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Falcon213

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

05 Mar 2006 at 21:59 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyote

If you want more than 4 - 6 energy from OoB, you need to let your health regen naturally or you spend it back on the self heal. If you manage to do that in PvP, I'd love to know how.

This is where the good players are separated from the rest. You DON'T heal yourself after using oob. It's dumb. The only time you need to heal yourself is when you're being ganked. And then you don't use oob.

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

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05 Mar 2006 at 23:39 - 82

Hmm... so being the great PvP player that you are you can never think of the moment when you are being ganked and may need to heal something else but have no energy? That's what the bitching is about, you could do that before...can't really any more.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

06 Mar 2006 at 00:15 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic Smile

Hmm... so being the great PvP player that you are you can never think of the moment when you are being ganked and may need to heal something else but have no energy? That's what the bitching is about, you could do that before...can't really any more.

That's the point. You can't hide behind your 2 boon prots and heal party spammer.

Stategy will now win games 100% of the time. You can dmg through healing and heal party now. Nice to see a change.

Keyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 Mar 2006 at 01:13 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon213

This is where the good players are separated from the rest. You DON'T heal yourself after using oob. It's dumb. The only time you need to heal yourself is when you're being ganked. And then you don't use oob.

So the good monks in 4v4 rarely get ganked? I must be really bad then, because in almost every match I'm trying to keep myself alive more than the rest of the team.

4v4 IS a monk gankfest. If you're with other monks then the problem with OoB isn't nearly as big an issue.

jimmy_logic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/

06 Mar 2006 at 01:52 - 85

Edrain looks better now... but then its got a longer recharge and its situational on the enemy having the energy there to steal and give back to you.

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

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06 Mar 2006 at 02:18 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

That's the point. You can't hide behind your 2 boon prots and heal party spammer.

Stategy will now win games 100% of the time. You can dmg through healing and heal party now. Nice to see a change.

Agreed for the most part, but the guy above my orginal post was missing the point I think...

Paine

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Clan Plus [Plus]

07 Mar 2006 at 10:18 - 87

Hi!

I'm just here to complain about the "Offering of Blood" nerf.
Sacrifice 20% of maximum health. You gain 8-18 energy.

Before it was 10%. This means that you only have to use it 5 times and then you die. Before you could use it 10 times but now they've nerfed it twice.

Interesting..

kais

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

China

The Hatebreeders [Evil]

07 Mar 2006 at 10:26 - 88

as annoyed as I am by this nerf, I ve gotten over it telling myself that it was truly overpowered even though I liked to use it intensively.
Now I ve tried out other energy management skills for my monk that are effective enough for me to do my job.
It is possible they nerfed it too much. But I cant really tell. Maybe a 15% OoB might have still made me use that skill (as a monk).

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

07 Mar 2006 at 11:27 - 89

Still a great skill even at the 20% sacrifice.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

07 Mar 2006 at 11:30 - 90

People whose posts were deleted: Don't flame.

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

07 Mar 2006 at 11:45 - 91

20% is fine, sure it'll kill you using it 5 times in a row, but you have a 15s recharge in which time you regen health. On top of that, you don't always need the energy from it as soon as it recharges.

Dragonblood

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Followers of Master Jack [FOMJ]

N/Rt

07 Mar 2006 at 12:54 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

20% is fine, sure it'll kill you using it 5 times in a row, but you have a 15s recharge in which time you regen health. On top of that, you don't always need the energy from it as soon as it recharges.

So true, that and if your a necro, then soul reaping also help's. Plus having Vampiric Gaze/Touch(which at times doesn't hurt), then you steal 52 or 65 health(depending on which spell you use/have).

All in all, I just keep an eye on how much energy and health, before usen OoB.

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

07 Mar 2006 at 13:54 - 93

I don't see anything wrong with this change. I think that since they also lowered the recharge times for E-drain and E-tap, mesmer secondary become a more viable option than before, but I don't think the 20% sac is really anything to worry about. Healing touch used on self easily negates this sacrifice.

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

07 Mar 2006 at 14:46 - 94

Many monks adapted to Monk/Mesmer for Energy Drain now.

Rilder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mystic Shadow Soldiers (MSS)

R/

07 Mar 2006 at 14:53 - 95

what about channling, a couple monks in my guild have started using it, it makes sence, 1 energy per each foe in area every spell, so if your in a heavy fight (8v8) theres like 8 energy each 5 energy heal in the area... and you only need like 6 or 7 in inspiration to make it last longer then the recharge

Harmony

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Houston, Texas

Arcane Nexus (ANX)

R/Me

07 Mar 2006 at 14:57 - 96

I use OoB with both my monk and my necro and haven't noticed any problems with it. As long as you don't spam it 5 times in a row you should be fine.

