Discordway post 6th jan patch
Gabs88
Just came back to the game and started looking over the different changes and builds. Has anyone tried implenting a more nuke focused Discordway post patch? It should be a quite significant improvement as far as Deathly Swarm goes
chullster
no, mainly because discordway team builds are too slow and outdated.
Venganza
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no, mainly because discordway team builds are too slow and outdated.
Yeah, I don't know of anyone who uses Discord since 3h limit was sorted.
turbo234
pretty sure a lot of people use something close to what i use:
soul twisting rit
n/rt healer w/ icy veins
panic mesmer
ineptitude mesmer
AotL mm
fire ele
and last depends on area.
when i vq or do anything hard mode related, i barely have to pay attention most of the time and can aggro several groups and walk away.
still able to kill quick + good protection.
soul twisting rit
n/rt healer w/ icy veins
panic mesmer
ineptitude mesmer
AotL mm
fire ele
and last depends on area.
when i vq or do anything hard mode related, i barely have to pay attention most of the time and can aggro several groups and walk away.
still able to kill quick + good protection.
Andemius
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tenderpoison
You people would be amazed of how many people still use Discord nowadays. I won't say it's bad or good, I guess it just depends on everyone's playstyle and everything. I (on my elementalist) personally use a Healing Burst monk, a N/Rt healer, an MM, 1 Panic / E-Surge, 1 Shared Burden, 1 Ineptitude and one VoS derv. It takes like literally just a few seconds for a group to die. Never tried it in Elite areas, but in all the other areas and so far it works great for me. And as a personal note : for me, it works faster than Discord.
Spiritz
I was never a fan of discordway and sadly now i do tend to use 7h dway but i will still say that dway has quite a few drawbacks.Yes it can fly thru most zones but because of that you will get a seriously huge drop in any drops you get.Also blasting thru things may sound really gd but as many will agree - its just button mashing and you lose the ability to think of own builds etc.
Ive played gw for 5 yrs now and done campaigns multiple times so using dway isnt really an issue - theres plenty of better builds out there.
Also the only reason dway works is because of the ar ignoring dmg - something that eles dont have atm.Before anyone says "oh but eles can nuke" - in hm any aoe will cause foes to split and thats not what you want.Why take an ele when you could easily add another discord necro ?
Ive played gw for 5 yrs now and done campaigns multiple times so using dway isnt really an issue - theres plenty of better builds out there.
Also the only reason dway works is because of the ar ignoring dmg - something that eles dont have atm.Before anyone says "oh but eles can nuke" - in hm any aoe will cause foes to split and thats not what you want.Why take an ele when you could easily add another discord necro ?
Gabs88
You use it with Deathly Swarm or without?
Jeydra
With, obviously. If you were to put together a Discord bar carrying Fall Back, what else would you use?
Gabs88
Well prepatch you wouldnt bother bringing it at all really, armor levels and all.
Kunder
2x Deathly Swarm
4x Searing Flame
Macro all 6 to one key, AoE Discord on steroids. Make mobs explode instantly.
Rest of group throw in imba defense from ST rit/SY player/Emo/whatever. Make sure player carries EBSoH.
4x Searing Flame
Macro all 6 to one key, AoE Discord on steroids. Make mobs explode instantly.
Rest of group throw in imba defense from ST rit/SY player/Emo/whatever. Make sure player carries EBSoH.
Xenomortis
How do you manage to bind skills from six heroes when the option only exists to bind skills on the first three?
Dzjudz
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The problem is that with Invoke nerfed, there is no replacement template that's as good and as effective in all areas of the game. Fire Eles work to some extent, but against monsters with huge armour vs. Fire (Destroyers, Burning Spirits, etc) they're clearly subpar. What's going to take the place? Discord stands out as one of the few options around.
7HPS and RoJway were around long before the update and don't use Discord.
Yuna Matsumarui
Xenomortis
External macros can achieve that.
Gabs88
ele kid
I personally am no fan of discordway, but i do know of CAN be super efficient with mercenaries. People doing hm titan quests no cons no summons no morale in insane times. Plainly dropping à meteor shower and do the usual.
Improvavel
It is fun how people still like to bash a very powerful but not broken skill.
The biggest drawback of discord is being a death magic skill.
The only stupid thing about discordway is physical chars running AP caller builds.
The biggest drawback of discord is being a death magic skill.
The only stupid thing about discordway is physical chars running AP caller builds.
Gabs88
Been messing around with the build planner a bit and ATM im at this
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Anyone got a good idea about what to use the last slots for? Got a full set of mercs so can grab anything from another nec to mes to SOGM rit but unsure which would be best right now.
And if there is any elementalist builds that may fill the spot well? Cracked armor would be nice
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Anyone got a good idea about what to use the last slots for? Got a full set of mercs so can grab anything from another nec to mes to SOGM rit but unsure which would be best right now.
