Z-Coins really worth the effort?
tenderpoison
Hi everyone. I just started this thread hoping to satisfy my curiosity. I wanna get an envoy weapon, as probably a lot more guys want. And here comes the problem : 100 gold coins. Really? That much. Well...I can either pay to buy it, in which case the satisfaction will not last too much or I can actually work to get it. So, even though I can easily afford buying one, I went with the point of all z-quests, missions and w/e and started doing all the z-stuff every day. It's been more than 1 week and I only have 11 gold coins. I don't have more than 2 hours / day to spend playing GW, so I can't do everything on all chars. Then I thought I should do the math here...more or less...it will take me how much time to get 100 gold coins? 2 months? Maybe. Depends on how fast I will get bored with doing z-stuff every day on all chars I possibly can, ignoring the rest of the game and hurrying from one spot to another, hurrying to find a group or to change my Heroes' setup for the next thing etc., ignoring my guild, buddies and everything else. So 2 months of doing z-stuff only every day sounds ok to everyone? Is it just me or the rewards are a little too small (compared to the length & difficulty of the ZB/ZM/ZC/ZV)?
EPO Bot
Use a collectors weapon and beat the game with it. The rest is extra.
mage767
Pick your daily zaishen quests wisely
P.S. 100 coins is not worth the effort for semi-decent skins in a semi-dead game
P.S. 100 coins is not worth the effort for semi-decent skins in a semi-dead game
Odinius
If you have all you titles done the small reward of copper can get a little frustrating, if not you get well on your way to filling a bunch of them.
But you want this weapon and don't want to pay 200e for it you just have to go with the flow of daily quests i'm afraid.
2 months ain't that bad or are you afraid the price of the weps have dropped by then.
I have worked/farmed longer than 2 months for some items I really wanted.
And above all, this you should alk yourself if YOU think it's worth it, not us
But you want this weapon and don't want to pay 200e for it you just have to go with the flow of daily quests i'm afraid.
2 months ain't that bad or are you afraid the price of the weps have dropped by then.
I have worked/farmed longer than 2 months for some items I really wanted.
And above all, this you should alk yourself if YOU think it's worth it, not us
cosyfiep
when the zcoins first came out--I did all the bounties I could and all the missions with as many characters as I could (15 times thru blacktide den in one day--bleh!) after the first week or so I couldnt keep up...I started to pick and choose which ones to do with which characters---after a month I had enough gold coins for ONE heavy bag. ....now to get ones for the other dozen characters 
....yeah didnt happen.
so just the THOUGHT of getting 100--blows my mind away...I have 2 yes 2 right now and I worked all week long to get those. (vanquishes help a lot now--wish they had been around from the start).....I dont see me getting that nice staff for quite some time---maybe as a wintersday gift----
(to answer the question---NO! they are not worth it)
....yeah didnt happen.so just the THOUGHT of getting 100--blows my mind away...I have 2 yes 2 right now and I worked all week long to get those. (vanquishes help a lot now--wish they had been around from the start).....I dont see me getting that nice staff for quite some time---maybe as a wintersday gift----
(to answer the question---NO! they are not worth it)
ruk1a
You are better off just doing gvg on top of other shit for that random chance to get it in the zaishen box.
MidnightOokami
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Yeah it seems ridiculous to ask for 100 G-ZCoins but I guess ANet wanted to put in something else that people would go crazy for and spend money on. I mean if it was armor you better believe it would be worth it.
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I wouldn't even try getting an envoy weapon.
I mean ... it's just a MASSIVE money sink and no one knows you even own one unless you group a lot.
It doesn't even count for HoM, so you might as well turn what could be money for an envoy weapon into money for a set of Obsidian Armor. Or more points for HoM since Envoy Weapons aren't going to be passed from GW1 to GW2. Just my point of view.
Yeah it seems ridiculous to ask for 100 G-ZCoins but I guess ANet wanted to put in something else that people would go crazy for and spend money on. I mean if it was armor you better believe it would be worth it.
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I wouldn't even try getting an envoy weapon.
I mean ... it's just a MASSIVE money sink and no one knows you even own one unless you group a lot.
