This weekend is sucking so far

im having a really hard time getting faction with all my CA teams consisting of only assassins and ritualist, which both are completely garbage classes so far, and it seems im always stuck with the people who are playing for free
im getting tired of these A-Holes with SS builds picking on these newbs, im trying to kill a monk and i see my 3 assassin teammates die like insects being crushed by a boot and it sickens me
i counted 56 matches in a row without a monk on my team
and as bad as CA is, TA is even worse, 99% of the people there are assassins and ritualists trying to be invited into parties
im not pvping any more this weekend, thanks ANet for ruining what should have been a fun weekend

my question is: "how did Anet ruin YOUR fun weekend?"

Guild battles guys... 1000+ faction per win... Still the BEST way to earn and use faction... But it is STILL often the most overlooked. IN any case... Most of us have saved up faction special for this event. and it was worth it. IMO. I know I'll do the same again for the Factions launch. The thing that upsets me is all that faction will likly be lost when the relase happens they will likly reset the unlocked items to locked again. and have to do it all again. thats why I expected to see a UAS for the new classes for the Weekend events. Oh well... Loosing faction at least is something you can always get more of... just takes time.

The world is obviously out to get you, because nobody else gets those same type of teams comprised of premade pvp templates, with players just starting out unfamiliar with their handling, lacking the runes and skills to make better use of them.
Additionally, the Tombs, Guild vs Guild, and Team Arena, are all unaccessible to you, and only you, so that you can't pre-form your team to your standards before the battle when the Random Arenas aren't working out for you.

Oh, wait...

The random arenas are NEVER fun, unless you either enjoy bringing in powerful builds to mow down unprepared teams (which is right now mostly Spiteful Necros.), or you're prepared to face disappointing random team assignments with a happy smile (And people that don't bring, or fail to use Resurrection Signet in a timely matter.) There's a large influx of players trying out new things, which is what most people use the RA's for, particularly when they can't test scrimmage in GvG to an alternate practice guild, or another medium of PvP battle.

There ARE other options though, and other people are going through the same things. Elect to use them, or suck it up knowing that luck is a huge factor in the RA's.

Edit: For the record, I enjoy all forms of PvP in varying amounts, including the RA.

I can happily sya that you are wrong on that count.
Everything you unlock on a normal account this weekend will remain unlocked

Shaquira

Yep it was Gaile I believe who said that whatever you unlock remains unlocked if you buy Chapter 2, not sure how that's going to work for people that don't have CHapter 1 already though.

the site said a chapter 2 temp account would be activated as a full chapter 2 account when you buy chapter 2 and add the key to the temp account

i am going on vacation in presear as i have seen enough to know that however nice it is for new players they have not made a pvp convert out of me.

waiting for my turn when the PVE event happens

Great weekend for me, i farmed a huge amount of faction in random arenas with my boon prot.

i was in a team last night at 11ish and we got 3 monks in a group, i guess ia m stealing all of yours

Well what did you expect?

Everyone wants to try out all these new classes and since they wont have any skills yet, they will pick the templates.

Unless you prepared for the weekend by stocking up on faction, you will be stuck with the templates.

That and we've had very little time to study the skills and make some decent builds.

This weekend is for experimenting and testing. And the question i ask you remains.

What did you expect?

It's like open Beta testing all over again - oh wait, that's exactly what it is. Just like the last pvp weekend...


Obvious I know but as no-one had mentioned it (and Saints lost AGAIN) I might as well.

You really need to specify "...for ruining what should have been a fun weekend for YOU..."

Just because you had a bad experience or dont enjoy the new additions, doesnt mean the weekend is a bust. It just means YOU didnt have fun. 90% or more of GW players thoroughly enjoy it. Maybe its because YOU havent really gotten the hang of either of the two new classes? Maybe you dont realize that this is PvP TESTING so things will be quite different for a time.

Your bad experience does not carry over for everyone "ruining a fun weekend". i just hope you at least try before crying about the new classes. Its actually kinda funny that you complain there are nothing but Assasins and Ritualists, I mean, HELLOOOO!!! New classes!?!? Means everyone wants to try them!?? wow, im sorry that was just a lame OP topic...

enjoy.
AAaaannnd.... continue....

