this is something i heard of recently, and it really bothered me that no one has come forth and outright explained how it is done. bunch of SCAMMERS IMHO.
edit; too many ppl thinking this knowledge will just make things worse.
how to test UNIDENTIFIED weapons for certain mods, without using an ID kit
treserious
Detis Zan
there's not much to do with this knowledge since mods these days are very cheap.
Besides from that who buys unid stuff anymore? It seems people want the item they want right there before bothering to gamble on it.
Besides from that who buys unid stuff anymore? It seems people want the item they want right there before bothering to gamble on it.
Apple
Way to ruin an entire sector of the economy.
Shimus DarkRaven
I think people needed this. People will argue it will "drop economy" but that just means they can't sell the regular mods themselves, so they lend it to a chance and a high price. Educating the masses is always good, to keep them up with current trends in the market so they don't get drowned out or scammed over.
Cool beans, my fellow teacher.
--The Shim
Cool beans, my fellow teacher.--The Shim
Juicey Shake
I WILL CONTINUE TO ID MY WEAPONS.
Collector's for me, thanks. You can all keep your already figured-out un-id'd weapons!
Collector's for me, thanks. You can all keep your already figured-out un-id'd weapons!
XvArchonvX
Wow, I never knew that. Luckily, I never buy un-IDed itemsto beging with and I don't think I would ever use that, but thnx for publishing it.
Deathqueen
I never bought an unidentified item either. Always felt it was a scam from the beginning. Glad to read how to test them though, but, I've always identified what I find anyway.
Helios
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treserious
^^^^^^^^^agreed
thats why i posted this, its a tactic used by the savvy to get rich, and get richer.
it is a main tactic used by gold farmers to sell on ebay.
this knowledge does not harm the casual honest player.
it only hurts scammers that their gig is up.
im not crying over the death of this "sector of the economy", based entirely on scamming IMHO
thats why i posted this, its a tactic used by the savvy to get rich, and get richer.
it is a main tactic used by gold farmers to sell on ebay.
this knowledge does not harm the casual honest player.
it only hurts scammers that their gig is up.
im not crying over the death of this "sector of the economy", based entirely on scamming IMHO
SaintGreg
The masses doesn't read guild wars guru, especially not this one thread out of hundereds. If anything you have probably helped people that sell unid'ed stuff more than you have than hurt them. Although I'm guessing the majority of people who sell unided weapons already do this.
Keep in mind you can test for every single prefix, suffix, and innate modifiers. Although for most you will probably only get the value to within a few % of accurate, you can find the type after a long enough search. It would be pretty hard to narrow down the exact type sometimes - quick recovery would be tough and annoying, so would +armor vs specific damage, staff wrappings with +1 attribute etc; but it could be done.
Keep in mind you can test for every single prefix, suffix, and innate modifiers. Although for most you will probably only get the value to within a few % of accurate, you can find the type after a long enough search. It would be pretty hard to narrow down the exact type sometimes - quick recovery would be tough and annoying, so would +armor vs specific damage, staff wrappings with +1 attribute etc; but it could be done.
Gildor Took
buying unid items use to be a reputable "sector of the economy" before the days of faction points. Nowadays people just buy unid weapons because its risky and that chance to get that uber 15>50 chaos axe is enough for them to gamble all their gold. Good idea to tell these sort of ppl that gamble that 9 out of 10 times they will get ripped off.
VGJustice
Hmmm.... I'm imagining a conversation like this now:
Seller: WTS Gold Un-ID'd Horn Bow, it has +30 Health Mod and +15%^50!
Buyer: May I test that bow before I buy it?
Seller: What? So you can just run with it?
Buyer: Then how am I supposed to know what it has? Take your word for it while you take my money?
Obviously, the conversation declines at this point. Personally, if I can't read what it does, I don't buy. Forget it.
Seller: WTS Gold Un-ID'd Horn Bow, it has +30 Health Mod and +15%^50!
Buyer: May I test that bow before I buy it?
Seller: What? So you can just run with it?
Buyer: Then how am I supposed to know what it has? Take your word for it while you take my money?
Obviously, the conversation declines at this point. Personally, if I can't read what it does, I don't buy. Forget it.
