why are uninscribable or oldschool weapons so special?

Can someone translate this?

He can get the skin in pvp for 6 reward points......

Had the person left it at I bought it for this much and like it...I wouldn't have commented on it......the reason I commented on it was the laughter bit..the I am holier than thou comment. That was the bit that makes me sick of some ppl, that they feel the need to insult ppl for the sake of feeding their own egos.

It's not a "I'm holier" comment, it's just a comment on how people with "rare" weapons everyone and their mother has think they're going to impress others and how it's really funny to me when they try that trick on myself.

I mean, seriously, a BDS? B... D... S... ? Come on.

It's as impressive as a monk in black obsi, green failgloves, a blindfold and a name in ALL CAPS in Kamadan ad1.

Monk Obsi looks like trash. Real pros use Elite Kurzick.

Blindfolds are legit tho.

You said it not I.......if u cannot see how conceded that come off as....lord help ya.

I don't think a lot people that really like and want non-inscription stuff think that people that use only them are "idiots" you make a lot of assumptions raptors. Most of the people started playing the game at the start or near the start - when you farmed like mad just to get a decent drop of your favorite weapon or item. When a r8 14 stance chaos axe was worth a good bit because it was rare to find good ones.

Personally I don't care much if inscription items, greens, trader items etc are around - but I think they should have had both of everything so that people that prefer to work for it can do so- if you just want something handed to you fine. If you don't have time to work for a rare item that is okay too - but for those that are okay with working for it I am sick of people whining they don't have everything easy.

And part of why I am thinking cataphract stated it that way is as I have seen - there are many in game that brag on and on about having a BDS, chaos gloves and other things and say they are "rare". Far from common - but if they were part of the old system 99% of them would be junk. I have had people laugh at me when I show them a r8 20/20 staff saying their BDS is way better and much more rare. The way it was stated was cataphract laughed at them for the same supposed reason you were laughing at their comment except they brag about something that is not that hard to obtain and honestly makes them look silly.


I also really prefer a lot of the more basic items as well. I had a big collection of tall shields because to me they look like what an actual warrior would use vs some of the others that would be impossible to wield. The same with many weapons. To each their own though - many things I think are just plain hideous others like but they look at it all the time not me and if they like it fine.

I'll have to be really polite since you're a moderator so - Please, for the love of lord you somehow managed to mention, read the last two paragraphs of Stuey's post. Amen, brother.

Its just site contributor/ ex mod with green name

But anyways. Ive bought uninsc / oldschool items just because i personally thing nf ruined the game with inscription, as well as with some other things like heros and overpowered PvE skills.

As ive been playing since the beginnin and saw the "only non inscri" time. in all ways i tho it was better, as ive explained in some other threads, Back then, Non perfect items were fine.. 13-14% dmg for wep in use is just the same as 15%, but still nowadays noneone would take other then perfect..

Back then every item was able be worth some. Nowadays even perf r9 items are crap.

yep just like 1 off gothic and echovald shields went for hundreds of ectos now they get barely half of that price, there are only very few skins that are actually worth that much because of there rarity., i just dont consider an item that still drops thats half unusable is worth that much nowadays.

pre nf i was easily selling 2-3 off eternals for like 100k each.

sad story but people got to move on from the past!

well, gothic and echovald and other non-ins only skins are the only thing I am not worried about.. The market for them is still pretty active and a good one will fetch hundreds of ectos. It is just a shame NF pretty much reduced the experience of a rare drop to canthan/tyrian shields, foci and staves.

On the other hand most of my characters are PvP characters with chaos gloves, perfect bo staves and PvP-reward only 20/20 foci/wands. This is legit bsns tho.

I live in the past, not the now! I still play prophecies and factions campaigns because they are supa!!! I like the WiK stuff too because the chance for interesting uninsc drops is there.

Well, tbh, I am worried that Anet might do something stupid and give them as available inscr drops in WoC.. By god let's hope that doesn't happen..

