No chance for america

From wwww.guildwars.com

when is saw this I was just thinking holy @%#$ America has no chance.

Do America's top guilds practice this much? Can anyone beat these guys?

Of course they can be beaten. They've lost before and they will again. Will they win the championship? Possibly.

Can u give us the link to that interview plz?

It's on Guild Wars' home page. I don't think they've fought before, and I have plenty of trust on EP and iQ's skill. I think they do have a chance.

may the force be with europe

i can tell you this much, they deserve to win, best guild ive ever seen.

"Do you see different play styles between guilds from different regions of the world?

Yes, we believe so. Korean players think about both strength and strategic points in battles. For American and European users, we expect more heavily concentrated fire power from parties."

War Machine....

Having watched all the Korean matches, WM's use of the map itself is their strongest point, I have not seen any of the European or American teams use the map as well, and they frequently seem more confused than the Koreans.

I hope they don't get embarrased as tactics should be right up there with build design. I'm an old war-gamer so I see the map itself as paramount. War Machine seems to think the same way.

I think practice really helps but THAT much practice isn't going to make that big of a difference. That's just insane.

i wonder if any of their wars use mending ;-)

Theres also lots of luck involved.in the end it just depends on who had a better stradegy not who practiced more and to have ur stradegy work takes some luck and coordination. we'll see wat happens. i predict korea winning anyway since from the way they've bene going so far they can prolly kick our asses. i'll still be rooting for america tho

btw i feel tons of rasim posts coming

I think it's just a matter of taking things seriously. Call it "cultural gap" if you want but I don't think competition spirit is a specific characteristic of Koreans. Every hobby out there (from football to chess, from darts to drinking beer) can be enjoyed at different levels. When things become semi-pro or even pro, you can't blame people for spending more time on it.

The point is : you don't get anything for free and great achievements demand even greater efforts and sacrifices.

Yes practise helps, up to a point. I don't want to take away anything from these top Korean players, but this is a game about brains as much as practise. And I give credit to American players for coming up with the best and the most original team builds. Having watched the War Machine at work quite often now, it is clear that this is a very good team with dedicated players that rarely miss a step, really know what they are doing and work like one man (or 2 men, rather). A less dedicated team will have to find a way to upset their relentless routine. Too much practise means you are playing something on autopilot often, so maybe that will prove to be their weakness.

I hope it is not EP facing them in the finals. Nothing against EP, but seeing that the build they used against pRp is almost identical to the one used by the War Machine, this would not make for the best of matches in the WC.

Well, an 1/8th share of $100k seems like it would provide some incentive to take things seriously.

I just hope the Yanks and Europeans have spent 15 minutes on each map, showing block points, explaining body blocking, and flag running strats, as they won't have the luxury to be confused when they are up against WM. Practicing as much as WM claims though, seems a little excessive, but again....$100k.

Keep in mind that this thread is about practice vs. playstyle, everyone. Don't make generalisations covered by faulty region-specific bases.

And the reason IWAY wins against a lot of noobs is found.

Uhm, the 100k prize is split among all the participants, not just the winners. As per the GW webpage

1st Place: $50,000
2nd Place: $25,000
3rd Place: $10,000
4th Place: $10,000
5th Place: $2,500
6th Place: $2,500

EP used WM's build against pRp because they couldn't take on pRp with a build that they've been playing with through the whole season. Ranger spike is pRp's specialty and EP was stupid for attempting to beat them at it. So they chose something unexpected. WM's build. They didn't know how to play it, but pRp didn't know how to fight it. It was a 90 minute match to see who could learn faster.

Well Korea has the top guild, America has the 2nd top guild and Europe has the 3rd top guild.

What does this prove?

That no matter where you are in the world you'll still have people who don't have a life .

Also it means the America vs Europe vs Korea match will be very interesting.

Have you guys seen this thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=106090

There are plenty who average 6+ hours a day on this game. And if you read further in the interview about their core and non-core players, it clarifies it more saying that there are those who play in one time slot and not the other. So while there might be some who play for 12 hours, it sounds like the majority of them just do 6 hours a day.

Just 6 hours Inde.......

When I played my first MMOG, I used to do 7-8 hours every night and 10+ on the weekends. So yeah... just 6 hours I have an addictive personality that now translates into this fansite!

Back on topic, I did think it was interesting in the interview how they mentioned they weren't sure what to expect from the other teams since they haven't seen them play. Will truly be almost a "going in blind" atmosphere. Should make for a good show.

Korea let out a big We are better than you with that one lol.

They said They expect America and Europe to just go "Hulk Smash" and go for brute damage, and They think more strategically, using the battles and map to their advantage to seek a higher goal.

They basically put themselves 5 levels above us

It's probably intimidation . You know... psych out some people, make them think that they don't have a chance. That kind of thing.

