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Shpongle

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2012

Shpongholia

DMT

W/

15 May 2012 at 15:17 - 1

this is what i wrote to Arena:

Quote:

''I just found this out today:

read both topics thorougly, there are also screenshots provided in both topics
the economy is going to go down the drain again if you dont fixthis in the next 24 hours....people are getting wind of it''

this is the answer I got:

Quote:

'' We appreciate you taking the time to submit your report. The Live Team is aware of the issue you described, but we do not have a specific time frame for a fix to this issue. You can check hxxp://www.guildwars.com/support/gameupdates/ to see the latest game updates, and see when this issue is addressed.

Thank you for your help in making Guild Wars a great game!

Regards,
GM Shezmu
The Guild Wars Support Team
hxxp://www.guildwars.com - hxxp://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki
hxxp://www.guildwars2.com - hxxp://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki''

The Truth: GW1 will die, they dont care about it, if it wont die it will be ruined, they want people to stop playing, they dont care about it anymore...

Instructions: Uninstal Guild Wars.

Frangeo Munda

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Granitic crust

Killer Green Buddah

Mo/

15 May 2012 at 15:41 - 2

Also truth: The world is ending, we're all going to die, ohnoes!
Translation: big money glitches have happened before, and while it does screw up the economy for a bit, it eventually resets. So you wont be able to get rare minis or vabbian armor for a while. Big deal.

Shpongle

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2012

Shpongholia

DMT

W/

15 May 2012 at 15:54 - 3

does noone care that theres about 20 people in gw who duplicate stacks of ectos, armbraces, zaishen keys, miniatures etc but sell it very carefully so no one gets wind of it ? its not fair to the rest of us that get z-keys and ectos fair and square...

either everyone should duplicate, or noone should....

me personally I'd love to dupe 20.000 z-keys to get zaishen rank 12...because that title is absolutely rdiciolous

Tar Ionwe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

Cantha

W/E

15 May 2012 at 16:00 - 4

My care is between non-existent and zero. I'm pretty sure the time before this last duping was much worse and guess what? We all lived through it and are still playing the game today.

Hats off to Anet for fixing the last dupe as quick as they did, it could have turned out much worse. And from the reply they gave you it appears they were already working on the problem before you even sent them the message so I don't see how they "don't care" at all.

Gabriel of Ravn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Virginia

None, retired to GW2.

W/A

15 May 2012 at 16:42 - 5

Support honestly can't be bothered with issuing bans right now apparently. The same user OP posted about runs bots all the time and said they have been reported plenty but nothing ever happens to the accounts.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

15 May 2012 at 16:58 - 6

What do you think? ANet is not even sparing the manpower to update the weekly event notice at this point in time!

It seems that getting GW2 out the door asap is their number one priority right now and it is taking up almost all their resources. Hackers are smart, they know when to strike.

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

15 May 2012 at 17:01 - 7

Give the anet staff a break - do you think they can magically find out whats been doing what , do they get instant results ?
Oh yes they could charge in , ban ppl and then what ?
They wont know how the exploit was done and that means being unable to stop it happening again.
As soon as they know the where and hows then they can do the fixing and do the banning ( cry havoc and let slip the dhuum ).

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

15 May 2012 at 17:05 - 8

Personnaly, i'm not caring that much, but i do because they did care to remove hero battles and team arenas in the past..
I'm pretty sure many others do care about it because of other problems that happened( not same reasons as mine of course..)

Baretata

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

somewhere

A/Me

15 May 2012 at 19:29 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shpongle

The Truth: GW1 will die, they dont care about it, if it wont die it will be ruined, they want people to stop playing, they dont care about it anymore...

