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DarkerHelmet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

21 Feb 2006 at 16:07 - 161

Quote:

Originally Posted by monk54321

I honestly just can't believe this has turned into, "I'm not rank (x), and everyone who is rank (x) is supposed to oblige to me". This is getting out of hand, some people IWAYed to their rank, some spirit spam, some smiteball, but they ALL worked for it. Everyone must find their niche.

On another note, PVP is vastly more complex than PVE, there is no jump, no comparisons, being good at PVE means absolutely NOTHING in pvp. Period.

If you are rank 0, guess what, you deserve it, and every other rank for that matter. Even though IWAY has somewhat ruined that to an extent, its still the way it is, and everyone 'ranting' is just fighting a lost cause, the good will never oblige to the bad players, the rich will never oblige to the poor, this is how life is.

Sure being a pve players doesn't at all mean I'm good in pvp. On the other hand I do have a bonus over any rank0 pvp player just because I do know what the skills are doing and so on.

I agree that for the tactical use it's far more different in pvp.

The only thing that I truely hate about pvp is the fact that as a rank 0 it's near to impossible to enter a group. I wouldn't care if I was entering just a bad group and loose in the first matches, but not being able to enter any group for long periods (up to an hour) is just ruining the whole fun of playing at all.

Maybe you liked to wait for so long to achieve minor progress but for me it's killing the experience and I'm quite certain that it does so for many more.

The only thing I can think of is either throw away the whole ranking or make ranked Halls, like lower ranked halls where only r0, r1, r2 (all seperate) are allowed. R3 and beyond no need for seperate halls anymore I think. That way you so called uber guys always get ranked players and we unranked players can finally play a game without having to wait just to play

Let's say this again; I'm not playing a game where your objective is to join a team; I'm playing to fight another team and have fun.

ERMC

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/Me

21 Feb 2006 at 16:43 - 162

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkerHelmet

Sure being a pve players doesn't at all mean I'm good in pvp. On the other hand I do have a bonus over any rank0 pvp player just because I do know what the skills are doing and so on.

I agree that for the tactical use it's far more different in pvp.

The only thing that I truely hate about pvp is the fact that as a rank 0 it's near to impossible to enter a group. I wouldn't care if I was entering just a bad group and loose in the first matches, but not being able to enter any group for long periods (up to an hour) is just ruining the whole fun of playing at all.

Maybe you liked to wait for so long to achieve minor progress but for me it's killing the experience and I'm quite certain that it does so for many more.

The only thing I can think of is either throw away the whole ranking or make ranked Halls, like lower ranked halls where only r0, r1, r2 (all seperate) are allowed. R3 and beyond no need for seperate halls anymore I think. That way you so called uber guys always get ranked players and we unranked players can finally play a game without having to wait just to play

Let's say this again; I'm not playing a game where your objective is to join a team; I'm playing to fight another team and have fun.

have you tried making your own team...

Seriously how many people that are complaining they can't get in groups don't make there own instead of whining about not getting into teams. I see people begging to get in HA groups all the time i hardly see people making unranked groups, and people will join because like you they want to get in groups.

if you don't want to do that and HA waiting is ruining your game experince then don't do HA. Find a guild that likes to help if you want pm me and i can give you a good pvp training guild.

and save the pve vs pvp monking don't see how people are comparing the two "what if someone breaks aggro" guess what no aggro in pvp your always the target that gets e drained, hexed up, and beat on and still got to maintian yourself alive and the team. AI targets first person they see PvP players look for the primary target. that is just one difference

DarkerHelmet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

21 Feb 2006 at 17:35 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERMC

have you tried making your own team...

Seriously how many people that are complaining they can't get in groups don't make there own instead of whining about not getting into teams. I see people begging to get in HA groups all the time i hardly see people making unranked groups, and people will join because like you they want to get in groups.

if you don't want to do that and HA waiting is ruining your game experince then don't do HA. Find a guild that likes to help if you want pm me and i can give you a good pvp training guild.

and save the pve vs pvp monking don't see how people are comparing the two "what if someone breaks aggro" guess what no aggro in pvp your always the target that gets e drained, hexed up, and beat on and still got to maintian yourself alive and the team. AI targets first person they see PvP players look for the primary target. that is just one difference

That's exactely what I did, I stopped entering HoH, after ranks were introduced. Your offer temts me though, and who knows I will enter HoH again with your help

.

