Update 3/2/06 - Griffin Farming is no more

Amsterdam

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Wisconsin

dth

03 Mar 2006 at 07:43 - 1

Griffin farming outside augury rock is no more available.

Here is a screen for you all.

Here is the official news from Guildwars.com

"Kepkhet Marrowfeast, Queen of the Scarabs, has brought her brood to the desert, drawn by the plentiful corpses of griffon, minotaur, and even other scarabs. The insect brood now infests the "Prophets Path," so travelers be warned!"

You have been informed.

naginatools

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 07:49 - 2

Good for "n00b" griffons farmers ^^

Sab

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 07:51 - 3

Bring on scarab farming, I say.

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 07:52 - 4

good luck with that. they were specially designed to keep farmers out of there. virulence, well of the profane, plague touch, traps and the like.

the boss is also a monk boss with mark of protection...pretty damn annoying to kill her.

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

03 Mar 2006 at 08:07 - 5

It's not that hard actually. I got a rare flatbow. Wasn't max damage, but I think that was just a rarity. 13^50, 5:1 vamp

It's still doable, just outside Drok's might be better.

Murder In China

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

/B/Chan

Looking for one

03 Mar 2006 at 08:16 - 6

Farm FoW.

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

03 Mar 2006 at 08:37 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol_Vie

It's not that hard actually. I got a rare flatbow. Wasn't max damage, but I think that was just a rarity. 13^50, 5:1 vamp Solo? Is it still easy? Are you talking about normal W/Mo griffon farming here?

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

03 Mar 2006 at 08:43 - 8

Yeah. I use my normal build. Mind you I haven't attempted to take on the big group in the center, but the groups of 2-3 I can take on no problem. Same build as always.

There are a lot less griffons sadly. I'll try taking out the big center group next. Maybe replace Deadly Riposte with some anti condition or distracting blow...

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

03 Mar 2006 at 09:03 - 9

may it rest in peace... Least till the next BS build of the month the farmers exploit to ruin the game for everyone else by OVER farming and getting greedy... 70% of the farmers don't use what they find. they inflate the market by reselling it for ridiculous prices to the ignorant general public.

The best thing Anet could do is remove the trade button all together... and make every dropped item customized to the account finding it. So drops either has to be salvaged or used by one of the finders characters or sold to a NPC merchant. PERIOD... I know this will never happen, but god would it fix so many social problems in the game....

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 09:24 - 10

Well its about time! I have been waiting for this! Al those dam SHEEP!! (55 monks) farming that damed area!

Now what are they going to do? UW, give it a month and that will be full of enchant removale. I guess they are all going to go farm wood now. And get that nerfed aswell. What a bunch follow on newbs. I see that its still farm able by us warriors. And they slag us down! God I am pleased with this! ANet did someting orth doing for once!

Woohoo!
Weeping

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 09:49 - 11

farming spots future:
A works
B works
C works
D works
---------
A works not as good anymore
B works
C works not as good anymore
D works
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A works not as good anymore
B works not as good anymore
C works not as good anymore
D works not as good anymore
---------
A works even worse
B works not as good anymore
C works even worse
D works not as good anymore
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A Not able to get through not even with a normal party just to get to another town
B works even worse
C Not able to get through not even with a normal party just to get to another town..
D works even worse..

and so on..

actually im not selling the items i get, because even when the farming spots where NOT nerfed i hadnt been the most lucky guy..

well the only item i ever sold was a golden ivory bow 15^50 that i didnt even find while FARMING..

i actually do not like that every little spot in the game gets nerfed and when they are done with all the spots they will start making the "not good for farming but still good if your weapon sucks and you need a new one to get through the next mission" even worse..

if they really keep nerfing they should give out all the weapons for free..

+ they didnt nerf uw.. though THAT is the spot to get the MONEY and get the ECTOS to get rich! griffon farming is not really the spot to get rich..

well i think im gonna stop playing pve now anyway.. people get greedy if they cant farm anymore.. and there is actually not really a gameplay with greedy people..

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 09:58 - 12

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if they really keep nerfing they should give out all the weapons for free..

