Melee Professions

Now with a minimum of 4 adjacent mobs required to match assassin dps WITH SoH (and 6 without), you're telling me that warrior dps and assassin dps is pretty close? so much for getting your facts straight. So, how about doing the maths and showing the results of the same calculations for less than 4 adjacent mobs?

You're proving nothing unless you provide this data.

Show what "leagues ahead" means to you.

Btw, hitting more than 3 enemies is pretty common pretty much everywhere, it doesn't take that much to nullify the gap making these "leagues ahead".

If anything, you're proving that 1 on 1 the Sin is quicker. Big deal.

So, how about doing the maths and showing the results of the same calculations for less than 4 adjacent mobs?

You're proving nothing unless you provide this data.

Show what "leagues ahead" means to you. actually I'm proving everything since you can easily do the math yourself for ANY number of mobs. why I would copy + paste the same equation over and over again is beyond me (if that isn't too difficult for you, since reading apparently is).

actually I'm proving everything You're proving that in real life conditions (hitting a group of four, and not just one training dummy at the Isle of the Nameless) Warrior and Sin have comparable AoE damage rates.

LEAGUES AHEAD, my eye.

lol

Translation: I don't actually understand the equation and math, along with reading, is too difficult for me to handle. Translation: I don't have a point, everyone here is contraddicting me, I can't bring any argument, so I'll resort to insults.

I'll go find a reading course and improve.

I'm pretty sure you'll still have no argument when I'm back, and keep on twisting maths to your likings.

Under 4, the Sin is better - still not "leagues ahead"
Over 4, 100b is more advantageous.

In my experience, I tend to be in the second scenario more often than not. So, Sins are quicker and have higher DPS in single target contexts. When the size of the mob increases, other options for AoE can be more effective.

Also, 100b operates on swings, not on hits. Fail to hit with DB and the whole combo is gone, together with all of your AoE damage.

So? lol the average adjacent mobs a melee character is going to hit each time he swings is 2 (and don't be a liar and tell me that you somehow have 4+ adjacent mobs throughout the whole fight in every battle even after your ball dies). If 100blades is as efficient as all you warriors claim, then most of the battle is spend cleaning up the casters / ranged mobs rather than hitting awesome pawsome damages against a ball. Tell me how close the dps is when you only have 2 adjacent mobs to hit.

If you wanna talk about how reliable each class is, 100b aoe potential completely disappears the moment you are blinded or have a blinding hex (or anything else that hinders Whirlwind attack), while assassins only need to hit 1 target to reach their max damage potential and already take asuran scan as a standard.

Let's not forget that a warrior at max damage potential has a 25% speed penalty, so god forbid your 9 damage aoe against 3-4 mobs doesn't instantly kill them and 1 mob decides to run away (and yes that's what happens when you use aoe, so don't try to tell me that 100blades helps you hold aggro unless you're playing normal mode). Then at the end of the fight when most monsters are dead, warrior dps takes a drastic dip when you have no adjacent targets to bounce 100b off of and you probably have to chase after them with 75% movement speed.

Actually mobs have no reason to run away since the assassin does no aoe prior to casting DB and even if they run away, DB will still hit all those adjacent at the time of casting. 100b doesn't cause any scattering. MoP does. MoP will trigger on each hit of your Dagger chain, potentially causing scattering.

MoP is a must when going AoE with melee characters. MoP activates a bazillion times with 100b, much less so with any Dagger chain, and that alone makes 100b worth playing against any group, even smaller ones. Out of context, DB as a skill might do more damage on less than 6, 4 or whatever ammount of enemies, but you can't take MoP out of the equation. Keyword: team-based game. Synergies > Build Wars

Whatever... If you don't like Warriors, that's fine. No one is forcing you to play a Warrior, and judging by your comments, you likely never did.

Just quit being a fanboy, play whatever you like, ponder your words better (you still couldn't prove how Sins are "leagues ahead" then the competition... Thy have higher DPS in a lot of circumstances, but that's it)

Personally, I find Warriors, Sins and Ders so pleasantly different at being melee character, and so insanely strong in this melee-centered game, I wouldn't even bother comparing them. Each has its way, its playstyle and strong points. Neither is universally stronger than the others, and I'm so glad we've been given such a broad choice.

Sorry if typing while you do makes me a fanboy, or mental inept for that matter. You edited your post while I posted, but whatever, your pitiful insults can't touch me: it's usually people with no arguments who rely on insults.

Let's go.