About forming my own group (r0). Although this thread is full of complaints, most low ranked guys still want to end up in high ranked groups to make some chance in ranking up fast. They, unlike me, obviously don't care about the waiting part. The result is though that it can take just as long to form a group as to enter one.

Like I said I don't care at all about the ranks idea, I'm pve wanting to play pvp because the pve part is finished and indeed is becomming too easy. But the idea that pvp is only about what rank you are and not actually about having fun, regardless of winning or loosing simply puts me down. It causes people to behave as jerks.

And when you look closely to what rank means you know that for many people it actually doesn't mean they are skilled. Someone here made a thread saying that pve is simple because you always face the same tactics, he is right. But doesn't the builds (IWAY for instance) for pvp do the same?. Sure there are those exceptions that really do have skills and can use them, but my guess is that 80% of the peeps just follow the preset builds found on the internet (just as the 55's farmers in pve) and only use them without them really having any true skills at all.

Seeing ranks like that, it becomes very hard for me to enjoy the waiting part. But like I said I will try to contact you :P.

thunderpower

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Europe

KiSS

21 Feb 2006 at 18:05 - 164

It has been discussed, tested, many take it as fact that 80% of the players in HA aren't skilled. At lest no matter the rank, they seem to know little about skills and/or tactics on diffrent maps.

Most teams lack a good leader... most of the self claimed "good leaders/callers" suffer the "monk first" syndrome (popular in CA and RA), leading to sudden death and swearing.

If I had the nerve I would make an r0 guild with players intrested in pvp, and train good players, debate tactics and skills to be used. It would be a far better solution than waisting time in HA begging for a place in a higher rank team (wich might be worse than an unraked one).

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

21 Feb 2006 at 19:31 - 165

Interesting conversation between me and a guildie. We GvG a lot but were not ranked

.

Me: Dang I wish there was a way to get Rank in GvG
Guildie: Mybe there should be like a emote for how much faction u have.
Me: Ya in total with Redeemed faction and faction you got,
Guildie: Ya but then you could just farm faction.
Me: Can you not do that with fame?
Guildie: lol

Says everything

barca

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

13 Jul 2006 at 19:23 - 166

wow lmao... please guys stop complaining about rank systems... EVERYONE WHO IS RANK had to go through the tedious task of getting FAME. So just live with it... r3 isn't easy to get to and is very hard... but when you do hit r3, it will be alot more rewarding having gone through all the work and time to get there.

Sir Green Aluminum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

13 Jul 2006 at 20:19 - 167

Just say sorry I was to busy perfecting my pvp build to be farming rank during the IWAY, invinci monk, Ether renewal smite, Ele Spike, Ranger Spike, Spirit Spam, Dual Smite and etc builds I may have forgotten periods. Go play alliance battle, it's way more fun and rewarding (for both money and mentally).

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 Jul 2006 at 20:23 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by barca

wow lmao... please guys stop complaining about rank systems... EVERYONE WHO IS RANK had to go through the tedious task of getting FAME. So just live with it... r3 isn't easy to get to and is very hard... but when you do hit r3, it will be alot more rewarding having gone through all the work and time to get there.

wow lmao... please don't necro threads from february!

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

13 Jul 2006 at 20:29 - 169

It's extremely easy to tell low ranked people "Shut up and stop whining, get off your lazy butt, make a team and start winning" when you're rank 6 and can join nearly every team. The more people think that way, the rift between the ranked and unranked will widen. Just yesterday I recall seeing someone in alliance battle outpost saying "GLF 2 more, no ranked idiots please" while someone else was saying "GLF r3+ boon prot and shock/axe"

Each time I see those ranked elitists beating on some unranked newbie asking about how PvP works, I always remind myself that the ranked ones are probably just insecure. They feel that they must gain a status symbol, then rub it in a poor unfortunate's face to make themselves feel that they belong somewhere.