You would honestly think A-Net would get a clue after the mausoleum. People were farming that thing like mad to get NF weapons in the non-inscription version. A few people I know of were going there every day and doing the same boring run over and over just for that. Now people are paying good money for a r9 15^50 scythe and the other items that normally would be inscription only... I'd really like if they added in something like Sorrows Furnace with new non-inscription weapons.

And honestly Hard Mode killed a bunch of weapons as well - as it used to be very rare to find a max sephis axe, or dead bow; and that is just two examples out of many. I would not have minded if they cut back on the drop rate of "rare" items in HM - would not want a bunch of white items but purples, etc - this has destroyed any desire to own many things as they are all over.

A few things that I do not understand is why they took items that were once unique as rewards for Halls and made them very common inscription items - dwarven axes, serpents.... except for crystalines but they can only be found inscription now.

/agree would love to hear a answer

Well, the answer is quite simple:

"WHEEEEEEE, I want that purdy axe as well!! WHHHEEEE!!! WHHHEEEEEE!!!!! GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!"

That's how most of the player base reacts to expensive non-inscr stuff. And Anet is the bad mother in the grocery store that gives the annoying crying kid his stupid candy, as long as it makes him shut up. But it won't make him shut up, because the next time they're in the store, the entire scene will start again, but then he'll ask for an easier drunkard title, etc...

Don't get me started on the drunkard title..... I sat in town for most of that.... that really pissed me off.

And I already knew the answer too really, and it is just as you said...

Also just to be known meant gold crystalines - I know you can still get the purples elsewhere as well..

probably not because people are crying, development team obviously haven't analyzed the game enough or played it enough to know whats rare and whats not, evidently shown in pvp rewards and what classifications they give items.

i dont think anyone has ever cried about wanting this or that because i think most would actually prefer having something unique but it was too late when nightfall was released and they headed down that path ever since.

serpent axes was a good skin but eotn and the zchest and inscriptions all together devalued it to nothing like most skins.

Well tbh, with a large part of the playerbase QQ'ing that everything is too hard, or too rare, or w/e, Anet keeps giving in.. Don't get me wrong, the changes to Survivor and LDoA were good and needed, but things like drunkard and most other titles have become a joke.. Also, look at the Sardelac part of these forums and count the QQ threads of ppl wanting Treasure Hunter to be made easier, or that they want ALL skins to drop inscr and stuff like that.. As long as they keep crying for long enough, and gather enough people to QQ, they might get what they want..

Remember when Stygian Reavers were worth 500e?

I remember when I got a q10 for 160e, good thing I sold mine before they went down in price. Thanks CoF/Zchest.

But yeah I'm pretty disappointed about magmas shields/dwarven axes/tyrian serpents being inscribable..

Every time there is a thread that talks about anything like this there is always people that say they want everything inscription and it is not fair that things are not handed to them because they don't have time to make enough money for the rare items. I play lots of games that I don't have everything all the other people have that are able to put in way more time but I don't complain - it just takes more time and when I do get it I APPRECIATE IT.

And they obviously know something about items otherwise they would not have done the whole bit with r7 swords - which if you read dev notes on some sites they say they wanted to add them for short periods to create rare/special items. Also over the years they have messed with weapons here and there with nerfs etc. Honestly I think it started with the weapon traders - then they added greens - then with NF they added the inscription system. They obviously noticed something, had complaints, or in the end - why add it?

some item, for example, Bo staff and outcast shield are considered "rare" hugely due to the influence of this website and assumptions should never be taken as facts. For example, assuming that a uninscribable crystaline is "rarer" than inscribable crystaline are nothing more than just guessing. Look at HA now and the past, its more or less a dead town, there could jolly well be more uninscribable ones around.

Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare. There will always be someone who collects a lot of lesser known items such as Guardian Branch, Outcast shield, Bo Staff etc and spending weeks inflating it in guru and giving "reasons" like it is "super nice looking", "super rare" etc.

