. For instance, spike a monk right before the two minute marker and he gets based. A team can easily wipe after that and give time to kill the guild lord. Same thing as if a monk gets after-timed and the other team wipes from a pressure build(aka trip dervs lol).
Elnino
Typical Anet, screwing up this game with yet another update.
Spiritz
Ok ive only read a bit of this but im a bit confused and trying not to lmao at same time.Few days ago we have on guru posts about getting strongboxes thru cheating and players complaining and some even suggesting the time gets lengthened to stop the resigning.Now anet does this and now we still have ppl moaning how the times increased.
Only thing i can say is - tough!!.
No way are both sides going to be pleased so one side has to live with anets fix - those who are complaining would seem to be players who exploited gvg before and are now crying over it ( if im mistaken on any players i say sorry ) as they cant make money as fast now selling strongboxes.
Only thing i can say is - tough!!.
No way are both sides going to be pleased so one side has to live with anets fix - those who are complaining would seem to be players who exploited gvg before and are now crying over it ( if im mistaken on any players i say sorry ) as they cant make money as fast now selling strongboxes.
Missing HB
Indirectly , farming boxes isn't going to end because of that , but i don't see the point of complainers considering :
- Usually GvG fights always last more than 5mn , if team resigned before , 90% of time it will be because of DC
- Even if team is resigning , you still earn ladder points , you only don't get a chest and that's the same than pre-update
- Usually GvG fights always last more than 5mn , if team resigned before , 90% of time it will be because of DC
- Even if team is resigning , you still earn ladder points , you only don't get a chest and that's the same than pre-update