24 Hours - Where is the logic?
Family Guy
I missed 1 Event in all of GW... 2 years ago. You don't see me bitching about the hats. You missed it, you'll get over it just like I did.
Internetuser
Its people like you OP, who clog up Anets support box with useless things. If it matters to you this much, then maybe the power outage needs to come back and stay with you a while.
Damian Greenthumb
<---Missed several individual Holiday Hats.
Would I like the original Witchy Hat? Sure.
Am I gonna gripe about it and send a ticket?
.................................................. ......No.
Would I like the original Witchy Hat? Sure.
Am I gonna gripe about it and send a ticket?
.................................................. ......No.
Swingline
They could at the very least put a vendor after the event just like the other holidays but I think you will just have to get over it bud.
Rise of Cpu
They should make a specialized mission for retrieving previous holiday hats. that way you would still have to work hard for them but they would still be attainable.
Anakita Snakecharm
I think the hats are a great reward for participation.
If the player doesn't even have to bother to show up, and doesn't even have to pretend they're involving themselves in the event to get one... what's the point? They're meaningless if they don't actually reward participants for playing.
I don't want to give people less reason to want to be involved in the game or less incentive to make an effort to show up for a community event.
If I didn't care about the game or the hats, I wouldn't care how they were distributed. I do care, I just disagree with you.
If the player doesn't even have to bother to show up, and doesn't even have to pretend they're involving themselves in the event to get one... what's the point? They're meaningless if they don't actually reward participants for playing.
I don't want to give people less reason to want to be involved in the game or less incentive to make an effort to show up for a community event.
If I didn't care about the game or the hats, I wouldn't care how they were distributed. I do care, I just disagree with you.
Rise of Cpu
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First of all, if you want to talk about respect don't insult someones intelligence because they don't agree with you.
On topic: I agree it would be nice to maybe have a sort of hat vendor in place for a few days after the event. However, I also agree with some of the other posters. The hats are a reward for actually attending the event. If we keep going down this road we'll be having festivals for months at a time. P.S. You're way overreacting... chill the crap down. You don't always get what you want. |
And referring to the intelligence thing, I don't think its right for anyone to come onto this forum and demotivate someone. anyone can have their own point of view, take a breather the few of you who need to bring others down.
I totally agree that it will lose the overall meaning of holiday events if we have such a long extension, or a long-term availability for holiday items.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel
Wintersday, Halloween, and Dragon Festival masks are different every year. While the opportunity to get a mask is annual, the opportunity to get a specific mask only happens once.
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As someone who, up untill now had perfect hat collection (every single hat, ever, it was pretty damn hard and challenging), I am slighty annoyed for loosing that prestige.
Say what you say, but in WoW seasonal events as I remember them were much more compatible with casual gameplay and doing usual seasonal stuff in RL.
Mouse at Large
I've got some hats, and missed out on others. It hasn't blighted my GW experience in any way shape or form.
But then again, I know and appreciate that GW is a game that which I choose to play in my spare time because I enjoy it. If GW ever drove me to get so bent out of shape that I felt the need to take the action the OP did, the I'd seriously question why I'm playing it.
GW is not RL (and not nearly as important).
But then again, I know and appreciate that GW is a game that which I choose to play in my spare time because I enjoy it. If GW ever drove me to get so bent out of shape that I felt the need to take the action the OP did, the I'd seriously question why I'm playing it.
GW is not RL (and not nearly as important).
Rise of Cpu
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
And it is impossible to get both masks if you just leave toon AFK because you have to switch towns to get both.
As someone who, up untill now had perfect hat collection (every single hat, ever, it was pretty damn hard and challenging), I am slighty annoyed for loosing that prestige. Say what you say, but in WoW seasonal events as I remember them were much more compatible with casual gameplay and doing usual seasonal stuff in RL. |
I see where you're going with WoW, but the difference is, GW works on a different style of gameplay. WoW is based upon more of a 'sandbox' gameframe. on the other hand, GW is based upon instances, for now. GW2 will definately show how it will offer things differently through the sandbox effect.
lemming
I feel like this discussion isn't going to get much further, given how discontent the OP is.
