how can i reach gaile gray?? where did she post this stuff? i have name(s) to submit.
will need to check my screenies
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Linksys
If anyone did actually duplicate items and did it on purpose, a ban would be up to whoever at Anet is deciding on that. But for disconnecting a district of people for the fun of it, I think a suspension is a better course of action. I'm not admitting to purposefully doing that by saying that. I didn't know I disconnected a district of Embark Beach. And I did explain what happened and I hope a chat log doesn't incriminate me. I also later joked saying don't do this and that, basically explaining how to do the bug crash. And it was foolish of me. I wasn't trying to make people utilize this tactic. I guess my mind was on joking around. I hope that doesn't get me banned.
I'm not downplaying anything I did. I'm being completely honest.
I'm not downplaying anything I did. I'm being completely honest.
spun ducky
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I agree with banning people who "exploited" the situation, but Anet has to take some responsibility here, don't they?
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Linksys
True, it is Anet's code or whatever term applies that started all this. At some point, with people disconnecting when trying to watch a HoH battle, someone must have realized that outpost districts were being disconnected because of that. I read somewhere, here or in local chat at Embark Beach, that the discovery took place in a guild hall. And I suppose word got out and it snowballed from there. Anyways, Anet should see that when this happens, human nature will happen and people can get mischief. There is curiosity and excitement when realizing you can do something out of the ordinary. It's not an excuse to crash outpost districts excessively or, if it really is possible, use it to duplicate stacks of ectos. But for the casual district crashers who did it a few times, I can't fault them really. Especially those who have been playing this game constantly for years and the actions of switching districts and outposts and perceived limits gets repeated in their thinking so many times. Finally something weird happens and they have some control over it or can cause something to happen.
Let's say someone found a hidden tunnel that was hard to find. But happened upon it and found that it spans the length of a major freeway. And that person can use it during heavy traffic hours and drive 80 mph unhindered. And finds that the tunnel has other entrances and exits that are hidden and he or she is able to use them secretly. And that person won't be caught or thinks he or she won't be caught. What do you think that person will do?
Let's say someone found a hidden tunnel that was hard to find. But happened upon it and found that it spans the length of a major freeway. And that person can use it during heavy traffic hours and drive 80 mph unhindered. And finds that the tunnel has other entrances and exits that are hidden and he or she is able to use them secretly. And that person won't be caught or thinks he or she won't be caught. What do you think that person will do?
Spiritz
Wow i go out for the night and miss all the action.
But Gaile is right - honestly when someone says in local press alt+f4 does everyone do it - is everyone that stupid ?
Does the players who see everyone else doing it follow suit - does it not occur to them that thay may/will be found out ?
Come on guys - crashing servers on gw doesnt spoil the game for a few players but spoils it for almost everyone , think also how many new players could have been put off -" gw is such a nice looking game but it seems to crash a lot so im k off too WoW or whatever" .
GW is half represented by anet & co and the rest by us - and probably out of the 2 sides its us the players who help promote the game and its gameplay .
On a lighter note - with all the dc`s i wonder how many bots lost their owners money etc in pvp.
But Gaile is right - honestly when someone says in local press alt+f4 does everyone do it - is everyone that stupid ?
Does the players who see everyone else doing it follow suit - does it not occur to them that thay may/will be found out ?
Come on guys - crashing servers on gw doesnt spoil the game for a few players but spoils it for almost everyone , think also how many new players could have been put off -" gw is such a nice looking game but it seems to crash a lot so im k off too WoW or whatever" .
GW is half represented by anet & co and the rest by us - and probably out of the 2 sides its us the players who help promote the game and its gameplay .
On a lighter note - with all the dc`s i wonder how many bots lost their owners money etc in pvp.
Swingline
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Awesome, I missed the whole thing so I guess I'm safe.
Yes, people can be totally stupid so this will always be the "knee jerk reaction". The onus really comes back to the company that made the product, to ensure that if this(or any other possible issue) was to happen there would be no ill effects to the end user. That is what product testing is for, isn't it? I agree with banning people who "exploited" the situation, but Anet has to take some responsibility here, don't they? Just my 2 cents.  ~Andy~ |
Anyways I agree with spun ducky, its Anets code outright failing. No reason anyone should be perma banned.
MithranArkanere
Yes, there's a reason.
The rules of conduct clearly states that exploiting bugs and griefing players is prohibited.
If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is?
The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it.
The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame.
Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse.
So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours.
The rules of conduct clearly states that exploiting bugs and griefing players is prohibited.
