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Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

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01 Jul 2011 at 10:07 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lhim

This flux seems terrible for FA where luxons have to focus on killing npc's while kurzicks fire away at the luxon players with 30% damage-bonus in certain cases.

Flux needs to be taken away from factions pvp for this reason. I would actually like to see flux restricted to GvG and HA only.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

01 Jul 2011 at 12:06 - 42

I would love to see an Invokespike against an Invokespike in GvG.

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

01 Jul 2011 at 12:50 - 43

Monks might have to start using Spirit Bond or Prot Spirit liberally which means there will be a shift from stance monks to GoLE. Or maybe Soul Twisting Shelter spammers.

Either way, it might turn out to be a very defensive month.

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

01 Jul 2011 at 13:06 - 44

For the most part I think a lot of ppl are over-reacting to this (just like any other update). Dervs are stronger only against other derv players....it's not like there are derv npc's that are effected. So in turn if a team with 3 dervs faces a team with none...guess what?...they get 0 bonus from the flux on those 3. There are many ways to shut down devs as well....they are not the end all be all...you just assume the other team will be running such and prepare for it.

Yet I however believe that the npc's in various arenas should not be effected by flux.

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

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01 Jul 2011 at 13:14 - 45

So...does the flux allow warriors to deal extra damage to the Guild Lord? Cuz this could greatly affect GvG.

edit:
well I guess it does. Hmm...this could be easily abused.

Maver1ck87

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2010

NeMo

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01 Jul 2011 at 13:32 - 46

New definition of Epic Fail - people running derv healers in RA this month?

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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01 Jul 2011 at 14:13 - 47

On the plus side, this is the only way we are ever going to be able to test and figure out what profession Juggernauts/Turtles are in JQ.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

01 Jul 2011 at 14:27 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

On the plus side, this is the only way we are ever going to be able to test and figure out what profession Juggernauts/Turtles are in JQ.

As far as the summoning stones are concerned, Juggernauts are warriors and Turtles are rangers.Time will tell if this is true of the JQ/FA versions.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

01 Jul 2011 at 14:29 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

On the plus side, this is the only way we are ever going to be able to test and figure out what profession Juggernauts/Turtles are in JQ.

They have warrior style armor, not sure what else is relevant outside this flux.

Rob Roy The Divine

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Weegieville

No Goats No Glory [BAAA]

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01 Jul 2011 at 14:37 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essence Snow

For the most part I think a lot of ppl are over-reacting to this (just like any other update). Dervs are stronger only against other derv players....it's not like there are derv npc's that are effected. So in turn if a team with 3 dervs faces a team with none...guess what?...they get 0 bonus from the flux on those 3. There are many ways to shut down devs as well....they are not the end all be all...you just assume the other team will be running such and prepare for it.

Yet I however believe that the npc's in various arenas should not be effected by flux.

if you've gvg'd in the last 3 weeks, you would understand that 3 dervishes and fev. dreams has enough power to kill anything, proven by Boo running 4 monks and 3d+me. so even not running dervs isn't gonna change much.

Just that if you run a derv, you can run and EDA AND LINEBACK LIKE LEMMING

Aljasha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

01 Jul 2011 at 16:24 - 51

Imo the idea is not bad, but the implementation is and it won't have any effect on the meta except people dying faster. Nothing gained, nothing lost

chuckles79

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2009

FILA

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01 Jul 2011 at 16:36 - 52

Important question...Does this affect indirect damage?
Aka a monk casts retribution on someone and a monk attacks that person? If so, Scourge Healing just became standard on bars.

1. I like this because it will change things up, and remove the focus from purely targeting the monks to also observing enemies of the same profession. Smite monks in RA are going to be so adorable.

2. I hate this because blocking stances are about to become all the rage. Might as well lock up my ranger for the month.

chuckles79

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2009

FILA

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01 Jul 2011 at 16:37 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

so incoming meta of dervishes linebacking dervishes all game. gee gee

I LOL'd at the thought of a GVG with 8 Avatars of Balth. rushing all in at once.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

On the plus side, this is the only way we are ever going to be able to test and figure out what profession Juggernauts/Turtles are in JQ.