I think the ability to show your rank as a title wasn't very good. Gone are my days of sneaking into my friend's r3+ group

However, maybe 3 months ago, there was a blood spike team I was in. They needed a spirit spammer, so I asked the guy for the skills. He gave them to me (to my surprise) and invited me in when I came back as a spirit spammer. I think the whole team was all rank 3 or higher (Not 100% sure) but they did not seem to care that a rank 1 was with them. Unfortunately the group broke up after a few wins.

It would be wonderful if the whole HoH community had the attitude of that blood spike group, but in life, there's always going to be the meanies who love to rain on people's parades.

The Real Roy Keane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dublin, Ireland

13 Jul 2006 at 20:45 - 170

Tauricus, it's been said many times before, but it's true- PvP with your guild. I'm rank six but have absolutely nothing against PvP'ing with unranked guildies - just because they don't have a shiny animal that comes out of their chest doesn't mean they can't play their roles effectively.

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

13 Jul 2006 at 20:51 - 171

I've been rank3 (approx. 330 fame) since January, as I stopped doing Heroes' Ascent mainly because IWAY groups ran rampant, and I grew tired of playing the same build over and over and over. I've just recently begun doing HA again with guildmates, and am now at 350 fame. There are only 2 other rank3 people in my guild, but I've found if you go over your plans well and strategize what to do, the people in your group will learn what to do and how to play certain maps, and you will slowly begin to pick up your fame. It's not easy at first, but over time you'll get that Bambi to show off.

0mar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

13 Jul 2006 at 20:57 - 172

HA is a joke anyways, there is exactly ZERO serious PvP going on there. Don't even bother with it. GvG is where it's really at.

nohooiam

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Forsaken Sanctuary

Mo/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 21:18 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0mar

HA is a joke anyways, there is exactly ZERO serious PvP going on there. Don't even bother with it. GvG is where it's really at.

um, not really?

GvG has its share of garbage teams too. 3000+ to be exact.

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

13 Jul 2006 at 21:32 - 174

if you listened to the War Machine officer who shared phonein insights bout koreans being leetsauces in gw last Weapon of Choice broadcast, you will concur with all his comments.

"dont dwell on a loss, learn from mistakes, don't bitch about things not getting perfect while in battle."

losing is natural. if you never lost, you'll never know how to win they say.

pvp with your guild and friends. if you suck, get better together. dont make a big deal out of rank (though few (or one) guild(s) even ask for guildies rank to play with them lately, like "wtfbbgomgggimustpmonlyrank10+guildiestoplayOoAiwa ywithmecozmyotherguildiesarerank2noobs" ffin bs. talk about elitism in AN iway guild.).

play with the same set of people and youll get to know them better and youll be comfortable playing with them. from there, mistakes can be taken maturely and youll start to think about ways not to make the same mistakes and not pinpoint and be a bitch to others.

this thread is ressed, which isnt bad coz it's still a problem.

Tingi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

13 Jul 2006 at 22:26 - 175

I got my r3 ages solely on the fact that it's easier to get into better groups and guilds. However, when I am with my guildies (a lot of whom are r6+) we do not advertise for anyone over a certain rank. If they don't know the skills, we just give it to them and more often that not it works just fine.

However I do think rank elitism is a big problem. For example, at the start of factions, I was in a PvE group as an assassin with a certain young r12 (hint love), i think he got it before anyone else did. Anyway, he was playing a ranger and he managed to die many times. He quite obviouly knew nothing about PvE. Anyway after a few of his deaths, he emoted his rank and called of us noobs for not being ranked. I was like WTH? You're the one who died! He was also emoting in town every 2 secs lol. It's people like that who really tick me off.

Meiludor The Quick

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

R/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 23:40 - 176

Look at it from the point of view of the team organizer-
If i'm putting together a team and i want to accomplish A, B, and C then i need to find people who will allow me the best chance at achieving A, B, and C. At one point I had to learn the ropes and climb the ladder slowly but Now I want a reliable team and the only ways I have to know this are by intelligent interviewing and asking for rank. And asking for rank is much faster than any other method of finding out how accomplished a player is. So from my point of view on a day when i want serious action and a reliable team, that's what I will need to do, but if i just want to have some fun and don't care about A, B, or C, then rank becomes irrelevant.