It doesn't even count for HoM, so you might as well turn what could be money for an envoy weapon into money for a set of Obsidian Armor. Or more points for HoM since Envoy Weapons aren't going to be passed from GW1 to GW2. Just my point of view.
Mcsnake85
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Yeah it seems ridiculous to ask for 100 G-ZCoins but I guess ANet wanted to put in something else that people would go crazy for and spend money on. I mean if it was armor you better believe it would be worth it. [Off Topic] I wouldn't even try getting an envoy weapon. I mean ... it's just a MASSIVE money sink and no one knows you even own one unless you group a lot. It doesn't even count for HoM, so you might as well turn what could be money for an envoy weapon into money for a set of Obsidian Armor. Or more points for HoM since Envoy Weapons aren't going to be passed from GW1 to GW2. Just my point of view. |
All the rest is optional,i dont understand why ppl keep complain about it...the fact are :
* Droknar's Forge Armors (4k+materials) = Obsidian Armor (105e+105shards+60k+materials)
* High-End Skins (100k+) = Weapons Crafters or Collectors (5k+Materials)
* PVE Titles Are Optionals (Except Skills Titles)
* PVP Titles Are Optionals
* Minipets Are Optionals
* Hero's Armors Appearence Are Optionals
* Ectos and rare materials Are Optionals
* Zkeys Are Optionals
* Gold Coins and Envoy Weapons Are Optionals
* Tonics Are Optionals
and i can keep going.
With this i mean,if you want only play the storyline to complete the game,you just need random q9 weapons with max stats and max armor that you can buy for 5k.
Even if you want do more, for example complete all quests in HM, you dont need high-end weapons or Armors..they dont chance your stats but just the skin...
People forgot this.
farmerfez
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Yeah it seems ridiculous to ask for 100 G-ZCoins but I guess ANet wanted to put in something else that people would go crazy for and spend money on. I mean if it was armor you better believe it would be worth it. [Off Topic] I wouldn't even try getting an envoy weapon. I mean ... it's just a MASSIVE money sink and no one knows you even own one unless you group a lot. It doesn't even count for HoM, so you might as well turn what could be money for an envoy weapon into money for a set of Obsidian Armor. Or more points for HoM since Envoy Weapons aren't going to be passed from GW1 to GW2. Just my point of view. |
Iuris
First, the OP already stated he can easily buy the sword, ie, he's already rich, but that then the weapon would be worth little as he wouldn't have worked for it (kudos on someone realizing it, like me, although I'll earn and buy my Zcoins for it
Second, the Envoy weapons are mostly meant to be a goal for people who, like me, no longer have a goal in the game. I've done everything, I've got everything, I had nothing to do - and BANG, an update brings us a new goal to work for.
Second, the Envoy weapons are mostly meant to be a goal for people who, like me, no longer have a goal in the game. I've done everything, I've got everything, I had nothing to do - and BANG, an update brings us a new goal to work for.
Verene
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Lithril Ashwalker
Do what I did, get necessities to unlock all items for gw2 screw the rest or do it on your one time and hoard stuff with money so u can buy the epeen
Carboplatin
Depends on how much your time is worth? Do you have a job? A 13 y/o with nothing to do over summer vacation?
Personally, 100 G-coins is way too much, I think its easier to get 100 ectos.
Personally, 100 G-coins is way too much, I think its easier to get 100 ectos.
Kook~NBK~
IMHO, it's not a question of Z-coins being worth it, but are envoy weapons worth it? And my answer is absolutely not. Just another max weapon skin, and a ho-hum skin at that. I'd much rather use z-coins for Heavy Equipment Packs (something that's very useful) or Z-Keys (either for re-sale or to use to test my luck oe chest).
Hobbs
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Personally, 100 G-coins is way too much, I think its easier to get 100 ectos.
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wilebill
No, 100 Z Coins way too much time, effort for mere Envoy skin. I used them for bags, was fun up to that point.
gremlin
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No, 100 Z Coins way too much time, effort for mere Envoy skin. I used them for bags, was fun up to that point.