I believe Turtles are often considered rangers. Time to find out, hello 30 min wait times if that's so.

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

01 Jul 2011 at 18:23 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Monks might have to start using Spirit Bond or Prot Spirit liberally which means there will be a shift from stance monks to GoLE. Or maybe Soul Twisting Shelter spammers.

Either way, it might turn out to be a very defensive month.

i agree. at least it gives healers the opportunity to play different builds whilst other monks are playing offensively this month. at least give it 5 days or so to see how you like it. if you don't, there were a lot of other games released since GW came out way back in the day.

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

01 Jul 2011 at 19:56 - 55

Wait, are spells affected by this Flux, or just attacks?

Sk8tborderx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

PA

Us Are Not [leet]

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01 Jul 2011 at 19:58 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apok

Wait, are spells affected by this Flux, or just attacks?

Spells too, at least armor respecting spell damage, haven't tested armor ignoring spell damage yet.

Penny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Playing a bit but not too much.

<3

Mo/

01 Jul 2011 at 21:27 - 57

That flux is totally sucky.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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01 Jul 2011 at 21:47 - 58

Since Flux spilled into DA, it seems like Imperial Majesty is upgraded to a killing skill against similar profession players. Meh.

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

01 Jul 2011 at 22:07 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

Spells too, at least armor respecting spell damage, haven't tested armor ignoring spell damage yet.

It's all damage. Attribute 17 damage Backfire at only attribute 12! (21 at 16)

Matirion Maeronta

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

Noord-Scharwoude, NL

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01 Jul 2011 at 23:44 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Since Flux spilled into DA, it seems like Imperial Majesty is upgraded to a killing skill against similar profession players. Meh.

Look at it this way: it makes people play differently and gives a twist to something thats always exactly the same. I beleive flux did what it was supposed to do in an unexpected way (not to mention in the wrong way). Atleast they fixed the text now.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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01 Jul 2011 at 23:59 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matirion Maeronta

it makes people play differently

When everyone in DA has an I-can-kill-you-in-one-hit skill that recharges in five seconds, turning the second skill into another such skill that is already point-blank to activate does very, very little to change playstyle.

superraptors

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2008

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02 Jul 2011 at 00:31 - 62

10% would have been good, but 30% is abit random and over the top

roachsrealm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

The Gothic Embrace

N/Mo

02 Jul 2011 at 01:59 - 63

I don't think this is going to effect dervs as much as everyone thinks it will. After all, if there's only one Derv and none on your team, its just like it was before. Finally, something to keep the grind of faction farming interesting from month to month.

...and I know it's kind of off topic, but I don't see what the problem is with Dervs being overpowered. They aren't really. Flash enchantments still count as spells. If I see one I use Soul Leech and Strip Enchantments. They kill themselves quicker than any other class I've seen...

Rob Roy The Divine

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Weegieville

No Goats No Glory [BAAA]

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02 Jul 2011 at 02:24 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachsrealm

I don't think this is going to effect dervs as much as everyone thinks it will. After all, if there's only one Derv and none on your team, its just like it was before. Finally, something to keep the grind of faction farming interesting from month to month.

...and I know it's kind of off topic, but I don't see what the problem is with Dervs being overpowered. They aren't really. Flash enchantments still count as spells. If I see one I use Soul Leech and Strip Enchantments. They kill themselves quicker than any other class I've seen...

if you go onto obs and watch 60%of the games consist of 3 balt dervs and a fev. dreams mesmer, that literally kill things in 5 minutes...

they're over powered to the extent that they don't need to even attack anything and can produce 3 conditions (cripple + bleeding from aura of thorns when torn down with pious fury + burning from avatar of balt)... can do this every 10 seconds, have infinite energy pool from radiant scythe and +4 regen, have mega armor from mysticism + insignias, and can attack 3 things at once.

i can keep going, but there's no point...

try and tell me that's not broken?

