Is there a petition for 2 new slots instead of 1?
The Great Al
we're not getting 4 new slots, at this point i'll be happy with two....i just dont think itll be fair that by the time chapter 3 or chapter 4 come out, that playing separately will give you 12 - 16 slots, but together we'll get what...6?
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by The Great Al
we're not getting 4 new slots, at this point i'll be happy with two....i just dont think itll be fair that by the time chapter 3 or chapter 4 come out, that playing separately will give you 12 - 16 slots, but together we'll get what...6?
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and somebody picking up chapter 4 will have no more than we do and have 12 professions same as we do except 10 will be gimped and only the chapter 4 new characters will be able to be fully developed for them
new buyers will NEVER have more slots than a returning player
Katari
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
if they give us one slot for each new profession by chapter 4 we will have 10 slots.
and somebody picking up chapter 4 will have no more than we do and have 12 professions same as we do except 10 will be gimped and only the chapter 4 new characters will be able to be fully developed for them new buyers will NEVER have more slots than a returning player |
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Originally Posted by The Great Al
we're not getting 4 new slots, at this point i'll be happy with two....i just dont think itll be fair that by the time chapter 3 or chapter 4 come out, that playing separately will give you 12 - 16 slots, but together we'll get what...6?
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Lovitar, I don't think anyone will disagree with you, that people who buy factions first will be just as well off (In terms of current content) as people who bought prophecies first. Is is such a basic idea that I can't see anyone arguing it. It is also totally irrelevent to Al's post.
Regardless, unless Alex was lying or trying to mislead us, I think it is safe to conclude that we will get more than one slot when we merge accounts. Of course, that could mean we'd get two, which would still be to little. Three I could deal with, and heck, If they added three with Ch2, and three with Ch3, but only added two on Ch4+, I'd almost be ok with it. Since I would have enough slots at last. But two slots per chapter would never reach 100%, and I'm not ok with that.
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Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Katari
Thats interesting. You quote him and then say something totally irrelevent as if you're proving him wrong. Lets review.
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he was considering all chapters will possibly be installed as separate games and i was comparing all chapters merged with a specified 1 slot per new character.
Galahad
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
and somebody picking up chapter 4 will have no more than we do and have 12 professions same as we do except 10 will be gimped and only the chapter 4 new characters will be able to be fully developed for them
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As I see it for someone buying and merging all of the first 4 campaigns.
If for each chapter we get 1 slot after chapter 4: 4+1+1+1=7 slots for 12 professions i.e 4 unplayable primaries - totally unacceptable IMO.
2 slots: 4+2+2+2=10 slots for 12 i.e. 2 unplayable primaries - same as we started with in Ch1, the reason I have 2 accounts.
3 slots: 4+3+3+3=13 slots for 12 i.e. 1 spare for pvp
4 slots: 4+4+4+4=16 slots for 12 professions i.e. lots of spare characters as packmules and pvp - not likely to happen.
I will be buying Ch2 for my main account, hope to get enough slots to not have to buy 2 copies.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Galahad
Incorrect: Somebody buying Chapter 4 only will have 6 core and 2 chapter 4 professions. They will not be able to play Assassin, Ritualist or the Chapter 3 professions.
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thank you
the green snake
i think that anet should sell charater slots, so you can have as many slots as you want. they should just charge like $10 a slot. it would come out to about the same amount of money for them.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by the green snake
i think that anet should sell charater slots, so you can have as many slots as you want. they should just charge like $10 a slot. it would come out to about the same amount of money for them.
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been shot down many times already.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
that has been shot down by Anet as giving people with money an advantage over people who do not have money for the extra slots.
been shot down many times already. |
If I play one character all the time, I'll have the same odds for loot, than someone who's been playing 6 characters for the same net time.
Now, I guess the person with 6 chracters has some more flexibility when it comes to PvP.
But if it's PvP flexibility you want, just make up a bunch of characters to get all the skills you want, and delete them when you're done.
Obviously, there is a reason for the small number of slots in Guild Wars, and if MONEY is the reason, than allow those that want to buy more slots with money. It won't give any inherent advantage over anyone else...
(well, except storage. But people like me store too much crap they don't need anyway!)
TGgold
I, personally, don't think ANET should EVER give the gamer 100% content. They need to make money, and I think it's fine from a business standpoint. I'd like the game to be able to continue.
I have 2 accounts, and will update them all with every chapter. Lots of money on my half, but hey, that's what the game is worth to me.
