OK folks, think about this one very carefully.
A few years back it was stated that the servers will be supported as long as there is interest for playing... understand that the decision is NOT in the hands of ANET employee's, but in the final decision coming from NC Soft's office. By now everyone knows they have a reputation for pulling support to any game that doesn't bring a profit. Once GW2 is out, it's only a matter of time before they decide if the current game gets the axe and everything you invested, payed for, built up over the course of 7 years will be erased!
I bring this up to you guys because it's a concern if you want to keep your items, your pets, or just generally want to go back to playing the game again. You have to tell the higher ups that you want this game to be preserved in some form, whether it be a full single player game download, or supported for private servers with friends to party up with.
You want to keep GW? ....or do you want to be like the rest of the consumer *****s who don't care about anything but the slab of meat that's laid in front of them? Discuss.
Digital preservation for GW1
headlesshobbs
Alvarez
So you plan on playing Guild Wars for another X amount of years? Why? I couldn't care less if all my stuff and characters were wiped 2 years from now if the servers were shut down. Old game is old. Move on.
Lexandros
Let the "elite" leave. The new players shall inherit the world of Tyria and the economy will be stabilized. 
On the thought of still playing it, many people (myself included) love old games like Starcraft, Doom, Wolfenstein 3d, Age of Empires, Warcraft. I see no reason for it to just die off.
On the thought of still playing it, many people (myself included) love old games like Starcraft, Doom, Wolfenstein 3d, Age of Empires, Warcraft. I see no reason for it to just die off.
Horus Moonlight
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and everything you invested, payed for, built up over the course of 7 years will be erased!
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When it is decided by the "powers-that-be" that GW has run its course, I'll gladly give it up; I have enjoyed my time here but I also realize there are many other games available that I can enjoy and that a company can't bleed money just to satisfy the deluded sense of entitlement some players have.
Olle
The economy is going to crash since most of the people that is staying isnt going to farm uw 24/7 for ectos
nor anyone farming those highend chests.
nor anyone farming those highend chests.
LocoStar
So how can You imagine that? You wanna keep GW alive forever to show Your grandchildren Your GW account and open with them Your 54th birthday (gw char of course, not yours 54th birthaday), presents, complaining You get Mini Koss instead of rare Asian Minis?
Its the fate of all games - to get closed, wiped and forgotten.
Its the fate of all games - to get closed, wiped and forgotten.
Mintha Syl
Catastrophist. Or however you call that.
I don't think they'll be shutting it so soon. What games did NC close? They even made L2 and Aion free to play and l2 is still being a great success after all those years...they might as well adopt the same model for gw, even if it never had subs to begin with, they can always keep it alive with all those stupid micro transations like they did with those two games.
And we really don't know what will happen anyway, but it's not gonna close so soon for sure (not before a few years, after which I hope they give us char data so we can keep it as offline game, rather tha losing everything forever).
I don't think they'll be shutting it so soon. What games did NC close? They even made L2 and Aion free to play and l2 is still being a great success after all those years...they might as well adopt the same model for gw, even if it never had subs to begin with, they can always keep it alive with all those stupid micro transations like they did with those two games.
And we really don't know what will happen anyway, but it's not gonna close so soon for sure (not before a few years, after which I hope they give us char data so we can keep it as offline game, rather tha losing everything forever).
Sagittario
Play to have fun, to make new friends, to escape from real life for a short while.
And GW won't die after its shut down, GW2 players will always remember the original GW - always.
If you want to make something that will remain for years, stop gaming and start living.
This is just a game, have fun, enjoy, move on.
And GW won't die after its shut down, GW2 players will always remember the original GW - always.
If you want to make something that will remain for years, stop gaming and start living.
This is just a game, have fun, enjoy, move on.
keli
Just keep buying cash shop items and everything will be fine ^^
loopysnoopy
Along as the HoM calculator is linked to guild wars and guild wars 2, Guild Wars will be still around.
Regardless of this the player base wont suffer much I'd imagine servers getting reduced as most will hop over to GW2 but don't forget they're still selling this game and if I was a new player who bought it to find that after 2years the games gone bye bye I'd be very very annoyed.