Point is, if you can't get into a group because of rank then just form your own. There are lot's of people there that want to get their feet wet or others that are somewhat more experienced who would not mind joining your team. But don't remove a key element of the game that allows players to know who they are recruiting! Think about it, if pve had something like this you could easily form your "MASTERS" group and conquer the mission rather than having to deal with messy players, leavers, aggro maniacs, afk'ers, etc...

Meiludor The Quick

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

R/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 23:43 - 177

I also don't like the idea of rank being reset, if that's true, only because it's something that was earned through hard work. Anything like that should not be removed! In fact! I am against removing anything from a game, that is always a bad move. If something is unbalanced, don't remvoe it or dumb it down! make something else more powerfull! I Can't stand it when things are removed!

Johnny Paycheck

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh, PA

Mo/

14 Jul 2006 at 00:24 - 178

here's my problem with the rank system. every once in awhile you run into a player like me. i don't care about rank at all and just love to PvP and have been playing since the betas 15 months ago. I used to run tombs all the time and got a couple of sigils for my trouble but that was before the rank system was in place. I stopped running tombs and started to get serious about GvG's. I'd really like to get into some HA matches now but can't get into a group at HA because I don't have any rank.

I just think it's a shame that most people are so elitist about their rank. I'd love to get into an organized and skilled group and know for a fact that I could contribute to winning matches but never get the chance. Worst of all is getting called a noob by someone that's been playing for 3 months but just grinds fame all day long in IWAY groups.

just remember there are plenty of skilled PvP unranked players just like there are some terrible players with R9.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

14 Jul 2006 at 00:57 - 179

I remember getting to rank 3.. it took a damn long time even with my guild.

I am now rank 7 and have come a long way since then. I've learned a lot since the beginning and every one of us has earned our fame somehow. We too had tough times trying to get into groups; getting rejected for not being ranked and the like. But sure enough, there was a huge difference in myself when I was unranked to now.

I did take a few unranked newbies into tombs also and I thought I could help them a little by allowing them into the group. Turns out they couldn't play worth a damn and it felt like they just got the game. A lot of them are just "unresponsive" you talk to them on vent and they don't even reply back until you start yelling. I think it's impossible for them to learn when they themselves don't give 100% to do it.

Clinically Proven

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

[MMAD]

14 Jul 2006 at 02:03 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERMC

have you tried making your own team...

Seriously how many people that are complaining they can't get in groups don't make there own instead of whining about not getting into teams. I see people begging to get in HA groups all the time i hardly see people making unranked groups, and people will join because like you they want to get in groups.

This is what I did from about the first 20 or so fame I earnt, right through to the couple of thousand fame i'm on now.

If you start an unranked group often enough people will start to remember you and start pm'ing you when you get on each day to see if you're going to run a group.

Pretty soon you'll have a friends network, months later you'll be ranked and happy and some of those first reoccuring pm's will be the people you still play with every day.

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

14 Jul 2006 at 02:29 - 181

And here I was all excited about a new blooming thread! *sighs*

I feel the pain of the OP, but at the same time I go with my guild and most of us are only rank 1.... Not cause we suck, we just don't do HoH all that often, nor do we follow the typical leet builds.... We also love to take random newbs in with us to show them around so that they aren't stuck with "LFG for Miss" idiots -_-
That never fails to amuse me!

Anyways, get with a good guild and just join random crap teams and hope for a few wins here or there till you can at least say: "I know the maps!"

Saix The Spartan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

A/

14 Jul 2006 at 03:02 - 182

I Really, Really, REALLY hope they get rid of rank in ch3, i enjoy HA, the 2 times a month i can get into it. People think having rank means you have skill....it meas NOTHING, You could be the worst player in the world and be rank 10. Luck, and good teams. So yea, i hope they get rid of rank..I know i'm not alone on this.

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

14 Jul 2006 at 03:04 - 183

/rank moar like /wank amirite

Seriously though, Anet did kind of drop the ball on a decent matching service for HoH.