I think that a lot of people are ungrateful for what we've been given, and they should look at all they ask for. I mean, you don't yell at your parents for not giving you everything you want, just because you want it. Then again, I'm seeing more and more of that happening these days :/
So, I'll be happy with 2 per expansion. 1 would be too little for me. But, with 2, I can see how the increasing returns will definately play out better : )
I mean, if you got 4 per expansion....4 in Ch1, 8 in Ch2, 12 in Ch3 (for 10 classes), 16 in Ch4 (for 12 classes), 20 in ch5 (for 14 class) and so on. It'd be unrealistic.
So, just be happy. I think all the people saying they won't buy will, when the time comes.
Oh yeah: content>character slots ^_~
I have 2 accounts, and will update them all with every chapter. Lots of money on my half, but hey, that's what the game is worth to me.
I think that a lot of people are ungrateful for what we've been given, and they should look at all they ask for. I mean, you don't yell at your parents for not giving you everything you want, just because you want it. Then again, I'm seeing more and more of that happening these days :/
So, I'll be happy with 2 per expansion. 1 would be too little for me. But, with 2, I can see how the increasing returns will definately play out better : )
I mean, if you got 4 per expansion....4 in Ch1, 8 in Ch2, 12 in Ch3 (for 10 classes), 16 in Ch4 (for 12 classes), 20 in ch5 (for 14 class) and so on. It'd be unrealistic.
So, just be happy. I think all the people saying they won't buy will, when the time comes.
Oh yeah: content>character slots ^_~
Renegade ++RIP++
I wouldn't expect 4 per chapter.
I had expected normally 2 per chapter if there were only 2 new chars. But seeing that they offered 4 towards first time buyers I wouldn't find it fair if they offered only 2 to us return buyers if we combined it.
And you know the tactic of ask a lot to receive little... ask 4 and get 3...
I had expected normally 2 per chapter if there were only 2 new chars. But seeing that they offered 4 towards first time buyers I wouldn't find it fair if they offered only 2 to us return buyers if we combined it.
And you know the tactic of ask a lot to receive little... ask 4 and get 3...
LaserLight
The advantage is in the fact that rich people could have dozens of slots, and thus more storage for in-game riches, enabling them to hoard IG wealth more effectively than someone without the ability to buy the thirty or forty extra slots most people in this thread seem to want.
Bad analogy. Cars are undriveable without four tires. Factions is perfectly useable with less than four character slots. I picked 'radio' in my automotive analogy for a reason. If you must, the closest to crippling you could make that analogy is seats: thing's still drivebale and the seats you have are comfortable, but ye can't drag along quite so many people. And even then, seating is considered a standard component of a vehicle, whereas you only hope an abundance of slots is a standard component of the game.
There is no talking sense to people unwilling to hear it. The only IG-viable argument for extra slots - the matter of retaining Guild integrity - is countered by the argument that a merged game, while not quite as character-populous as spearate accounts, is a single complete game as opposed to a pair of lobotomized games. A combined-account (core profession) character is, quite simply, more powerful than a Factions-only version of the same character. My combined Ranger will have access to more skills and more play opportunities than a Factions-only Ranger. Peoples' stubborn refusal to see or acknowledge this is infuriating to the extreme for those of us who wish to enjoy a single, complete game as opposed to a cell-strucutred, splintered wreck of a game. Because, quite frankly, I flatly refuse, come Chapter Four, Five, or whatever, to have several partial accounts which are totally incapable of playing all available professions.
Trust me. People playing split accounts will regret it when each account only has access to an increasingly limited number of professions. Especially when certain cross-expansion profession combinations become critical to PvP and they suddenly find themselves outside the loop.
And if being light a few slots is a deal-breaker for them, well, I've come to the conclusion that the game is better off without people who only measure its worth in the number of characters they have to play a game they obviously don't care about, since if they did they would care just a bit more about the game itself.
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Is like a car dealer saying "You can only have 2 tires with this car because you already bought a car from us that had 4 tires, but if you kept the 2 cars in seperate garages we'll let you have all 4 tires." Sound ridiculous to you too? |
There is no talking sense to people unwilling to hear it. The only IG-viable argument for extra slots - the matter of retaining Guild integrity - is countered by the argument that a merged game, while not quite as character-populous as spearate accounts, is a single complete game as opposed to a pair of lobotomized games. A combined-account (core profession) character is, quite simply, more powerful than a Factions-only version of the same character. My combined Ranger will have access to more skills and more play opportunities than a Factions-only Ranger. Peoples' stubborn refusal to see or acknowledge this is infuriating to the extreme for those of us who wish to enjoy a single, complete game as opposed to a cell-strucutred, splintered wreck of a game. Because, quite frankly, I flatly refuse, come Chapter Four, Five, or whatever, to have several partial accounts which are totally incapable of playing all available professions.