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

07 Mar 2006 at 17:48 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rilder

what about channling, a couple monks in my guild have started using it, it makes sence, 1 energy per each foe in area every spell, so if your in a heavy fight (8v8) theres like 8 energy each 5 energy heal in the area... and you only need like 6 or 7 in inspiration to make it last longer then the recharge

That is the worst idea ever. Monks are in the backline for a reason you know. To comprimise their position is suicide.

Fungus Amongus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare] | [Rare] Alliance

07 Mar 2006 at 17:59 - 98

I don't see this as a bad nerf, more of a proper balance. When we start seeing cookie cutter builds, it hints something may be wrong. It doesn't mean something is actually wrong, just something may be wrong.

Look at Dark Pact, for example. On a level 20 character, unless your Blood attributes are maxed you will sacrifice more health than the damage you do using the skill.

Sacrificing ~80ish health for 15-20 energy seems like a fair tradeoff to me.

Keyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

07 Mar 2006 at 18:10 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rilder

what about channling, a couple monks in my guild have started using it, it makes sence, 1 energy per each foe in area every spell, so if your in a heavy fight (8v8) theres like 8 energy each 5 energy heal in the area... and you only need like 6 or 7 in inspiration to make it last longer then the recharge

Channeling is ok for 4v4, but probably not worth using in 8v8.

Burton2000

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

A cardboard box in England

Men Of Substance [YMCA]

Mo/Me

07 Mar 2006 at 18:15 - 100

Channeling and Inspired hex is the most commonly used energy managment skills in HA which is 8v8.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

07 Mar 2006 at 18:16 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyote

Channeling is ok for 4v4, but probably not worth using in 8v8.

Channeling is absolutely rubbish for 4vs4. Even fewer people to actually get the benefit from.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

07 Mar 2006 at 18:17 - 102

I'm using Energy Drain now - I still like OoB no doubt - and I think it did need toning down a little... maybe it shouldn't have been double the health sac. I probably won't use OoB on a monk again, but it's still a very very good option for a necro

Quote:

Channeling is ok for 4v4, but probably not worth using in 8v8.

How in the hell did you come up with that? I will always use channeling for Heroes Ascent

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

07 Mar 2006 at 18:41 - 103

I think this is overnerf, now the skill is almost unusable in PVP cuz you are always getting pressured. In PvE its a bit better since you can wait for your health to regen without anything hitting you.

P.S. All the Elite Energy skills are now crap (considering they are elite) in comparison to inspired hex and drain enchantment, since they are not elite...

Ryld Baenre

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Ontario

Xen of Onlsaught, Reign of Xen [XoO]

W/N

07 Mar 2006 at 19:12 - 104

I still use this skill in PvE because as said you not always gettin pressued but I can see this as a bit of an overnerf as far as PvP is concerned.

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

07 Mar 2006 at 20:45 - 105

most monks used channeling/insp hex and WoH/SB before the update, not much has changed.

awesome sauce

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

07 Mar 2006 at 20:51 - 106

Mes has always been the superior energy secondary anyways. Just use MoR and drain enchant and it works even better with more energy than a /necro with OoB. The bigger nerf was mend ailment.

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

07 Mar 2006 at 23:01 - 107

My biggest gripe about the new OoB is in regards to Minion Masters. A common build for N/Mo includes OoB, Verata's Sacrifice and Blood of the Master, all three sacrifices. Hitting them all in a row is now a 45% sacrifice, which is quite painful.

It can still be managed, but you really have to monitor your health and plan Heal Area usage actively now. As if a MM didn't have enough to concentrate on.

Before the update we were challenged to "Name one skill commonly used in PvE that has been nerfed because of PvP abuse?"

Offering of Blood

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

07 Mar 2006 at 23:07 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

M
It can still be managed, but you really have to monitor your health and plan Heal Area usage actively now. As if a MM didn't have enough to concentrate on.

Try playing monk sometime.

Keyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

07 Mar 2006 at 23:51 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

It can still be managed, but you really have to monitor your health and plan Heal Area usage actively now. As if a MM didn't have enough to concentrate on.

Try playing monk sometime.

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Amidst A Sea Of Darkness[Star]

10 Mar 2006 at 19:43 - 110

Hmmm... well I would prefer Peace & Harmony as an energy management skill, however I am faced with the following problems:

Being a PvE player, teaming up with henchies, it becomes somewhat difficult to direct the attacks of my team. It is accomplished by first targeting an opponent, then pressing Shift + Ctrl + Spacebar, then moving to stop attacking the target myself. This is an extremely complicated way of taking advantage of P&H. Additionally, in order to extract full benefit from P&H, it would also be used on other monk henchies, and battery cultists. However, AI does not stop attacking a target to take advantage of this skill.

Personally, I would like to keep my energy management skill in the family(monk). However, due to the complicated sequences of actions necessary to use this skill, coupled with the fact that henchies nullify it's effects shortly after P&H is cast on them, I find P&H an undesirable skill.

Currently, I am using Energy Drain.