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Still do the Z missions but only the easy and fast ones on multiple characters, will see how many coins I can get to before boredom sets in.
system.fan
well depends.... they are not worth wasting your time doing 10 boring missions every day.
but sometimes there are missions like imperial sanctum giving 100+ copper coins and can be finished with every toon in like 1:30minutes....
or there are some bosses u can kill rly rly fast with every toon you have.
so you spend like 1-2hours doing missions or killing a boss for 15-20 silver coins...
but sometimes there are missions like imperial sanctum giving 100+ copper coins and can be finished with every toon in like 1:30minutes....
or there are some bosses u can kill rly rly fast with every toon you have.
so you spend like 1-2hours doing missions or killing a boss for 15-20 silver coins...
rrthorne
gw is just a game... entertainment. if you find it fun obtaining that weapon the hard way then it is worth it to you. i hope they introduce an invisible weapon at a trader for
100 000 ectos.
100 000 ectos.
Vilaptca
My favorite part about this is that, we were told in GW2 that we'd have a token system for the armor in dungeons, but it wouldn't require an insane amount of tokens to get your armor pieces. But here we see them doing the exact opposite in GW1, it makes me worry that they will pull this kind of crap in GW2 despite what they are telling us now.
jazilla
i think they are way too expensive. i would rather get my way up to a set of PvP Obsidian Armor or PvP Chaos Gauntlets than get one of those weapons.
Lithril Ashwalker
Just wait till they have specific armor for purchase in the in game store with great skins for gw2. Or weapons or gw2 . Wow was I heArd bad about releasing content after content and charged for them. God help us if gw 2 will have expansions like gw1 personally I wouldn't min cosTumes for purchase but nothing we can use. Let's hope gw2 will be the only game after gw1 without expansions like factions.
If u want to get something worth 200e etc farm it get it and when I tire of it sell it and get ur money back or that THEN SUM ... Power tradin wurks
If u want to get something worth 200e etc farm it get it and when I tire of it sell it and get ur money back or that THEN SUM ... Power tradin wurks
wilebill
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My favorite part about this is that, we were told in GW2 that we'd have a token system for the armor in dungeons, but it wouldn't require an insane amount of tokens to get your armor pieces. But here we see them doing the exact opposite in GW1, it makes me worry that they will pull this kind of crap in GW2 despite what they are telling us now.
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It is better to leave players with "nothing to do" than provide grind as mindless entertainment.
Chthon
My suspicion is that WoC will include a decent way to get ZCoins. Even a-net must understand that 100GZCoins is a little extreme.
Lord Dagon
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My suspicion is that WoC will include a decent way to get ZCoins. Even a-net must understand that 100GZCoins is a little extreme.
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and @ op no i wouldn't waste my time on getting all those coins. what i might do is work till you get tired of farming coins and(if you still want the envoy weapons) buy however many gold zcoins you need. that way you played until you got bored, and mitigated the cost of the weapon at the same time.
just my thoughts, have doing with YOU chose to do.. don't let peer pressure influence your choices
ACWhammy
It sounds to me like you're asking from a time vs money perspective.
If that's the case, then the answer is no. It's easier/faster to farm the money and buy the zcoins.
If that's the case, then the answer is no. It's easier/faster to farm the money and buy the zcoins.
Eragon Zarroc
just take your time and do it over a period of 6 months instead of 2 
gremlin
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gw is just a game... entertainment. if you find it fun obtaining that weapon the hard way then it is worth it to you. i hope they introduce an invisible weapon at a trader for
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You could say there is grind in GW there is always grind in any game, however there isn't compulsory grind to any great level.
If you had to get lightbringer to level 10 to finish the game that would be grind.
If you had to gain all titles to qualify for a special title then that is not grind in the accepted sense.
Shayne Hawke
Not worth the time to get them anymore for big ticket items, like the equip bags, fireworks, or envoy weapons, since you can just buy them up quick and get your item.