Trust me. People playing split accounts will regret it when each account only has access to an increasingly limited number of professions. Especially when certain cross-expansion profession combinations become critical to PvP and they suddenly find themselves outside the loop.
And if being light a few slots is a deal-breaker for them, well, I've come to the conclusion that the game is better off without people who only measure its worth in the number of characters they have to play a game they obviously don't care about, since if they did they would care just a bit more about the game itself.
DJ Josh
quick question.
who said there would be 2 chars in each new chapter?i have yet to read about that.
how do we now that 1 chapter may not have more than 2 chars or even no new chars at all(maybe a chapter that just has direct storyline content for our existing chars).there are to many assumptions and rumours.so every 1 seems to just be guessing lets just all wait for the official word then decide what you want to do.as i always say each to there own.and as the man said it cost them a fair amount less to run gw than most other mmo's because of there technology and the way they are working it with the chapter tactic works out about the same.so if that is true then that must mean that they don't realy need you to buy multiple accounts its just a clever way of getting extra cash out of those who have it to throw away.now thats fine if thats what you want to do thats your choice myself i don't have much spare (after the family side of my life is sorted) to spend on multiple copy's of the same game.hmm just a thought but is that not an advantage some ppl have over me as they can afford to have all chars playable and i can't.so a.net have contradicted themselves on their stance of not giving ppl with money an advantage because they already have with this multi account deal.
who said there would be 2 chars in each new chapter?i have yet to read about that.
how do we now that 1 chapter may not have more than 2 chars or even no new chars at all(maybe a chapter that just has direct storyline content for our existing chars).there are to many assumptions and rumours.so every 1 seems to just be guessing lets just all wait for the official word then decide what you want to do.as i always say each to there own.and as the man said it cost them a fair amount less to run gw than most other mmo's because of there technology and the way they are working it with the chapter tactic works out about the same.so if that is true then that must mean that they don't realy need you to buy multiple accounts its just a clever way of getting extra cash out of those who have it to throw away.now thats fine if thats what you want to do thats your choice myself i don't have much spare (after the family side of my life is sorted) to spend on multiple copy's of the same game.hmm just a thought but is that not an advantage some ppl have over me as they can afford to have all chars playable and i can't.so a.net have contradicted themselves on their stance of not giving ppl with money an advantage because they already have with this multi account deal.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Renegade ++RIP++
I wouldn't expect 4 per chapter.
I had expected normally 2 per chapter if there were only 2 new chars. But seeing that they offered 4 towards first time buyers I wouldn't find it fair if they offered only 2 to us return buyers if we combined it. ... |
6 core professions plus the 2 new ones for 8 total professions
4 slots for 8 professions and you say it is unfair.
if we get 2 slots additional should a chapter 2 only buyer be forced to have only 2 slots for 8 professions?
EternalTempest
Here's how it stands now:
Stand Alone Chapter = 4 slots for (6 if chapter one) 8 jobs possible at any given time.
CX + CX = Base 4 slots plus one slot per other Chapter
So say I have five Chapters, 4 for a base, then four more making 8 slots open to you. So 5 chapters = 8 slots for 14 jobs you can choose from.
I would love to have two slots but from Anet no fee business model, I can't see them giving and having to store 14 slots if you have all there chapters as much as I would love to have them.
They gave us 4 slots for 6 chapters and pvp in Chapter one.
Stand Alone Chapter = 4 slots for (6 if chapter one) 8 jobs possible at any given time.
CX + CX = Base 4 slots plus one slot per other Chapter
So say I have five Chapters, 4 for a base, then four more making 8 slots open to you. So 5 chapters = 8 slots for 14 jobs you can choose from.
I would love to have two slots but from Anet no fee business model, I can't see them giving and having to store 14 slots if you have all there chapters as much as I would love to have them.
They gave us 4 slots for 6 chapters and pvp in Chapter one.
CKaz
Ok the first tool -
Last time I checked I don't pay my parents good money to play the game I bought. Boy people can't get the car with tires analogy yet are coming up with this crap?
Ah another person who can't read or didn't bother. WE DON'T WANT FOUR A CHAPTER. Keep it to the # of classes. Is that so hard? Do you understand how 4 was less than 6 in the original game? Do you see how linking our account and having full access to 8 but being left with 6 doesn't work for many, particularly those who want to PvP and/or play through the game with new players they get to join, without deleting 100s+ hour characters?
I'm sorry but how stupid is that? We're trying to state the problem and a bunch go 'uh duh d00d just deal'. If you can't get how being limited in your choices and how you can play doesn't in turn restrict the content you can enjoy I'm not sure what to do for you. On to the next tool.