This game has so much to offer still; I've been playing since 06 and I still find new stuff to do
Regardless of this the player base wont suffer much I'd imagine servers getting reduced as most will hop over to GW2 but don't forget they're still selling this game and if I was a new player who bought it to find that after 2years the games gone bye bye I'd be very very annoyed.
This game has so much to offer still; I've been playing since 06 and I still find new stuff to do
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So you plan on playing Guild Wars for another X amount of years? Why? I couldn't care less if all my stuff and characters were wiped 2 years from now if the servers were shut down. Old game is old. Move on.
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Baretata
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Tell that to a very active Diablo II player base. If all Diablo II servers were shut down and all characters and items deleted overnight, people would not be best pleased...
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Yes absolutely. There's alot of people out there still playing Diablo II including my gf
Blizzard is a serious company and that's the reason why we're now buying Diablo III along with millions of others. As for our beloved GW1 well the game still sells, it's a fact. GW1 is -the- most beautiful MMOrpg out there even today. Not to mention it's got one of the most epic soundtracks ever
Fay Vert
Wow, so many negative responses.
Take a look at the game market these days. It is FULL of retro, reports, remakes of classic games. When it comes to classic games GW is certain to be a king amongst them. Take a look at long since dead games like DAoC, there are plenty of people stiull playing this on private shards. To be sure, in 10 years time there are going to be a lot of peopole still wanting to play GW. Especially given that there are many undesirable aspects to GW2 that wont serve the current player base.
So yes, I would welcome any activity/plan to preserve this phenobminal game in some form for a very long time to come. Even if it's just lights-on with no support.
As for economy, that died the day of the loot nerf, you can remove trading from the game completely and I wouldn't care
Take a look at the game market these days. It is FULL of retro, reports, remakes of classic games. When it comes to classic games GW is certain to be a king amongst them. Take a look at long since dead games like DAoC, there are plenty of people stiull playing this on private shards. To be sure, in 10 years time there are going to be a lot of peopole still wanting to play GW. Especially given that there are many undesirable aspects to GW2 that wont serve the current player base.
So yes, I would welcome any activity/plan to preserve this phenobminal game in some form for a very long time to come. Even if it's just lights-on with no support.
As for economy, that died the day of the loot nerf, you can remove trading from the game completely and I wouldn't care
GhostKairi
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...As for economy, that died the day of the loot nerf, you can remove trading from the game completely and I wouldn't care
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Missing HB
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Its the fate of all games - to get closed, wiped and forgotten.
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At least, having some track of your old achievements ( not necessarly from Gw2 HoM) could be nice, if it's from an application or anything..
I remember they said they would freeze hero battles ladder to keep track, and it's today completly deleted... too bad
EPO Bot
This reminds me of the time when i saw Tabula Rasa for sale in a megastore at full price...two months after it died.
But on topic: I don't think your favorite toon will pop out of existence for at least ten more years. It would be a huge bummer if it happened tough since my monklette has twelve sets of elite armor, a heavy pack filled with staves (including an envoy staff wich she pugged for relentlessly) the mandatory GWAMM and thousands of hours playtime.
But on topic: I don't think your favorite toon will pop out of existence for at least ten more years. It would be a huge bummer if it happened tough since my monklette has twelve sets of elite armor, a heavy pack filled with staves (including an envoy staff wich she pugged for relentlessly) the mandatory GWAMM and thousands of hours playtime.
esthetic
Sad but true eventually GW1 will die off like everything else. In the next year or five that is the question.
I am wondering what affect the success or the lack thereof of GW2 will impact GW1 servers.
I am wondering what affect the success or the lack thereof of GW2 will impact GW1 servers.
Improvavel
If Anet shut downs GW it would be nice to have a single player/LAN patch since GW is more of a squad based CORPG/single player than a MMORPG.
Although I don't see GW being shut in the near future.
Although I don't see GW being shut in the near future.
Spiritz
I thin the op doesnt realise that many of the players who buy gw2 may also buy gw1 so they can get a feel of the original.
I can think of quite a few games over the last 20-30 years which players have got due to nostalgia , Duke nukem ,doom , burnout etc.
Diable 2 had players buying diablo for that reason and you may even find that after a yr of gw2 anet/ncsoft may release a pack of say all the parts for gw1 for 10 bucks - or they may even release a special pack with gw1 and gw2 together.