+ they didnt nerf uw.. though THAT is the spot to get the MONEY and get the ECTOS to get rich! griffon farming is not really the spot to get rich..

well i think im gonna stop playing pve now anyway.. people get greedy if they cant farm anymore.. and there is actually not really a gameplay with greedy people.. No one stated that UW was nerfed. But with the Griffons gone and UW a big target for SHEEP then its on the to hit list obviously. They clearly wont get rid of UW like they did the Griffons because there is a wider band of people using it. However I do think that they will add more Enchantment removale to get the SHEEP'S worryed.

I do agree. In the near future if things keep going the way they are with people over farming certain area's one by one they will be nerfed in there own way. So eventually farming will altogether be useless. And like you said, expensive weapons like Crystaline swords will be out of the question.

We will see how things go but this doesnt look like a to far off mark that we will sooner or later hit.

Weeping

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 10:05 - 13

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

03 Mar 2006 at 10:20 - 14

They nerfed griffon's to put an end to bot farming. I do not think that Anet has a problem with farmers as individuals. They do however frown down on sweat shop owners in foreign countries that have people farming griffon's like mad for their own profit from ebay. I am one farmer that supports this "nerf". It will help smart farmers challenge themselves and add a little flavor to the game while possibly making a dent in the bot/sweat farming.

Well one can hope it makes a dent.

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 10:22 - 15

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well actually they shouldnt have nerfed griffons, buw uw..
in uw u can get like 10 in 10mins.. (well i did runs with 55n/mo there and that for 2h and i had 12 ectos and some gold from other crap.. i didnt sell them but gave them away for free (to my friends) because i had no use of them (worth: 7k each) well reason i hadnt had any use of them? yes there is.. i did griffon runs aswell to get items for my chars (as they had actually been the best spot to get ITEMS [not money])

griffons are like 10k in 30min at MAXIMUM, if you are LUCKY.. so they should have nerfed solo uw and NOT griffons -.- Yes but like I said. It isnt just the SHEEP that are using UW for the heavy farming. There are still W/Mo's shouting "LFG" for UW. So, the everyday people looking for a group to try something are still using it.

However, when you go to Augury. There wasnt anyone looking for a group to go kill the Griffons. There where the 3 Warriors out of every 10 SHEEP that went to kill them sure but there wasnt a big variety so it wouldnt upset the whole range of players. As it stands it is only effecting the SHEEP players because they are the only ones now stuck. Us Warriors can farm many other spots if needed.

Sure, Griffons farming may not have gotten a SINGLE player rich very fast. But, there where a HELL of ALOT of SHEEP running in and out every 5 mins all making around 10k in 30 mins like you stated. So, althogether these SHEEP where bringing in ALOT of money to the game. Not as a SINGLE person but ALTOGETHER they where brining in loads.

Weeping

akkarin

Academy Page

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03 Mar 2006 at 10:24 - 16

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

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W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 10:25 - 17

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And, as you said have made alot of sweat shop owners unhappy :P

And yes one can hope it makes a dent

Weeping

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 10:26 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeping Wind

Sure, Griffons farming may not have gotten a SINGLE player rich very fast. But, there where a HELL of ALOT of SHEEP running in and out every 5 mins all making around 10k in 30 mins like you stated. So, althogether these SHEEP where bringing in ALOT of money to the game. Not as a SINGLE person but ALTOGETHER they where brining in loads.

Weeping well so you are PRO-Nerfing uw?
There are so many more uw runners (even if they make party of twos) that get a LOT more money in the game..

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 10:29 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeping Wind

Yes, I am also very happy with this "nerf". It has upset alot of the SHEEP players which I personally hate

And, as you said have made alot of sweat shop owners unhappy :P

And yes one can hope it makes a dent

Weeping well you are right.. i didnt know there are bots out there and thats really i mean REALLY stupid.. but without people getting annoyed by nerfing and thinking "OMG its impossible to farm for me little noob with so less good items and no possibility to get better ones" there wouldnt be anyone buying items from shops and than those shops wouldnt be able to sell anything and than they wouldnt use bots..