Unfortunattely you're right... this whole duping/7th year abomination b-day presents thing is a futile attempt from Anet/NCsoft to make their most dedicated fans let go of GW1 and force them into purchasing their failed GW2. This of course will -not- happen and it -will- backfire. NCsoft really, truly sucks at marketing/community relations is all I'm gonna say lol... I mean seriously what idiot would EVER do the same mistake twice and invest so much time and effort into acquiring rare items just so the next day someone will hack their account because NCsoft had a security breach or dupe rare items roaming around for weeks/months unpunished or wait how about just hand out those items to just about every lazyass brat out there that ever played the game and have a nice communist i-community! YAY

Added to this NCsoft has THE worst support I've ever encountered in an on-line game. They don't give a damn about their customers, they're usually totally unprofessional and 95% of the time give you an auto-reply...
Not only that but GW1 actually got better graphics than GW2 except for skill animations+ a better gameplay in general... All I know is I'll never ever purchase another NCsoft product ever again after all this shit that's been going on!

Thot

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2011

P/

15 May 2012 at 19:37 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baretata

Unfortunattely you're right... this whole duping/7th year abomination b-day presents thing is a futile attempt from Anet/NCsoft to make their most dedicated fans let go of GW1 and force them into purchasing their failed GW2. This of course will -not- happen and it -will- backfire. NCsoft really, truly sucks at marketing/community relations is all I'm gonna say lol... I mean seriously what idiot would EVER do the same mistake twice and invest so much time and effort into acquiring rare items just so the next day someone will hack their account because NCsoft had a security breach or dupe rare items roaming around for weeks/months unpunished or wait how about just hand out those items to just about every lazyass brat out there that ever played the game and have a nice communist i-community! YAY

Added to this NCsoft has THE worst support I've ever encountered in an on-line game. They don't give a damn about their customers, they're usually totally unprofessional and 95% of the time give you an auto-reply...
Not only that but GW1 actually got better graphics than GW2+ a better gameplay in general... All I know is I'll never ever purchase another NCsoft product ever again after all this shit that's been going on!

waow, looks like this guy has a shiroken stuck in his throat lol

Baretata

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

somewhere

A/Me

15 May 2012 at 19:43 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thot

waow, looks like this guy has a shiroken stuck in his throat lol

wow looks like one of the 'lazyass brats' that are only good for farming Charr outside Ascalon and is hoping to get a leet item for cheap(which'll btw never happen) got mad

Sry dude life sucks for you even under current market conditions and even considering you and your kind are just the type of people NCsoft/Anet chose over their most loyal customers

I know there's more of you out there so keep it comin lol

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

15 May 2012 at 19:59 - 12

How can anyone follow that logic?
"ArenaNet "destroys" the game in order for people to buy GW2!!!"

If ArenaNet knowingly destroyed the game, do you really think people would go and buy GW2? Seriously?

thedukesd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

15 May 2012 at 20:43 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

How can anyone follow that logic?
"ArenaNet "destroys" the game in order for people to buy GW2!!!"

If ArenaNet knowingly destroyed the game, do you really think people would go and buy GW2? Seriously?

I can expain parts of how you can think that destroying one game will make people buy another game. People got used to play a game, but that game becomes unplayable (cause it's full with bots, it's unbalanced, noone updates the weekend events, one class can barely play 2-3 decent builds using his own skills and similar) so those people will look for another game (maybe it's gw2). Also maybe they don't want to keep the servers running and if they don't have players anymore there is no reason to keep the servers running.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

15 May 2012 at 20:50 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedukesd

I can expain parts of how you can think that destroying one game will make people buy another game. People got used to play a game, but that game becomes unplayable (cause it's full with bots, it's unbalanced, noone updates the weekend events, one class can barely play 2-3 decent builds using his own skills and similar) so those people will look another game (maybe it's gw2). Also maybe they don't want to keep the server running and if they don't have players anymore there is no reason to keep the servers running.

Well, if I knew a company was knowingly destroying their game as sure as hell wouldn't buy another game from them.

Baretata

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

somewhere

A/Me

15 May 2012 at 21:04 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Well, if I knew a company was knowingly destroying their game as sure as hell wouldn't buy another game from them.

Unfortunattely we've already found one bro... it's NCsoft/Anet

Such a shame some of us wasted 7 years being their loyal customers

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

15 May 2012 at 21:10 - 16

And yet you are still here whining. If ArenaNet sucks so bad, why are you still here?