I do doubt after a year gw1 will be shut down
I can think of quite a few games over the last 20-30 years which players have got due to nostalgia , Duke nukem ,doom , burnout etc.
Diable 2 had players buying diablo for that reason and you may even find that after a yr of gw2 anet/ncsoft may release a pack of say all the parts for gw1 for 10 bucks - or they may even release a special pack with gw1 and gw2 together.
I do doubt after a year gw1 will be shut down
Lasai
Everquest, with its dated graphics, engine, and limited support is coming on to 13 years. People left EQ2 to play it. They are actually supporting it better now than a few years back.
GW is better. Good game is good. I think this game is far from dead, and will revitalize as players abandon shiny particle effects for good, solid mechanics and playability on a variety of machines.
GW is better. Good game is good. I think this game is far from dead, and will revitalize as players abandon shiny particle effects for good, solid mechanics and playability on a variety of machines.
Captain Bulldozer
I also would like to think that the GW servers will be around for some time to come. Still, its likely that eventually (whether its a year or 10 years from now) NCSoft will pull the plug. When that happens we may nto even notice, or we may all lament, hard to say. Either way, I'm definitely in favor of the release of either a downloadable patch to p[lay it in single player only mode or of a server patch for people to set up and maintain their own servers. Generally speaking, when you buy a game you don't actually legally own it, you just have a license to use the game. Since there is no time period specified in the GW license, one could (at least try to anyway) make the argument that the license should exist as long as you have desire to play the game.
Most of the time when it doesn't work that way, its because no one really challenges the publisher to live up to the original licensing agreement.
Most of the time when it doesn't work that way, its because no one really challenges the publisher to live up to the original licensing agreement.
Improvavel
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Everquest, with its dated graphics, engine, and limited support is coming on to 13 years. People left EQ2 to play it. They are actually supporting it better now than a few years back.
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gremlin
While I like GW2 and feel it will improve over time to become something equally special, gw1 remaining as a playable game would be good too.
I wouldnt want it as an offline game but as long as it stays and events are held I will keep playing but only occasionally.
I wouldnt want it as an offline game but as long as it stays and events are held I will keep playing but only occasionally.
Swingline
We still have 6 celestial minipets to go till we have all 12.
Voodoo Rage
It's such an analogy for life too. You can't take it with you.
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Daltanis
They will keep the game running as long as they don't start losing money on it, at which point its perfectly reasonable for them to do so. The costs of running this game however are near trivial.
To those comparing this game to Diablo 2, not even close to the same situation. Diablo 2 is run on Battle.net, which runs other games, including newer games like D3 and SC2. It costs them a trivial amount of money to keep it running when its infrastructure is being used by other products that generate massive income. Diablo 2 also isn't an MMO.
Unless it has been stated otherwise, they will continue to sell GW1 after GW2 releases so people new to the series can get HoM cosmetics. If GW2 is remotely successful, theres no reason to think GW1 will be shut down for years to come.
It will be shut down eventually though. Thats simply part of the nature of MMOs, and if you thought you would be able to play it "forever" you were mistaken. When its time is up, its time is up, and you will just have to live with it.
Your opinion on this is in the minority. Everquest has always been more successful then GW, because it appeals more to the general MMO community. GW1 however does not remotely appeal to the general MMO community, which is why it never got particularly popular. What you call solid mechanics and playability, the majority of MMOers call them stiff restrictive mechanics and near zero playability.
This is however part of the reason why I think GW1 is in for some major changes after GW2 releases. When that general MMO player base comes into this game to get HoM/GWAMM, and they see what the game is like, and how much time/effort it will require, they will be furious that they spent money on it, and Anet will likely be forced to put in major nerfs across the board.
To those comparing this game to Diablo 2, not even close to the same situation. Diablo 2 is run on Battle.net, which runs other games, including newer games like D3 and SC2. It costs them a trivial amount of money to keep it running when its infrastructure is being used by other products that generate massive income. Diablo 2 also isn't an MMO.
Unless it has been stated otherwise, they will continue to sell GW1 after GW2 releases so people new to the series can get HoM cosmetics. If GW2 is remotely successful, theres no reason to think GW1 will be shut down for years to come.