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 10:31 - 20

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well first of all:
i didnt know that there are bots, nor did i know that u can buy items on ebay (lol how dumb must someone be to do that..)
so they will probably not nerf uw.. (hopefully) as this isnt botable.. is it? Well I highly dought that UW is "Botable". Look at the map. And the variety of things you have to do. In Griffon farming its a pretty straight forward run and the skill variation doesnt change much either. But in UW it would be next to impossible to "Bot" that much stuff.

Think of all the different spawns that can happen in UW. Griffon spawns wasnt that hard to map. The map was very spacious and so the peson mapping the "Bot" didnt have to do much. In UW, there are many different routes and turns and narrow hall ways, wide open rooms.

And most SHEEP going with another SHEEP to do this. So you would have to have two SHEEP botted to know exactly what you are going to do... Its just physically impossible when you think about it...

Troll farming outside Droks is very "Bottable". Its pretty much the same as Griffon farming when you think of the basics. Not far to run, skill variation isnt much, and you can solo it.

We will see what the SHEEP move onto next

Weeping

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 10:36 - 21

Well. If the over farming continues the way it does and things get nerfed like Griffons then the way I see it is like...

Farming will be altogether not worth it as 90% of all good farming spots will be nerfed one way or another. This will mean 80% of farmers wont farm. This will also mean that there will be less money floating around the game. Items will all first rise in price as there are fewer people farming them. But when these farmers realise that they cant get there over inflated prices they will crash. Things will either go stupidly high and bottom out or they will be cheap enough to get the non-farmers to buy them.

I dont think it will come to this. An online econemy always sorts itself out in the end. But, it is very hard to tell over 1 million different gamers that they have to slow there farming down

ANet will sort something out before it every reachs this. They will probably kick the SHEEP right out of the game (Nerfing the actual build not the places they use it).

Weeping

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

03 Mar 2006 at 10:42 - 22

Just a quick question because I cannot check (working). Did they also nerf the griffon's to the north of Augury? If not that is the next bot farming spot. The trolls are another possibility.

UW is bot-able but not by most people. The time and effort to do that would not be worth it. The goal of a sweat shop is fast and repeatable and cost effective. The 1K per entry to work out a bot could get expensive and the fact that it is a much longer run without any guaranteed success (ecto) would be drawbacks.

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 10:49 - 23

Quote:

Just a quick question because I cannot check (working). Did they also nerf the griffon's to the north of Augury? If not that is the next bot farming spot. The trolls are another possibility.

There are many Griffons that have escaped the "Nerf" monster MWAHAHA! It is stupid to kick every Dester Griffon out of the game. So, there will be some around. Just in places further afoot.

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UW is bot-able but not by most people. The time and effort to do that would not be worth it. The goal of a sweat shop is fast and repeatable and cost effective. The 1K per entry to work out a bot could get expensive and the fact that it is a much longer run without any guaranteed success (ecto) would be drawbacks. So. You spend 1k to enter and get 15% of your "Bot" mapped. You die.. Its not worth keeping that "Bot" as you died. Delete that one. You spend another 1k to get 30% of the "Bot" done. But you die again while working onit. You delete that.. And so on and so forth. You would spend an enormous amount mapping it with your "Bot" and you would have to have an enormous amount of will power to be able to have the patience with it. Like you said, people want fast results sitting in there sweet shop

This would take them to much time.

I highly dought it that there are no other "Bots" running in other places but keeping it to them selves. The other thing ANet could do is flood Ebay with fake sellers. I used to play Runescape and they did the exact same thing there. All the Ebay posts saying selling the money in that world where all set up and would not actually sell you anything. This made me stop buying it as I never trusted any of the sellers. If ANet where to do this I am sure it would discourage alot of people.

But I am sure they have their own plans

Weeping

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 11:30 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeping Wind

The other thing ANet could do is flood Ebay with fake sellers. I used to play Runescape and they did the exact same thing there. All the Ebay posts saying selling the money in that world where all set up and would not actually sell you anything. This made me stop buying it as I never trusted any of the sellers. If ANet where to do this I am sure it would discourage alot of people.