Ah ok we will cater to the thick. Ok, so you want to bring along your family - wife, kids, whomever. Hey this is cool, a lot of us in this pickle have multiple accounts. Ok so... I no longer can drive around with the wife. Or my kids. Or all of them depending on how many seats GW wants to limit me too.
GW wants you to squeeze into their model and pay their fee. Want to bring the kids along? Buy a separate car? Umm wait wasn't the point was I was going to be able to play with them? Do you have to make me sell my car (read delete characters and/or buy a new account) I put my love sweat and tears into and has a lot of modifications I like (ie unlocks) to do what I want to do?
Speaking of nonsense and lobotomized... rotfl
OMG. We want this single experience game, and put the time into it.
We don't want to see that all go down the drain.
Meanwhile we start a new game with absolutely no room to grow, or its even too small to begin with.
You had to modify the original car analogy, how about a house? Now we have more individuals coming to live in it (assassin and ritualist) as part of the new content. There's new ways to play PvP as part of the new content. Why when you're already cramped to you move to a slightly bigger place with yet more people? Guess what you get?
Want me to draw a diagram for you?
None of us who are arguing for more linked slots want to do this, and where we have it's due to the fact ANet has crippled us in the first place. Yes, they are very bad people for wanting to play all the primary classes given and/or with other family members through pre-sear and the rest of the game when they joined up.
Lord knows I certainly won't miss you and the whole lot of you trolls who can't get these simple thoughts through your thick skulls, and keep posting to the contrary when there is really no point. Will you cry yourself to sleep if we get a couple more slots to handle the # of classes + pvp disparity?
It's been brought up for how silly really would it be if that mistake on ANet's part stopped a lot of people from being able to enjoy the game. We hope even though your small minds cannot fathom such scenarios, ANet might get it. How silly would it be for us just to let that happen and not mention it.
So we mention it and get an amazing amount of people posting to the contrary - not reading, not stepping out of their own little experience, not understanding we're not looking for a crazy # of slots here nor need to have a vast number of slots for each expansion.
This isn't about you - you're set with slots, wth are you posting so much?
This isn't about me - I just relate because I'm against the wall as well.
And I've already paid twice as much as you (an account for my wife), some of those concerned have 4 accounts among the household. Oh wow, they play different than you. I guess they must be deviants for needing a certain level of value or consideration to fork over another $200, like I do for $100.
The games better off with out us blah blah blah, I mean what kinda crap is that. You don't know me and I don't know you - I just know you're ignorant.
I'd rather continue to play. I'd rather ANet sit up and take notice.
But no I won't continue on 2 more slots and I'll make someone IRL friends who will continue very happy and/or consider selling my account after finishing my last 14 Ranger unlocks if it comes to that.
It was poor design at inception to make people use 3 slots for unlocks and be left with one (hey pvp) - 'look Ma, no choices!' Add one variable into the mix (ie play with my wife through pve and make a monk which I hadnt had) and you're short. So hey go figure, 1-2 slots adding 2 new characters doesn't look all that great does it? Once again you're already behind.
Bring it up and I'm a noise making, ungrateful person you're better off without as there is no talking sense to me. We all are who come from different gaming experiences. Heaven forbid we try to get a game we're not forced to delete characters to enjoy the different classes, areas, and experiences the game is supposed to offer. Obviously we were the types to whine to our parents, and represent All That is Not Good in the World (TM).
Whatever. If the fool tools win so be it, there really are a LOT of other games. We're one day away from pre-order box availability and we still don't know how they're going to treat it. I'm just about burnt out anyways.
They just need to fix how Prophecies was out of wack to begin with.
2 with 1-2 just pvp would even be a better move than just 1-2.
But why should you penalize those who want one of each primary, particularly as I can't really think of any game I wasn't able to do that with that's similiar to this one? But alas we're just bad people so don't mind me
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Originally Posted by TGgold
I think that a lot of people are ungrateful for what we've been given, and they should look at all they ask for. I mean, you don't yell at your parents for not giving you everything you want, just because you want it. Then again, I'm seeing more and more of that happening these days :/
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Originally Posted by TGgold
I mean, if you got 4 per expansion....4 in Ch1, 8 in Ch2, 12 in Ch3 (for 10 classes), 16 in Ch4 (for 12 classes), 20 in ch5 (for 14 class) and so on. It'd be unrealistic.
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Originally Posted by TGgold
So, just be happy. I think all the people saying they won't buy will, when the time comes.