I use the same tactics in debate. Here's how I do it.

For my debate meets, I bring a huge black filing box. It's about 1.5 feet long and 6 inches wide, about the size of my PC chassis. When I walk by other debators, they stare in amazement of my box.

The trick is that, the box isn't really filled with anything .

Intimidation will win the championships.

Former, I caught reference of that too. I've never been up against a Korean team though and it was earlier mentioned that they do have excellent use of the map and other areas. Perhaps we do have a "go in and shoot the whole place up" approach. But hey, only way to know is to see the final results play out. And who says it's such a bad technique! It's worked out before in some games I've played. Shoot now, ask questions later. LOL

....... stop scaring me

1980 USA Hockey Team

"Do you believe in miracles?"

Never lose faith....

Don't worry America you got us the Canadains helping you...hello guys HELLO .

Alright! Canada, USA, and Mexico, and South America vs THE WORLD!

Thank goodness for Canada, eh. Pass the Moosehead.

Our Savior which art in Tyria,
Trexton be thy name.
Thy Treacherous Empire come.
Thy calls be followed.
In Taiwan as it is in the Frozen Isle.
Give us this day our daily metagame.
And forgive us our rage quits,
as we forgive them that ninja gank at VoD.
And lead us not into dust traps.
But deliver us from EvIL.

Amen

War Machine is going to be a tough one to beat. I remember reading about their success at the E3 this last summer and it was amazing. Here is a link to the report if anyone is interested. http://guildwars.com/events/e32005/default.html

I think it will be interesting to see how things go. War Machine has the practice invested but depending on what US and European teams win we could have some very interesting matches. Thank goodness for observer mode

Personally I want the US team to win, but at times like this you gotta support the country where you are from right??

I am very interested in watching this...about when will it be played?

I cant wait.

I guarantee that the European and American guilds ARE practicing daily.

I guarantee that if Korea wins, it's not because they're perfect and no one else is.

I guarantee that what will be the most fun in the final stages, is seeing the different playstyles competing against each other (IE: map vs brute strength).

It seems a little unfair to generalize american and euro guilds as "brute force" and korean guilds as "tacticians"

Ive talked with plenty of people who talk about map control and strategic movement and placement who are from american guilds.

I dont see any reason to believe the teams from America and Europe dont play 6-12 hours a day...

Im confident that regardless of who finally wins, its going to be an exciting, even matchup.

Good Luck to everyone out there

those war machine chicks are pretty hot eh?

I think america isnt gonna win it, we just dont seem to have the strategy like the koreans do

Personally, I don't think the generalization they are making are too wrong. (They changed their hall to druid's isle just to have advantage over ranger spike?)

From the point I am seeing is that american and european focus alot of "Spike damage" as in their word or translation "strength". (asian don't call manga manga, in their language, there is only comic, you see the point? language difference) WM's own build did not involve in so many spiking (aside the ranger spike they ran once), I am assuming they did not like th ranger spike at all after seeing the countless limitation of map it had.

People need to think about the word "practice", what exactly is practice? how are they doing the practice? That is what matters. You are not getting any better in GW if your practice hours involve in doing push up. People should realize that this is a game of wit not muscle. Therefore, practice should invovle alot of scenario situation such as ganking, anti-ganking, etc. Simply playing GvG won't get you that much practice, however if you create scenarios and place everyone in a starting position like a gank to practice gank, you will certainly understand ganking more. If you simply play GvG, and you never had to deal with ganking situation, then you simply didn't get any new experience with ganking. I hope you guys see my point from the given example.

WM also have another big advantage in their practice, LAN. Being able to LAN allow some really quick help in doing exactly someone telling you while during practice. For example, if I say go to the flag and run circles, and you didn't know how to move your character in circle, all I had to do is walk over and show you on your PC. (also, human language are 80% physical and 20% verbal, you certainly understand each other more with LAN)

Practice makes perfect. To those who think there are no reason to practice as there is no perfect, well, practice still help making one closer to perfection.

Also, I hope american and european don't get fool by WM's gate trick (the trick of standing exactly in the middle where the gate land, which allow them to still enter through the gate or exit the gate on their will; from the opponent team's view, they already exit the gate)

you really believe that? No way they spend 6 hours a day practicing but yet have seen no matches of the other teams ever.

Tactics

That entire interview is riddled with hooks. They WANT the opposing teams to nitpick the interview.

I'm really hoping WM (or iQ) puts EP in their place. If it weren't for A.Net's incompotence, pRp would have won. Granted pRp made quite a few blunders in game 4, that means nothing as their would have never been a game 4 if not for A.Net's incompotence and the fact that they told pRp that they had to be ready to start IMMEDIATLY, yet they let EP change their build...

Go Korea! WM deserves it, imo. Anyone who completely destroys their social life for the sake of a game should win...