And if there is any elementalist builds that may fill the spot well? Cracked armor would be nice
PurpleFission
Discord is really inferior now because of the 7h patch, henchies are not that great so there had to be a condensed version of a spike and utility. aka discord. nowadays, because you have so many more heroes, discord lacks the spiking power that you could have if you had chosen a different setup. ss necro, iv necro, ST rit, and a triple mesmers with esurge, AC and ineptitude.
The forth fly
If your new discord is perfect,not every one wants to do SoO HM with hero's or go to gloom, for casual/new players that want to finish the game or just want a few points for HoM you cant do better NM or HM
Kunder
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It's true. Discordway's true strength was being able to compress damage, heals, minions and/or prots on to one hero bar. It was very strong and still is decent today. With 7 heroes, you just do not need that kind of bar compression. Nowadays, you can get the same kind of single target spike you'd get with 3 discords, without taking discord. For reference, I completed all of Slavers' HM with H/H discordway. No other H/H setup for casters was remotely as powerful until spirits got buffed. Completely untrue. Discord was never a great build even back in the 3H days. It was passable, but you could never handle elite areas well with it. Kaida the Heartless
Discord has always been and continues to be a strong, viable option for players. In fact, you can, with relative ease, complete anything in the game next to DoA HM. I'd imagine that with some patience, you could even use it to complete DoA HM as well. It won't net you the best times for completions [anywhere]; it isn't a tweaked per-dungeon/location build but it'll still clear quickly and easily. The strength must be seen in a broader perspective; it is a build meant for general success, and it does that well.
Xenomortis
I have no memory of anyone completing the Slaver's dungeons H/H with Discord.
I know a few managed it with other setups before spirit way came about, but not with Discord. If you managed it, you never shared it. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...t10385769.html http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/h...t10366528.html Of course, we were all terrible then; even the first attempts with spirits failed pretty hard. ![]() I doubt Jeydra offered the suggestion of paragons, since apart from Slaver's he did everything with Discord too, if I remember correctly; although I find it somewhat comical that I might have suggested that... Although I guess heroes were so much weaker in general back then. The Rit update changed the game for the solo player dramatically. Before then, physicals had a massive advantage in both damage and stability when H/Hing thanks to Save Yourselves and the natural damage properties a physical has. After the Rit update, caster balls gained a lot in damage and stability, effectively robbing physicals of their advantage. I'm not even sure the 7 hero update really compared to that; since that just boosted everything and didn't really change much fundamental, other than make everything easier. Discord is a relic; a now overshadowed means of overwhelming near all the H/Hable parts of PvE. Swingline
The only reason discord is still around is because of its bar compression, past popularity and unwillingness to switch from a build that they are accustomed to running even though its fallen as a top tier build.
Kunder
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Forgewight on the other hand I just could not finish without DP removers. There was no necro version of ER that jeydra used to finish it :P
Yeah, thanks for doing that for me.
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I did duncan several times with discord/resto, discord/MM and 1 random (usually SS or VoR) with myself as SS usually. I never did manage to get a "perfect" run, but it was very much possible.
You aren't even running a discord build then, its just 2 random necros with discord instead of more powerful elites.
AtomicMew
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Afaik, only Jeydra completed forgewight on a caster with no consumables or at least, he was the first. Other people may have replicated his achievement with his build using ER, but that was not available to me at the time since I played exclusively on my necro.
You aren't even running a discord build then, its just 2 random necros with discord instead of more powerful elites.
Two of three casters using discord, how is that not discordway? Also, what "more powerful elites" are you talking about? For the healer especially: weapon of remedy? You refuse to address any of the points I put forth. You have yet to contribute anything to any thread I've visited other than to attack people who disagree with you with your verbal snark. Being that you are new-ish, that is not the way to make a name for yourself. Xslash
some ppl are just full of BS.
talking about H/H DoA. You could never have henchmen in DoA bro. On an unrelated note, Obviously Discord isn't weak for it to gain so much popularity. I think the strength in discord is the bar flexibility & compression. Discord is quite strong when you run heroes with default weapons and no runes because you'll still kill stuff and still stay alive. Discord is also strong when you don't have a lot of skills unlocked. Basically get Discord, then 7 other spells and herpderp your way through the game. AtomicMew
Haha, that's true.
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I assume this discussion is talking about pre 7Hero HM Slaver's, as Slaver's is quite completable as a solo caster these days (Done it with Dwayna, although it's largely a spirit build anyway). That being said, I don't really want to get involved in this debate.
@Gabs: Cracked is probably best done by Curses, but the only thing you'd really be buffing is deathly swarm and minions, the rest of your skills are mostly armour ignoring. You could probably live without it. I'd suggest Hexbreaker Aria (your team is mostly spellcasting and hex removal light) or Hex eater signet. Throw the rez onto the mesmer instead of the discord necro. As for the eight slot, how about Icy veins? You'd have to micro it (ideally to the same key as AP), but it probably works pretty well with Discord. |