Essence Snow
Coins for the packs sure...for weaps......let me try to do some dunk math.....200e.....1400k (lowside) or 100 gold coins or 1k silver @2k ea 2000k...excuse me if my math is off...I have been drinking.....correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like buying the dern things are cheaper than selling the silver coins.
godis
11 coins in 1 week is fast.
tenderpoison
Well. Starting with lol at some messages...I'm 33 years old and yeah I work, that's why I can only play 2-3 hours / day at the most. And yeah, I have 33 titles, 50/50 for HoM already. Iuris got the point of what I was curious about. Just as simple as that : isn't it a little too crazy to ask for 100 gold z-coins for one weapon? If everyone would just pay, then who's working for the gold coins? Even if my purpose in game at the moment is to find a purpose. It just seems idiotic to ask for such a big amount of time and effort of anyone, no matter if it's a 13 years old or a 65 years old, to spend on just doing all z-stuff every day, all day long, on all chars...that unless they intend this to be some kind of thing to motivate us for playing one more year and so on. Wasn't complaining about anything. Just asking : 100 gold z-coins is A LOT just to me or to anyone? And thanks all. Love reading all the messages. I can only conclude that everyone already put a lot of thinking into this.
Spiritz
Ive flicked thru this thread and my views are - the new weapons are part of 2 things- money sink and something more aimed towards pvper`s.
Reason i say pvper`s is because - pvp players have in the past moaned that they dont get anything decent and a while back anet introduced pve weapon and armor skins for pvp.Now if we look at the difference between pvp and pve zmissions etc for what we get in pve as rewards can be very low ( as some players have said in the past ) but if you are a pvp person then everything is repeatable in pvp.
Now ive mainly seen pvper`s selling the equip packs and ive only heard a few pve players actually getting enough from pve z stff to get one.
The avg pve person may have a few chrs who done all campaigns and have the ability to do all the z-pve stuff and yet the amount of coins would be small compared to avg pvp player who may have 3 or 4 times more - and we know when its ab/ja/fq players swarm for the zcombat.
Moaning that the new weapons cost 200e+ is a bit sad and its not anets fault but ours - i dont see anet stating each coins worth xx but its the player base who decides the price.
How the hell does someone decide the price at start i dunno and how everyone else copies the price after again is beyond me.It may be nice for the sellers to have a high price ( tho a lot of pure pvp players have said in the past they dont pve nor need cash ) but at the other end its the buyers who can get the short end of the stick and have to pay high amounts.
Reason i say pvper`s is because - pvp players have in the past moaned that they dont get anything decent and a while back anet introduced pve weapon and armor skins for pvp.Now if we look at the difference between pvp and pve zmissions etc for what we get in pve as rewards can be very low ( as some players have said in the past ) but if you are a pvp person then everything is repeatable in pvp.
Now ive mainly seen pvper`s selling the equip packs and ive only heard a few pve players actually getting enough from pve z stff to get one.
The avg pve person may have a few chrs who done all campaigns and have the ability to do all the z-pve stuff and yet the amount of coins would be small compared to avg pvp player who may have 3 or 4 times more - and we know when its ab/ja/fq players swarm for the zcombat.
Moaning that the new weapons cost 200e+ is a bit sad and its not anets fault but ours - i dont see anet stating each coins worth xx but its the player base who decides the price.
How the hell does someone decide the price at start i dunno and how everyone else copies the price after again is beyond me.It may be nice for the sellers to have a high price ( tho a lot of pure pvp players have said in the past they dont pve nor need cash ) but at the other end its the buyers who can get the short end of the stick and have to pay high amounts.
lemming
Does anyone think that Anet would really have released a 100 gold coin item if they weren't going to make zcoins tradable?
I mean, sure, it's expensive, but is it any more impractical than FoW armor?
I mean, sure, it's expensive, but is it any more impractical than FoW armor?
To Chicken To Die
100 gold coins isn't that much. Think people are overreacting to it and have the hand it over free on a silver platter mentality. It's not only the skin but the effort that has to be put in it wich also counts for the need of something. Besides now z-coins are tradeable it is way to easy to get it. It took how many min before the first person had it?
And if you want it you don't only have the option to either buy or do dailys. And I suggest to start with dailys wich get coins and a bitt of gold and the when your at a point you think it's not worth it anymore you can buy the remaining amount of gold coins while having wich will propable have dropped in price by then. Or sell them if you lost interest in the weapons by then
And if you want it you don't only have the option to either buy or do dailys. And I suggest to start with dailys wich get coins and a bitt of gold and the when your at a point you think it's not worth it anymore you can buy the remaining amount of gold coins while having wich will propable have dropped in price by then. Or sell them if you lost interest in the weapons by then
Ximvotn
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Even those are optional. Those PvE skills aren't the end-all-be-all of the game and it's very possible to play with them low-leveled or not use them at all, and still faceroll PvE.