But I am sure they have their own plans

Weeping Oo are they allowed to do that? i mean saying: "im selling this and that for 999$ and at the end they do not sell you anything? or do they give it to you and take it again? cause i think they will have to complete the trade before taking the money again dont they?
i know that all the money and the items a property of ANet so that should not be the problem.. but do they have to complete the trade first before taking it away again? ^^

xD actually i think its a cool thing! though it will not help too much.. cause there are still shops out there that cannot be flooded with fake offers

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 11:58 - 25

haha they changed the position of the ghosts in uw!!! lol solo uw? the start will be hard ^^ but its still possible to hide behind them.. hopefully they will not change THAT aswell..

see.. they DO have something against farmer! its NOT just the bots! they DO want to stop everyone from farming and getting items .. haha in 2months it will be impossible to get decent items for missions!!! MUHAHA LOOOL

well in 2 months everyone will have green items and nothing else! lol because its impossible to get other decent items anymore..

FaeBaul

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Fredericton, NB, Canada

Requiem Lords [ReQ]

03 Mar 2006 at 14:26 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Farm FoW. True. I spent 45 mins in there the other day, made 5k, got two Gold items (one was a 15/50 chaos axe, 10/10 ap) and two shards.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen every time.

This is why I am waiting for factions to come out. Maybe they will resolve the gameplay issues in PvE by adding more non-boring content.

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 14:37 - 27

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Oo are they allowed to do that? i mean saying: "im selling this and that for 999$ and at the end they do not sell you anything? or do they give it to you and take it again? cause i think they will have to complete the trade before taking the money again dont they?
i know that all the money and the items a property of ANet so that should not be the problem.. but do they have to complete the trade first before taking it away again? ^^

xD actually i think its a cool thing! though it will not help too much.. cause there are still shops out there that cannot be flooded with fake offers

Of course they can do that but its agaisnt the law (I think). Accepting money for something and not giving your share of the deal is theft. And seelling or even buying anything from Ebay is against ANet's terms and conditions. But lets not get too off topic here :P

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True. I spent 45 mins in there the other day, made 5k, got two Gold items (one was a 15/50 chaos axe, 10/10 ap) and two shards.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen every time.

This is why I am waiting for factions to come out. Maybe they will resolve the gameplay issues in PvE by adding more non-boring content. I do agree. Farming is/was brought around when people couldnt do anything more when they beat the game. Naturally making money was the answer. When Factions is released farming in the first Guild Wars will be significantly reduced as everyone will be playing Factions. I hope this will sort out over farming area's for a good few months atleast

Weeping

Doctor Death

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Currently Guildless

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03 Mar 2006 at 14:53 - 28

Weeping Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ordinis Draconis

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 15:02 - 29

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I am both glad and upset to see the Griffon farm nerfed.
On one side of the coin it stops the huge amount of bots going there and encourages people to go farm in other areas which may actually take some skill to do.
The other side is that while I like to farm more challenging areas for fun the drops eleswhere in the world have been very poor for me. Griffons were the only place I could reliably find rare items. Chests are not worth the price of the key anywhere in IMO.
If Anet wants to nerf the easy farm spots thats fine by me as long as they reward the players with decent items for playing challaging areas. I hadnt looked at it like that untill now. Very well said. Althought, it is fun going to kill some pretty basic monsters from time to time. I also enjoy a more challenging area. And yes, chest drops are never worth the key 50% of the time.

But, if you look at the huge number of people who where actually farming Griffons. Over 60% of them where the SHEEP (55 monks, necros). And that in its self is NO CHALLENGE what so ever. So, now they will obviously go somewhere else and continue to do what they always have.

Weeping

sigried

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Honduras

Ye Old

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 17:24 - 30

in case you have not notice you geta green staff from the queen crab 20K

So i dont think they have kill the farming spot

reaxzor

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 17:55 - 31

i farmed the queen for 5 times , got the staff , sold for 80k, no-one had it yet, was this morning , no-one selling bet i was one of the first. pretty nice for 1 hour of farming, would it be possible to make warrior team with 4 warriors , everyone take sprint , run to queen and kill her ? sounds stupid but with interrupting skills etc...

