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Dimmuborgir Satan

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13 May 2012 at 09:13 - 1

Hey... Im wondering, is it forbidden to buy some of those duped material/consumables/etc.?
Im a collector of nerfed items or bug items, and i'd basically want one of these because theyre kind of a piece of "bug history"

(I have a kind of museum^^)...
Are those duped material/items/etc. useable actually? or will merchants, weaponsmiths etc refuse if i want to use them if its not my name?

But if its forbidden i'd rather not look for some of these...
Dont want to be banned.

Mordiego

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13 May 2012 at 09:17 - 2

As long as your IGN is not after "This Item is Custimized For..." I think you can feel free to buy them. aNet bans for duping (if so) not for owing duped items.

Vilaptca

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13 May 2012 at 10:11 - 3

I would try to avoid it. I feel like in the past we have seen people being accidentally banned for owning duped items. But I could be thinking of something else.

SonicDeluxe

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13 May 2012 at 10:13 - 4

Trading with knowingly dupes items is a bannable offense, you are actively helping these people get plat/ectos so they can sell it after.

But I don't think you will be banned if you buy something like a customized sapphire, you will have to do it in stacks.
If you really buy something like that be sure to note the name of the player you bought it from so you can eventually report it to the support in case of a ban.

Gabs88

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13 May 2012 at 11:48 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimmuborgir Satan

But if its forbidden i'd rather not look for some of these...
Dont want to be banned.

If you buy high end miniatures or anything while knowing it's a duped item, you risk a ban. If you buy a cheap customized sapphire or similar, most likely not.

Will they be removed? I'd bet on it.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 12:23 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordiego

As long as your IGN is not after "This Item is Custimized For..." I think you can feel free to buy them. aNet bans for duping (if so) not for owing duped items.

I've been told otherwise. I wish they would release a statement and let us know.

Lordkrall

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13 May 2012 at 13:00 - 7

Of course it is forbidden to knowingly buy duped items. Just like in the real world.

drkn

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13 May 2012 at 13:16 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Of course it is forbidden to knowingly buy duped items. Just like in the real world.

I'm afraid that the real world is not the best comparison when it comes to duping stuff.

On topic, i wouldn't mind a collector of oddities if i was a developer, but you might expect those customised materials to be deleted without any notice.

Lordkrall

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13 May 2012 at 13:26 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkn

I'm afraid that the real world is not the best comparison when it comes to duping stuff.

On topic, i wouldn't mind a collector of oddities if i was a developer, but you might expect those customised materials to be deleted without any notice.

Duped stuff = gained from forbidden practices

Buying stuff you know are from forbidden practices = illegal.

Simple as that.

Swingline

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13 May 2012 at 14:24 - 10

This should be a no brainer.

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

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13 May 2012 at 14:43 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordiego

As long as your IGN is not after "This Item is Custimized For..." I think you can feel free to buy them. aNet bans for duping (if so) not for owing duped items.

Afraid this is wrong. Several years ago when there was a huge scandal involving people duping mini Mallyxs, ANet banned dupers as well as people who owned a duped Mallyx. It may have been only those who knowingly bought a duped Mallyx, but this would still be OP's case. OP is looking to intentionally buy a duped item.

However, I highly doubt they're going to single you out for owning one customized gem or weapon. You can probably get away with it, considering how short ANet are on staff working on GW1. But as stated above, be prepared for it to disappear without a warning.

Gabs88

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13 May 2012 at 14:50 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Afraid this is wrong. Several years ago when there was a huge scandal involving people duping mini Mallyxs, ANet banned dupers as well as people who owned a duped Mallyx. It may have been only those who knowingly bought a duped Mallyx, but this would still be OP's case. OP is looking to intentionally buy a duped item.

However, I highly doubt they're going to single you out for owning one customized gem or weapon. You can probably get away with it, considering how short ANet are on staff working on GW1. But as stated above, be prepared for it to disappear without a warning.

If they look at the trade and determine that you knew you were buying a duped item then you're definitely at risk. But it may just have been people getting reported as well though

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 15:05 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Of course it is forbidden to knowingly buy duped items. Just like in the real world.

But how does anet determine if you knowingly or unknowingly bought a duped item?

Gabs88

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13 May 2012 at 15:08 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACWhammy

But how does anet determine if you knowingly or unknowingly bought a duped item?

If you buy an unded Panda for 1k, you knew.

If you buy an unded Panda for ~500 Arms, normal price, you probably didn't know it was duped.

If you buy 250 sapphires for 1k each, you knew they were duped.