Knowing how human "epeen" oriented minds works, for example, a simple and commonly drop item such as Bo Staff suddenly becomes "rare" and sells like hotcakes.

Next, you will have people coming in and telling me i m stupid, and forcefully reinforcing the "fact" that Bo Staff and outcase shield is super rare etc.
Worst case scenario, someone may just come in, lock the thread and ban me for a while.

Lol, euhm, you do realize that everything you said is complete BS, right?

uninscr crystallines (gold ones) can not drop anymore, they used to only drop from HoH chest, which used to only drop an item for 1 person in the party (I think?). Hence why the amount of uninscr cryssies is far lower than isncr. Also, that crap about HA being dead? Zchest says hi. Oh, and most uninscr cryssies are on dead/banned accounts, so they're lost as well.

Then, Bo staffs. Bo staffs aren't a rare drop, in fact they're common as dirt, the blue and the white ones, that is. I dare you to go and farm me a q9 20/20 (any attribute) bo staff. I'll talk to you again in about 5 years.. Their droprate is so retardedly low, and the chances of actually getting a 20/20 are even lower, thus they are rare.

Outcast shields then.. I might be a bad example for this, because GW hates me. I once tried farming them, and I opened about 2,000 Outcast chests both in HM and in NM, and I got 5 Outcast shields total: 3 gold, 2 purple (or vice versa) and they were all shit. Other people have better luck and get a shield every ~100 chests, but I don't. But to stay on the subject, they aren't rare, if you wanted one, you'd easily get one, it's the mods that are rare. If you knew anything about uninscr shields, then you'd know that actually getting a dualmod shield is already a pain in the ass, then getting one with decent mods is even worse..

Your entire retarded rant could've been avoided if you knew anything about how uninscr drops and basic statistics work..

Thank you for pointing out the absurdity in the claims above... Saved me a lot of typing.

Any time bro

Can't tell if trolling ... or just very stupid

Y u no know how gw economy works?!?!

nope, i m not trolling but is definately stupid to some that thinks or feels differently, but i will not label those that feels differently "stupid".I am passed that age of labelling others and calling people names. It is just different perspective.

For example, There could jolly well be more Uninscrible Q9 20/20 Celestial Staff, Cockatrice Staff, Dragon Staff, Forbidden Staff,Outcast Staff,Plagueborn Staff than Bo Staff. Without a credible source of information and with no official statistic to back me up, I do not have the audacity to say that any of those canthan staff above is "rarer" than the other one.

As for those that "claims" that they open "thousands" of chest and none drops, well, bad luck is bad luck. One could do a UW smite run with no ectos drops, that does not means that smite doesn't drop ectos often for others doing the same run.

Making absurd assumptions and empty claims does not means that it is the fact.

This forum is a little sarcastic? just kidding =)

You are making absurd assumptions. Please just stay out of this thread, your input is not valued.

Lol, you have never heard of statistics, have you?

Your example is flawed in so many ways it's ridiculous.. You're comparing 1 smite run with 2,000 chests. That's like saying: "I will take 1 random person on the streets and as him if he's gay. Oh, he's not, conclusion, there are no gay people, or otherwise, if he is, everyone is gay."
Doing something repeatedly and noting the results is a way of determining facts, in fact that's how statistics work in real life. They look at as many example as possible and will draw conclusions, which I have done from chest running. Running ~8,000 chests, and getting like 3 decent dual mod uninscr shields will yield the conclusion that decent dual mod shields are rare.
It's not a solid conclusion, but it's safe to assume they are rare then. Again, this is how real life statistics work, you might wanna look into it some time.

Also, the way of telling which one is rares is by looking at the market. Your so called claim of "you can't know exactly" is in fact true, but you're missing a huge bit. You're saying that us saying something is rare is flawed cause there could be an evil person that has hundreds of them and is keeping them from the market to make money. Well, by all means, he is entitled to do so, but determining the rarity of something is seeing howmany are available for sale, if someone had 1,000 mini Kanaxai's, but he would only put 1 up for sale, then it would be damn rare, cause there would be only 1 available, but there still would be a thousand of them.

