Saving Up for Chapter 2, Problems?

will their brilliant sword of showoffsmanship that cant be seen in towns cut any better than your collectors sword of utility of the same stats?

i have Drok when i can afford 15k for the simple reason i wont pay for looks alone.

and i have just started another presear character because it is a nice place to visit

i play for fun not to keep up with someone else.

and i am middle income here

Man get over it and earn some gold the old fashioned way. FARM!

Excellent - I'm very happy to hear that. I started off when there were no get-rich-quick schemes, have not had perfect fellblades and eternal shields drop for me, etc. I also have only made a very modest amount of money from farming. And you know what, I have two 15k armour sets with superior runes (inc vigor) and another with a mix of 15k armour (looks better to me) - with lots of money in the bank.

I did play a fair bit, but I never played 24/7. If people want to play casually then they're playing casually. If you want to invest time in a game, you get rewards. Why should casual gamers get everything for nothing? They spend more time doing other things in the REAL WORLD, so they're not suffering.

If you want the top rewards, play the game to gain them.

I'm not among the rich either, but I don't see this as a problem.

I've never had money problems just playing through the mission (except for when I just got into Ascalon, where I didn't have enough gold to buy new armor)

Unless you are able to go to Lion's Arch and get a Drok's run, there really isn't much of an advantage anyone can have over you. Will others have cooler looking armor earlier than you? Probably. Will there be people who will be able to buy unneccissarily-strong-for-the-area weapons? Yes, that is likely too.

However, all the weapons you really need drop off monsters in your area, are obtained from weapon-smiths, or are forged from armorers.

The PvP missions are supposedly optional, and I imagine most people won't want to start doing them till they've atleast reached level 20, as with most other forms of PvP.

Well, how about this question?
Assuming that Yes, your new Assassin of Ritualist in Canthra have access to your save up riches early on, and that they could gain the best armor and weapon with it. And that the other new player don't have this option.

So, as a Dev, how will you design the new land/area/mission/pvp? Will you made it where it is balance for those with the basic stuff to get by? Make it more challenging for the better off people? Since everyone is not starting on the same starting line, how will you make the race fair?

Now, I would predict that A.net might do something where your new Canthra character will not be able to access to your storage still later on. Meaning lock you in a "no siginal" zone, much like Pre-Sear, till you are level 15 or so. Than, have no access to any running to higher level, with the "Mission Blockades". And only than, after you are lv18 or 20ish, could you have access back to CH I land. Of couse, that is only a guess, and also as a suggestion.

dont quote me but i think that something was mentioned about a "pre-sear" like area in chapter 2.......i belive this would solve all peoples worries

Probably things will be like what we have now. Armor levels will scale as areas get more difficult and as you progress in the game. As armor increase, collectors will be standing by to take all those easily-purchased or found monster drops from you and hand you a set of armor, or a strong weapon. No, the only advantage the rich will have is that they will be able to pay for the exorbitant run prices that will be charged (new area + new class + new armor + new skills = runners get rich) and the ability to buy any new 15k armor sets that come out. The super-rich may be able to buy any obsidian-like armor, but again, stats are the same across the board. If you are not taken into a group because you don't have obsidian/15k armor, then you probably didn't want to be in that group of farmers anyway.

Comments like this make me very angry. What you want is a communist version of guild wars like what someone mentioned earlier i think. Good weapons dont make you a good player. And those that have worked hard to afford them are entitled to the nice stuff. Guild Wars would be awful if everyone started off with perfect weps and armor. Just because you are poor does not mean everyone else has to be.

As it has said ever and ever again, you don't need to be rich to get best stats items..
15k/FoW armors, where is the different with the drok's ones except skin ?_?
Max weapons..., did you hear of collectors?
And don't say Droks Armor or collector items are hard to get,
-if you play the game the way it should be (no pay for runs), when in Droks you have enough to buy yours-

I'm totaly sure same thing will apply in Ch2, i mean an easy way to get max common items and an harder for different skins (needing longer play).

i second the motion.

the simple answer is, play good, play hard, play long......for like 8-9-10 months long........then if your still "poor".....ill give you a loan

