Trying for another 2 points in HoM. Please assist

So this is me.

http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/#page=m... ABCEAAAAAAAA

And I am at 12 and I would like to get to 14, but I have no idea how to get some decent progression here, so I thought I should ask.

How hard is it to get a scroll to get to the Underworld and using heroes only get a spider?

Can I get any other titles without spending a ridiculous amount of Platinum?

I have failed utterly at the last steps of Nightfall and gotten stuck halfway through Facttions, and I doubt I will be pressing through there given the time I can dedicate at any one instance to the game at the moment.

What is the best way to go about obtaining a unique undedicated minipet?



Any help or insight would be deeply appreciated.

well, id say if you cant finish nf or factions you wont be able to cap the black widow. you must be using a sub par build to get stuck in factions, have you checked the build threads here, and also gwpvx.com? factions, and nf should take 2 days from start to finish max, and the spider will take <30 mins if you do clearing the chamber and then the vale quest

Well...how much do you think is a ridiculous amount? If ~60k seems like it's worth two points to you, you can buy any one destroyer weapon which will instantly net you those two points. I also don't think working on your honor monument (titles) will do you too much good (well maybe) as you'd need another 3 things to do to get 3 points. If you insist though, as you say you are stuck in the late stages of nf, I'm guessing you mean realm of torment? If so, try lightbringer/sunspear points farming from remains of salahja (go look at wiki) to get two accomplishments in Honor monument, then just complete factions/nf and you get 15 instead of 14. (you can't get just points from honor, the next milestone grants 3 points.)

Have you done War in Kryta yet?

If not, run through it. It's easily soloable with H/H and it nets you enough Medals of Honor to get an Oppressor's Weapon. That alone would give you 2 points just for the one weapon. And you'd net a bunch of cash from it as well.

As for your other questions, it's all a matter of work, not money. How much work are you willing to put into it, not how much are you willing to spend.

Titles, campaign titles and defender titles are easy. Just do each campaign and get masters. Rep titles, require a bit of grinding.

Underworld can be done with H/H to get your Spider, yes. Just take your time and be patient with it.

Easiest unique pet? Black Moa. You don't have to sit in town trying to buy one, just do the work for it. Requires all campaigns and a few collector items and a bit of cash, and then you'll have a pet to call your own that you worked for.

As I said, it's a matter of how much work and time are you willing to put into it, more than how much you want to spend.

1. Join a guild that helps players complete the campaigns. You will be able to add several titles to your HOM once you finish factions and NF. (You are welcoming to PM me in game and I'll try to help you do missions IGN: Lady Ariela Iceblue)

2. Go cap elite skills. Once you have finished capping them all you will get another title.

3. In Factions, try to get to Fort Aspenwood. Start PvPing to get Kurzic or Luxon faction. trade in for amber or jade. Get armour.

4. I got my underworld in UW by asking nicely to join a sc team in ToA. Someone was nice enough to run me for free. I brought along BU and honeycombs to help the team out.

5. Buy white cheap 1st, 2nd and 3rd year minis. Get up to 20 minis.

You need only R4 for Allegiance titles and R3 for Champ/Gladiator. Glad is pretty easy if you play it once in a while, and it gives whopping 3 points. Luxon/Kurzick Armor, then try to get one more for another point for 3 armors in HoM. And of course like someone said, do War in Kryta - easy 2 points.

How are you fixed for getting 4 more heroes or maybe some elite armours.

Necro from Prophesies
Assassin from Factions
Check out the NF Eye ones you do not have and see if any are reachable.

Black Moa from Factions how far off are you from its location or did you stall before getting to that part of the game.

Elite armours just get some basic ones that are low in material cost there are some prophesies ones that don't break the bank, is that an option.

Finishing the game and all bonuses seem quite an easy task, but you are not very far in all campaigns.
Best advice is already given, join a guild with some experienced players. You can learn so much if you are new from those guys and girls that you don't really need anything else right now.

PM me in game IGN Venganza Espirito

I will get Black Widow for you (free), all you need to do is get us passage into UW

I will be happy to offer any other advice I can as well.

This is the biggest problem here. If you can post where exactly you are having problems, I'm sure people can give some very good suggestions on how to get past them.

As Vanway said, if you can't get past these two places, you're going to fail miserably in the UW by yourself.

I have tried, but it is all a bit over my head I'm afraid. I am not very good at this game, and came in very very late, meaning that whatever progression people made in understanding and builds is just beyond me, and I am poor at playing catchup. That coupled with my guildlessness (see below) and I am landed here.

Considering how long it took me to make up money to get the grantie fortress armour (which was 45k I think) I think 60k is overreaching it for me, sadly.


I as under the impression I had to finish the EotN-campaign to be able to get to War of Kryta. I have not, I got stuck 85% in or something like that. Again, I am a noob at this game. There are loads of things I am missing, surely.