If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is?
The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it.
The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame.
Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse.
So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours.
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Yes, there's a reason.
The rules of conduct clearly states that exploiting bugs and griefing players is prohibited. If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is? The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it. The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame. Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse. So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours. |
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So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours.
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But, if they did really ban in the past what should have been a bannable offense( i.e multi launch obvious abuses, matchs manipulations, bots , etc.., basically doing their job)instead of acting like " lalalalalalala" when everyone complained, people would have think twice before testing it out i guess...
Lithril Ashwalker
PLEASE REMOVE THE NAMES OF PEOPLE COUNTING DOWN ETC AND POST THEM IN A (PRIVATE MESSAGE) TO GAILE GRAY ON THE GUILD WARS SUPPORT FORUMS IMMEDIATELY. YOU COULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER VIOLATION IF NOT REMOVED THE NAMES FROM THIS POST
the 007 error was on account of an exploitable bug causing the server in a specific district.
the 007 error was on account of an exploitable bug causing the server in a specific district.
StormDragonZ
Can someone give me a concise description on what exactly happened besides a significant number of people getting Error 007'd often?
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Can someone give me a concise description on what exactly happened besides a significant number of people getting Error 007'd often?
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Da Kenster
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Can someone give me a concise description on what exactly happened besides a significant number of people getting Error 007'd often?
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Perhaps of greater consequence is that this happening led to people losing items they had recently obtained, and even the possibility of people duping items. If the latter is true, the hour or so in which people could have used this exploit could have led to duplication of numerous items in high amounts. For this obvious reason they are banning and investigating people who took advantage of the exploit as well as people who were griefing other players.
Hope that helps describe some of what occurred.
Swingline
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If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is?
The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it. The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame. Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse. |
2) The cop would have been held responsible for leaving his gun lying around, get fired or even see jail time for his negligence because something like this is bound to happen.
This event was like someone leaving a bunch of water balloons lying around and throwing them at random people for shits and giggles.
People didn't lose items or money outright. All the DCs did was rollback to the point where you had your item or money back.
Tullzinski
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Well personally i hope noone gets banned >.>........................
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I hope they ban your whole guild to boot!
Swingline
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Funny you would say that, I saw a screenshot of someone with your guildtag doing the countdown in kamadan to crash the server and people begging him to stop it. So I hope he gets banned hard!
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Tullzinski
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Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.
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This is about Guild Wars the game and screwing with everyone on purpose in the game and I hope the receive the full punishment in the game. Everyone who was kicked out of the game because of ppl like that deserve to be angry and I hope they form an angry mob and demand banning of the guilty players. How it is significant/insignificant to the real world does not matter.
And after reading all your replies in this thread it makes me wonder if you will be banned also? You almost fit the profile...
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Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.
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Lanier
this seems like a really insignificant issue, and certainly one not worthy of a permaban. A temporary ban seems like a more reasonable punishment.
Linksys
I agree with that also. If it can be looked into and seen that beyond the shadow of a doubt someone was doing this excessively and on purpose, a temporary suspension would be better. IMO. Sure it disconnected other people from the game and people at Anet may be very bothered by that. But it was from some faulty programming or whatever term applies on the part of Anet.
Aycee
If they took advantage of a bug, KNOWING what it would do, just to disturb other people then yes I think they should be banned. They were enjoying ruining the game for other people, so why should they deserve to stay?
Swingline
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Why are you compairing the real world to the game?
This is about Guild Wars the game and screwing with everyone on purpose in the game and I hope the receive the full punishment in the game. Everyone who was kicked out of the game because of ppl like that deserve to be angry and I hope they form an angry mob and demand banning of the guilty players. How it is significant/insignificant to the real world does not matter. And after reading all your replies in this thread it makes me wonder if you will be banned also? You almost fit the profile... |
How many bots run rampant through JQ that have ruined my game experience for months because Anet does nothing, how many times have syncers booted out a good random team in RA because they breached the EULA by using a glitch in Anets system. If they actually enforced their EULA then crap like this wouldn't happen. Its a joke is what it is.
This bug was fixed within an hour and all it did was boot people off the game back to the character selection screen. You didn't even have to retype your login info.
LicensedLuny
Does anyone know if they're handing out permanent account terminations and/or temporary account suspensions for people deemed guilty of exploiting this?
I've recently been quite surprised at what EULA violations are punished by a temporary "suspension" instead of a permanent "termination." It would be interesting to know what they (Support) are handing out for these cases. Recently, I found that I'm wholly unqualified to guess how Support punishes violations.