There will be new crafting materials needed for chapter 2, just remember that so no one will have the best new armour from the start. I for one am saving for the new chapter, it has given the game a new leece of life for me...why shouldnt there be some reward for the people who put the time in?...why are the poor allways bitching about the rich when they could be rich also if they choose to be but are either too lazy or not skilled enough?...nerf...nerf...nerf... I cant be bothered...or cant make money...erm so just nerf everythigelse in the game so i can have a fair start in the new chapter...ILMAO... get playing and saving like everyonelse. Sometimes I think people forget we are playing the same game here. I think it fair that Lazy players should be at some kind of dissatvantage for not playing and not the dedicated players otherwise there would be none. People are obsessed with equality in this game... well there are allways better players with better equipment and more gold that you and were all moving up the ladder. I want the best equipment, best skills, most money I can get.... doesnt everyone?

lol couldnt have said this better myself. if Anet nerf everything then most of the long term regular players would have no reason to play anymore and go play somethingelse....I know I would.

I honestly cant see any way of changing the gold in chapter 2 and I dont want to either. Ive put alot of time into this game and I want something back in return like being one of the first to be there with enough cash to get the items I want for a change before things get nerfed the way FoW armour was as it is alot more difficult to get now. I cant wait to see if there will be new armour.. would be great to have opposite of FoW armour... something shiny with rubies or saphs!

i couldnt agree more mate

....some of us were here & watched things evolve, & now....we could easily SAVE to buy FoW armour.......why bother? its nearly 1.5 million if not more in materials.......thanks too the 11yo ebay noobs that jack the prices sky high.

if you want to get angry at people, get angry at the ones who cause market prices to skyrocket, blame the ebayers, that buy 1 million gold & have all godly stuff at level 4 & then run around screaming "noob, noob"

blame the people with macro bots that farm ectos & shards till near extinction........then sit in ToA selling 100's & 1000's of them.....hell they even farm weapon drops......& material.........

GuildWars NEEDS the expansion, the long term players NEED the expansion, we need the new armour, the new weapons, the new choices.

the thing people need to remember is, GW is 100x better eye candy than WoW......& besides initial costs & new chapters......everythign is free.....free halloween events, free christmas events......free weapons like all the greens in SF, the IDS........how much would all this content cost if it wasn't free???

I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!! I like things the way they are

so..sit back, chill, crack a beer & say cheers to the folks @ ANET.

They work bloody hard for us, dont make them start charging us for it aye?

I agree 100%. Max weapons and armour are all fully available without too much trouble. Droknar's armour is affordable if you simply play the PvE game and collector's weapons are actually quite good. If you play PvP, then you can just make a PvP character with whatever you want.

There is no reason why anyone should have a huge advantage over other players permanently. It's all about skill-bar setups and little else. Who cares if someone else has an eternal shield!?! This is called "Guild Wars" not "Fashion Wars". If you're constantly obsessed with comparing yourself to others then you're taking this game far too seriously!

At the end of the day the only difference between droks and any 15k armour is in look only (and yes I have several chars with both 15k and normal droks armour which can be killed just as easily as my chars with Ascalon armour).

I made a lot of money from the old guru auction system when I got a few great drop and sold them here the most I ever got for an item was 300k which got me 15k armour for 4 of my chars on 1 of my accounts and the corresponding runes. And last night I got my first black dye drop after 1000+ hours of game play but I have been luck in another sence where I have got 2 sup abs form killing monsters either in quests or doing farming.

Now that does that class me as super rich or just plain lucky as I dont see my chars as superrich just plain lucky with the drops as I have seen lower level chars get several near perfect items drop in a row when more powerful cahrs get white ones.

Thats the luck of the draw.

will the new armour in factions be "better" and make drok, 15k and FoW armour obselete?

Damn, my crystal ball is still in the shop.

As there's no level increase, it stands to reason that the armor will have identical stats to what's currently available. If it was any better the collective whine from the pvpers would be overwhelming.

Dude, to put it bluntly get over it. The rich will always be rich the poor will always have to work to get it, with options out there to buy a million gold off of ebay, plus the price of some of the drops you get its always gonna be. One thing Anet could do is find a way to stop the sell of gold off of ebay but that will be like trying to stop a train with a twig, aint gonna happen. You want my advice on getting rich? Go buy money off of ebay. I personally am against it but if will keep you from posting another pointless thread crying cause your broke well there ya go. Go get rich the easy way. Have a nice day.