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Curo
They don't expect you to get 100 gold z-coins through quests. They added the Envoy weapons because z-coins can now be traded. Thus, they are prestige items to be bought, rather than earned. You've gotta give the hardcore players something to look forward to.
@ Spiritz: I agree with your points. Just to point out one thing, the base price of a z-coin can be determined roughly by what you can trade for them. In the case of gold z-coins, we look at elite tomes and z-keys, but specifically the Elite Ritualist Tome, which goes for 10-15k. Because the Elite Rit Tomes are now easier to acquire, their price has decreased, so what we see is a convergence of the prices of Elite Rit Tomes and gold z-coins. Then the price of the gold z-coin raises a little bit because of the flexibility it gives you in acquiring specific items (not only tomes and z-keys, but things that are only attainable by trade for z-coins, such as the equip packs and envoy weps). This gives us a rough value of what z-coins should be worth. And of course market fluctuations, supply/demand, etc are applied. The value is not just picked out of thin air.
I personally would like to see the value of a gold z-coin stabilize at around 10k, and have it become a standard form of currency, much like the ecto. It's uses are far more than that of the ecto, and it is more consistently accessible. Additionally, it is not only a certain group of people (fast and experienced speed farmers) that are able to attain it (without purchase). The only thing that the ecto has over the gold z-coin is a trader that stabilizes the value.
@ Spiritz: I agree with your points. Just to point out one thing, the base price of a z-coin can be determined roughly by what you can trade for them. In the case of gold z-coins, we look at elite tomes and z-keys, but specifically the Elite Ritualist Tome, which goes for 10-15k. Because the Elite Rit Tomes are now easier to acquire, their price has decreased, so what we see is a convergence of the prices of Elite Rit Tomes and gold z-coins. Then the price of the gold z-coin raises a little bit because of the flexibility it gives you in acquiring specific items (not only tomes and z-keys, but things that are only attainable by trade for z-coins, such as the equip packs and envoy weps). This gives us a rough value of what z-coins should be worth. And of course market fluctuations, supply/demand, etc are applied. The value is not just picked out of thin air.
I personally would like to see the value of a gold z-coin stabilize at around 10k, and have it become a standard form of currency, much like the ecto. It's uses are far more than that of the ecto, and it is more consistently accessible. Additionally, it is not only a certain group of people (fast and experienced speed farmers) that are able to attain it (without purchase). The only thing that the ecto has over the gold z-coin is a trader that stabilizes the value.
byteme!
If Anet reduces the amount of Z-Coins required to get an Envoy weapon that would be epically stupid. We have waaaaaaaaaaaay too many easy to get weapons/armors/items in game. After 6 years everything is over farmed or dirt cheap nowadays.
PS. If you want the Envoy weapons earn it or don't bother with it. 100 Z-coins too much? You've already talked yourself out of it so move on.
PPS. In case anyone feels I'm being elitist or whatever crap we use currently, I can afford Envoy weapons no problem BUT I intend to earn all 100 Z-coins on my own. I don't expect to get any anytime soon. I see it as something to work for in the "long run".
PS. If you want the Envoy weapons earn it or don't bother with it. 100 Z-coins too much? You've already talked yourself out of it so move on.
PPS. In case anyone feels I'm being elitist or whatever crap we use currently, I can afford Envoy weapons no problem BUT I intend to earn all 100 Z-coins on my own. I don't expect to get any anytime soon. I see it as something to work for in the "long run".
Aycee
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PPS. In case anyone feels I'm being elitist or whatever crap we use currently, I can afford Envoy weapons no problem BUT I intend to earn all 100 Z-coins on my own. I don't expect to get any anytime soon. I see it as something to work for in the "long run".
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This. Setting goals for yourself is a good thing, ingame and in real life.
Swingline
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I personally would like to see the value of a gold z-coin stabilize at around 10k, and have it become a standard form of currency, much like the ecto. It's uses are far more than that of the ecto, and it is more consistently accessible. Additionally, it is not only a certain group of people (fast and experienced speed farmers) that are able to attain it (without purchase). The only thing that the ecto has over the gold z-coin is a trader that stabilizes the value.
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