If you buy a sapphire for 7k, you probably didn't know.

More or less like this.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 15:13 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

If you buy an unded Panda for 1k, you knew.

If you buy an unded Panda for ~500 Arms, normal price, you probably didn't know it was duped.

If you buy 250 sapphires for 1k each, you knew they were duped.

If you buy a sapphire for 7k, you probably didn't know.

More or less like this.

I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense.

So what price is the cutoff point for me knowing? Does anet just pick an arbitrary number and say "Ok if someone pays xx amount of money they know it was duped"

That's just ridiculous. I've bought plenty of minis for way under market value over the past 4 years and they were not duped. If they were, I had no way of knowing.

Lordkrall

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13 May 2012 at 15:26 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACWhammy

But how does anet determine if you knowingly or unknowingly bought a duped item?

Quite simply. If you, as is discussed in this thread, buy material that is Customized you have clearly bought duped items.

If you bought dedicated high-end minuatures the last few days it is quite likely that they were duped. And so on.

When loads of armbraces and minis were duped a few years ago, they banned loads of account that had massive amounts of armbraces and said minis.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 15:40 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Quite simply. If you, as is discussed in this thread, buy material that is Customized you have clearly bought duped items.

This I understand.

Quote:

If you bought dedicated high-end minuatures the last few days it is quite likely that they were duped. And so on.

When loads of armbraces and minis were duped a few years ago, they banned loads of account that had massive amounts of armbraces and said minis.

This I don't. Whats considered high-end? Kanaxai, IG, Panda, Zhed? What about Ded Oni. is that considered high end? And what is the past couple days? From May 10th until now? May 9th, 8th?

My point is THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING. So people shouldn't be accused of buying duped items. If that's the case, Arenanet should just put a fereeze on all trading until the issue is resolved.

Lordkrall

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13 May 2012 at 15:45 - 18

High-end as in an extremely limited amount of them in-game. The last couple of days would probably be considered since the reports of duped started to drop in. So around the time of the birthday celebrations end.

Of course there are no real ways of knowing (as far as we know, ArenaNet might be able to actually find specific dupes if they had the man-power). But buying a high-end mini at a time like this is idiotic.
They have not really been sold for a long time, and suddently Kamadan is full of them.

Buying one there and then claiming you had no clue about it might be duped is rather naive.

MithranArkanere

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13 May 2012 at 16:00 - 19

It's all in the documents you have to read before you can start playing.

But worry not, you are not in risk for not reading them, just for not following what they say.
So it would be a good idea to read them anyways, they may have things you didn't know before.
Better safe than sorry, and reading more never hurts.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 16:10 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

High-end as in an extremely limited amount of them in-game. The last couple of days would probably be considered since the reports of duped started to drop in. So around the time of the birthday celebrations end.

Again your answer is very ambigous. "extremely limited" and "last couple days."

Quote:

Of course there are no real ways of knowing

Thank you for admitting this.

Quote:

(as far as we know, ArenaNet might be able to actually find specific dupes if they had the man-power). But buying a high-end mini at a time like this is idiotic.
They have not really been sold for a long time, and suddently Kamadan is full of them.

Buying one there and then claiming you had no clue about it might be duped is rather naive.

Ok so basically I'm supposed to stop buying minis because risk of account ban? This makes absolutely no sense. Arenanet has not even officially confirmed duping whatsoever. Although I agree that there is a strong case for it based on in-game observations. I just don't feel anyone should be accountable for buying minis that are "extremely rare" for the "last couple days" unless we get an official statment

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

It's all in the documents you have to read before you can start playing.

But worry not, you are not in risk for not reading them, just for not following what they say.
So it would be a good idea to read them anyways, they may have things you didn't know before.
Better safe than sorry, and reading more never hurts.

I have read the EULA before on more than one occasion and I don't see anything that applies directly to this situation. I agree that Arenanet may ban you for participating in a game exploit.

However, if you read above, I'm debating on the fact that many people may have unknowingly bought duplicated items. If someone started duplicating items, lets say a month ago, then it's quite possible that the whole population of guild wars that has made any trades for a commonly traded item such as ectos, armbraces, zkeys, platinum, HoM items, can be infected. Not all of these items will say customized as there are other ways of obtaining these items through duplication (i.e, flames of balthazar for zkeys, strongboxes for cons and minis, etc.)

drkn

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13 May 2012 at 16:20 - 21

I bought an unded Kuunavang for 20k once, back when they were ~60e each. I bought an unded Grawl for 7k once.
I just got lucky and was unscrupulous enough not to inform the seller of their real worth. This i admit. Have i even thought about the legality of the minis' source, aka were they duped or not? Of course not.