Something I don't understand - Why is everyone so against people buying gold? For some people it makes sense. By way of a for instance, what if you've got little to no to play, let alone farm, but you still want the best looking items or the best gear. Why shouldn't you be able to buy gold? It's basically paying so you don't have to spend time doing something you don't really care to do. I've never thought it was wrong. If you feel like spending 9 bucks to get 100k in a video game is worth it, you're more than welcome to do it. If you get lucky you can get an item worth the same amount in 20 minutes or less. If someone believes their time is worth more than the amount of cash it takes to get the same amount of gold, why should you stop them? Does it affect you directly? Possibly. But no more than if they were farming for gold and were good at it.

it is against the rules you agreed to play by when you installed the game?

rich people have an advantage perhaps?

i just bought a fully twinked out account with the best of everything for only 500 dollars.

*I DONT HAVE TIME TO PLAY IT BUT DAMN I SURE IMPRESS PEOPLE IN THE GAME*

Well i spend bloody ages trying to get enough gold for my fissure armor only for an ebayer to get the same amount of gold in minutes. Then when i do get it people just view me as another one of "those fissure wearing ebayers". I chose to invest extra time to afford such luxuries and if you have not got enough time then thats your fault.

Well, time = money. Aside from the fact that it's against the EULA, I don't really see anything wrong with ebaying for something that would otherwise take you a long time, if you really want it that badly.

Of course, the best solution is to look at where your life is heading and ask yourself: "Do I really want to spend all this time/money just to get some stupid useless armor for this virtual online game?"

It not the problem of someone having more money than you....

Its more or less the possible complains of "uneven start on the starting line" and difficulties of adding new content to suit everyone's need and position.

Anet has done a great job of of providing you all you need to be able to afford max stat armor, great collector's items in chapter 1 and I see the same set up with Chapter 2 as you progress throught the game. Once you beaten the game you can then do farming to fund new characters if you short cut them through the game. Anet is not against farming but when it's farming method that cause inflation in the game that can't be controlled.

I don't think there going to be able to avoid the "compalints" when you allow existing level 20 character in to a new chapter (compared to someone who just bought Chapter 2 but not played Chapter 1).

I recall when the green weapons were introduced how much back lash there was from the "rich" about dropping there value.

The biggest issue is the lack of knowledge about the collectors items / there are alts to max gold perfect mod stuff. Hopefully they will make placement of npc or quests that link to the items to make people more aware. How many people realize if you keep 5 of each monster drop from Crystal /Southern Shiver peaks and get the best collector item(s) in the game.

I also think that a tradehouse / auctionhouse is most likely in the work which will have a nice effect of having standard prices based on supply and demand in stead of the huge flux of value among items. PC Traders know the vaule of the items but players not in the "scene" or new ones don't know any better can easily get ripped off.

Honestly, if you judge people by their equipment, you really are superficial and deserve all that you get in game and in real life.

Everybody should appreciate fine equipment. But a good player can judge another good player by how they play, not by what they use. Do you know who I impress with my Razorstone and Malinon's shield? Well, it's only good until you find out I'm not bringing any enchantment skills and axe mastery skills. It would be next to useless. Whether someone is a good player or not is easily evaluated by how they behave in game. I chuckle still when people ask me what I'm using as if that defines my skills. No, my skills defines my skills, my equipment only enhance them when used appropriately.

My latest hobby? Run around low level content and find low, or even better, no req items and modding them to taste. It's been quite fun, actually, to see that some of these items are nearly as good as the "max/godly/uber" items that people give their first born for with the right skill mix. And some of the low level collector items are simply amusing. Shocking Plasma Blade of Defense/Enchanting anyone? It's too bad that they nerfed my "crystaline" req.4 long sword that does just as much damage as a max sword when I'm hexed/enchanted/customized all at the same time. And none of these items cost any gold! And it's fun to obtain them if you missed them the few times you did go through the game in the beginning.

Yes yes, I know, Anet gave us candy cane weapons... A nice wintersday gift, no doubt, for the price. If only they were upgradeable. Oh how I would love a furious candy cane axe of enchanting!

