New Frog Talk (and some very useful info!)

I personally think the fear of nerfs is always taken way out of proportion. I do however believe that it is important to buff some skills when you nerf others. Part of the need for 'balancing issues' isn't just about correcting over powered builds, but also to keep skill setups changing. If this never happened, then PvP would be based too strongly on copying skill sets of more successful teams rather than building new origional and effective teams. However this is just my interperetation of what they are trying to do with it all. I could be wrong on this.

It would be interesting if there were special emotes or things you could do relating to your fame, e.g. type /glory could make you glow for several seconds and the intensity would relate to your fame or rank. Am I getting side-tracked?

Thats already how it is... Almost every skill has been nerfed for PvP, with the exception of a few that were being used to farm. Thank PvP for most upcoming skill nerfs.

maybe we will get some passive abilities!

Yeehaw! 1 on 1... I think I'm gonna like PvP after all I want my revenge on all you freakin' noobs who call me noob every freakin' time I go to Arenas.

Now, let's get things straight. That is one heck of a thing to add! What could be merrier than have a friend to chat with while you fight each other?

A fame reset would be equatable with a guild ladder reset. Sure lots of high ranked players would be upset, but do the high ranked guilds get upset when the ladder resets? Of course not, they crack their knuckles and get to work on becoming #1 again. So if fame/rank is reset, the whiners would have a field day, and the true "players" would crack their knuckles, open their friend lists, and get to work pwning HA for the new "season".

Seems reasonable to me, that is.

read again please?

Frog never said new changes on the 7th.
The frog does say:
"Changes this week"
"Ladder RESET on the 7th"

Those are two different things.

LOL. When he was talking about the person taking a time out that was my friend. So we all starting "protesting" it. He banned 2 more of us . Luckily it was all short bans though.

Anyways..interesting. Almost same repeating and senseless talking like he and Gaile almost always do though. I guess they can only say what they know but it would be nice if they say what they know and not anything else which will waste my time when i read trying to get to the stuff I want to know.

The Frog is also saying:

"There shall be changes in the game very soon, on the 7th of March, the frog believes."

QFT.

My guess is that the changes will come tomorrow if Gaile is speaking today, so people will learn of important changes right before they happen.

Wow no offence dude, but what rank are you?

Getting a guild to the top of the ladder can take a couple of days a week at the max, getting to R6, R9, or even R12 in PvP can take months, resetting it would be suicide for Anet.

Skill changes on march 1st. Ladder reset on march 7th.

Gives us time to work out new builds.

How you know the skill changes will be on march 1?

Errm, they already do this, they do record every match, its where they base much of the statitical changes and modifcations to game. In fact even in future chapters as has been stated if im not mistaken over the course of several interviews.

I'm rank 1. RAWR!

And see that's the thing, man. Without starting the whole "IWAY killed rank" business, a lot of folks claim that rank doesn't mean much because where before it took a lot of time and dedication to get ranked period, these days it takes ~1-2 weeks to get a deer.

Resetting everyone's fame would give HA a fresh start, a clean slate. It'd snuff out elitism. It'd compel people to fire up their friend lists, build winning teams and get started on a new "season" of play. If the reset came a short time after the skill balance, and if ANet forewarned of such a reset, people would have time to learn the changes, build up their strategies, and be ready for the "go day".

If ANet can reset guild ladders, it seems to me they'd be perfectly within their rights to reset rank and fame. Naturally, it would most likely not be received well by the general public.

The silver lining, however, is appealing: no more elitism, no more "that guy is R6 and has no idea how to play anything but IWAY", and a chance for the true contenders to go out and make a name for themselves with a fresh start on the whole system.

(and, hehe, if the rank was reset, then we wouldn't see those W/R freaks of nature in late game PvE missions saying "STFU, I'm R6 U nub!")

I don't think it will happen, I just don't think it'd be that terrible if it did happen.

march 7th = new build day

I say reset fame, lots of people know as of now that its pointless and means nothing

Actually either way I don't care, all fame means is some flashy Emote which really means nothing in the end.

Totally agree with you there man, Elitism is a gamebreaker for me...it cuts off many people from gameplay and its rude...calling someone noob to me is elitism and i just can't stand that Sh@#

1-2 weeks to get a deer with Iway????? Have you seen how bad unranked Iways are????? It would be close to 120 something matches for unranked 0 fame Iway to get a deer.