I've recently been quite surprised at what EULA violations are punished by a temporary "suspension" instead of a permanent "termination." It would be interesting to know what they (Support) are handing out for these cases. Recently, I found that I'm wholly unqualified to guess how Support punishes violations.
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Because I shouldn't lose an account ive spent a lot of money on for doing it 3-4 times out of curiosity with no malicious intent to grief others. I was in kamadan at the bugs peak then found out what what causing it. Then Gaile goes on the support forums in a dire mood sending off the notion everyone involved will be permad...
How many bots run rampant through JQ that have ruined my game experience for months because Anet does nothing, how many times have syncers booted out a good random team in RA because they breached the EULA by using a glitch in Anets system. If they actually enforced their EULA then crap like this wouldn't happen. Its a joke is what it is. This bug was fixed within an hour and all it did was boot people off the game back to the character selection screen. You didn't even have to retype your login info. |
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6. CONTENT AND MEMBER CONDUCT
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You're obviously on tilt, lesson learned. Don't do it again, curiosity or not, and hope ANet doesn't find your case ban worthy compared to the other clowns who thought it'd be funny. Maybe they'll think you were legitimately trying to observe a match :3
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Your "3-4 times out of curiosity" potentially caused loss of items, and disrupted service for many people. Was once not enough for you? Surely you didn't need "3-4 times" to realize the exploit worked after the first. ANet has always had an incredibly firm no-nonsense stance on EULA violations, regardless of how loyal or how much money you've spent on their products. Remember the mass bot annihilation in May 2010? Good times!
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It was hard to tell in kamadan wtf was going on since every 1-5 seconds there was a 007 and there were no item losses, all the bug did was rollback the accounts involved for a few seconds and you had your money back. The ladder reset even pointed out the various guilds who sync GvG which is another EULA violation that goes unpunished.
Elnino
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Yea they totally have a zero tolerance on EULA viola... oh wait bots plague JQ every night and its the same ones over and over. A one time bot ban dont mean squat.
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That's because those bots take advantage of a number of loopholes that prevent them from being banned.
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Rushin Roulette
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Yea they totally have a zero tolerance on EULA viola... oh wait bots plague JQ every night and its the same ones over and over. A one time bot ban dont mean squat.
It was hard to tell in kamadan wtf was going on since every 1-5 seconds there was a 007 and there were no item losses, all the bug did was rollback the accounts involved for a few seconds and you had your money back. The ladder reset even pointed out the various guilds who sync GvG which is another EULA violation that goes unpunished. |
Your arguments sound like a rapist telling the cops that they should not arrest him because there are murderers out there.
What do Syncers, botters and scammers have to do with this situation? Right, nothing. Players intentionally crashed Anets servers and thats that. Now it is up to Anet to figure out which of the players who crashed the server were legitimately trying to use the observe mode and which ones were intentionally and knowingly abusing a bug in the code.
I think the chat plus the action logs shuold show which ones were logging back on with a "wtf?" in local chat and which ones were counting down right before pressing the observe button.
JONO51
Sounds like this has created a huge mess for ANet, especially if they have to do account restorations for people who lost stuff. Also, this whole thread brings back memories of the duping thread. I am just wondering when "I only tested it a few times" becomes "okay, maybe I did a few countdowns, but everyone else did!". Perhaps in a few pages.
Olle
So many people that "just tried it 1 time" are now so scared of getting a ban.
1 time= 1 server crash
1 server crash.... isnt that already to much?
1 time= 1 server crash
1 server crash.... isnt that already to much?
Missing HB
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What do Syncers, botters and scammers have to do with this situation? Right, nothing. Players intentionally crashed Anets servers and thats that. Now it is up to Anet to figure out which of the players who crashed the server were legitimately trying to use the observe mode and which ones were intentionally and knowingly abusing a bug in the code.
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Players intentionnaly crashed the servor, something forbidden , obviously it's bad and actually i think players who did it intentionnaly more than once deserve at least something... But seriously, if the only argument is " using exploit is bad", i could quote a multitude of players syncing every single format for TWO YEARS now although it's stated that match manipulation means banned( entering GvG matchs with few accounts to farm quest alone is clearly an abuse and deserves a ban), i could quote players abusing a bug to get top times in PvE farmings , i could quote the tons of botters that are still out in anjeka shrine, in jade quarry , etc...
You know, in life, it's usually said that as long as people don't get caught, they will keep trying , until they get caught and realize how bad and dangerous what they did was.. That's quite what happened here.. Players abused for years, nothing was done..