Guilds have not worked out since I am on so little, and contribute very little, being so far behind everyone else in progression, unable to run hardmodes of most of the contents and whatnot, that I just get ignored or labled a leeh, even though I try. It is a bit of a sad state, but the game is getting on in years, and hardly beginner-friendly at this point (just reading the buildthreads takes crossreferencing – it is made for those who already know all of , nothing for those of us stuck at the basics, sadly).

Capping eliteskills is like 90k per chapter. I simply don't have that kind of coin.

I don't PvP. Well, I could, but I would lose. Is there a reward for that?


So how much would I have to PvP to get that title? Would I have ot win consistently or will staying at it, getting killed over and over, eventually do it?


I did not get to the wald to get the rare pet sadly.

Which is part of the problem, and too few have the interest, time or motivation to help out someone that cannot contribute. I understand this completely, but it makes it incredibly hard to actually learn anything, or progress, on anything that isn't soloable.

Now I am a ranger, and I am guessing getting “non-elite” skills (apart from faction-rep ones) are easier than getting elite ones (you just have to find the right trainer.
I have the following ranger elite skills. Given those – can anyone suggest (or link) a build that might be better or more practical for me than whatever sup-optimal one I have now? It would be deeply appreciated.

Marksman's Wager
Oathshot
Barrage
Burning Arrow
Crippling shot
Grenth's Balance


Edit: And thanks to Venganza and a speedy UW-run I now have a black little bitey spider!

Think nothing of it

Dawnspear is now in our little guild, and will receive plenty of help which will hopefully not only make the game easier, but more enjoyable.

I am glad to help out people, especially those wise enough to reach out on this forum.

I would just like to say it is great to see so many of you responding to such cries for help with patience and understanding too, nice to see a little camaraderie still exists long into the life of GW

easy quick things to do:

• buy cheap year 1 minipets ( do black moa chick scavenger quest)
• do challenge missions for heroes armor's and glory ( or finish factions and capture black moa and imperial phoenix)
• do Sorrow's Furnance/ all missions as master's in factions/Nightfall
• buy some prestige amors (eg elite luxon/kurzic)
• complete war in kryta and hearts of the north, you can easly score 2 oppressor weapons ( just one is worth 2 points)

i think there is a thread on how to get 30 points check that out

If you really want only 2 points, do War in Kryta and get the weapon reward, any of them. That's 2 easy points. You can finish WiK in two afternoons or less.

Make sure you have max armor for your class and all your attribute points (when you zero them out (talking about marksmanship, beast mastery, wilderness survival, etc) you should have 200pts to spend...if not, check here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Attri...e_point_quests

Generally don't use superior/major runes (except for vigor) until you understand better how health affects your gameplay.

Use a longbow (or flatbow, I prefer long though) for pulling.

Learn to pull. Before you engage, watch the group you want to kill and any others nearby. Once you're comfortable that you can pull your group without agroing any others, flag your heroes to where you want to fight (at least half the distance of your agro circle between your agro circle and the path of any group you don't want to engage, more if the group you want will pull that far) and then use the longbow to pull them.

Armor, health and agro control, especially agro control, really make this game a lot easier. Then, when you run into a problem you can usually figure out what is killing you (hit F10 for help, scroll down and it will show a list of recently encountered skills with links to the official wiki, really helps in figuring out what's killing you and then you can figure out how to stop it.)

Once you get those basics down you can start thinking about how to counter melee damage (through debuffs, or blocking) aoe dmg (skills that interrupt or absorb the bulk of the damage) and figure out how to do more and more damage with your own skills and those of your heroes.
Read the wiki if a particular mission is giving you a hard time. Vengenza will probably show you most of this (or something like it) in game if he hasn't already.

Barrage is good enough and easy enough to understand for a beginner, but it means you can't use preparations. To make up for that, unlock (if you haven't already) Ritualist for your secondary and pick up Splinter Weapon. The rest of your bar can be two interrupts (usually savage shot and distracting shot) condition removal, increased attack speed skill (lightning reflexes) and a couple other damage skills and a hard rez (flesh of my flesh in restoration, works fine with zero points). I generally don't use pets on my ranger, so I can't offer much help there.

FYI, try out AB, you're 1 of 12 in three 4 man teams and it's pretty chaotic, so you can make mistakes without hurting the team too much or being noticed as much. You get balthazar and either luxon or kurzick faction and Imperial faction (which can be converted to the other 3 types) which can be traded in for things you can sell for money or for PVE only skills or to unlock skills for your heroes to use. You can fund a lot of stuff playing this or the other PVP types once you get your feet under you.

Good luck and have fun.