Let me know if there's a good reason to keep this thread going - detailed suggestions can and should be posted and discussed in Sardelac.
Let me know if there's a good reason to keep this thread going - detailed suggestions can and should be posted and discussed in Sardelac.
Grj
Bundle all the event hats together and put them in the store or just put a NPC that gives them out rather then waiting around afk.
Rise of Cpu
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Originally Posted by Grj
Bundle all the event hats together and put them in the store.
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Shakkara
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Originally Posted by hallomik
OP makes a good case.
Anet has re-run events in the past when circumstances prevented full participation. I'd say the freak Halloween snowstorm and related power outages is as good an excuse as any for a Halloween 2011 redux. I got my hats this year, but I see no reason dedicated hat collectors in the northeast should be screwed. Temporary hat vendor or trader is fine too. |
I got all the hats myself, although I had to leave my PC running two hours before the finale would start, with multiple clients while I was at work. Half of the clients had disconnected and many didn't get the hat, luckily I could attend two more finales when I got back from work so eventually got it all on the accounts that had missed out.
AFKing isn't really an option due to the disconnects and the fact that you have to be in two towns to get both of the hats. Especially so when you got loads of accounts.
Oleg
The hats are for participating in the event. I'd agree that the window for participation is narrow, but not for the same reason. Halloween in GW coincided with RL Halloween for 6 hours in my time zone. That could be viewed as an advantage or disadvantage. What I'd suggest is extending Halloween to begin when Halloween starts on earth, at the international date line, to midnight when it ends at the last place on earth. This would mean Halloween runs for 48 rather than 24 hours, but each time zone would get 24 hours of Halloween on Halloween, and 24 when it isn't (either before, after or both). I'd like to see this for weekend events, too. A 1/4 of the weekend is done before it starts where I am.
As to missing out on a hat, well, hopefully GW will be completely redundant soon and you won't care anymore. If Anet recognise that people play GW outside of the States, you might just get a wider window of opportunity you're hoping for.
As to missing out on a hat, well, hopefully GW will be completely redundant soon and you won't care anymore. If Anet recognise that people play GW outside of the States, you might just get a wider window of opportunity you're hoping for.
Rise of Cpu
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Originally Posted by Shakkara
Amen.
I got all the hats myself, although I had to leave my PC running two hours before the finale would start, with multiple clients while I was at work. Half of the clients had disconnected and many didn't get the hat, luckily I could attend two more finales when I got back from work so eventually got it all on the accounts that had missed out. AFKing isn't really an option due to the disconnects and the fact that you have to be in two towns to get both of the hats. Especially so when you got loads of accounts. |
tummlykins
The finale has been the most retarded reward tradition in GW for many reasons.
By the time you get the hat, you wear it for a few hours then the festival is over. You can't use it to dress up for festival quests, PvP arenas or anything like that, they become relics and dated almost instantly. Let people who are celebrating Halloween in game do it for the entire duration of the event by linking the hats to content to be completed during the entire course of the festival. This gives people at least one whole week to obtain the hat by actually playing the game. They can then use it to customise their character in a festive way for the rest of the event.
Finales are the dumbest tradition in Guild Wars, afk'ing for thousands of players in often more than 100 districts in two different towns in absolutely stupid. Clearly from the OP's situation, and hundreds of other variations, ArenaNet can see that the finale system of obtaining the much desired hat has massive flaws and almost no value to retaining it.
By the time you get the hat, you wear it for a few hours then the festival is over. You can't use it to dress up for festival quests, PvP arenas or anything like that, they become relics and dated almost instantly. Let people who are celebrating Halloween in game do it for the entire duration of the event by linking the hats to content to be completed during the entire course of the festival. This gives people at least one whole week to obtain the hat by actually playing the game. They can then use it to customise their character in a festive way for the rest of the event.