Manic Smile
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Linsys
Hey this is GREAT info... if I get an item from UW or FoW I always debate about weather or not I'm gonna ID the item.... this will definatly come in usefull.
tripplesix
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lol...based off of people dumb enough to buy unided stuff...old news
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Manic Smile
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Hey this is GREAT info... if I get an item from UW or FoW I always debate about weather or not I'm gonna ID the item.... this will definatly come in usefull.
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Deathqueen
I've already started broadcasting ingame that it's a scam so word will get around and I play quite a lot so I can hit all the prime times. I wouldn't say just because it's posted here hardly anyone will know about it.
Manic Smile
since so many unid sellers are bots anyway have fun...
Me NoFat
I am a seller of Un'id weapons. I can honestly say that even though I know how to id them I never waste the time unless it is something I want like a Chaos Axe or Storm Bow. Then I don't bother testing it I just ID it. I am sure that there are scammers out there but I am not one of them and even at 1k - 3k per un'id weapon I am still making out better than merching them.
I look at it like the lottery if your buying the Un'Id weapon. If you buy from me you might take home a 15^50 with good mods or you might get a +fire magic -1 shield. One is very lucky and the other is very unlucky (unless your current shield sucks
). Usually you end up with a max weapon that has ok stats and less than perfect mods which means you loose try again.
Doing this offers the casual player that does not farm the chance to either strike it rich or have that perfect weapon they have always wanted.
Also unless it is a Rare (Storm Bow, Chaos Axe, Eternal Shield, etc..) never pay more than 5k for an un'id weapon. Most people sell them around 3K.
I would like to mention that as long as your name is not Apple I will probably buy an un'id weapon from you. I like to play the lottery as much as run it. I have actually won a Max 15^50 Storm Bow this way.
I look at it like the lottery if your buying the Un'Id weapon. If you buy from me you might take home a 15^50 with good mods or you might get a +fire magic -1 shield. One is very lucky and the other is very unlucky (unless your current shield sucks
). Usually you end up with a max weapon that has ok stats and less than perfect mods which means you loose try again. Doing this offers the casual player that does not farm the chance to either strike it rich or have that perfect weapon they have always wanted.
Also unless it is a Rare (Storm Bow, Chaos Axe, Eternal Shield, etc..) never pay more than 5k for an un'id weapon. Most people sell them around 3K.
I would like to mention that as long as your name is not Apple I will probably buy an un'id weapon from you. I like to play the lottery as much as run it. I have actually won a Max 15^50 Storm Bow this way.
Manic Smile
meh...why risk a scam ontop of a crap weapon roll?
X_Badb_Catha_X
From my own perspective. I wont touch an item that has not been identified. I've seen players trying to sell unidentified shields in game for 5K a shield. I think anyone who would take their word for what it's suppose to have on it is a idiot.
gotenks
A simple update from Anet will fix this.. I will report it as soon as I get a chance or am in the mood of typing some more 
Maxiemonster
I've bought so many unidentified items that had perfect mods on it that were worth much more then I payed. I don't think this "trick" is worth it at all unless it's an item like a Chaos Axe, Crystalline Sword etc. I've tried this, but it took me like 1.5 hours to actually get an idea of what mods it had.
LifeInfusion
only Unided things worth buying are unided runes...IMO
Why? Because you know it has to be one of the type aka if it is UNided superior vigor, it will always be unided superior vigor. If it is unided warrior superior rune, it will have to be one of five attributes of the warrior. Very straightforward.
Why? Because you know it has to be one of the type aka if it is UNided superior vigor, it will always be unided superior vigor. If it is unided warrior superior rune, it will have to be one of five attributes of the warrior. Very straightforward.
SilentAssassin
ppl who buy un-id stuff are just stupid...
AxeMe
Interestingly enough, one of the most expensive mods - 10/10 sundering - is impossible to identify on an weapon, at least in my own testing.
That, of course, also says a lot about the real worth (or lack of it) for that mod. I've never been a fan of it.
However, from a trader's standpoint, it does sell for quite a bit.
I generally am able to figure out most mods and could even - as others have said here - get a rough idea of the inherent damage mod (i.e. 50^50, etc) with enough testing. When I tried that, I simply compared the damage to a known weapon that - like the unidentified one - had not been customized. It's not perfectly accurate but does give a pretty good notion. It takes way too long to do routinely.
So, also like others here, that got to be too much trouble. I generally identify weapons and sell them that way. When I do sell an unidentified weapon, I sell it very inexpensively.