rocinanted

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

GR, MI

03 Mar 2006 at 18:33 - 32

i dont know who else knows about this but although the griffons were great for farming i.e. upgrades, gold weapons, gold there is an alternative! recently i wanted to get the collectors bow (15^50) and i needed topaz crests. i took my 55 monker over to the sand drakes and fought them came back with the exact same amount of gold just a thought...

sigried

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Honduras

Ye Old

W/Mo

03 Mar 2006 at 18:59 - 33

problem is that will be that the staff will be worthless in a weak

Amsterdam

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Wisconsin

dth

03 Mar 2006 at 19:42 - 34

At least it drops a bonus, and this game is called guild wars, not solo everything, the point is the game is directed at team play. Soloing is an art in itself which will keep evolving. UW was made to be a place to be farmed with 8 people, not 2, if they nerf it at some point then so be it. I love solo farming, I love dual farming, but the game I play I put in the hands of Anet and its developers, they know what they are doing. I support the way they have run this game since day 1.

Mr.Interrupt

Academy Page

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The Good Ol Days [BWE]

Rt/

03 Mar 2006 at 19:46 - 35

The simple solution to keep players interested and rewarding them is to make more of the quests (like the defending vs titans quests) to drop items with cool skins and unique bonuses. They have many of these early game but they are subpar items. Producing them as quest rewards late game would make it more enticing to do said quests.

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

03 Mar 2006 at 19:49 - 36

Well there's always hydra farming... I suppose I should look more heavily into Mursaat farming too....

sh4ft3d

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

Frank Ought To Monk [FotM]

03 Mar 2006 at 20:19 - 37

MURSAAT FARMING!?!?!?!? ARE YOU CRAZY!!!! I think that whoever has a build for them should get a medal. Ractoh has one for Ring of Fire

akkarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Mar 2006 at 22:14 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigried

problem is that will be that the staff will be worthless in a weak as said before.. farming shouldnt be "I WANT MORE MONEY MUAHAHA IM A GREEDY NOOB AND I WANT MOOOORE (THOUG HI DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THAT MONEY)" thing, but a "cool i found a new item i can use.. wow cool xD i rock!!" thats why i did farming atleast.. and really.. if u farm for money u will find more items you can use yourself than money to buy those.. until you got the money for a cool item you want to buy u can easily find it yourself.. and actually i think giving us that green drop was a good idea! should be more of that, though all running around with the same weapon actually sux.. thats why griffon farming shouldnt be NERFed but the chance of getting new items should be INCREASED and WOW prices go DOWN!! omg cool and prices will go that down that nobody will buy anything but tryin to get those items by themselfs!
I'M FOR:
INCREASE THE DROP SO THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO GET A COOL RARE SKIN GOLD DROP! OMG!

LamerFlamer

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Order of The Green Flame

03 Mar 2006 at 23:32 - 39

If you really want to get rich, run from Amnoon to Augury Rock for tips, my last run, a guy gave me a max damage green hammer. Now I use that instead of my axe.

volsungxiii

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

04 Mar 2006 at 06:51 - 40

I agree with many of you here.

I farm for two reasons
-Fun getting cool items and stuff I can use
-Gold

If there were OTHER things to do, I wouldn't farm. Personally I can't farm for more than an hour (that's farming solo). It gets way too boring.

What I would really like to see is better rewards for quests. I remember when I first started playing GW, I played for hours on end, doing nothing but quests and missions. Now I don't do that anymore, because once you hit lvl 20 and have already beat the game, what's the point in doing anything else? XP at lvl 20 is pretty much pointless. Sure you get skill points, but when you have 165 skill points banked, like me, even that becomes unecessary.

Let's say you get an awesome item, be it a weapon for your primary profession, from doing all the titan quests. I mean a bad-ass sword, if you're a war. I wouldn't go and buy it for 100k +55 ectos, instead I would do the quests and get my awesome reward for it. XP at lvl 20? Eh that isn't a reward anymore.

If ANet really wants to stop farming, they should improve rewards for quests. Whether it be gold (no not 50 gold) or awesome weapons, that will get me back into it.

Sometimes I'd rather not farm. But to think of it, how does one go about getting 15k armor? or even 1.5k armor? The only choice is to farm, there really isn't any other way to make gold.