Why am i not the least bit surprised that BBoy started this thread?
Your always complaining and undermining people on this forum.


And you say ANet ruined your weekend?
lol, its funny that you rely on them to make you happy.
Cant you find something else to do and stop bi@#ing that you didnt get your way for once?

But anways, Im enjoying the weekend.

And im sure BBoy expected unicorns and rainbows and everyone worshipping him.
Oh, I almost forgot about the law that states that if BBoy isnt happy, no one else can be either.

Errr. . .what? I dislike the people going around with A/W prebuilts asking how they attack just as much as you, but I would rather ANet stuck to a policy of free open beta testing rather than reserving it for those who already have the game. I am sure they are losing money on this, they have to pay for the server loads and huge amounts of characters created, but they continue to offer it. . .free to anyone who wants to test it.

I enjoy RA. I have spent hundred of hours in it over the past months, because it is simple and fun. At times it is frustrating, especially now since no one seems intelligent enough to put a res signet on the bar of a premade, but how is that different from the thousands of W/Mo's without a res?

Now, you say you are tired of seeing all ritualists and assassins. Then you complain about seeing necros. What do you want, everyone to run monks so you can farm faction? Go make a monk yourself if you are that desperate, but those with spiteful spirit necros or anti-melee mesmers are, thats right, thinking before going in. More importantly, what did you expect? Sure, I like being able to unlock things so that I'll have less to do and can be done with the game that much faster when chapter two comes out, but I happen to like the new classes. So I can either spend my time faction farming, or I can have fun. Choice seems easy to me.

If you really are just interisted in faction farming, go to teams, tombs, or better, GvG. Don't try and find one of the many pugs, take your friends. Or your guild mates. Or the people you tombed with last night. But stop complaining about people using the three days they have access to these classes to actually play the classes, rather than playing monks so you can faction farm in RA.

The Weekend isn't "Sucking" - but I agree it could be better.

First: If you have no faction coming in (like all the people having to use the demo key) - Then Its garbage for real. You only get to use the prebuilds - Which (especially for the ritualist) are garbage without some editting, And you only get the chance to try out their impressions of the classes - I dont have enough faction for it but I'd have LOVED to try out a support Ritualist, not just one that spams random spirits doing nothing else, one thats just a monk with differnet skills, and one where all it is, is a horrible Ranger damage dealer with a random spirit and a weapon spell (that quite honestly works out worse than just a pure ranger damage dealer - as ANY of the ranger preps works out better than Brutal Weapon - and doesnt force you to put attirbute points in secondary) .

Second: For people that can use existing classes effectively (like they are doing event from their main account, like me) - then these two new classes just get OWNED HARD by any half decent existing character build. This is half due to the fact that the assassins and ritualists are forced to buy all their skills so people dont have experience with builds or even the chance to get experienced, and half due to the balancing of their untested skills in the wider market. The guy mentioned eariler watching his whole Assassin team getting sqaushed in the arenas..This is happening all day.

It REALLY isn't convincing anyone else to buy Factions if they weren't already buying it.

That being the main reason for the Event - I think Anet has failed on that part.

I do love getting to try out new classes and stuff even if PvP isn't totally my thing (I can't do the arenas for hours).

Quoted for truth. Former, I think I found something we can agree on

On a related note: I think a PvE preview is in order, and would do much, *MUCH* better in convincing new players to get CH2 ... I mean, these poor folks that have never played guild wars before are being thrown into what is, essentialy, one of the more focused, diffucult areas of the game to be sure ... without even an extended tutorial period (aka, pre-sear). I've taken to trying to help those poor folks that have never played before learn the basics, as I really feel very sorry for them that their first experience (after the henchie arenas, of course) goes something like:

*New Player has entered the game*
(some skirmish)
(New Player is dead)
Stupid jerk: "Hahaha, I owned your nub ass ... "

Doesn't paint a great picture for what is, otherwise, a very excellent game

If anybody's weekend was ruined it would be the new people just starting out in PvP, they don't really know how to play or the subtleties of the skill bar, so they end up dieing alot, that would kill any joy in a game. I think PvE ascalon woul have been a better intro into the game.