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So many people that "just tried it 1 time" are now so scared of getting a ban.
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It was hard to tell in kamadan wtf was going on since every 1-5 seconds there was a 007 and there were no item losses, all the bug did was rollback the accounts involved for a few seconds and you had your money back. The ladder reset even pointed out the various guilds who sync GvG which is another EULA violation that goes unpunished.
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Rushin Roulette
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Although i got to agree doing 3-4 times like he said was too much, i do believe , like i said in previous page, that if they did what they were supposed to do against syncers and botters instead of acting like " laalalalalala /care PvP lalalalala", noone would have done it more than once if at all...
Players intentionnaly crashed the servor, something forbidden , obviously it's bad and actually i think players who did it intentionnaly more than once deserve at least something... But seriously, if the only argument is " using exploit is bad", i could quote a multitude of players syncing every single format for TWO YEARS now although it's stated that match manipulation means banned( entering GvG matchs with few accounts to farm quest alone is clearly an abuse and deserves a ban), i could quote players abusing a bug to get top times in PvE farmings , i could quote the tons of botters that are still out in anjeka shrine, in jade quarry , etc... You know, in life, it's usually said that as long as people don't get caught, they will keep trying , until they get caught and realize how bad and dangerous what they did was.. That's quite what happened here.. Players abused for years, nothing was done.. |
Where I do draw the line however is by players who try to find an excuse for their actions by saying other people are doing other wrong things fro a while already. Either stand to your mistakes, try for some honesty and hope for some understanding from the players and companies you intentionally "harmed" (from lack of a better word) and learn not to make similar mistakes again, or leave it. I just dont like to read stupid excuses.
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Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.
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In any event, I could see why people would be curious about the cause of a string of crashes... and it's entirely reasonable that people would test a serious bug they suspect they've discovered before reporting it so that they can explain it in detail. It takes staggering levels of poor judgment, however, to repeatedly perform such 'tests' in highly populated outposts, and share that information with other players.
Mind, I don't doubt that many people did so in poor judgment rather than having malicious intent... It's just not necessarily as much of a defense as one might hope.
Tullzinski
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Because I shouldn't lose an account ive spent a lot of money on for doing it 3-4 times out of curiosity with no malicious intent to grief others. I was in kamadan at the bugs peak then found out what what causing it. Then Gaile goes on the support forums in a dire mood sending off the notion everyone involved will be permad...
How many bots run rampant through JQ that have ruined my game experience for months because Anet does nothing, how many times have syncers booted out a good random team in RA because they breached the EULA by using a glitch in Anets system. If they actually enforced their EULA then crap like this wouldn't happen. Its a joke is what it is. This bug was fixed within an hour and all it did was boot people off the game back to the character selection screen. You didn't even have to retype your login info. |
The screenshot I saw was just wrong, counting down to a disconnect while other ppl plead for him to stop deserves a permaban IMO and a good swift kick in the crotch. Seeing that ss and seeing someone with that exact same guild tag coming on here crying for no bans pisses me off. Still
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LicensedLuny
I'm sorry for any derailment this leads to, but I have to say it ...
ANet might, but I think it's NCSoft Support handing out the bans. The assertion you're making there about how severely they punish flagrant EULA violations is incorrect. In my experience, it can be dangerously incorrect.
Given what you "know" about what gets people banned, would you think that a player they had logs and proof to show intentionally defrauded another out of 175e by exploiting an aspect of the game where items have identical appearances in the trade window would cost the scammer permanent loss of his account? I always thought surely it would, having only heard about what gets other players permabanned. I figured that was plenty disincentive in place to trust someone was trading me the right thing. I was wrong. That guy (with that account) had not yet screwed enough other players out of enough pixels for them to permaban him for screwing me out of 175e recently. He got a temporary suspension thanks to my report, not a permanent termination. Here's a link to the trader's outpost thread I started if you want more details.
The tl;dr version is - DO NOT read threads like this or even posts from ANet staff celebrating all the recent bans of rule breakers and trust that there's any actual threat of permanent account loss as a disincentive against EULA violations. Such mistaken faith can cost you!
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Given what you "know" about what gets people banned, would you think that a player they had logs and proof to show intentionally defrauded another out of 175e by exploiting an aspect of the game where items have identical appearances in the trade window would cost the scammer permanent loss of his account? I always thought surely it would, having only heard about what gets other players permabanned. I figured that was plenty disincentive in place to trust someone was trading me the right thing. I was wrong. That guy (with that account) had not yet screwed enough other players out of enough pixels for them to permaban him for screwing me out of 175e recently. He got a temporary suspension thanks to my report, not a permanent termination. Here's a link to the trader's outpost thread I started if you want more details.