Edit: one more thing:
This would normally be good advice, but if you're having trouble finishing NF/Factions and EotN right now, War in Kryta will make you pull out your hair. It gives some experienced players a hard time. I don't think you'll enjoy doing this stuff at this point in your level of game mastery.

i can get you a HoM weapon free and theres your 14, but u will help me farm.

IGN: Lithril Ashwalker

note: i will ignore anyone else attempting to take this offer up. this isnt a soup kitchen...

inbox me ur IGN Dawn and we will get to work

I will get in touch with you as soon as I can. Thank you very much for the gracious offer.

I would like to contribute as well. Nothing that would give you HoM points but they should make the journey easier.

PM your ign.

Much appreciated. I will do so right away.

- Get all heroes and invest some money to get their hero armor
- Get black moa, black widow, and phoenix minipet (that should be really easy!)

If you want more:

-Start off with making a GWAMM character on your main char.
Start with all HM and NM missions, and then start vanquish(alongside with carto).

Yes. 1. You can unlock skills for faction points. Then use tomes which are cheap and get those skills.

2. Use faction points to get zaishen keys. Sell them.

3. Get Luxon/Kurzick points, get jade/amber for armour.

4. On youtube there are several posters with great guides. In particular look at http://www.youtube.com/user/LiquidSolenoid. He does walkthroughs and shows you how to complete mission in HM.

That's right. I can buy the tokens I can't get on my own. How did I forget that?

And yet, it is far from easy. I have failed to do so thus far. That's why I am asking for help.

I have no idea what any of that means. Yes, that's the kind of help I need. I don't know this stuff. If I did I don't think I would need to ask about it.


1. How to easily obtain those points? I have yet to encounter the choice between Lux/Kur in my Faction-progression.
2. Just to obtain money? There is no other use for the keys? If so - why would people buy them?
3. Again - have not gotten that far in Factions yet.
4. Thank you.

Guild Wars has the most intuitive wiki I have ever come across. Even those shorthand terms lead to explanations.

Bookmark both the Official Wiki and Unofficial Wiki. And get ready for some reading. Getting help from guilds and other players (and forums) is about 10% of learning this game. Playing the game is another 20%. The other 70% of learning GW is reading the wiki(s).

1. PvE: quests, vanquishing, and turning in Factions/Young Heroes storybooks can get you Kurzick or Luxon faction, but you may struggle with that at this point.
PvP: Someone earlier mentioned AB (Alliance Battles), but if you suck you may have a hard time keeping a group. Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood would probably be easier places to hide among the chaos. You can create a PvP-only character and access JQ/FA by talking to the Luxon or Kurzick NPCs in Great temple of Balthazar.
And if going for armor materials, I suggest Kurzick for Amber. Even if you want Luxon armor, amber is worth more than jade at the trader, so you can often make a profit by selling your earned amber and buying jade.

2. Zaishen Keys open the Zaishen Chest, which contributes points to your Zaishen Supporter track. It qualifies as a PvP statue in your HoM, which awards unique points. Since your HoM goals are so low, I also suggest skipping this and selling the keys for cash.

First let me say - Wikis are not my friends. I enjoy learning by playing, but I have gathered GW is not that kind of game. Which is sort of sad, at least to me.

Now, onto the keys. Is is viable to get the PvP-title by getting these keys? How many would I need to actually reach the rank where I can make it a monument in the halls? Are we talking a hundred? A thousand?

for more information about the keys try this link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zaishen_rank

you will need to get 200 keys to get a high enough rank to get the pvp title/hom statue.
keys are also good for getting gold weapons from the chest (you will also get things like tomes, alcohol, sweets, lockpicks, tonics....)

you can play gw relatively easily without the wikis--however, since you have the goal of getting the hom points; the wiki will give information about the titles that you will need for said.
Many of us have been playing for years (and the wikis werent so good back in the day--the official wasnt even around!).....and have learned from playing as well as asking questions here, and using the wikis.

as others have suggested, you should find a nice guild that is willing to help you finish the campaigns and such--this will help you a lot towards your goals.

200 keys. Hmm.... 5k each. That's 1000k. I wonder if I can make that and get the rank that way - considering how badly I suck at PvP.

I can also try to get killed in PvP a bit and then just hand the keys over from the PvP-char to the PvE-char.
I also have some globs of e. I am sure I can trade those to someone willing to give me keys.

1. Actually GW was that kind of game. You have to remember this game is already 6+ years, and 2 campaigns and one expansion later.... your goal doesn't seem to be to enjoy learning the game strategies or the intelligence behind the builds. Your goal seems to be to fill the HOM for GW2. In that case, yeah wiki is your friend, because not a lot of people look at these forums any more, and some of your questions could be looked up quickly on the wiki.