I have enjoyed the PvP Training content a bit, but mainly as my ranger. I have played the 2 new classes. The only thing I don't understand about PvP content is, why when I unlock an item, in this case runes, I can't use them right away? It seems to me I have to delete the character and start over. Now I have deleted many characters, for assorted reasons but when I create the prefect look, the perfect build and that character does well I kind of get attached to it, as such, even if I don't get any new slots, my Ranger is going to Catha.

The Assassin build was interesting, although I never could get the hang of the Ritualist. Too bad the new female's don't have dance emotes (or as of 20-01).

As far as the new updates, I do like the way I can pick the color of armor right off the bat and the way the new hairstyltes and faces are upfront so you no longer have to arrow back and forth.

Only fun I'm not having is the wife hounding me every second to do something instead of playing GW

Too many Assasins and Rits? Come on, its new, everyone wants to test it out. If the expansion is here, everyone will go back to their main chars.
This weekend was alot of fun for me

I guess to a person who has never played GW before this preview is a bit like your first game of Counterstrike or Q3:Rocket Arena. Instant death followed by undecipherable comments...

Thats quite possibly true. The general reaction towards the people just using the keys (who don't have GW) seems to be calling them n00bs and stuff. If I was trying out a new game to see if I would buy it, but all I got was "OMG you r a n00b go back and **** your mum" then it wouldn't encourage me to get the full version at all.

And if you're complaining about not getting faction BBoy, then why don't you go and be an SS Necro and farm Assassins? I don't think that is picking on them in the sense I posted above, its teaching them. Sooner or later they will realise its that hex in the top corner called Spiteful Spirit thats killing them, but that it only hurts them when they attack. I think its good training for them.

Yeah, that's pretty much the case. But in both cases, people KEEP PLAYING, which would bode well...

I beat a W/something once and they whole time he kept calling us cheaters. Half my team didn't even know what was going on.

In RA i went with my Mesmer(like i do usually before log out) and i faced a team with 3 assassins( A/W) and 1 Rt/Me.........they got owned misserably . i figured...they all want to get to TA....wich will take a while.

I really don't understand WHY people behave like this (BBoy) when these events happen. Everytime people are given access to something new they will want to use it. So why not prepare for this? Put on your helpful face (if you have one that is) be kind to new players, be gracious if you are defeated, don't blame the game for other people's mistakes (look, M-I-S-T-A-K-E-S), don't blame your team if they don't know how to use the classes effectively and above all, accept that SS Necro's will pass, their time is coming,as is the IWAY team's (the Zaishen are training armies of Anti-IWAY groups).

So for all that is good in Guild Wars, please just try to relax and accept other people's faults and your own.

Just my 2 pence.

Since you can't seem to find a monk in random arean (which is dumb to think you will get one even in 1 out of 5 matches) why don't you play a monk yourself and stop complaining?

Sorry for the FREE update. Sorry for the FREE preview of chapter 2 before we buy it. Sorry for FREE training grounds that allow you explore skills more in depth.

Ya Anet ruined my life too so I think I'll keep playing. Ya, that will show them.

i wasnt expecting anything, i was HOPEING there was gonna be seperate areas for the people with real accounts and the free key codes, not only to keep the experienced together but to keep the new people from getting stomped. and i was hoping when you made a pvp assassin or ritualist we would have all the skills to chose from, and then had to unlock them to keep in chapter 2, those things are what are making me so cross with this weekend
EDIT: you all seem to be taking what i said too far
i said its been crappy SO FAR, it might get much better for me, i just needed to vent a little

you were actually expecting a repeat of the UAS disaster?

no way

UAS disaster? you lost me on that one

UAS disaster: during the last beta weekend, ANet added a button to character creation that allowed you to unlock all the skills for that weekend only. Since then, people have whined that they want the button back as faction takes to long to earn and they don't want to have to pve to make their pvp character better. It was a nice thing on behalf of ANet that ended up going bad due to some lazy cry babies.

beta weekend event before release

they had a UNLOCK ALL SKILLS buttun for the weekend and screamed bloody murder for months after release for Anet to give it back to them.

there is a post here somewhere from GAILE saying not even close this time

ahhhh.... that is kinda messed up, didnt anet say that it was for the weekend only over and over again to get the message across loud and clear?