I have played for over 6 years and I will keep playing as long as the servers are up, and I have already bought GW2 and will play that aswell

ultimak719

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2011

Maryland

Gods of Legendary Destroyers [GOLD]

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15 May 2012 at 21:23 - 17

I would like to point out that the people at arenanet are people. There is absolutely no way that they could respond to every problem in a seven year old game (a remarkably long time for a mmorpg) when they currently have larger problems (server stability, bug fixes, the last 2 races) to work out in their next.

In addition, I have no idea how Arenanet gets money. They get it from sales and in-game purchases, but 7 years into a game, these have to have slowed down considerably. So, why waste time and resources on a money drain when they have their next big game literally months away from rolling down the hatch?

Now, I certainly do look forward to their duping fixes and am hoping for a solution to the botting problem, but, in my opinion, those can wait. I'm sorry if all your stockpiled ectos lost their worth in the past few weeks, but, newsflash. They have no real worth in life. The only worth any game has is for diversion. If you can't have fun then don't complain on a site where people still enjoy the game. Just stop playing. Thank you.

Motoko

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Dallas, Texas

Zero Quality [zQ] /[LaG]/[USA]/[iQ]

A/E

15 May 2012 at 21:27 - 18

I am waiting for someone to take every great Guild Wars concept, both flaw and perfection and recreating it into a game void of all the pitfalls ANet managed to conjure up that killed it.

I'll be honest, if I had quite a ton of money to toss around I would throw it at this game for prize money and GWWC's just because I do love this game to that extent.

*sigh*

Brega

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Hidden Nexus [ESP]

15 May 2012 at 21:34 - 19

Just because you demand immediate fixes and personalized responses, and don't get them doesn't mean that anet doesn't care, nor does that imply they are doing nothing to fix the duping issue. during and after the last duping scandal we got little to no information from anet, and I don't expect this time to be any different. Perhaps you should try and be patient, instead of adding more doom and gloom to the situation.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

15 May 2012 at 21:39 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimak719

So, why waste time and resources on a money drain when they have their next big game literally months away from rolling down the hatch?

Because how well they maintain their current (and only released) game will reflect on how well they will maintain GW2.

It also reflects on how much they deem current customer loyalty/relationship to be versus, how greedy they are for upcoming GW2 income.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Well, if I knew a company was knowingly destroying their game as sure as hell wouldn't buy another game from them.

It is not that ANet is purposefully trying to destroy GW1, it is just that GW1 stuff has been deprioritized into oblivion in the light of GW2 release.

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

15 May 2012 at 21:46 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko

I am waiting for someone to take every great Guild Wars concept, both flaw and perfection and recreating it into a game void of all the pitfalls ANet managed to conjure up that killed it.

I'd buy it on description alone.

thedukesd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

15 May 2012 at 21:58 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Well, if I knew a company was knowingly destroying their game as sure as hell wouldn't buy another game from them.

Only thing I can say is that I played another game that was basicaly a bad joke (we are talking about 95+% of the players being cheaters, 0 customer support cause autoanswers that had nothing to do with your problems is 0 customer support, random bans (so the gm can say that they banned some "cheaters" when asked why they are not doing something with the cheaters), game full with bugs, to make it even worst there was no way to do quests without other humans in party and I can continue this way) and the funny part is that their servers during daytime were almost full. Based on that experience I kinda believe that it doesn't matter what it happens with a game cause there will still be players.
Maybe you will not buy but you have no control on what others will do. You can tell someone that a game is a total fail but that will not stop him to buy it.

Regarding why I'm still here, to be honest I don't really play gw, not much left to do and what's left it's boring so boring that I will probably never do it.

Dupe is bad for a game, dispate the fact that such things wouldn't had affected me when i was extremely active. Most of the things I farmed myself and last time i was active I was selling z-keys cause i wanted plats to max lucky title.

Baretata

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

somewhere

A/Me

15 May 2012 at 22:04 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko

I am waiting for someone to take every great Guild Wars concept, both flaw and perfection and recreating it into a game void of all the pitfalls ANet managed to conjure up that killed it.