Acctually, according to Anet, in the audio interview with Jeff (lastname?), they want you to play high level content with your ch.1 high level character if that is what you chose to do. And they want you to have the option of playing the low level content to bring you to the high level content if you don't have a high level character. So in fact, it's opposite of what most people think it is. They made it standalone. They did not make it to "level the playing field" so that everybody can start the same again. If anything, the interview implies that the low level content is once again, a tutorial for new comers very much the way it was (pre ascension) in chapter 1.

I guess I'm about the middle of the pack, wealth wise - maybe upper middle class, LOL. Most of my wealth came from farming the lower levels for crafting materials & getting the rare crafting materials made to sell off. I also salvaged my own materials for all my armor - so all I had to come up with was the gold - saved a bunch of money that way.

But it does take time and effort. It's only natural that someone who plays 3 hours a day ends up with more gold than the same type of player who only plays 5 - 6 hours a week.

Forgot something. As for Chapter 2, they may come up with different (new) material requirements for the new armors. you may find that you need a material that doesn't exist now for that assassin armor.

I don't think the currency will change, since you will be allowed to carry your current character over to the next chapter. (It didn't change from Ascalon to Shiverpeaks to Kryta, after all)

Theres a fairly simple way to neglect this issue.
1. Players with over 250k are a minority in GW. (Why 250k? That for me marks having enough cash to buy just about anything and still have enough left over to live off of)
2. If Guild Wars Factions (On a stand alone basis) gets more copies sold then the original Guild Wars, that'll even further provoke the minority of rich players with a beneficial start.
3. We don't even know if currency is transferable, And what to SPEND the money on.

If you had read Gailes post awhile back she even stated that 90% of the players that are playing GW's don't even have 20 plat max. It's an illusion that there's LOTS of rich players out there. There's not really. The majority of players have a life just like you and will have basically the same gear and equipment as you thru time. I played the entire first chapter without worrying about what the other guys got the whole time and completed it just like everyone else eventually does. Main thing there shouldn't be a "rush" to complete it, because once you've done it once, it's pretty boring and nothing left but to replay up another character or farm. I chose to play one character and unlock all the skills and elites for that one character, I don't like pure casters and rangers suk, so my warrior/whatever is the most fun to play for me and having most of the skills for each class gives me choices to make now each time I play.

So, don't worry about someone being ahead of you if you are a casual player, it doesn't make any difference because they don't affect your game if you play YOUR game and not theirs. (smile)

[whine]Why is it that almost every third thread on this forum is some poor guy complaining?[/whine]

Now, seriously - it's not an issue. Not even a little bit. If you want armour that's a little shinier, go for it. Farm your ass off. Do whatever. Ebay it. It will not make you any more skilled than anyone else.

The things you need - actually need - in the game are few and far between. A set of Drok's armour, for sure. Maybe a weapon or two, if you can't be bothered to find one yourself (collectors, or even drops). A couple runes, and that's about it. Equal playing field, for a total of maybe 25k. I've played through the game on a single character, without any sort of farming whatsoever and I've saved up around 100k all told. You don't need to work for money, if you only buy what you need. Skill quests and collectors are your friends!

Most of you have probably heard the saying, "he who dies with the most toys, is" blah blah blah whatever. It has been my experience, that he who dies with FoW armour against a lowly pair of imps is nonetheless dead, not to mention to rich for his own good.

Haha Cjlr that's how I look at the game also. No armor or some skin on a weapon has ever impressed me. It may be impressive to the person who spent a million plat on it, but, it all looks like cartoons to me. I can only feel these types of players that have this NEED for the high end armor/gear (looks only) have some inferior complex in real life and need some sort of ego boost from a game to I guess make them feel important, but, to WHO? It's like WHO cares if someone else has FoW armor really? I know I don't. And it's not because I can't afford it I just don't see a NEED for it. Now, I NEED a good WEAPON with great stats, but, it doesn't have to be a chaos axe of some flaming or icey sword. You are correct many good weapons/items even some armor are out there on collectors and until recently that's what I used. I got lucky with the new UW and got the Green Axe and Shield and Maul and Sword on my only 4 trips through it. So, I use those, but, I still use my collectors weapons as well as the situations arise where they are more advantageous. Like my Ebon Axe & Sword when farming Wurms. Doubt anyone would use these in PVP and I think too much emphasis is put and based on PVP and PVP whinning about PVE players having this and that....it gets crazy sometimes, but, I do find it funny reading the whines and complaints as they roll in day after day here and on the other GW's websites as well.