Well of course Though that dosn't seem to stop people from complaining about it. *shrugs*

there is even a screenshot somewhere around here that has the words

UNLOCK ALL SKILLS FOR BETA WEEKEND EVENT

Anet was called liars,cheats etc and there must have been more people banned from forums (here and others) for flaming Anet Gaile/Alex than on any other topic

EDIT

i think that is why they are being so careful on slot numbers because they can raise the number later but never lower it.

"UNLOCK ALL SKILLS FOR BETA WEEKEND EVENT"

definately agree. I dont see the point why ppls have to "farm" factions in gvg, cuz definately Anet didnt meant that. but it happens. this weekend could been far more efficient to Anet if they unlocked all skills on these two professions.

then more people could try different builds and report skill unbalancing and bugs far more better. I just cant understand what the point of unlocking skills?

but anyway. Still thanks to Anet showing what we can except in chapter 2

hehe - free updates sort of tie into the 'no internet fees' drum that ANET keeps banging. So using 'free (pvp)update', 'free (pvp) training grounds' and 'free (pvp) preview' to iterate a point is kind of....pointless I guess.

Unlocking all the skills? That would basically screw up the game, you know...It wouldn't be any fun if you didn't have to work for the skills...I mean, seriously.

i meant only the assassin and ritualist as a special thing for this weekend, i dont want to know the person who is able to unlock everything before this event ends, scary

Yep I found that shortly after posting... I have been out of GW for a while and once I read up on all the nondisclosed info that always leaks on the various forums. lol I found that info too. so thats cool... So Ihave proceded to unlock as much as I can. thanks again...

ingy.

I got about 50,000 faction this weekend, not a bad take. This was from a mix of RA, TA, and GvG.

RA-I honestly did not see a skill difference. People tend to be absolutely horrible and you can't rely on your teammates to ever to their job even halfway properly. Even with all the new people I saw no decline in the average skill level. It was horrible before the event and was horrible during the event.

TA-Had a lot of fun here. Developed and ran a build utilizing the assassin (but not an assassin heavy build.) Tore through the place, many matches won around the 1 minute mark.

GvG-No use of new roles here. Three days is too little time to learn new classes and intergrate their playing styles into builds. However overall we had a number of good games. On the last day we had an amazing game vs Spectral Agony that was pretty much dead even the whole match. One of the few VoD matches were both teams are still fighting at the flagstand when VoD starts.

As for UAS, the issue isn't so much the button or what happened that weekend. The issue is A.net's maltreatment of PvP in general. For a good three months into the game the only way to unlock items and skills was grinding your butt off in PvE. You had to run through the game at least 3 times and farm tengu and hill giants endlessly to unlock the superior runes you need for competitive PvP play. This stunted PvPs growth severely and directly went against A.net's promise of PvP being about skill and not how much time you spend leveling your character and collect items. When A.net first implemented faction they spit in the face of every PvP player out there. The amount of faction gained was ridiculously slow and you could not unlock anything with it. You still had to play PvE and could only unluck the obscure hard to get item or skill with faction. The increase in faction gain a month later helped, but it still has a lot to consider (the rewards for GvG are probably still too low.)

Some of the staunchest supporters of UAS will gain nothing from it, they are already UAS. They just know how miserable it is to go through the unlocking process and the absolutely massive barriers to entry that PvP has. They seek to lower these barriers, but ironically most of the very people they are trying to help fight against it. If you are very successful with PvP you can gain tons of faction to unlock with. However if you aren't already well unlocked you aren't going to be very successful with PvP.

The arguement isn't just give us all the skills either. It is about doing multiple things to help the PvP environment flourish and to help players get into PvP. Let's face it, the first thing a player gets when they try to learn PvP is a kick in the teeth.

For most PvP players the fun is in the thrill of a good match. Developing intricate builds and putting them against other teams with excellent builds. If you enjoy grinding PvP players don't want to interfere with that. In the PvE environment you can grind until your heart is content to get the skills for your PvE character. However at the same time those who PvP would have easier access to skills and equipment they need to stay competitive.