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

14 Jul 2006 at 03:42 - 184

Friends, guildies and alliance buddies ftw.
That's how I got my rank, as the one or two times I tried pugging it ended in disaster.

New HA players want easy rank. So they sit around and complain about the lastest FotM and how the just can't manage to beat IWAY.

Experienced HA players want to win. So they don't take those complaining about how hard it is, and take people who have learned patience in order to get their rank.

To unranked players: Stop complaining. There isn't one FotM that can't be beaten - even by newbie players to HA. FotM can actually help you! Some of these teams (take IWAY) are really really newbie and pug friendly. Get off your highhorse and play and learn the maps, you'd be surprised and how far a little knowledge can go when whispering that R6 group that can't seem to find the final player they need. Furthermore if you play in a good group, remember who they are and play with them tomorrow, and the next day, and the next.

Finally, ranked pugs that won't accept someone who doesn't (quite) meet their requirements but EVIDENTLY has knowledge of HA and the maps aren't worth pugging with in the first place. Why? Flaming of team members or the ooposition is immature and irritating and these elitist players are the ones who do the majority of the flaming.

Yes, rank is a pain, yes there is "grind" involved. However those of us who enjoy PvP (no matter how infrequently we do it) don't feel that GRIND is necessary at all. You win some, you loose some, you learn. If you can't adopt this attitude then I don't think that HA is the right place for you at all.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 04:45 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saix The Spartan

I Really, Really, REALLY hope they get rid of rank in ch3, i enjoy HA, the 2 times a month i can get into it. People think having rank means you have skill....it meas NOTHING, You could be the worst player in the world and be rank 10. Luck, and good teams. So yea, i hope they get rid of rank..I know i'm not alone on this.

This argument has always been ludicrous and makes no sense whatsoever.

If rank means nothing then yourself, the OP, and the zillions of others who complain about only getting into crap groups would be able to get into good unranked groups. The reason you can't get into good unranked groups is because good unranked groups do not exist. Unranked groups suck. R6+ groups generally do not suck --- which is precisely why you want to get into them so badly.

Therefore, rank does indeed mean everything.

Only those who are jealous of people with better ranks than themselves say otherwise.

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Jul 2006 at 06:22 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

This argument has always been ludicrous and makes no sense whatsoever.

If rank means nothing then yourself, the OP, and the zillions of others who complain about only getting into crap groups would be able to get into good unranked groups. The reason you can't get into good unranked groups is because good unranked groups do not exist. Unranked groups suck. R6+ groups generally do not suck --- which is precisely why you want to get into them so badly.

Therefore, rank does indeed mean everything.

Only those who are jealous of people with better ranks than themselves say otherwise.

QTF, really, if rank doesnt mean anything, why arent the unranked groups winning?

croc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

14 Jul 2006 at 06:25 - 187

If they get rid of rank, then how about all the items and gold as well.
I dont have time to farm, its unfair that others are richer than me...

0mar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Jul 2006 at 07:33 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by nohooiam

um, not really?

GvG has its share of garbage teams too. 3000 to be exact.

That you won't see ever if you win maybe 5 games in a row...

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

14 Jul 2006 at 08:09 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by nohooiam

um, not really?

GvG has its share of garbage teams too. 3000+ to be exact.

which goes away after what like 30 mins of unranked guild farming? gg

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

14 Jul 2006 at 16:46 - 190

its funny how all these people complain... if you hate HA and rank so much then dont go there..

I was unranked 2 months ago but worked my ass off starting balanced unranked groups and eventually make it to r3, so stop whining and start playing

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

14 Jul 2006 at 17:34 - 191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

This argument has always been ludicrous and makes no sense whatsoever.

If rank means nothing then yourself, the OP, and the zillions of others who complain about only getting into crap groups would be able to get into good unranked groups. The reason you can't get into good unranked groups is because good unranked groups do not exist. Unranked groups suck. R6+ groups generally do not suck --- which is precisely why you want to get into them so badly.

Therefore, rank does indeed mean everything.