There's no way to determine if someone has bought that certain item knowingly taking part in a game exploit or not.

isamu kurosawa

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13 May 2012 at 16:48 - 22

I'd say making a thread on guru like this is a pretty definitive way of deciding if somebody knowingly bought a duped item.

Nekodesu

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13 May 2012 at 17:49 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

If you buy an unded Panda for 1k, you knew.

If you buy an unded Panda for ~500 Arms, normal price, you probably didn't know it was duped.

If you buy 250 sapphires for 1k each, you knew they were duped.

If you buy a sapphire for 7k, you probably didn't know.

More or less like this.

So basically, if you're a noob at this game and don't know prices or just are a noob and thought omg panda minipet what is it, let me buy! You're screwed.

Martin Alvito

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13 May 2012 at 17:58 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACWhammy

I've been told otherwise. I wish they would release a statement and let us know.

I believe that Gaile Gray is on the record as saying "use common sense" in these situations. Whatever that means.

I was able to turn this up from the January 2008 round of bannings (Ebony Citadel of Mallyx exploit):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Saying "They let such-and-such bug/glitch/exploit go, so they should just let everything go" has no foundation in logic...this is engaging in activities that can have long-ranging negative effect on the game economy.

That's about the most definitive thing I was able to find with a search. I'd read that to mean that they're going to go after the dupers but not the victims of ersatz trades...if not for the fact that I know they've swung the banhammer at the recipients of the ersatz goods in the past.

If you want a guess, anything that isn't obviously a dupe is here to stay. If it's a stack of customized sapphires, expect it to poof. With the fake minis, if they were non-obvious enough about dedicating them they'll probably hang around. (ie: if an account dedicated eight pandas, bet on those pandas going poof.) But that's just a guess.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 18:07 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

I believe that Gaile Gray is on the record as saying "use common sense" in these situations. Whatever that means.

I was able to turn this up from the January 2008 round of bannings (Ebony Citadel of Mallyx exploit):

That's about the most definitive thing I was able to find with a search. I'd read that to mean that they're going to go after the dupers but not the victims of ersatz trades...if not for the fact that I know they've swung the banhammer at the recipients of the ersatz goods in the past.

If you want a guess, anything that isn't obviously a dupe is here to stay. If it's a stack of customized sapphires, expect it to poof. With the fake minis, if they were non-obvious enough about dedicating them they'll probably hang around. (ie: if an account dedicated eight pandas, bet on those pandas going poof.) But that's just a guess.

This is a good response. Thanks for doing some research on official statements.

I think we should just play the game as "business as usual" as there is no sense in worrying about what could be duped or not.

Although it would be nice for Arenanet to address our concerns, but I see why they wouldn't because they don't want to officially admit there was a problem with an exploit in their game.

HigherMinion

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13 May 2012 at 19:06 - 26

Duping doesn't exist. It was all a ruse to lower prices.

Just throwing that one out there...

Gabs88

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13 May 2012 at 19:19 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nekodesu

So basically, if you're a noob at this game and don't know prices or just are a noob and thought omg panda minipet what is it, let me buy! You're screwed.

I think what Martin Alvito said applies here. So long as you use common sense the risk is relatively low.

There is a reason we know the duped items mostly went poof (exception of stacked items), it is because it was removed from peoples accounts and those people were not all banned. And the loss was enough punishment to those people

People who bought them at too good to be true prices got a ban along with the dupers on the other hand.

And remember, getting a ban doesn't mean its final. Just means you gotta fight them a bit, tell your side of the story.

Drk Dervish

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13 May 2012 at 19:47 - 28

yeah you probably dont get ban, but dont be surprise if one day you login and that dupe disappear from your storage. Then i guess you can cry about it to Anet about you lost xxx ecto, see if they care.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 20:07 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

People who bought them at too good to be true prices got a ban along with the dupers on the other hand.

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Source?

As stated previously, I've bought minis at great prices. Why am I not banned?

Gabs88

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13 May 2012 at 20:13 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACWhammy

Source?

As stated previously, I've bought minis at great prices. Why am I not banned?

They did it like this on the last duping Banwave.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 20:29 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

They did it like this on the last duping Banwave.

Again. Source?

Gabs88

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13 May 2012 at 20:58 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACWhammy

Again. Source?

Myself.