It will be shut down eventually though. Thats simply part of the nature of MMOs, and if you thought you would be able to play it "forever" you were mistaken. When its time is up, its time is up, and you will just have to live with it.
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This is however part of the reason why I think GW1 is in for some major changes after GW2 releases. When that general MMO player base comes into this game to get HoM/GWAMM, and they see what the game is like, and how much time/effort it will require, they will be furious that they spent money on it, and Anet will likely be forced to put in major nerfs across the board.
Dark-NighT
I sure hope anet will allow us to download our account data and offer a local server option, ive spend over 400 euros on guild wars which includes 3 collectors editions and while it has been money well spend with over 5000 hours of actualy gametime clocked, i feel that if the servers would close and all our stuff deleted that it would have been the biggest waste of time ever, in a sense it already is, but its been enjoyable and ive grown attached to my characters.
I think it was gaile gray that once said that they will provide us with the tools to run our own servers when the time came, and allow us to download our characters, that was about 5 years ago.
I think it was gaile gray that once said that they will provide us with the tools to run our own servers when the time came, and allow us to download our characters, that was about 5 years ago.
Mokeiro
To make sure is not gonna be the cheater mayhem when the time comes and server side is release, the server files should be highly encrypted so nobody can modify it and make servers with mods like every mobs drops an ecto or x100 exp multiplicator, so we can enjoy the real GW exp.
Tryndamere
I think they should at the very least find a way to preserve everybody's accounts, and make it so GW1 users can play on some offline server or something. Other games have kept going for far longer than seven years, and I think it'd be cruel to wipe everyone's data simply because old game is old. While I know I don't play GW1 like a newly released game, I'd still like it if I had the opportunity to go back and play through a part of the game again to enjoy it.
Lithril Ashwalker
if they close the game, then the HOM is pointless to have thus making GW2 lore pointless. it WILL stay up but may be corrupted.
Premium Unleaded
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To make sure is not gonna be the cheater mayhem when the time comes and server side is release, the server files should be highly encrypted so nobody can modify it and make servers with mods like every mobs drops an ecto or x100 exp multiplicator, so we can enjoy the real GW exp.
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Once they shut down their game servers, all continuity between player accounts is lost anyway so private/personal servers, with or without modified parameters, will have no bearing on anything else other than themselves.
Linksys
I haven't posted here in a while because last time I did, I was getting trolled and harassed singly by someone. But I'll try again because I did something that others may want to do also.
I don't know how long GW1 will stay online and I don't want to come off as a pretentious gamer who does not work for ArenaNet or NC Soft by stating an estimate. We see enough of that sort of thing here. But I'm sure GW1 will still be around for a while.
But what I did do is take screen shots of my main PvE character, that character's title tracks in the Hero window, and all the sections of my HoM calculator on the GW2 website. I also did screen shots of my valuable and favorite items in the game like everlasting tonics, weapons, armor, miniatures, and more. I used a photoshop program to trim them down. I took screen shots of the info boxes of my items and combined them in the same photo by category.
I did that for myself so if, years later, I do think about when I used to play GW1, I can refer to the screen shots to see what I did and what I got. I have those and more organized in folders within one folder on my computer and it's all backed up on a couple of external hard drives. I suppose it's something others may consider doing for themselves so I wanted to share that here. It's a way to document what you've done in the game.
I don't know how long GW1 will stay online and I don't want to come off as a pretentious gamer who does not work for ArenaNet or NC Soft by stating an estimate. We see enough of that sort of thing here. But I'm sure GW1 will still be around for a while.
But what I did do is take screen shots of my main PvE character, that character's title tracks in the Hero window, and all the sections of my HoM calculator on the GW2 website. I also did screen shots of my valuable and favorite items in the game like everlasting tonics, weapons, armor, miniatures, and more. I used a photoshop program to trim them down. I took screen shots of the info boxes of my items and combined them in the same photo by category.
I did that for myself so if, years later, I do think about when I used to play GW1, I can refer to the screen shots to see what I did and what I got. I have those and more organized in folders within one folder on my computer and it's all backed up on a couple of external hard drives. I suppose it's something others may consider doing for themselves so I wanted to share that here. It's a way to document what you've done in the game.