Finales are the dumbest tradition in Guild Wars, afk'ing for thousands of players in often more than 100 districts in two different towns in absolutely stupid. Clearly from the OP's situation, and hundreds of other variations, ArenaNet can see that the finale system of obtaining the much desired hat has massive flaws and almost no value to retaining it.
Rise of Cpu
I think it would be cool to have a Halloween mission set. and through the mission set you would in the end get a halloween skin dye for your armor, would be pretty insane actually.
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by Vincent Evan
It's not once in a lifetime, it's annual. Major key difference there.
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If they were in the GW shop, those that couldn't get them for free could at least pay for them to get them.
It won't solve the troubles for everyone, but at leasy it would be something.
We've also ruled out that you must participate to get a hat, since some festivals have collectors after and some people just keep farming and them buy the tokens for the collector after. And some people is just AFK during the festival.
BEing AFK or coming when the party is over is NOT participating.
We also ruled out that all those that participate get to keep the hat, since it's not directly unlocked and accidents may happen. You may have left the guy AFK, forget to give the hat of have a mindslip that made you think you already showed the hat, delete it and... gone, forever. Even if you did participate.
If you may have the hat without participating, and you may not have the hat even after participating, why is people sticking to that?
We should keep only what's is really true: When you get them in-game, you get them for free.
Just putting them in the GW shop would be welcomed be many players. We already got them for free, so what if they can get them too? I won't enjoy my free hats less because more people have them, newbies have the right to enjoy all of GW, even those silly deer horn hats, and if Anet gets more cash to do more GWBeyond in the process, it's a situation in which everybody wins. Making hats that will be sold later would also ensure they make better hats more people would like.
I think more content for all should prevail over some anal fixation of a few.
Rise of Cpu
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I won't enjoy my free hats less because more people have them, newbies have the right to enjoy all of GW, even those silly deer horn hats, and if Anet gets more cash to do more GWBeyond in the process, it's a situation in which everybody wins. Making hats that will be sold later would also ensure they make better hats more people would like.
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tummlykins
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Originally Posted by Rise of Cpu
people may feel differently about the hats than you do, no? just saying I know people who value the hat because it comes only once a year, so it makes it even more special when its part of their collection.
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Rise of Cpu
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Originally Posted by tummlykins
That's an attitude that needs to be stomped out of MMO culture, not catered to at the cost of the masses and good ideas.
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JONO51
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Originally Posted by Anakita Snakecharm
Um... no, it's quite the opposite. I think the hats are a great reward for participation.
If the player doesn't even have to bother to show up, and doesn't even have to pretend they're involving themselves in the event to get one... what's the point? They're meaningless if they don't actually reward participants for playing. I don't want to give people less reason to want to be involved in the game or less incentive to make an effort to show up for a community event. |
Curo
I actually agree with the OP. You people are relentless, jeeze. Didn't read past the first page because of all the people bitching at him.
Gli
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Originally Posted by JONO51
They are a reward for participation, yes. You can participate at any point that suits you over a ~week period. But you can only get the reward during a few finales over one 24hr period. Don't you see the issue with this?
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It also seems like really trying to be as unaccommodating as they possibly can, to hold the final on a weekday when there's a perfectly viable sunday the day before. I earned over 1500 gamer points this festival, so it's safe to say I participated, but I had to stretch myself very thin last monday to attend the final in a non-afk way. Also, I was more or less expecting there to be a hat collector NPC after the festival this year. They even added one to Wintersday, so it stood to reason they'd add one for every festival.
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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn
On topic a little more, I could see doing a hat trader for 2-3 days after the finale ends. We all know that everyone would then complain about a retroactive hat person for all past hats, then even more butt hurt anger riddled letters to support, followed by more butt-hurt threads on Guru.
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Kharmin
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Originally Posted by tummlykins
Let people who are celebrating Halloween in game do it for the entire duration of the event by linking the hats to content to be completed during the entire course of the festival. This gives people at least one whole week to obtain the hat by actually playing the game. They can then use it to customise their character in a festive way for the rest of the event.
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Yichi
its a hat...