Don't mean to be a real jackass but get some facts straight.

Well, I have a friend that plays entirely too much (and who is a pretty good video game player). He started going IWAY in tombs because he decided he wanted an emote. Two weeks later, he had it. I got the satisfaction of being able to say "OMG a deer! Get my huntin' gun! Kill it!" every time he flashed it. He has a wolf now, :P

I don't know how long the wolf took him, but the deer took him 2 weeks. Maybe he had some rank before, but I don't think he did. He doesn't sleep much heh.

And you weren't being a jackass. Them's the facts as I know 'em. I don't wanna derail this thread, though, I just wanted to say that a rank reset might not be all that terrible, and that even though hundreds of people would complain and "that's it! i'm quitting gw!!1!" all over the forums, I think that the pros would outweigh the cons of a rank reset. Breath o' fresh air, and all that.

if i was a rank 9 i would want a fame reset. I think they need a reset for all the people out there using iway to boost there fame that DID NOT EARN IT. For those that did get there honestly with a true build, tough luck.

GO FAME RESET

A fame reset is definitely needed. Too much elitism in the game. I'd rather just see fame go completely.

Damn you all! Taking about resetting my 16 fame. I'll be ruined! Woe is me.

I was just thinking.. if they are adding a 1v1 arena, I would guess that besides random opponents you could also issue a challenge (one of the main reasons people wanted 1v1). I just hope that you don't get faction for the latter, though, as it could lead to some faction farming (don't know how fast it would be, but people would do it since it's garunteed). I would like to see 25-30 faction for random ones though.

Wow.. I mention the possibility of a fame reset based on what the frog said and it turns into all this.

Cmon not a blank Fame Reset! Thats outrageous!

Just subtract the IWAY farm, like if someone earned 100 fame from iway, you just keep the initial 30-40, subtract the rest..so if its 300 iway fame, Anet substract 270 fame... like that, they have logs for every match and every player, a simple logic of if..this..then program can do the trick...yea it sounds simple but basically..that the trick

Even if they do have logs then that's just a crazy amount of work. Besides, isn't Anti-IWAY farming off of IWAY? So then they would also have to take away faction for Anti-IWAY, and there are way too many ways to build that.

not calling all the hard working people from anet lazt but that would take way to long to go through everyone that used iway and subtract it all. And pretty much everyone has had the build in tombs once in their day, so basically just reset the fame please!!!!!

i think they should pair in a 1v1 arena by amount of faction one has because if you have someone with a bazillion faction and someone that has 5 and doesnt even know what it is would be slightly unfair.

Hmmm...well...ANET has been the most competent Inc to do skill rebalancing I have seen in an RPG for a long time.....so...I will roll with the punches but, having said that....

If they do nerf IWAY, I would prefer that the don't change the fact that it works on pets (R/W...W/R....in PVE, its a nice skill to have when you are soloing with your pet...and conceptually consistent), but change the description/workings from:

"I Will Avenge You!"
Shout. For each dead ally, you gain 10 seconds of Health regeneration +(Min: 3 - Max: 7) and your attack speed increases by 33%.

To:

"I Will Avenge You!"
Shout. If you have a dead ally in the area, you gain 10 seconds of Health regeneration +(Min: 3 - Max: 7) and your attack speed increases by 33%.


Keep the recharge the same.....

if they reset fame there will be a mass exodus of people quitin

I hate to tell you but I seriously doubt that this is even possible. I doubt they kept what sort of team played, and even then an AI that keeps that info can get it wrong. And as other have said, what about anti-IWAY, and modded IWAY? Besides, IWAY has been using the skills - even if they have been declared as flawed - and have NOT broken any rules, if they reset fame, they will do it to everyone, it is the only way to make it fair.

I wonder if anyone's tested whether or not the ghost in the box or the summoned snowman trigger Iway?

hehe nice!! cant wait!

Yeah, and while we're at it, go wipe everyone's inventory, too. Too much elitsm is connected to items and money, right? No more HoD swords, no more FoW armor or Victo's Bullwark. Just a fresh start for everyone... Oh, to make it completey fresh, we could just wipe the whole accounts. Let's all start in Pre-Searing Ascalon again.. WOOOT.. Let's make it even fresher and DELETE all accounts. We can buy new ones, can't we?