Oh yeah: content>character slots ^_~ |
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Originally Posted by LaserLight
Bad analogy. Cars are undriveable without four tires. Factions is perfectly useable with less than four character slots. I picked 'radio' in my automotive analogy for a reason. If you must, the closest to crippling you could make that analogy is seats: thing's still drivebale and the seats you have are comfortable, but ye can't drag along quite so many people. And even then, seating is considered a standard component of a vehicle, whereas you only hope an abundance of slots is a standard component of the game.
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GW wants you to squeeze into their model and pay their fee. Want to bring the kids along? Buy a separate car? Umm wait wasn't the point was I was going to be able to play with them? Do you have to make me sell my car (read delete characters and/or buy a new account) I put my love sweat and tears into and has a lot of modifications I like (ie unlocks) to do what I want to do?
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Originally Posted by LaserLight
There is no talking sense to people unwilling to hear it. The only IG-viable argument for extra slots - the matter of retaining Guild integrity - is countered by the argument that a merged game, while not quite as character-populous as spearate accounts, is a single complete game as opposed to a pair of lobotomized games. A combined-account (core profession) character is, quite simply, more powerful than a Factions-only version of the same character. My combined Ranger will have access to more skills and more play opportunities than a Factions-only Ranger. Peoples' stubborn refusal to see or acknowledge this is infuriating to the extreme for those of us who wish to enjoy a single, complete game as opposed to a cell-strucutred, splintered wreck of a game. Because, quite frankly, I flatly refuse, come Chapter Four, Five, or whatever, to have several partial accounts which are totally incapable of playing all available professions.
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OMG. We want this single experience game, and put the time into it.
We don't want to see that all go down the drain.
Meanwhile we start a new game with absolutely no room to grow, or its even too small to begin with.
You had to modify the original car analogy, how about a house? Now we have more individuals coming to live in it (assassin and ritualist) as part of the new content. There's new ways to play PvP as part of the new content. Why when you're already cramped to you move to a slightly bigger place with yet more people? Guess what you get?
Want me to draw a diagram for you?
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Originally Posted by LaserLight
Trust me. People playing split accounts will regret it when each account only has access to an increasingly limited number of professions. Especially when certain cross-expansion profession combinations become critical to PvP and they suddenly find themselves outside the loop.
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Originally Posted by LaserLight
And if being light a few slots is a deal-breaker for them, well, I've come to the conclusion that the game is better off without people who only measure its worth in the number of characters they have to play a game they obviously don't care about, since if they did they would care just a bit more about the game itself.
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It's been brought up for how silly really would it be if that mistake on ANet's part stopped a lot of people from being able to enjoy the game. We hope even though your small minds cannot fathom such scenarios, ANet might get it. How silly would it be for us just to let that happen and not mention it.
So we mention it and get an amazing amount of people posting to the contrary - not reading, not stepping out of their own little experience, not understanding we're not looking for a crazy # of slots here nor need to have a vast number of slots for each expansion.
This isn't about you - you're set with slots, wth are you posting so much?
This isn't about me - I just relate because I'm against the wall as well.
And I've already paid twice as much as you (an account for my wife), some of those concerned have 4 accounts among the household. Oh wow, they play different than you. I guess they must be deviants for needing a certain level of value or consideration to fork over another $200, like I do for $100.
The games better off with out us blah blah blah, I mean what kinda crap is that. You don't know me and I don't know you - I just know you're ignorant.
I'd rather continue to play. I'd rather ANet sit up and take notice.
But no I won't continue on 2 more slots and I'll make someone IRL friends who will continue very happy and/or consider selling my account after finishing my last 14 Ranger unlocks if it comes to that.
It was poor design at inception to make people use 3 slots for unlocks and be left with one (hey pvp) - 'look Ma, no choices!' Add one variable into the mix (ie play with my wife through pve and make a monk which I hadnt had) and you're short. So hey go figure, 1-2 slots adding 2 new characters doesn't look all that great does it? Once again you're already behind.
Bring it up and I'm a noise making, ungrateful person you're better off without as there is no talking sense to me. We all are who come from different gaming experiences. Heaven forbid we try to get a game we're not forced to delete characters to enjoy the different classes, areas, and experiences the game is supposed to offer. Obviously we were the types to whine to our parents, and represent All That is Not Good in the World (TM).
Whatever. If the fool tools win so be it, there really are a LOT of other games. We're one day away from pre-order box availability and we still don't know how they're going to treat it. I'm just about burnt out anyways.
They just need to fix how Prophecies was out of wack to begin with.
2 with 1-2 just pvp would even be a better move than just 1-2.