- You don't need WWA at all to do AoE under 100b, and you can activate it anyway as long as your target doesn't block it. So while Asuran Scan is a NECESSITY for a Sin not to have the combo screwed, it is not at all for 100b to work. That goes under Usability.
- Moebius is fairly common as an option to spam DB, that's why I mentioned it. Still, whatever skill you chain DB with, you need to 1) Hit 2) Chain Skills 3) Start the chain anew on the next target. If any of those goes wrong, your damage potential is hit. That goes under Usability.
- You still forget MoP, the fact that that alone makes 100b more dangerous than the whole bar you need for DB as it triggers on each attack AND the bonus damage dealt by 100b from the very first hit. Synergies are valuable in my book, drooling on yellow numbers is stupid IMHO. That goes under Usability.
- In the equation Critical Agility or whatever IAS is given as mantained and unremoved. So, let's do without IAS for a moment: you'll need 3 (successful) attacks to merely equate 100b + WWA on mobs bigger than 4, and need Asuran Scan to avoid potential blocks which would hinder a 100b build much less than any Dagger chain.

Oh, anyway... Just to use your own word: "Popular opinion" got you contraddicted in this thread, all the contributors of the thread disagreeing with you. Clearly I can't touch you since you decided to post this pathetic response.

-You need WWA + 100blades if you want to do comparable dps to a sin vs 4 targets. (Do tell me how much dps you do vs 4 targets without WWA if that isn't too difficult for you) Why is that so hard to understand? Asuran scan is an option for sin to have 100% reliable damage while 100blades warriors have no such option. Again, why is that so hard to understand? (LOL I just read my post again and saw that I already wrote this. Was that just your lack of reading ability or are you actually retarded?)
-Fairly common if you like to cripple yourself. Do you not know how asuran scan works? Remind me how 100% hit chance can fail?
-We've already determined that you have no problem with killing a ball. What happens to your dps after your ball is dead again?
-....are you serious?..... could you at least read over your own posts before writing stuff like this? (For some reason I know you're not gonna understand this so I'll spell it out for you in herp derp language. 100BLADES AOE. WWA AOE. AOE + AOE = BIG NUMBER. MISS AOE = SMALL NUMBER. DERPDERPDERP)

Ya all the contributers of the thread are butthurt warrior fanboys like you. Keep posting dude, your work is ground breaking.

Ya all the contributers of the thread are butthurt warrior fanboys like you. Keep posting dude, your work is ground breaking. Ok, the Sin is leagues ahead everything. It's clearly the best at everything. Everything else is pathetic and useless. Anyone thinking otherwise is a poor idiot or mental inept.

Happy now?

Enough for me with this thread, OP likely chose his professions weeks ago and I really don't care about your one-sided, biased opinion. I find it IRONIC that, while I appreciate Sins and their playstyle and just invited you to moderate words (again, if you think Sins are "leagues ahead" Warriors in every context you either can't calibrate your speech or can't play a Warrior at all), you just ignorantly bashed anything you don't play and clearly don't know enough to judge. You obviously don't have what it takes to have a decent conversation. Talk about butthurt fanboys...

Enjoy your Sin while I enjoy all of my characters, Sin and Warrior included.

Enough for me with this thread, OP likely chose his professions weeks ago and I really don't care about your one-sided, biased opinion. I find it IRONIC that, while I appreciate Sins and their playstyle and just invited you to moderate words (again, if you think Sins are "leagues ahead" Warriors in every context you either can't calibrate your speech or can't play a Warrior at all), you just ignorantly bashed anything you don't play and clearly don't know enough to judge. You obviously don't have what it takes to have a decent conversation. Talk about butthurt fanboys...

Enjoy your Sin while I enjoy all of my characters, Sin and Warrior included. Your compelling argument is clear and concise in addressing the points that were raised, which makes me reconsider my rude and ignorant words.

If everyone was so good at addressing points rather than changing the subject, shifting blame, and sometimes (god forbid) ignoring evidence altogether, then arguments wouldn't exist on this forum.

facts straight? plenty of math in this thread. clearly you've read it

takes at least 4 (with rank14 SoH) mobs for a war to do the same dps as a sin (assuming sin doesn't crit and doesn't double hit from dagger mastery). at least 6 mobs without SoH. any less and the sin is leagues ahead of the war. yep... sounds pretty close to me You are wrong. If you look at the equation, both classes procs SoH 7 times thus making the Warrior equal/superior even without SoH at four targets. Also I factored in dual-striking and compensated for the fact that I didn't include Crits. Assassins get 0.75s longer to do their combo and I look only in total damage not DPS, Assassins get a 50% dual-strike ratio instead of 28%, I didn't calculate the fact that skills use the max base damage which would have benefited the Warrior and I didn't factor in Strengths inherent benefit.

If you are going to use my math to disprove someone, at least use it right.

so tell me how long it takes to proc 7 SoH's for a warrior without adjacent targets, and how much damage that's doing, then tell me that the warrior is equal / superior without 4 targets You said it took 6 mobs before a 100b Warrior is equal without SoH, which was pure bullshit. I never said a 100b Warr is superior at sub-4 targets, especially not single-target. It isn't the builds design so the point is kinda moot. I just wanted to point out you were lying and tried to use my math to fool people into believing you.

Also it is hilarious that you go from "100b is inferior, period" to "100b is inferior at 4-5 targets" to "100b is inferior versus a single target".