That, of course, also says a lot about the real worth (or lack of it) for that mod. I've never been a fan of it.
However, from a trader's standpoint, it does sell for quite a bit.
I generally am able to figure out most mods and could even - as others have said here - get a rough idea of the inherent damage mod (i.e. 50^50, etc) with enough testing. When I tried that, I simply compared the damage to a known weapon that - like the unidentified one - had not been customized. It's not perfectly accurate but does give a pretty good notion. It takes way too long to do routinely.
So, also like others here, that got to be too much trouble. I generally identify weapons and sell them that way. When I do sell an unidentified weapon, I sell it very inexpensively.
pearhk
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said SilentAssassin AFTER he saw this thread
MadOnion
I think A-Net just needs to make it so that mods on un-IDed weapons have no effect (until identified).
Lady Frost Bite
if you buy an un-id weapon or shield or whatever then you know you have to take what you get reguardless of what it is. not many people who are selling un-id items are going to let you have them just to "test" them. this thread just promotes more scamming if you really think about it. and really whats the big deal anyway a id kit is only 100 gold.
vncanadian
yes stupid and i have once fallen under the spell of buying cheap and getting lucky
but no more
thank for this enlightenment ;' ]
but no more
thank for this enlightenment ;' ]
The Herbalizer
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treserious
the point of this thread is that i hope enough ppl will realise how this works, and complain to anet about it. it needs to be nerfed. its just another gamble, with the odds rigged for the house. it is an unfair practice, as most unident sellers do this.
you could test for a %^50, % while enchant or stance, in a matter of seconds, with no margin of error.
any health, vamp, -damage, energy, casting speed, recharge, etc can easily be tested for, others take a little more work.
any item can be tested for most mods in under 2 minutes, so it is not a waste of time, nor is it time consuming.
there are alot of unident sales going on, and i can make an educated guess that most of the items have been tested, so in turn, those buyers are likely being duped.
on another note, if Anet were to fix this so that item mods have no effect before identification, I believe that it would either rejuvinate the market for unidentified items as the gamble would not be in the favor of the house truly making it the luck of the draw, or it would encourage farmers to ident the items themselves.
you could test for a %^50, % while enchant or stance, in a matter of seconds, with no margin of error.
any health, vamp, -damage, energy, casting speed, recharge, etc can easily be tested for, others take a little more work.
any item can be tested for most mods in under 2 minutes, so it is not a waste of time, nor is it time consuming.
there are alot of unident sales going on, and i can make an educated guess that most of the items have been tested, so in turn, those buyers are likely being duped.
on another note, if Anet were to fix this so that item mods have no effect before identification, I believe that it would either rejuvinate the market for unidentified items as the gamble would not be in the favor of the house truly making it the luck of the draw, or it would encourage farmers to ident the items themselves.
Saider maul
NIce Job. I occasionally buy unided items, more for fun or to make room for more k. I do think a patch is in order so they can't see or feel the effects until after it ided. Also about 80% of those selling these items are bot farming guild Who can be found in international district coming in and out filling their mules up and then selling off the junk for 5-25k an item. Kinda ripping you both ways on market and on the lottery.
Why do i know this. I have been watching them taking names and turning them in once I see the bots running in the room. one quick screen shot and a report ,boom day or 2 later they are no longer around.
Greed ruins this game and is the root of the market prices. why rip people off.
isn't it bad enough solo is minimally profitable compared to the days of old.
( you still can make a decent earning from solo )
Why do i know this. I have been watching them taking names and turning them in once I see the bots running in the room. one quick screen shot and a report ,boom day or 2 later they are no longer around.
Greed ruins this game and is the root of the market prices. why rip people off.
isn't it bad enough solo is minimally profitable compared to the days of old.
( you still can make a decent earning from solo )
Saider maul
1 quick question. Is it apropreate to post the names of verified bot users from the trade market so people don't get ripped, and it also lets their name be known so if they are cheating people it may curb their buisness practices.
A simple yes or no is all i ask from managment.
A simple yes or no is all i ask from managment.
Sol_Vie
You're not allowed to post names. No ifs ands or buts.