But why should you penalize those who want one of each primary, particularly as I can't really think of any game I wasn't able to do that with that's similiar to this one? But alas we're just bad people so don't mind me
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by CKaz
Ah ok we will cater to the thick. Ok, so you want to bring along your family - wife, kids, whomever. Hey this is cool, a lot of us in this pickle have multiple accounts. Ok so... I no longer can drive around with the wife. Or my kids. Or all of them depending on how many seats GW wants to limit me too. GW wants you to squeeze into their model and pay their fee. Want to bring the kids along? Buy a separate car? Umm wait wasn't the point was I was going to be able to play with them? Do you have to make me sell my car (read delete characters and/or buy a new account) I put my love sweat and tears into and has a lot of modifications I like (ie unlocks) to do what I want to do? : |
I THINK A SERIOUS BASIC MISUNDERSTANDING IS GOING ON HERE.
to play with the wife and kids you need a separate account for each of them and a pc to run it as 2 people cant log on at once to the same account.
you CKaz get 2 new slots covering the new professions without even touching a long term chapter 1 character.
your wife gets the same 2 new slots when you upgrade her account so you can play together and she does not have to touch a single chapter 1 old friend.
what am i missing from this as it looks as though if we get a slot for each new profession it is holding what we have and adding without losing anything.
how does this separate you from still playing with the wife?
something is missing and i admit i dont see it
The Great Al
TGold, no one ever said 4 per expansion, that will eventually be way too much. I just want enough that I feel that I'm getting as much of a value out of my $50 as someone who is using it as a standalone, and right now that isn't the case.
Lasareth
Here you guys go:
the official word
the official word
LaserLight
I had a big flame-riddled post typed up, but decided against it in the end. Especially as I managed to refresh in time to note that Gaile Has Spoken.
So. To all you Ensabahs and Ckazes and the like who are now, by their own sworn word, done with Guild Wars, see ya later! Go enjoy all those other grind-happy, seniority-based, monthly-fee'ed MMOs you keep saying are such better products than a slot-less Guild Wars.
As for the rest of us, we'll enjoy our new continent minus those who refuse to see past the log-in screen when determining if a game has value or not.
So. To all you Ensabahs and Ckazes and the like who are now, by their own sworn word, done with Guild Wars, see ya later! Go enjoy all those other grind-happy, seniority-based, monthly-fee'ed MMOs you keep saying are such better products than a slot-less Guild Wars.
As for the rest of us, we'll enjoy our new continent minus those who refuse to see past the log-in screen when determining if a game has value or not.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Lasareth
Here you guys go:
the official word |
Gaile and the frog have spoken and i thank you for bringing the glad tidings.
i would have happily played with one and am very happy with two.
makes note to find the rest of that frog talk
Malchior Devenholm
O TY GOD!
I now have room for both professions+an extra slot for PVP-YES YES YES YES YES
I now have room for both professions+an extra slot for PVP-YES YES YES YES YES
Ensabah Nur
Well I see Anet has decided to shaft the majority of previous customers of thier product. Thanks Anet, it was fun while it lasted.
Mordakai
close thread.
Ensabah Nur
No, we're better off with a slot to play each primary in all content/chapters( I don't PvP at all as previously stated)
Yes, close thread. It's pointless now since Anet didn't listen to the majority of potential consumers. Matane-
Yes, close thread. It's pointless now since Anet didn't listen to the majority of potential consumers. Matane-
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Ensabah Nur
It's pointless now since Anet didn't listen to the majority of potential consumers. Matane-
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note that most guru posters are not mad as well
just a few
Ensabah Nur
Yea well as I stated before "Fools and thier money are soon parted." -Unknown
Slice it anyway you want to, fact is Anet is walking out on the majority of the people that brought them to the dance.
My main concern with Anets bad decision is how this will affect guilds, there will be guild members now that buy Factions and keep it seperate to get all 8 slots and be in a different guild than they would be in if they linked. Thereby ruining many of the current guilds by splitting them up. Good job on encouraging Guilds,teamwork and Co-op play Anet. If they gave us 8 total slots either way this wouldn't be an issue.
Slice it anyway you want to, fact is Anet is walking out on the majority of the people that brought them to the dance.
My main concern with Anets bad decision is how this will affect guilds, there will be guild members now that buy Factions and keep it seperate to get all 8 slots and be in a different guild than they would be in if they linked. Thereby ruining many of the current guilds by splitting them up. Good job on encouraging Guilds,teamwork and Co-op play Anet. If they gave us 8 total slots either way this wouldn't be an issue.
Lasher Dragon
I guess I just don't understand why we can't have 1 slot for each profession, and an extra slot for PVP only. Seems so logical...
