Have You Checked Your Favor Today?

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

If you haven't done so yet, go check out how much favor is left. For those of you who are unsure, visit your friendly, helpful zones known as Temple of the Ages, Zin Ku Corridor & Chantry of Secrets.

Better yet, type /favor in game.

... or if you got this far in reading, as of 4:42pm PST (GW time), there is 2664 minutes of favor left. In case you hate math, that's approximately 1.85 days.

Back in April, I remember the favor being well over 30k minutes, but it just caught my attention that our overwhelming number of favor minutes is about to reach zero again!

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Weekend event is Halloween. Do you know how many alcohol /party titles that will have? Or Legendary Survivors from Every bit Helps?

Don't panic. There's no cause for alarm: you still have scrolls.

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

Wow i never thought of how Every bit helps could be an easy survivor on all my toons

Odinius

Odinius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

[OBEY]

N/R

Well if the timer ever reaches zero and is not going up again, they could (will) remove the favor system entirely I think, so no worries.

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

I think it would be interesting to see the favor reach zero again. I remember the days when entry into the elite areas without a scroll was somewhat limited.

Star_Jewel

Star_Jewel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2010

Denizen of Tyria since Feb. 2009

I remember when Drunkard was changed and the minutes of favor skyrocketed, the prospect of running out of favor kind of worried me. I know there are scrolls, but I like getting shrine blessings. I hope that system will be changed when GW2 comes out, since the chances of having favor will probably be pretty slim then.

Daisuko

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

California

[Vr]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanier View Post
I think it would be interesting to see the favor reach zero again. I remember the days when entry into the elite areas without a scroll was somewhat limited.
Really? 'cause I remember when scrolls didn't exist. :P

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Isn't it pretty pointless to have a favor system where we either have to pay 1k to enter those areas rarely, or long months without end?

Da Kenster

Da Kenster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

A shoebox

The Boat Crew

W/E

I remember when your country had to win enough consecutive battles in the Hall of Heroes to even have favor. Sitting around in ToA, hoping for that last win to get into FoW or UW. Good times.....

Coooturtle

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2011

A/R

Those were great times, and when you had favor, you would all race to get your runs in.

Plutoman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2010

E/

It'd certainly help reduce farming in those areas.

PurpleFission

PurpleFission

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2010

Unda da Sea

Club of a Thousand Pandas[LOD???]

E/Mo

Because we don't use scroll's anyway's...

Fluffy Kittens

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2009

Favor is one thing I completely forgot about ever since HoH victories became meaningless but hey, thanks for reminding me

O Nuxtofulakas

O Nuxtofulakas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Did u check your closet?

N/

Let's hope that "balance" will be restored now - even if it's already too late to talk about "balance issues" in a 6+ yo game...
Favor should never be "permanent" and from my pov it was a great mistake to let it happen.
Many farming/ skill nerfing related issues would be solved looooong time ago if favor system was the same as it was designed to be...

But ok, i never say "no" to the opportunity to make extra cash from the scrolls stacks i have in storage

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

The old favor system where a nation needed to win 5 consecutive teams in order to (then) open up the only end game areas was very flawed. It resulted in people being locked out of content for weeks at a time, or limited to only a very few minutes late at night.

Now there are many more end game areas to choose from so it's less of an issue that it was.

if people wanted to increase the 'specialness' of going to those areas then either revamp them to make it a lot harder to complete(such as remove the ability to use cons sets) or give better drops to teams that go down and dont use PvE skills or consumables.

UW/FoW were balanced for teams using Prophecies skills and no additional buffs. With them now being made so easy due to power creep it's no wonder people feel these areas are not so special anymore..

But as mentioned above, the game is 6 years old, with a sequel around the corner. No one cares about such things anymore as being able to play without crutches.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

Heh... I'd love to see this one happen. Speed clearers suddenly having nothing to do, UW scroll prices skyrocketing (they're 2000 already ...

Mireles

Mireles

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

W/Me

I remember when favor was granted by whatever zone had the most wins in HoH... before you were allowed to jump between America/Europe/Asia districts... sometimes it would be whole days before a certain zone had enough wins and people would be massed at ToA just waiting... because scrolls did not exist... then came a time when HA died and favor did not change very often.... Had interesting results on the price of ecto. If favor vanished it would be interesting to see the results on scroll prices.

ruk1a

ruk1a

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

UR MOM LOL

ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coooturtle View Post
Those were great times, and when you had favor, you would all race to get your runs in.
Yep... back when your account actually had a set region to it so if you were euro you needed euro favor

I remember everyone would cloud the area of the statue and start doing runs once we got it.

Haha I recall I set my account to europe even though I was american because they have favor more often.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

Favor is a pointless game mechanic. It was dreadful back in the PvP determining it days and pointless in the current era. Just bin it completely, it was an idea 6-7 years ago that just didn't work, time to get rid of it. Especially considering how (relatively) dead the game is now.

Premium Unleaded

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Favour was originally intended to pursuade people to participate in organised pvp, but ANet clearly got it wrong.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded View Post
Favour was originally intended to pursuade people to participate in organised pvp, but ANet clearly got it wrong.
Strange how they still went for bonuses from WvWvW in GW2. I think they consider the core idea valid, but applied bonuses to the casual PvP instead of dedicated PvP.