Sometimes the seller is the one taking the risk. Ask MeNo Fat said, sometimes you can walk away with a really nice item. I've only ever sold one, maybe two unID weapons. The only thing I test them for is the -5 energy dmg mod and an HP mod. Other than that, I do no other testing. However, how am I to know that when I sell a sword or a bow that it doesn't have some other mod on it that is worth more than my life? Even with testing out there, buying unID weapons is still an option. Besides, you can unlock some nice weapon mods with it.
Sometimes the seller is the one taking the risk. Ask MeNo Fat said, sometimes you can walk away with a really nice item. I've only ever sold one, maybe two unID weapons. The only thing I test them for is the -5 energy dmg mod and an HP mod. Other than that, I do no other testing. However, how am I to know that when I sell a sword or a bow that it doesn't have some other mod on it that is worth more than my life? Even with testing out there, buying unID weapons is still an option. Besides, you can unlock some nice weapon mods with it.
Sister Spice
I dont buy un-id'ed items because I don't play PVP
But I thought I read something that said that you needed to identify a weapon or mod *yourself* to unlock it for PVP. So if you bought something that was already id'd you couldnt use it in PVP. Was that wrong?
Or does the whole faction thing allow you to buy those same mods and that's why it's no longer necessary?
Sorry if it's a stupid question - but if other people are labouring under the same misunderstanding as me, and DO play PVP, then I assume they could easily buy unid'd items for the wrong reasons.
Spicecat
But I thought I read something that said that you needed to identify a weapon or mod *yourself* to unlock it for PVP. So if you bought something that was already id'd you couldnt use it in PVP. Was that wrong?
Or does the whole faction thing allow you to buy those same mods and that's why it's no longer necessary?
Sorry if it's a stupid question - but if other people are labouring under the same misunderstanding as me, and DO play PVP, then I assume they could easily buy unid'd items for the wrong reasons.
Spicecat
Malchior Devenholm
I weapon bought IDED can be used in PVP if u drop it in ur storage, ur PVP character can pick it up there, BUT IT CANT B CUSTOMIZED, therefore making it weaker than all the PVP weapons...
U can also buy PVP weapon components, skills, runes with faction
If u ID a weapon and get a mod u haven't unlocked, it will now b available for customization of all ur pvp characters...
As for this thread...IM GLAD THE WORLD NOW KNOWS...of course now the UNID market is screwed, but im willing to live with that, it aint hard to get 1-2k faction and get those weapon parts nyway
U can also buy PVP weapon components, skills, runes with faction
If u ID a weapon and get a mod u haven't unlocked, it will now b available for customization of all ur pvp characters...
As for this thread...IM GLAD THE WORLD NOW KNOWS...of course now the UNID market is screwed, but im willing to live with that, it aint hard to get 1-2k faction and get those weapon parts nyway
twicky_kid
I find this very unethical to check the unided before you sell them. If you are selling them unided then you accept the risk of losing a good item.
I do sell unided items that I find myself and I never check them. I will only sell unided if I have found them myself as well. I think this should be changed as it does exploit people. If an item is unided then it should be unknown so its fair to the buyer and seller.
I do sell unided items that I find myself and I never check them. I will only sell unided if I have found them myself as well. I think this should be changed as it does exploit people. If an item is unided then it should be unknown so its fair to the buyer and seller.
SilentAssassin
I often tried to sell an unid though without knowing how to do this stuff...
95% of the time even golden weapons are worthless, if som1 buys an unid weapon from me I just think to myself "he is rich, dumb or his girlfriend just came by"
its nice of you to tell stuff like this, never knew you could do stuff like this... not that it bothers me (who would buy a fellblade for 80k???? )
95% of the time even golden weapons are worthless, if som1 buys an unid weapon from me I just think to myself "he is rich, dumb or his girlfriend just came by"
its nice of you to tell stuff like this, never knew you could do stuff like this... not that it bothers me (who would buy a fellblade for 80k???? )
Akhilleus
i too think it needs to be nerfed, but i think you should be banned for making it public.
this is used for 1 purpose and 1 purpose only; people selling unid weapons sell them knowing they are worthless, and the buyer unsuspectingly buys the item in the hopes it will turn out good, only to descover they wasted their money. so good job on assisting countless people to scam others.
this is used for 1 purpose and 1 purpose only; people selling unid weapons sell them knowing they are worthless, and the buyer unsuspectingly buys the item in the hopes it will turn out good, only to descover they wasted their money. so good job on assisting countless people to scam others.