Gli
Oh well... I wonder what a 100% unlocked account will land me on eBay.
Katari
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
that has been shot down by Anet as giving people with money an advantage over people who do not have money for the extra slots.
been shot down many times already. |
-Some of the above may be sarcasm.
Katari
Arrgh, what is wrong with the forums tonight?
The Great Al
the only reason some people are 'relieved' is because Anet originally stated, or it was stated somewhere, that we were getting 1 slot, which is ridiculous. 2 slots is still subpar, and is only making some people happy because they originally heard '1 slot only'
Ensabah Nur
*Begin Dilemma*
Leader of Guild speaking to guild members:
If you aren't aware yet Anet has decided to decrease the number of character slots from 4 to 2 if we combine Factions with Prophecies. This will mean that some guild members may choose to keep GWF seperate from GWP. Those members won't be able to be in the current incarnation of this guild with those new GWF characters. Thereby essentially splitting with/leaving the guild. I have no intention of running 2 seperate guilds one for GWP(GWP&GWF combined) and one for GWF alone. Nor buying another cape, guild hall etc. not to mention keeping track of 2 seperate rosters.
I do know I've worked hard over the last *however long*(in my case 10+ years. yes way before Anet even existed) to keep our guild going, just as most of you have worked hard since you've joined our guild. I don't want to see Anet screw this guild up we've put too much effort & time into it.
*End Dilemma*
As you can clearly see Anets decision may cause harm by weakening guilds through seperation. If they gave us 8 total character slots either way there would be no reason whatsoever not to combine GWF with GWP and therefore less chances of ruining guilds in this manner. Still think it was a good decision?
Leader of Guild speaking to guild members:
If you aren't aware yet Anet has decided to decrease the number of character slots from 4 to 2 if we combine Factions with Prophecies. This will mean that some guild members may choose to keep GWF seperate from GWP. Those members won't be able to be in the current incarnation of this guild with those new GWF characters. Thereby essentially splitting with/leaving the guild. I have no intention of running 2 seperate guilds one for GWP(GWP&GWF combined) and one for GWF alone. Nor buying another cape, guild hall etc. not to mention keeping track of 2 seperate rosters.
I do know I've worked hard over the last *however long*(in my case 10+ years. yes way before Anet even existed) to keep our guild going, just as most of you have worked hard since you've joined our guild. I don't want to see Anet screw this guild up we've put too much effort & time into it.
*End Dilemma*
As you can clearly see Anets decision may cause harm by weakening guilds through seperation. If they gave us 8 total character slots either way there would be no reason whatsoever not to combine GWF with GWP and therefore less chances of ruining guilds in this manner. Still think it was a good decision?
LaserLight
Simple. Actually, I discussed this real-time with several people in LA Int. D1, after Gaile left, and we pretty much nailed down what has to be Anet's reasoning. Or at least is as close as I believe we'll get to their reasoning.
It is very much not cost-effective for Anet to offer an overabundance of character slots. Now wait a sec! In this case, I'm going to describe an overabundance as more than the number of primary classes +2 for those weird people who need two PvP slots.
Now, given that...Anet can't give four slots to people upgrading their Prophecies accounts, because if they did, they would then have stablished a precedent for four slots in future expansion-like things. This seems like an awesome idea on the surface...until you realize that managing data for accounts which, over the course of just four expansions, will contain sixteen characters is getting unwieldy. Let it continue much past four and unwieldy becomes intolerable. As for retaining those slots via separate accounts...those are separate accounts. There's no drastic server load for storing and switching thirty-character keys around various nationality servers, nor is there as big a hassle as there would be trying to tie that many characters into a single staggeringly large account.
I'm aware I'm going to be slapped hard for this, but it has to be one of, if not the, reason Anet won't release more than two slots a chapter. And really, when you have twenty-eight slots for thirty professions, are you honestly telling me you're going to need a slot for every single one of them?
It is very much not cost-effective for Anet to offer an overabundance of character slots. Now wait a sec! In this case, I'm going to describe an overabundance as more than the number of primary classes +2 for those weird people who need two PvP slots.
Now, given that...Anet can't give four slots to people upgrading their Prophecies accounts, because if they did, they would then have stablished a precedent for four slots in future expansion-like things. This seems like an awesome idea on the surface...until you realize that managing data for accounts which, over the course of just four expansions, will contain sixteen characters is getting unwieldy. Let it continue much past four and unwieldy becomes intolerable. As for retaining those slots via separate accounts...those are separate accounts. There's no drastic server load for storing and switching thirty-character keys around various nationality servers, nor is there as big a hassle as there would be trying to tie that many characters into a single staggeringly large account.