I was there, followed the news and the discussion, kept up to date on information as it came out.

Don't like it? Not my problem.

ACWhammy

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13 May 2012 at 20:59 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

Myself.

I was there, followed the news and the discussion, kept up to date on information as it came out.

Don't like it? Not my problem.

It's not that I don't like it. It's just that I don't believe a silly little thing like buying anything at "great prices" can get someone banned.

eKto

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13 May 2012 at 22:08 - 34

is duping fixed now?..

(13/05/2012 21:35:29) --- : Wts DeD Panda c/o 230a b/o offe.
(13/05/2012 21:08:16) --- : WTS Ded Panda 400a OBO c/o 220a..
(13/05/2012 20:57:44) -- : Wts DeD Panda c/o 225a b/o offe.
(13/05/2012 20:57:10) ---- : WTS Ded Panda 400a OBO c/o 220a
(13/05/2012 19:28:35) ---- : Wts DeD Panda c/o 220a b/o 300a
(13/05/2012 18:40:08) ---- : ___ WTS ded PANDA pm offer ___
(13/05/2012 17:24:54) ---- : Wts DeD Panda c/o 250a b/o offe,
(13/05/2012 14:45:53) ---- : WTS unded Shiroken c/o 55a! ded Panda c/o 270a!
(13/05/2012 10:39:38) ---- : Wts DeD Panda Bear c/o 200a b/o 350a/offe.
(13/05/2012 10:23:01) --- : WTS ded Panda c/o 270a.
(13/05/2012 10:02:49) ---- : Wts DeD Panda Bear C/o 175a pm me
(13/05/2012 01:07:53) ---- : WTS ded Panda 450a, WTB Zkeys f
(12/05/2012 20:37:52) ---- : WTS DeD Panda c/o 200a|El Reindeer c/o 300a [Only Arms] ||| WTB Lockpicks 80=14e (20x)
(12/05/2012 05:58:54) ----- : __ WTS ded PANDA pm Offer __

ok nvm looks like not even one duped pet got banned/removed n1

Craven Skulk

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13 May 2012 at 22:19 - 35

Well lets bring some light in the darkness here. If you buy a duped item, eG armbrace in 2007, for its normal price, so it would not hurt economy, you ARE allowed to keep it. Anet banned no1 who did this in 2007. IF you buy duped things on mass for ridicoulous prices you will be banned because you can be sure they are duped and youll be banned for hurting economy, and so will the duper be banned.

Greetings, Craven

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Shirokens drop from 7th Year Gifts btw, Pandas may be duped. But i guess these guys just trolled around.

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Or it was Fereos. Dunno.

eKto

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13 May 2012 at 22:50 - 36

no every panda was real.
today i saw 8 pandas in kama moving around at the same time...so sad

Craven Skulk

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13 May 2012 at 23:31 - 37

Could be a dupe or Not, doesnt matter, exploit killed prices again, a pitty, but move on.

Martin Alvito

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13 May 2012 at 23:52 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by HigherMinion

Duping doesn't exist. It was all a ruse to lower prices.

Just throwing that one out there...

So ANet's in on the ruse, since they suddenly took the game offline for 'unscheduled maintenance' to fix a 'crash bug'? Which they never do, I might add.

Sorry, not buying. The screenshot of the customized sapphires, plus the sudden influx of dedicated Pandas, plus the guy with eight Pandas dedicated to HoM, plus ANet's behavior are sufficient evidence to conclude that there was a dupe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craven Skulk

Well lets bring some light in the darkness here. If you buy a duped item, eG armbrace in 2007, for its normal price, so it would not hurt economy, you ARE allowed to keep it. Anet banned no1 who did this in 2007. IF you buy duped things on mass for ridicoulous prices you will be banned because you can be sure they are duped and youll be banned for hurting economy, and so will the duper be banned.

That's more or less how it went down in 2007. People that took back a bunch of duped items got drilled and were pretty vocal about it. I can't speak to whether or not they stayed banned forever or not, but quite a few people that didn't dupe did get permabanned.

Whether or not such 'false positives' are going to be more or less likely with the current skeletal support staff is anyone's guess.

HigherMinion

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14 May 2012 at 00:29 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

So ANet's in on the ruse, since they suddenly took the game offline for 'unscheduled maintenance' to fix a 'crash bug'? Which they never do, I might add.

Sorry, not buying. The screenshot of the customized sapphires

Link to screenshot?

Showtime

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14 May 2012 at 00:32 - 40

DO IT! on an altcount and let us know how that goes for you.