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

It will be a laugh if it runs out in time for halloween when everyone wants to do Dhuum quests.

bennyandthejets

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2011

Quote:
Strange how they still went for bonuses from WvWvW in GW2. I think they consider the core idea valid, but applied bonuses to the casual PvP instead of dedicated PvP.
Yeah it will be pretty interesting to see what they have in mind as far as bonuses for winning WvWvW.

Reverend Dr

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iuris View Post
Strange how they still went for bonuses from WvWvW in GW2. I think they consider the core idea valid, but applied bonuses to the casual PvP instead of dedicated PvP.
It worked well in DAoC. Actually it worked alright in the old days of GW.

Of course I'm not sure what reason for existing the favor mechanic has had for the past 3 years (that was when it was changed right?) or so. Favor clearly was intended to limit access to UW/FoW such that it couldn't be farmed non-stop (oops!), it simply could not be anything else. If favor time goes away this will only affect the least organized. The top speed clears have more scrolls than they know what to do with, lack of favor isn't going to affect them. Everyone else that hasn't been farming it to exhaustion is now going to have to acquire scrolls, which are sure to increase in price, or wait until they can re-enter.

Curo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

GMT-5

Liars, Cheats and Thieves [Liar]

Mo/

Wow I noticed it going down slowly, but it's this low already!? Time to stock up on those scrolls!

I guess most people have all their titles for HoM already, and we're not getting many new players.

A Perfect Slayer

A Perfect Slayer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

Legions of Babylon

W/

I wonder if Ecto prices will go up much now that access to UW will be somewhat limited

Reverend Dr

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

Since ecto price is based almost exclusively on speculation, of course.

Grj

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Can they not just add minutes like before?

Sjeng

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fay Vert View Post
Favor is a pointless game mechanic. It was dreadful back in the PvP determining it days and pointless in the current era. Just bin it completely, it was an idea 6-7 years ago that just didn't work, time to get rid of it. Especially considering how (relatively) dead the game is now.
Agree.
Seeing as buying blessings and/or scrolls for shrine bonuses or entering UW/FoW costs gold, I don't see the additional need of having the favor anyway.
My toons played through all chapters over the last 6.5 years, among which is one GWAMM, so if these gods don't deem me fit for eternal blessings about now, I don't know what will :P
And I think it's safe to say that goes for most players.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Considering how many scrolls are spawned whenever someone kills Dhuum, I don't think people will run into problems when favor runs out. At least, the SC guilds won't.

Curo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

GMT-5

Liars, Cheats and Thieves [Liar]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Considering how many scrolls are spawned whenever someone kills Dhuum, I don't think people will run into problems when favor runs out. At least, the SC guilds won't.
The loss of favor will impact the poorer non-SC guilds most. As you said, the SC guilds have the scrolls. Most other guilds that casually do UW tend to fail a lot.

So as usual, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Occupy Underworld!

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Relax people. There will be a massive influx of Party and Sweet Tooth titles in the next few days to boost it back up again

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curo View Post
So as usual, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Occupy Underworld!
Lets not infest the forum with hippy nonsense like occupy anything

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curo View Post
The loss of favor will impact the poorer non-SC guilds most. As you said, the SC guilds have the scrolls. Most other guilds that casually do UW tend to fail a lot.

So as usual, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Occupy Underworld!
So let the rich keep spending/using and the "poor" enjoy the ride. That's my philosophy and I'm not rich!

fernling306

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

EOC

W/Mo

I'm confused, doesn't the favor just allow you to enter UW etc. through the statues in chantry of secrets for 1k and without favor you have to buy a scroll which is about 1k anyways?

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernling306 View Post
I'm confused, doesn't the favor just allow you to enter UW etc. through the statues in chantry of secrets for 1k and without favor you have to buy a scroll which is about 1k anyways?
Favor adds cap on price of scrolls - when you have guaranteed 1k entrance fee, it is impossible to sell scroll from more than that. Market just can not beat infinite supply.

Without favor, scroll prices would likely raise well above 1k. And there is always danger of traders running ouf of scrolls.

Of course, there are people with stacks of them and succesfull run is guaranteed to create 7 extra scrolls, so it might not be as fast.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernling306 View Post
I'm confused, doesn't the favor just allow you to enter UW etc. through the statues in chantry of secrets for 1k and without favor you have to buy a scroll which is about 1k anyways?
True, except for one bit: the scrolls are not created by the Rare scroll trader NPCs, they can only sell what the players sell to them (like the material traders) and therefore can run out of supply.

fernling306

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

EOC

W/Mo

Haha well that explains it then... I didn't even realize that material traders etc. only sold what was sold to them.

Da Kenster

Da Kenster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

A shoebox

The Boat Crew

W/E

I also tend to get a few on my raptor runs while farming for other things (though I get FoW scrolls more), so those will also be in the market right now since quite a few people are farming raptors for holiday drops.

Leohan

Leohan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

R/

Start hording the scrolls the end of days is upon us, why have the gods forsaken us.

Oh favor I forgot that you existed with all the HoM farming. I guess majority of players after 3-6 years have their god titles/ 30 to 50 points.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernling306 View Post
Haha well that explains it then... I didn't even realize that material traders etc. only sold what was sold to them.
Try buying glittering dust for Canthan new year, when everyone crafts fireworks... it usually runs out soon. Also happens sometimes when Nicholas wants a rare material for his gifts...