Only those who are jealous of people with better ranks than themselves say otherwise.

AMEN.

Sad thing is there are enough unhappy/unranked people in this thread to make a group. Instead of getting together in game and forming a group they come here and cry about how unfair the rank system is. EVERYONE that is high ranked started off with ZERO fame and went through the same problems finding a group. Yet the whiners want the bar lowered for them ... pathetic.

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

14 Jul 2006 at 17:36 - 192

My rant is now that the HOH title is visible I know feel the pain of HA grinding seeing its telling me I need 1,680 for rank 7.

Also while holding HOH, it should double the fame per hold.

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Jul 2006 at 17:39 - 193

I've given up on most PvP long ago for the same reasons. The stupid rank emote and having to deal with rank nazi's will drive people away from this aspect of the game. It has certanly hat that effect on me.

Lord Dark Genie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Switzerland

W/

14 Jul 2006 at 17:45 - 194

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

This argument has always been ludicrous and makes no sense whatsoever.

If rank means nothing then yourself, the OP, and the zillions of others who complain about only getting into crap groups would be able to get into good unranked groups. The reason you can't get into good unranked groups is because good unranked groups do not exist. Unranked groups suck. R6+ groups generally do not suck --- which is precisely why you want to get into them so badly.

Therefore, rank does indeed mean everything.

Only those who are jealous of people with better ranks than themselves say otherwise.

Plain wrong. "r6+ groups" generally suck quite a lot.

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

R/

14 Jul 2006 at 17:51 - 195

I don't have anyting against RANK, or Titles, But disable PvP rank in PvE areas and PvE Titles in PvP areas, each have it's own place.
If you want to play PvP in HoH you have to get EXP, but not at the expence off the serious players, same as in missions in PvE, you have to grind and get EXP. anyway you can. NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

14 Jul 2006 at 18:13 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

I don't have anyting against RANK, or Titles, But disable PvP rank in PvE areas and PvE Titles in PvP areas, each have it's own place.
If you want to play PvP in HoH you have to get EXP, but not at the expence off the serious players, same as in missions in PvE, you have to grind and get EXP. anyway you can. NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

But I get groups for exploring 70% of Tyria!

...and being a drunkard.

"Drunkard LFG I have most of my skills.. I think"

nohooiam

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Forsaken Sanctuary

Mo/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 18:21 - 197

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Dark Genie

Plain wrong. "r6+ groups" generally suck quite a lot.

if r6 groups are a nightmare, then imagine being in a rank 0 group. no wonder people are angry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

QTF, really, if rank doesnt mean anything, why arent the unranked groups winning?

those that win become ranked, so a winning unranked group is a PARADOX

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

14 Jul 2006 at 18:23 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

QTF, really, if rank doesnt mean anything, why arent the unranked groups winning?

I WOULD agree if someone didn't recently say that they not only made it to Halls, but took Halls and then HELD Halls with 4henchies from the start.

Smart people.... Iway sometimes takes skill but usually its mindless desease spreading from pets (which are much like henchies). Its a good build, I'm not knocking it... But if your puppies are winning the battle then rank is easily wracked up and you didn't really have to do a darn thing.

The fact that you cannot counter every build when you go in makes rank farming easy for cookie cutter builds.

No one is perfect and suggesting that a rank 3+ IWAY warrior would do just as well in a balanced rank 3+ group.... Well.. Lets just see how fast he falls without his puppy and necro... With gimmick builds it just doesn't take that much. For those who are pretty decent and running some form of balanced group, they cannot counter everything and thusly making it a bit harder to counter gimmick builds, since you never know what you will be up against till its too late.

My guild usually runs some form of balanced anti IWAY and when we do this.... The silliness is, we hardly ever run into IWAY o_O
Go fig? But our build has gotten us to halls a few times back when halls was still played by the masses and twice we went up against excellent guilds that typically hold Halls. While we were unable to take it, we did hold our own rather well against the onslaught.

So while in some instances I agree, when it comes to gimmick builds its just easy rank farming and to me that doesn't mean/say much for that player.

(Like the IWAY warrior who wanted to play stance tank for the balanced group >_> That was funny lol)