Matirion Maeronta

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

Noord-Scharwoude, NL

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02 Jul 2011 at 12:19 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

When everyone in DA has an I-can-kill-you-in-one-hit skill that recharges in five seconds, turning the second skill into another such skill that is already point-blank to activate does very, very little to change playstyle.

Perhaps, personally I do play slightly different now. I don't get close to anyone with the same proffession unless I try to kill them that way (it works quite well, they don't expect it).

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

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02 Jul 2011 at 17:30 - 66

so...If a ranger is using a pet against another ranger, will skills such as Feral Lunge, or Brutal Strike deal extra damage from the flux? They are technically the Ranger's skills...

animal fighter

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2009

buying shields w/ armor vs animals

Animal Fightas Inc [?????????]

02 Jul 2011 at 23:12 - 67

Rt/A...spirit strength with daggers.
peace rit flaggers.

other than that. most boring flux ever. is this really the best they could come up with?

greep

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2010

Away from game

N/Me

03 Jul 2011 at 01:25 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

New definition of Epic Fail - people running derv healers in RA this month?

I think you misread the flux, that'd be like wearing a "hit me" sign while going armorless.

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

03 Jul 2011 at 02:02 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by greep

I think you misread the flux, that'd be like wearing a "hit me" sign while going armorless.

So that wouldn't be a good definition of epic fail as he said?

greep

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2010

Away from game

N/Me

03 Jul 2011 at 02:05 - 70

Ah sorry, that was epic fail of me :/

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

03 Jul 2011 at 03:13 - 71

Time to dust off my Mo/W reverse whammo and kick some ass in RA!

Acorn

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

Michigan, USA

Rt/A

03 Jul 2011 at 05:17 - 72

There Can Only Be One [Joke]

30% is far too high, bring on smiter midlines...

Ximvotn

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2011

03 Jul 2011 at 06:27 - 73

Ursan Blessing (PvP)

HigherMinion

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

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03 Jul 2011 at 13:52 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ximvotn

Ursan Blessing (PvP)

A PvE Flux would be pretty cool. GvG Sinway or EVAS Spam.

I would also like a Flux that doubled Arena teams; e.g. 8man RA, 16 (or maybe 12) HA and GvG.

Ximvotn

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2011

03 Jul 2011 at 15:53 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by HigherMinion

A PvE Flux would be pretty cool. GvG Sinway or EVAS Spam.

I would also like a Flux that doubled Arena teams; e.g. 8man RA, 16 (or maybe 12) HA and GvG.

That was somewhat of a joke referring to this month's flux. I don't think it's possible to spam more EVAS, I can get three going at once alone, probably 12 copies or more if everyone in the party brings it. 16 player HA and GvG would be interesting and terrifying at the same time.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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04 Jul 2011 at 06:20 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by HigherMinion

I would also like a Flux that doubled Arena teams; e.g. 8man RA, 16 (or maybe 12) HA and GvG.

Even considering they would implement it , it would lead to problems :
- Activity can be an issue.... it's already hard to find 8 players , so guess for 16...
- It would be a complete rework of the format
- It wouldn't be fun.... Builds such as 13(9) air ele invokers and 3 monks for example would probably rule....

However i agree on the point that flux should be more original ( maybe more regular than monthly too) and not just fit to GvG...

Darth_Krizan

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2009

Parasiteville

Acid Overlords [ACID]

W/E

06 Jul 2011 at 12:21 - 77

I have an idea. Make this game even more hack'n'slash.... -.-'
I guess "making" gw2 for another 2 years is more important then balancing current meta.

Wyndy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

in the know

Chronic Chaos

N/Me

06 Jul 2011 at 15:16 - 78

Smite Luxons against healing Kurzicks in FA is interesting.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

06 Jul 2011 at 15:35 - 79

Does this affect armor ignoring spells?

Premium Unleaded

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

06 Jul 2011 at 15:43 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painbringer

Does this affect armor ignoring spells?

yes

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