2. I don't know how long you've been playing, but I've been playing for a little over a year. I also only have 15/50 points. My goal though is to play the game, to learn it, to understand it. Even though I intend to buy GW2, I'm not dying to leave this game. I really enjoy and love it, and I will continue to play it even after GW2 comes out. Which is why I'm not in a hurry to finish my HOM. I spend a lot of time (about 2 hours a day, these days) searching on this forum for ideas on how to better play my main character (a warrior), how to use efficiently and effectively my heroes, how to make builds, etc.. That's the fun part. That's how you learn things...

You're asking for help, and instead of saying what the wiki says we redirect you to the correct wikipage, I don't think that's unreasonable. But if you want to learn the game by playing then that's also possible.

Zkeys are the most timeefficient pvp rank to get. However it's far from the cheapest hompoints. ~1000k for 3 points isn't really worth it unless you have done all the other like obtaining the black moa and most of the hero armor. The point is that with 1000k you could fill out the whole monument of valor which is 8 points, and that isn't the most economical way of spending gold for hompoints.

Since you seem to have problems with completing the storyline I think you need to invest some time into looking over you heroes and their builds.
I am not suggesting that you should run a build specifically as pvx says, but do steal ideas from existing good working builds.
Make sure to use necromancers (their minions are awesome along with death nova), mesmers (panic and ineptitude are awesome elite crowdcontroll skills), and ritualists (their spirits add so much damage)

~removed links because they were to an old site and I didn't pay attention... go here instead: http://www.gwpvx.com/PvX_wiki

I just realised that I may have failed to mention the point with all these hero builds... The point is that when you have 7 good hero builds then you have a team which actually can do some work. You are just 1/8 of your team (not really true since you're the player, but you get the point).
In order to get good builds you have to unlock their skills. The easiest way to do that is by doing zaishen elite and use the faction to unlock skills from a priest of balthazar.

Alternatively, you can visit Hero Skill Trainers that will teach both you and your heroes' a skill (from a limited list) for only 1 Hero Skill Point.

I'd like to point out that under no circumstance should you ever use a GW wiki that has 'wikia' in the URL.

Official Wiki
Non-Official Wiki
PvX (for builds)

The non-official wiki used to be hosted at wikia but they never provided the benefits they promised and forced certain layout changes (which is yet another broken promise). The community + content moved over to the new site (linked above). Wikia is now a home for trolls and such. It's unreliable and should not be used.

I say beat factions and charm the imperial phoenix (1 point for phoenix and 1 more statue in "Honor"), then get rank 4 in luxon and kurzick (doing both adds 2 more statues to honor, which combined with what you have + statue for beating factions gives full display, worth 3 more points)

As a returning player all this information has been helpful to me too. I find I'm getting very confused and feeling very noobish!

I thought this topic would be a good place to ask: Any advice on getting hero armor for my EoTN heros, I end up dying alot. My Rit is the only one to make it that far.

Thanks!
-Lady Lunabelle

Try looking through the Glint's afk thread here. You'll find lots of builds and tips in there, and the heroes do everything for you. Make them upgrade their own armor for once! Alternately, search the forum for Glint's challenge; there are many threads with builds and tactics.

I am sorry if I am coming across in a weird way.
I am enjoying this game, but i am a casual player, and don't have the time to delve into the intricacies of metabuilds, the deep involvement in the wiki and so on.
My goal is to have a bit of fun, but without direction I am lost. The HoM provides that direction, as it gives me something to strive for, a way to motivate myself into challenges to see more of this great game.
All of your help so far has been wonderful, and I am deeply thankful, and it is providing me with a lot of the stuff I really needed.

Argh, my computer still remembers those links because I've used them alot more than the gwpvx... I guess I should go and clean up my cookies... It also explains why I didn't find this: http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Player_Support
Personally I don't use that, but something quite similar that I've come up with myself by testing and tweaking.

@Starlet, Glint's challenge would be the easiest. Just do it on nm and it should be no problem with decent heroes. I did it with my ele with discord necros, a RoJ monk ss rit a mesmer and something more.

For what you are trying to do though, the wiki will be the fastest way. it is the best wiki in any MMO style game. hands down. end of story.

I completed nightfall and talked to the heroes I had not obtained, but they didn't appear in my herocollection. Bugger. Now i have to kill Abaddon again....

No you don't... look in your quest log. You should have the quests to pick up those heroes in there. Also note, that some EotN heros you can only get if you fight them in the The Norn Fighting Tournament.

Ah, thank you. How short-sighted of me.

While MisterB and Kendil are correct with the information about Glint's Challenge, there's something they've neglected to mention: it's not going to help you a single bit. Hero armor upgrades are purely aesthetic. They don't actually make it any more powerful than it was, just better looking. Thus, it won't help you or them survive any better. If you want to give your heroes better stuff you'll need to get runes or insignia for their armor or better weapons (or most importantly, better skills).