Premium Unleaded
Where is the logic in wasting time and effort on these purely aesthetic aspects that are holiday festivals when there is literally a glut of problems with the game itself - bugs, skill balance, pvp activity, etc.?
gremlin
For people who have interests outside of guildwars or just a family that expects them to get off the computer at Christmas and so on this is an important point.
The events have got longer and longer which is pretty stupid but the basic problem of on the actual day we have real life stuff to do remains.
Move the Canthan new year by a few days so all of asia can have their celebrations then play the game.
Celebrate wintersday after Christmas as before it we have the winter solstice on the 21st and then Christmas itself so midway between Christmas and new year would seem suitable
Yes there are lots of important things to fix in the game but we all have the right to have our views considered equally and not always have the argument that x y and z badly need fixing so forget this cosmetic stuff.
There will always be something more important than festivals and hats so they would never get worked on by that logic.
The events have got longer and longer which is pretty stupid but the basic problem of on the actual day we have real life stuff to do remains.
Move the Canthan new year by a few days so all of asia can have their celebrations then play the game.
Celebrate wintersday after Christmas as before it we have the winter solstice on the 21st and then Christmas itself so midway between Christmas and new year would seem suitable
Yes there are lots of important things to fix in the game but we all have the right to have our views considered equally and not always have the argument that x y and z badly need fixing so forget this cosmetic stuff.
There will always be something more important than festivals and hats so they would never get worked on by that logic.
Turkey Baster
Trust me, you won't care in a week.
Laraja
I'm a bit puzzled as to why people people act like it's the end of the world if they miss the hats.
Hats and costumes take up precious space and it's not like they're a handy consumable or provide any buffs.
I like my pink ears from last year. Everything else I put in the wastebin.
Hats and costumes take up precious space and it's not like they're a handy consumable or provide any buffs.
I like my pink ears from last year. Everything else I put in the wastebin.
Swingline
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Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded
Where is the logic in wasting time and effort on these purely aesthetic aspects that are holiday festivals when there is literally a glut of problems with the game itself - bugs, skill balance, pvp activity, etc.?
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Originally Posted by Laraja
Hats and costumes take up precious space...
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shinta_himura
The changes would be for the benefit of all players. The hats and events would not be any less special than they already are. The hats would still be once-in-a-lifetime rewards for festival participation but it would be more accessible for more of the fanbase, how is that wrong?
Instead of coming here and raging like a lunatic I actually put in the time to think of solutions and express them to Anet, but I'm still berated by people who don't really want to talk about it and just want to boast how they don't care about the hat they missed or how it's just a hat and that other people shouldn't care so much either.
There are lots of things in this world beyond video games that are "just things" that people care a lot about, maybe it's not practical but that's the way it is, that's reality. If only the people boasting their apathy could put that aside for a moment and participate meaningfully in a dialogue between the fanbase and Arenanet, maybe that would be enough to see a change.
They're already willing to help people deal with unfortunate circumstances surrounding the holiday events, there is a step further that we could go, but they won't see it unless the community speaks up about it.
This isn't about devaluing the hats or rewarding people who don't participate, it's about making sure people who participate are rewarded, or opening up an already week-long festival to those who would participate, but have no choice but to miss the current 24-hour hat period.
In response to "But them bugs and glitches!": There are only six people on the live team, but even so it doesn't take all six of them to do something about this. I think the most drastic change would be to create a new halloween token - just copy paste an existing image icon, like candy corns or something, maybe recolor it - and then spawn two new NPCs, one in LA and one in Kamadan. Whoever would be in charge of doing that probably wouldn't be in charge of handling bug reports or fixes.
Instead of coming here and raging like a lunatic I actually put in the time to think of solutions and express them to Anet, but I'm still berated by people who don't really want to talk about it and just want to boast how they don't care about the hat they missed or how it's just a hat and that other people shouldn't care so much either.