I put most of my money/time into aquiring all the skills and elites, now those are more important to me than any armor upgrade after Droks. No matter what you look like or what weapons you are wielding, the final results always comes down to skill when everything else is equal as in Droks vs FoW armor, equal stats only a different skin. That's just silly to waste that kind of money on a look, UNLESS you have the best of weapons, shields, focus items and ALL your skills unlocked/bought/capped, then if you want to throw money into the wind like that it seems reasonable.

I would think we have to take into account most of the whines are from pre-teens to young teens. I'd really find it hard to believe a mature adult (yes I know there are some immature ones) would get so overzealous over such silliness as being poor or being rich in a GAME?

I question that. Sure, a mature adult probably won't be overzealous over such thing, but they still would want them, else they won't be playing such game. It is one of the attraction of MMO, to get the uber loot and show them off (else single player rpg would dominate over the mindless grind of MMO)

I won't say this post is a whining. I am more concern in making GW a better game.

Now, I would imagin (speculation of couse) that the formate of Faction will be such that 40 to 60% of the content be for the newly created Canthra character (almost like the presearing zone...), where it will get them to be about lv 20, before reaching the "share" contents that the old ascalon character can join. (of couse, that is only the main story wise, unsure of how much of "sandbox" play is out there). That is all good and all, but what if you have the ablity to import your money in there?

It would be like A.net suddendly change where you have a share storage in presearing too, back when the game first come out, and the beta player are not whipe and still keeping their stuff.

Of couse, I am sure A.net would have someway to avoid that... but than, there are nothing wrong in voicing my conern.

How about this:

Best elite items u could use lets say only after u were ascended or after u achive some lvl? Like that runners to Droks wouldnt be needed since u couldnt use droks ( or yaks, lions... ) armour until u reach certain lvl? In my opinion this would prevent "abuse" of gold u earned with previous characters( chapter )...

Like this u would be forced to buy armor sets from the start ( in ascalon, yaks.... ) and collectors would become far more interesting and important this way since u would upgrade your gear threw exploring the land and not only in major cityes?

Quite true. However, I'm sure that many will cross over from Chapter 1. Perhaps that will be the case for the "15k" types.

No, because then they could just pay people to power-level them. It wouldn't change much.

well yes but i still think less people would be willing to pover lvl someone ( after all it would take much more time than simle running ) if droks armors would be usable at lets say lvl 17-18 it would take long time to power lvl there...

well well, I'm mid range also maybe not i have 2 acount.
I beat the game and love to farm , i have goals 500 plat done that been their 500 hyda claws done that 250 shards still need 150 250 ecto still need 125 Come home from work and just like to do some grinding. I've done so much grinding i have 50 of every dye not blk i have 11 blk dye so that should tell you how much i play. As for ebayers do what you want , i have some of the best weapons and about 1.8 mill in just gold and i run around in my drok's armor (all my toons)
so if you want to be rich you will need to play more that 2 hours here and their. Maybe if your personal live was good you wouldn't complain about an online game. Use your energy in game and will be rewarded.

the point is right way not too many will be in chapter 2 final areas. especially the areas that it REQUIRES Co-op to finish. and controlling areas of Cantha will be crutial to being able to get certain items / armors... As well as Being able to get discounts from NPC vendors... So at least at the begining we will all be pretty equally footed... all I can say is buy early and play often... It will pay off for you.

It's not a huge problem but it is still quite problematic (if that makes sense). Money does cause problems when it comes to people being run and getting better armour only to later go back and do the earlier missions. There are, in my opinion, three options Anet has: to keep everything the same and not bother about the economy, secondly more goldsinks and finally have Cantha using a different currency. The different currency would actually be quite good because it adds realism because different countries do have different currencies. I am against the inability to exchange previous gold to Canthan so there should also be a money exchange with inflation exchange rates. Although it could get for more complicated.

Guild Wars: Forex?

Thanks but no thanks.