Same here! Both me and my gf will be pre-perchasing that game

I mean the game designers did such a great job with GW1 graphics and even gameplay to some extent then the people who are in charge of in-game policies and community relations just came around and almost destroyed it all

Now we're left with a game full of dupers, botters, scammers and angry sad noobs who're hating on anyone that actually put some effort into acquiring rare goodies out of pure jealousy and spite

Plutoman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2010

E/

15 May 2012 at 23:04 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baretata

Unfortunattely you're right... this whole duping/7th year abomination b-day presents thing is a futile attempt from Anet/NCsoft to make their most dedicated fans let go of GW1 and force them into purchasing their failed GW2. This of course will -not- happen and it -will- backfire. NCsoft really, truly sucks at marketing/community relations is all I'm gonna say lol... I mean seriously what idiot would EVER do the same mistake twice and invest so much time and effort into acquiring rare items just so the next day someone will hack their account because NCsoft had a security breach or dupe rare items roaming around for weeks/months unpunished or wait how about just hand out those items to just about every lazyass brat out there that ever played the game and have a nice communist i-community! YAY

Added to this NCsoft has THE worst support I've ever encountered in an on-line game. They don't give a damn about their customers, they're usually totally unprofessional and 95% of the time give you an auto-reply...
Not only that but GW1 actually got better graphics than GW2 except for skill animations+ a better gameplay in general... All I know is I'll never ever purchase another NCsoft product ever again after all this shit that's been going on!

Man, that was a great troll. I laughed, honestly laughed. I thought you were serious for a little bit. +1 for the troll though.

@OP - They'll fix it as they can. It may not exactly be an 'easy' fix. Just because they know where the bug is (and having screens of how the bug works doesn't necessarily mean knowing where in the code the bug is), doesn't mean they have an adequate fix. Especially a fix that could very easily break other parts of the game.

And especially when a large part of the dev team isn't working on the game. I mean, what do you expect? Is TES4: Oblivion still getting patches? That was a $60 game, and DLC's made it just as much as Guild Wars. Mass Effect 1 and 2, most probably 3, too. The countless bugs that remain in those games.. I'm very much of the opinion that people have unreasonable expectations. I've also found support to be excellent whenever I needed to contact them.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

15 May 2012 at 23:29 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plutoman

I've also found support to be excellent whenever I needed to contact them.

No I think their priorities have been changed recently to be centered around GW2 rather than GW1 and this is still a GW1 forum that you are addressing.

AmoebaInfectionTechnique

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

15 May 2012 at 23:31 - 26

Where's the instructions? The title is misleading.

The only way to demand an urgent fix if the dupe method is abused like crazy or is known publicly.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

15 May 2012 at 23:44 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmoebaInfectionTechnique

The only way to demand an urgent fix if the dupe method is abused like crazy or is known publicly.

Yes this has been done before. One way to try and force ANet's hand is to find out the dupe method and publicize it. Disclaimer: I am not recommending anyone to do that, just saying that this has been done before.

Wenspire

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2008

USA - W.Coast

HiME

Mo/

16 May 2012 at 00:30 - 28

I am hoping for a last minute (pre-GW2 release) mass-account ban so that people get shafted by not getting to link their account to GW2. heh

Oni-Claire

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Italy

Demoni Creatori ONI

W/

16 May 2012 at 01:36 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

Yes this has been done before. One way to try and force ANet's hand is to find out the dupe method and publicize it. Disclaimer: I am not recommending anyone to do that, just saying that this has been done before.

finding and reporting to anet maybe better than publicize it? -_-

AmoebaInfectionTechnique

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

16 May 2012 at 02:11 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oni-Claire

finding and reporting to anet maybe better than publicize it? -_-

You want to make it urgent so you have to create a scenario that is so alarming.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

16 May 2012 at 03:15 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shpongle

does noone care that theres about 20 people in gw who duplicate stacks of ectos, armbraces, zaishen keys, miniatures etc but sell it very carefully so no one gets wind of it ? its not fair to the rest of us that get z-keys and ectos fair and square...

either everyone should duplicate, or noone should....

me personally I'd love to dupe 20.000 z-keys to get zaishen rank 12...because that title is absolutely rdiciolous

No, not really. It doesn't impact my enjoyment of the game much, and the only aesthetic rewards I care about (titles and HoM stuff transferring to GW2) are completed and don't require duping to get anyway. Don't get me wrong, I want this fixed too, but it absolutely does not directly impact my enjoyment of the game, and as such I wouldn't think to uninstall over it.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

16 May 2012 at 03:54 - 32

Anet support seems to live by the "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy. What's better is that topics concerning "illegal" activities are routinely pruned from fansites, such that in most cases the problem manages to be invisible to the masses. In many cases Anet will just ignore such problems and pretend that they don't exist. They did this for a long time with the champ point syncing groups, mesmer PvP bots, well really every type of bot, and duping the first time it came around.