Chrisworld
EverQuest has been running for 13 years, Diablo II (bnet) for 12 (although there are working LAN server repacks for both systems and d2 is also single player/lan). The only reason we dread losing GW is because it only "boots" and plays when there is a connection to arena net. They have control, and apparently it's quite hard to get a LAN repack working for GW because..well... it's an MMO. EQ emulators and D2 bnet emulators are successful (also World of Warcraft emu's) because they've ether been out a LONG time and people have perfected them (bnet and eq1) or had MASSIVE popularity (wow).
I would have loved if GW1 was designed a little differently, to handle singleplayer/lan/internet on the fly. Shoot, I would probably play a million more hours of GW1 knowing I'd have it forever, and I still wouldn't cheat.
I think it sucks that I could get a LAN repack up and running in 30 seconds for WoW, but not a single one exists for GW.
Actually, you have a great point.... and this is what we would all imagine. Now, Guild Wars, in terms of starting areas and storylines is still the same and available for people to enjoy new and old to the game, but having played EverQuest II (for example) for TWO SHORT years, they took the game and put it into a juicer. Every so often another legacy quest line gets removed from the game or ruined by the removal of one key NPC/zone in said quest line. Hell, the entire lore of eq2 has literally been rewritten and lost since 2004.
I would have loved if GW1 was designed a little differently, to handle singleplayer/lan/internet on the fly. Shoot, I would probably play a million more hours of GW1 knowing I'd have it forever, and I still wouldn't cheat.
I think it sucks that I could get a LAN repack up and running in 30 seconds for WoW, but not a single one exists for GW.
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if they close the game, then the HOM is pointless to have thus making GW2 lore pointless. it WILL stay up but may be corrupted.
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Swingline
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Actually, you have a great point....
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Lasai
Repeating myself, I find the parallels between the Everquest games and this to be quite amusing.
EQ2, set in the future, continuing the "lore" but totally changing the world by cataclysm. New graphics, effects, enhanced characters, streamlined advancement as compared to original, etc etc. It was a "new" game, and only fragmented lore carried over.
It was also depicted as being the absolute death of Everquest, and the same commentary was made then as is being made now regarding GW vs GW2.
And yet.. Everquest survives, and SOE isn't leaving it up for charity. I imagine the same will happen here, and the holdouts who prefer this game will allow it to survive. Who knows.. not everyone loves the emperors new clothes.
What is also amusing is how, over the years, more and more features, lands and cities of the original Everquest were, and continue to be, brought back into the EQ2 game, and yet.. most of my guild went back to EQ including some who had never played it. They didn't come back, either.
It will be interesting to see what expansions bring back to GW2 from this game.
EQ2, set in the future, continuing the "lore" but totally changing the world by cataclysm. New graphics, effects, enhanced characters, streamlined advancement as compared to original, etc etc. It was a "new" game, and only fragmented lore carried over.
It was also depicted as being the absolute death of Everquest, and the same commentary was made then as is being made now regarding GW vs GW2.
And yet.. Everquest survives, and SOE isn't leaving it up for charity. I imagine the same will happen here, and the holdouts who prefer this game will allow it to survive. Who knows.. not everyone loves the emperors new clothes.
What is also amusing is how, over the years, more and more features, lands and cities of the original Everquest were, and continue to be, brought back into the EQ2 game, and yet.. most of my guild went back to EQ including some who had never played it. They didn't come back, either.
It will be interesting to see what expansions bring back to GW2 from this game.
Linksys
While I'd like to see us refrain from talking down at others and shooting down their experience and knowledge, to try to have the last word and then decide that a debate is done with that is also unsavory. Or maybe you were trying to end the conflict to avoid it with a good intention. Still, I'd like to suggest, not decide or dictate, but suggest that Daltanis can rebute again if he/she wants to. If that works for everyone. Then move back to the topic/idea of preserving GW1.
EDIT: added something but changed my mind, removed the addition
EDIT: added something but changed my mind, removed the addition
Lasai
doesnt matter, the thread has been sanitized. Gotta be old guard to speak your mind here.
You know Guru, double standards are poor practice.
You know Guru, double standards are poor practice.
Pewterbrain
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