I'm aware I'm going to be slapped hard for this, but it has to be one of, if not the, reason Anet won't release more than two slots a chapter. And really, when you have twenty-eight slots for thirty professions, are you honestly telling me you're going to need a slot for every single one of them?
Lady Lozza
/dance
Yay! Two slots
1 ritualist, 1 for re-making my original ranger, 1 pvp/test pve char, 3 original
Ensabah, while I understand what you are getting at, most players who want 1:1 slots vs professions, already have two accounts. If they are not already in the guild with both accounts then maybe they don't want to be.
Yay! Two slots
1 ritualist, 1 for re-making my original ranger, 1 pvp/test pve char, 3 original
Ensabah, while I understand what you are getting at, most players who want 1:1 slots vs professions, already have two accounts. If they are not already in the guild with both accounts then maybe they don't want to be.
EternalTempest
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensabah Nur
If you aren't aware yet Anet has decided to decrease the number of character slots from 4 to 2.
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In fact, all along they hinted at least *one* maybe more. They have confirmed they are giving us 2 instead of 1.
I infact, share my single account with my wife, we each have two slots, now we each have 3 slots.
Even in chapter 1, they gave you four slots for 6 professions. They are keeping the same ratio 6 slots for 8 professions (unless you want to split your account).
Thank you Anet for giving us 2 slots, you have kept me very happy.
LaserLight
Hell, they're actually giving us a better ratio, Tempest.
4/6 simplifies to 2/3
6/8 simplifies to 3/4
2/3 < 3/4
Of course, people don't realize/want to admit that in their fervor to demonize Anet, but we're really getting a deal here, fellas. Whether you'll admit it or not.
4/6 simplifies to 2/3
6/8 simplifies to 3/4
2/3 < 3/4
Of course, people don't realize/want to admit that in their fervor to demonize Anet, but we're really getting a deal here, fellas. Whether you'll admit it or not.
CorstedPirate
The ratio will only contiue to get better as long as it is 2 slots per chapter. I would have been unhappy with only one new slot. Just one wouldn't have allowed much room to experiment, 2 leaves lots of room.
I do know I've worked hard over the last *however long*(in my case 10+ years. yes way before Anet even existed) to keep our guild going, just as most of you have worked hard since you've joined our guild. I don't want to see Anet screw this guild up we've put too much effort & time into it. If that is enough to break up your guild, sorry, but it is amazing you've stayed together as long as you claim. Most won't break up over it, I don't think. Most people are pretty happy about 2 slots actually. Regardless of all the talk that it would only be 1.
As you can clearly see Anets decision may cause harm by weakening guilds through seperation. If they gave us 8 total character slots either way there would be no reason whatsoever not to combine GWF with GWP and therefore less chances of ruining guilds in this manner. Still think it was a good decision? I think it is a fabulous decision. Those people that absolutely have to have one of each main profession have purchased additional accounts. They can continue to do the same. If anyone had that big of an issue with it, they probally would not have purchased the game to begin with.
I do know I've worked hard over the last *however long*(in my case 10+ years. yes way before Anet even existed) to keep our guild going, just as most of you have worked hard since you've joined our guild. I don't want to see Anet screw this guild up we've put too much effort & time into it. If that is enough to break up your guild, sorry, but it is amazing you've stayed together as long as you claim. Most won't break up over it, I don't think. Most people are pretty happy about 2 slots actually. Regardless of all the talk that it would only be 1.
As you can clearly see Anets decision may cause harm by weakening guilds through seperation. If they gave us 8 total character slots either way there would be no reason whatsoever not to combine GWF with GWP and therefore less chances of ruining guilds in this manner. Still think it was a good decision? I think it is a fabulous decision. Those people that absolutely have to have one of each main profession have purchased additional accounts. They can continue to do the same. If anyone had that big of an issue with it, they probally would not have purchased the game to begin with.
SaucE
I would rather be able to put 6 characters through both worlds than to have 4 characters in each of the worlds. 2 more slots is all I need cause I have already come to the conclusion I do not like playing as a Monk or Ele. So 2 more for the 2 new professions is all me needs.
/me is very excited with all the recent news
/me is very excited with all the recent news
Starsky-sama
guys should check out gwonline.net forum.
a lot more negativity there than here for sure.
theyll be losing quite a few ppl. (so those players say. If those players actually believe what their saying or just venting out their anger at that time)
/me. Im content atm.
a lot more negativity there than here for sure.
theyll be losing quite a few ppl. (so those players say. If those players actually believe what their saying or just venting out their anger at that time)
/me. Im content atm.