In all of these cases support doesn't seem to respond or gives an automated response. It isn't until the problems become widespread or repeated spamming of threads that the populace gets wind of something and only then does Anet seem to address it.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

16 May 2012 at 04:06 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oni-Claire

finding and reporting to anet maybe better than publicize it? -_-

This has happened many times with other companies. If you find a security hole in one of their products and report it to them, they usually delay and take a long time to fix it because they "think" that the situation is still under control as not many people know about it, even though they have the full technical details to work on a fix right away. Sometimes even taking years to address it. It has always been more expensive for companies to fight immediate fires than to put issues off to be looked at in the future.

However, when the exploit is publicized, is when they would actually assign proper attention to it and fix it asap.

So ANet may not be addressing this right away because not many people know how to exploit it yet, so it is still under control at this point in time. If the exact method is publicized then they would have to scramble to fix this asap.

There are many historical examples of discovered software exploits that show this pattern.

Disclaimer: Again, I am not recommending anyone to do this. I am just quoting historical facts of how some companies tend react to software exploits discovered in one of their products.

godis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

LOVE

N/Me

16 May 2012 at 05:55 - 34

Doesn't affect my gameplay experience so who cares.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

16 May 2012 at 06:56 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

So ANet may not be addressing this right away because not many people know how to exploit it yet, so it is still under control at this point in time. If the exact method is publicized then they would have to scramble to fix this asap.

Or maybe they are? But are not running around shouting about it? Do we even know if the duping is still possible? Do we know that the patch about the "crash bug" did not stop it?

Just because you do not know about it does not mean they aren't working.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

16 May 2012 at 10:11 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oni-Claire

finding and reporting to anet maybe better than publicize it? -_-

Ideally, you report it to anet and give them deadline after which you will publicize it and make exploit tool available to public.

That is pretty much only responsible thing you can do: Force them to solve it, but give them ability to do it quietly before it becomes very visible issue.

Nabru Yar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

E/

16 May 2012 at 11:36 - 37

obviously the focus is on GW2; GW1 is on its own.

/sigh

Kada

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2011

Reykjavik, IS

[Hero]

R/Rt

16 May 2012 at 11:56 - 38

I love how all the armchair coders here are carrying on about this as though ANet employees should be able to snap their fingers and implement a fix; do you live in the real world? Hunting down the parts of the code that cause these bugs and attempting to fix them in a way that won't cause more bugs or severely break pre-existing gameplay isn't a 5 minute thing...IT TAKES TIME.

For all you know, they have people working on it for their full shifts and have ever since this was alerted to them on the weekend - it may just be a more difficult thing to fix than you realise. Then there's the fact that once it has been fixed, they need to go and code a report to pick up each character / account that was interacting with these particular parts of the code in a specific way or owns the items that are ill-gotten gains from this code and have meetings to determine if it's going to be a no-questions-asked dhuuming or if they're going to cut people that unconsciously bought duped items a break and not ban them, then figuring out how to distinguish those people from the conscious abusers.

Grow Up.

drkn

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2009

Wroc??aw, Poland

Midnight Mayhem

Me/

16 May 2012 at 12:22 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by godis

Doesn't affect my gameplay experience so who cares.

Well, apparently people of Europe and NA - at least most of them - are not affected by military conflicts in the Middle East; they're not affected by the Korean tension, and great many other things.
Things that people still care about, for various reasons. And still are affected by, even if unknowingly.

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

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16 May 2012 at 13:16 - 40

If anyone with knowledge about this new duping process then please tell Anet about it, they simply may not know where the problem is. Gw2 is probably keeping them from being able to work on it or even find it to begin with.