(yes, in case you didn't get it, this post DID contain sarcasm)

I can see it not working on pets but still being exactly like it used to be. It would be unusable with that nerf you said.

Personally I wouldn`t be surprised to see a fame reset.Not so much to do with IWAY but because of Factions and the mixing of PvE and PvP.TBH i don`t care either way

I suggest you spend a little more time going over skills and making some comparisons...for example:


"I Will Survive!" - Shout
You gain health regeneration of 3 for each condition you are suffering. This regeneration expires after 5-10 seconds. 5 0 30seconds

"Victory is Mine!" {Elite} - Shout
You gain 10-56 health and 5 energy for each condition suffered by adjacent foes. 20 seconds.


I will Survive is somewhat weak....but compare the health gain of both this skills (not even with IWAY's extra 10 seconds of 33%)....with say perhaps 5 pets IWAY now gets 50 seconds (constant).....

Well the IWS is only 10 seconds every 30 seconds with no speed increase.
And VIM is only 56 health every 20 seconds. (ignore the energy for the moment)

If they nerf IWAY in the manner I suggested (but again, I really don't see IWAY as a problem, just part of the cycle of the METAGAME), it will be in line with these two skills...and that is just for starters. Actually, just go to the Strength Skills listing on this site and show me any skill that can last for that long and heal that much.......



I don't think it will be "unuseable" just not quite the UBER-ness it feels like now.....


I think that one of the reasons for the popularity of IWAY really is that it is quicker to form a group (this game should take a lesson from COH in this area), so adding Built in Voice Communication, and better/quicker ways to look for a group, would ultimately involve more people and more balanced builds. I mean, if they even added a cut and paste ability (I really don't want to continually write down Vent/TS information...call me lazy....but I believe computers were made to obliterate tedious crap like this), it would simplify group formation.


And as much as I dislike Fame for introducing groupthink/lemming behaviour, it would not be the coolest thing to do to reset it. It was my least favorite addition to this game of anything ANEt has done....not because recognition is bad, but because the community uses it as a stick and not venerates it as a carrot, it has stifled PVP for a lot of players. When I come home for work and want to play some PVP, I don't want to deal with Drama Queens and Rank discussion for 30 minutes, so I end up plopping into Randoms instead to get my fix. It just has gotten old in HA at this point.

Suggestion for Fame/Rank & IWAY

Remove the pet aspect of IWAY and have fame also drop for preforming poorly. Then drastically increase the rate you gain fame. This basically allows for less grind to get fame if you have skill. The motto that's pasted on all their advertisements. However, you'd have to actually be good to keep your fame. This will eventually cause people who are skilled to be represent accuratly.

If someone whines about being able to lose fame, then they don't deserve it because they must not be that good anyways. What about having fame naturally decrease over time! Hey, to be popular you have to maintain your image. Having fame decline will result in less people requiring a certain rank, and will give a better representation of present skill (FOTM's change and this will pepresent one's ability to adapt).

Just to clear this up. I'm not suggesting a fame reset. I'm suggesting a updated system for fame that is based on one's ability to maintain their fame though skill. This would probably need to be done by # of losses, since certain targets die more, and some don't kill anything. IMO this suggested reduction to fame should be decreased as you make it closer the the HOH, and there should be an increase in the rate of growth for fame for winning consecutive maps. This would be important because skill is lacking if a team is designed to only play the first match and then exit back to town and enter again.

Resetting the fame is like the most *JJj44&&* up thing you can imagine.
Of course I can get back on R 9+ team and start doing Hero Ascent.
Probably take me couple months to get back the Tiger Emote. But WHY ??

Iway is not powerful enough to take over the hall..

Imo , Iway is very good introduction to the PvP Area.

1. Easy to form a PUG group.
2. Learn the HA map.
3. Learn how to play like a team player.
4. Gain a few fame and Faction points to unlock other skillz.
5. Meet other PvP Friends.

If I were Anet ( frog )
I would post another FOTM build to substitute IWAY.
and Every Month come up with the Build for HA.
So PvPer have Alternative build to play.

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a fame reset is nothing like a ladder reset, my rank took me months and months to get while my guild got first page of ladder in 2 days! (im serious, in 2 days we were at rank 15)