The tl;dr version is - DO NOT read threads like this or even posts from ANet staff celebrating all the recent bans of rule breakers and trust that there's any actual threat of permanent account loss as a disincentive against EULA violations. Such mistaken faith can cost you!
Spiritz
Swingline - way i see it is this
Bots regardless of how many times you report one and one gets banned there will always be another bot to replace it.No matter how hard anet tries botters usually are 1 step ahead.And im sure as hell surprised on internet how easy when visiting sites you get ads for gold services and more than often they use bots.
Now your side is a bit different - say your a lil teenager who on his pc manages to hack into stock exchange a few times and cause utter mayhem causing stocks to crash and money crisis.Do you think that if caught the authorites will say "naughty boy and dont do it again" ?
Say you were one of the victims of the other day and you lost stuff , maybe even managed to get a few titles then have them rolled back and removed - how would you feel towards the idiots who caused it ?
If it wouldnt matter to you ( obviously it does because a ban you have probs with ) then why not give everything on your account away - delete every chr and be left with squat.
Better still if someone hacked you bank account and took all your money ( i assume your over 16 and had money in there ) and then what - i bet you`d be crying out for justice.
Is there a difference to those scenarios ? NO , one saying springs to mind as suitable "If you do the crime YOU DO THE TIME "
Players usually want to have an enjoyable time in gw and having all the crap happen other day doesnt count as fun to many , wonder how many potential new gamers saw the problems and thought - gw must be like WoW , Full of little kids .
Being an ass doesnt give a gd image of what gw players are like - especially with what happened - i bet you had fun doing it several times but id bet the players who`s enjoyment you disrupted wasnt having fun and would have been rather mad.
As a parent and a player - im going to be enjoying the punishment ppl responsible will get as its well deserved and we`ll probably see your name on the usual - i got banned qq`s
Bots regardless of how many times you report one and one gets banned there will always be another bot to replace it.No matter how hard anet tries botters usually are 1 step ahead.And im sure as hell surprised on internet how easy when visiting sites you get ads for gold services and more than often they use bots.
Now your side is a bit different - say your a lil teenager who on his pc manages to hack into stock exchange a few times and cause utter mayhem causing stocks to crash and money crisis.Do you think that if caught the authorites will say "naughty boy and dont do it again" ?
Say you were one of the victims of the other day and you lost stuff , maybe even managed to get a few titles then have them rolled back and removed - how would you feel towards the idiots who caused it ?
If it wouldnt matter to you ( obviously it does because a ban you have probs with ) then why not give everything on your account away - delete every chr and be left with squat.
Better still if someone hacked you bank account and took all your money ( i assume your over 16 and had money in there ) and then what - i bet you`d be crying out for justice.
Is there a difference to those scenarios ? NO , one saying springs to mind as suitable "If you do the crime YOU DO THE TIME "
Players usually want to have an enjoyable time in gw and having all the crap happen other day doesnt count as fun to many , wonder how many potential new gamers saw the problems and thought - gw must be like WoW , Full of little kids .
Being an ass doesnt give a gd image of what gw players are like - especially with what happened - i bet you had fun doing it several times but id bet the players who`s enjoyment you disrupted wasnt having fun and would have been rather mad.
As a parent and a player - im going to be enjoying the punishment ppl responsible will get as its well deserved and we`ll probably see your name on the usual - i got banned qq`s
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Being an ass doesnt give a gd image of what gw players are like - especially with what happened - i bet you had fun doing it several times but id bet the players who`s enjoyment you disrupted wasnt having fun and would have been rather mad.
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To use your sentence again : Those guys( and they're many, probably only " PvP'ers "left) are not giving a good image of gw , and i didn't appreciate while they ruined my fun and my time and i rather got mad( and it's been the case for about a year now)
If i , once again, agree to say that manipulating the servor is something much bigger than syncing since it's controling the entire game, not wasting a hundred of players time, i still believe that this would never have happened if they did do more regarding to the /report system and to what is happening in the game..
Daesu
Wow, I didn't even know this happened. Luckily I was too busy vanquishing somewhere. 
Yes this is certainly an exploit and might have been used to dupe if it rolls back a character after passing the item to another character and have that character leave the area.
Yes this is certainly an exploit and might have been used to dupe if it rolls back a character after passing the item to another character and have that character leave the area.