There are lots of things in this world beyond video games that are "just things" that people care a lot about, maybe it's not practical but that's the way it is, that's reality. If only the people boasting their apathy could put that aside for a moment and participate meaningfully in a dialogue between the fanbase and Arenanet, maybe that would be enough to see a change.
They're already willing to help people deal with unfortunate circumstances surrounding the holiday events, there is a step further that we could go, but they won't see it unless the community speaks up about it.
This isn't about devaluing the hats or rewarding people who don't participate, it's about making sure people who participate are rewarded, or opening up an already week-long festival to those who would participate, but have no choice but to miss the current 24-hour hat period.
In response to "But them bugs and glitches!": There are only six people on the live team, but even so it doesn't take all six of them to do something about this. I think the most drastic change would be to create a new halloween token - just copy paste an existing image icon, like candy corns or something, maybe recolor it - and then spawn two new NPCs, one in LA and one in Kamadan. Whoever would be in charge of doing that probably wouldn't be in charge of handling bug reports or fixes.
Alvarez
I missed the hats, too, since the finale fell on a Monday. I didn't get home from work until after 9 PM EST and couldn't stay up till midnight for the final showing of Mad King but... I don't feel like I have to write a complaint to the company for it.
They let us know a week (or more?) a head of time when the finale was to take place and seeing how important this is to you, you could have made arrangements to stay home and get said hat(s).
At least it sounds important to you from what extreme you went to.
They let us know a week (or more?) a head of time when the finale was to take place and seeing how important this is to you, you could have made arrangements to stay home and get said hat(s).
At least it sounds important to you from what extreme you went to.
shinta_himura
I made all the necessary arrangements... and then my internet connection died on October 30th 8pm, it wasn't restored until the morning of November 1st.
Alvarez
Ah, didn't see that part. Apologies. I think you should be irate with your ISP more than the game.
Sounds like a bad stroke of luck. Sorry to hear.
Sounds like a bad stroke of luck. Sorry to hear.
shinta_himura
Unfortunately it's not even the ISPs fault.
My area was hit with snow storms, their technicians were out on the morning of the 31st recovering power outages but cable and internet outages were not fixed until the 1st.
My area was hit with snow storms, their technicians were out on the morning of the 31st recovering power outages but cable and internet outages were not fixed until the 1st.
Star_Jewel
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Originally Posted by shinta_himura
In response to "But them bugs and glitches!": There are only six people on the live team, but even so it doesn't take all six of them to do something about this. I think the most drastic change would be to create a new halloween token - just copy paste an existing image icon, like candy corns or something, maybe recolor it - and then spawn two new NPCs, one in LA and one in Kamadan. Whoever would be in charge of doing that probably wouldn't be in charge of handling bug reports or fixes.
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- Candy-Cane Shards are traded for gifts/consumables (or crappy weapons) -> used to get a hat.
- Victory Tokens are traded for consumables -> used to get a hat.
- Trick or Treat Bags are used to get consumables -> why not use to get a hat?
The only issue would be that ToT bags are so plentiful, it really wouldn't hurt most players much to fork over a stack of them for a hat. I guess those who "participate" in the finale might find that unfair, but I think asking for more than a stack could potentially cause some coding problems.
Also, a stack is rewarded for doing a particular quest line -- similar to Dragon Festival Victory Tokens.
shinta_himura
Good point, Anet has basically covered Tyria in a coating of 5 layers of ToT bags since 2009, I don't see a problem in having the hat collector take them.
cormac ap dunn
Regardless of the desire to add a Halloween NPC or not, this idea has one flaw, the hats for this year will most likely elude you, as the event is already over, better luck next year. Redux events in the past were for botches on Anets part, this year, there was no mistake, therefore, no Redux event. Keeping this topic going, though it may feel therapeutic for the OP is a bit unnecessary. There are really only 2 schools of thought here and they have been expressed multiple times, to which the OP only responds to the ones in favor of his ideas and the rest he/she dismisses as people complaining. Here's the deal with forums, If you post the topic, people will respond honestly. Whether you like it or not you open yourself to all those opinions positive or negative by deciding to post your ideas.