Again, your stupid little rant could've been solved by common sense.

Chiming in on hello guy there... umm... You don't know anything. Yea, that about sums it up. If you're going to speak, make sure it's not some hypocritic statement that overtly labels a great deal of people here as liars, or people inflating a certain market.

Oh, and just because... the list of staves you listed.
Celestial Staff, Cockatrice Staff, Dragon Staff, Forbidden Staff,Outcast Staff,Plagueborn Staff than Bo Staff
I'll just re order that for you.
Dragon Staff, Bo Staff, Outcast Staff, Forbidden Staff, Celestial Staff, Plagueborn Staff, Cockatrice Staff.
That is my opinion, and i'll grant that they may not be in perfect order, and in fact are most likely impossible to perfectly order. The fact remains that Dragon Staves are likely the rarest staves in game, followed directly if not tied with bo staves. Outcast and Forbidden staves with 20/20 mods are also very rare. Then Cele, plague and cockatrice are all easily obtained in chests that are extremely easy to access, making them less rare, but still very rare to obtain (edit) with perfect 20/20 mods (edit/).

FURTHERMORE>....>>>@@$@#! Crystallines in uninsc form in gold are rare. How rare? REALLY RARE. SO RARE that you obviously have no idea. As for there being stats on how many of these things there are and so forth... Here's a little insight for you.
R8 15^50 Crystallines were in less abundance when they dropped then (edit)most of the highend minis (kanaxai, panda.. etc.) (edit/).... One better... All 15^50 uninsc crystallines when they dropped, were in less abundance than R9 insc crystallines. How do i know this? simple.. EVERYONE who played this game with any seriousness during 05-07 knows this.(this is an assumption based on an educated guess that has been made with respect to years of combined knowledge of some of the smartest traders in the game... roughly)

Ok, now that I'm done explaining to you how ridiculous your post was, and that in no way can you salvage any meaningful argument, I think I'll end with a little bit of advice.

Next time you insist on making a point.


"assumptions should never be taken as facts"

"Unlike Minipets such as Kanaxai, there is never any official statistic that shows if any weapon/shield are rare."

Make sure that you don't directly violate your own point, and make sure that your point makes sense.

No one knows exactly how many unded Kanaxai there are, since many were banned. In other words... That's a really crappy example, and there are no good examples as the accounts getting banned include the ones with highend pets as well...

Kaboom.

My plat staff feels left out. : (

On a serious note, good answer.

helloeveryone must be the same guy in kamadan trying to tell me a 20/10 forbidden staff is worth the same amount as a 20/20 with matching attributes because "10% hct has the same amount of chance to drop as any 20% hct"

Hahaha. Lol.

just when i finally got something food from tombs back then, id'd deathbane aaaaaaaa

was req9 also

All I can say is... wow. helloeveryone you should take the time to read and try to understand what has been posted before trying to comment about things which you obviously have no clue whatsoever about.



Quoted from helloeveryone on a thread about 20/20 bo staves:
this Bo staff thingy is the new overprice item due to some group having stored a bunch of it and now want to offload it eh?
one simple reason, bostaff looks completely uncreative, no "wow" effect, totally simple skin, and it is UGLY as hell



Why someone has to gripe so much about something they hate I don't know..... no one is forcing anyone to pay anything for a bo staff. The people that are spending 200e+ for a nice r9 20/20 know more than you do obviously about how rare they are and you are the biggest hypocrite because you rant about everyone having an opinion but you are the type that your opinion is always the right one obviously. I have one bo staff that is 20/20 and it is r13 air 20/20 air magic and it is customized so I am not part of your obvious conspiracy theory about people trying to make them go up in value.

You mean Kabong. It's OK. You can use it.

You are part of a conspiracy? How can I join?

20/20... <3 Air Magic... <3 Bo Staff... <3

*drools uncontrollably*