No problem- I thought you could all use the link to our community posted somewhere.
Lack OF Rpers
Thunderbolt300
The GWRPA is where it's at!
No problem- I thought you could all use the link to our community posted somewhere.
No problem- I thought you could all use the link to our community posted somewhere.
Kakumei
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I believe the site - www.gwrpa.org - can show you that roleplaying is very alive on Guild Wars. You may not see us, but rest assured, we're around- it's just that typically we tend to hang out in the international districts where there's significantly less traffic, so in that respect, we're a little hidden. As poorly made as Guild Wars is for roleplay (as compared to something like NeverWinter Nights), Guild Wars does have the capability to support us.
There are plenty of RP guilds out there. Currently, the RP community of guilds is attempting to organize and we're planning RP events out already. |
Why do you bother? You admit yourself that GW is a poor roleplay environment, so why do you even bother making the effort--pounding a square peg into a round hole? There are a nigh-infinite amount of places more suited to roleplay, so...seriously, why?
Thunderbolt300
I could go into logical reasons and explainations for how Guild Wars is in some ways better than other games (even NeverWinter- for instance, no one has to maintain a server- we're provided one here, as we don't have to maintain it), but I'll take the philosophical answer to this question:
Why not?
Why not?
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Why?
Why do you bother? You admit yourself that GW is a poor roleplay environment, so why do you even bother making the effort--pounding a square peg into a round hole? There are a nigh-infinite amount of places more suited to roleplay, so...seriously, why? |
The fact they have a guild and are organized and are still around means that they've been accomplishing their goal, however small it might appear in the grand scheme of things. You should respect that even if you don't agree with it.
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt300
I could go into logical reasons and explainations for how Guild Wars is in some ways better than other games (even NeverWinter- for instance, no one has to maintain a server- we're provided one here, as we don't have to maintain it), but I'll take the philosophical answer to this question:
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Why would you do it here, when there are so very many places SO MUCH BETTER suited to what you want to do? NWN is good. IRC is (imo) the absolute best, and it's not like that takes much effort at ALL to set up.
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Kakumei, no offense to you, but the answer is... because they can, and they want to do it. They enjoy GW and they enjoy RPing so they're trying to do the best they can to incorporate both, no matter how difficult it might seem.
The fact they have a guild and are organized and are still around means that they've been accomplishing their goal, however small it might appear in the grand scheme of things. You should respect that even if you don't agree with it. |
I just don't understand why you would be so masochistic--why expend the effort, when you don't need to?
Thunderbolt300
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Kakumei, no offense to you, but the answer is... because they can, and they want to do it. They enjoy GW and they enjoy RPing so they're trying to do the best they can to incorporate both, no matter how difficult it might seem.
The fact they have a guild and are organized and are still around means that they've been accomplishing their goal, however small it might appear in the grand scheme of things. You should respect that even if you don't agree with it. |
Leon_Ux-ixen
That is true if you take the square peg and grind it into the circle hole it will fit in time. Thing adept to the pressures and requirments of life. Far rp my R/N speaks much like a druid or a person who lives in the wild so his english may seem broken. My Mo/W spekas sometimes within riddles much like most wisemen or matiral art master. (ryu-sensai) My N/Me speaks almost prefect english much like a noble from Britian though his word are twisted and cruel as is he. I try to scamble things up. oh an Via va Le rp in gW!!!
Sekkira
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Far rp my R/N speaks much like a druid or a person who lives in the wild so his english may seem broken.
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~ Star Maiden ~
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I just don't understand why you would be so masochistic--why expend the effort, when you don't need to? |
We WANT to do it. It's as simple as that. Your form of sadomasochism is just someone else's way of going against the grain and getting enjoyment out of a product that might not be conducive to RPing on the surface. That doesn't mean it can't support RPing, however.
Kakumei
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I already answered this in my earlier post, but just to emphasize, it's not about needing to do anything. You don't need to play GW. You don't need to play videogames. As much as any of us have a passion for those things, or other forms of entertainment, we won't die if we're without them (some MMO uber-junkies might argue that, though lol).
We WANT to do it. It's as simple as that. Your form of sadomasochism is just someone else's way of going against the grain and getting enjoyment out of a product that might not be conducive to RPing on the surface. That doesn't mean it can't support RPing, however. |
There ARE places that DO support roleplaying. There are a MILLION places that are DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP to support roleplaying.
Why do it here where people will make fun of you, where you have a restrictive interface, where you have so many problems and obstacles?
It makes no sense at all.
"because we can" is not an answer.
Sekkira
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Originally Posted by Kakumei
"because we can" is not an answer.
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~ Star Maiden ~
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Originally Posted by Kakumei
BUT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT AT ALL.
There ARE places that DO support roleplaying. There are a MILLION places that are DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP to support roleplaying. Why do it here where people will make fun of you, where you have a restrictive interface, where you have so many problems and obstacles? It makes no sense at all. "because we can" is not an answer. |
I'm really not interesting in getting into an argument with you over it, Kakumei. I've stated my opinion and you've stated yours, as have others, and it's clear people just have different views on it. So leave it at that.
Rent
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Originally Posted by Sekkira
Yes it is. Just not the one you're after.
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Kakumei
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Umm, "because we can" may not be the answer you like to hear, but it is an answer. It's proven by the simple fact these guilds exist and people are RPing in GW, however small the community might be in comparison to the whole, and however you might shake your head in disbelief.
I'm really not interesting in getting into an argument with you over it, Kakumei. I've stated my opinion and you've stated yours, as have others, and it's clear people just have different views on it. So leave it at that. |
I'm not making fun of anyone. I'm not looking down on the roleplayers, being one myself. I just don't do it in GW, because there are places better suited for it. I just want to understand why people would do it here.
Thunderbolt300
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Because it takes effort. An ENORMOUS amount. You're restricted in so many ways, there's no 'ops', there's no admins watching to make sure that your sessions are uninterrupted and unmolested.
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As for why, though... just to humor you, mind you.
Some people bought Guild Wars and found roleplaying here. They don't know of any other roleplaying games and in that respect, have the mentality of "ignorance is bliss." Additionally, it's not so much the game that matters so much as the people. The roleplaying community is extremely friendly because we've faced a lot over the past year and we've done it together. Who DOESN'T like to play with their friends (or RP, for that matter)? So, in that respect, the RP community is self-sustaining. We keep with Guild Wars because we all do, and we enjoy playing together. Other people, however, can't afford a better RP-friendly game. Others, like myself, find Guild Wars RP to be significantly easier than in other games.
Sekkira
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Originally Posted by Rent
Because we can is not an answer, it's a cop out. I can rip my toenails out at the roots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Roleplaying around people that will mock, harass, and distract you, trying to get a good post on a entry line like that of the guild wars chat, and attempting to not go crazy, seems like it would be just as painful as trying to rip out your toenails. Honestly.. you really -can't- rp in guild wars, not the way that rp was meant to occur.
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Rent
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Oh, noone said it was a good answer. We just said it was an answer. Ripping your toenails out at the roots is an idea, so is eating shit on a plate. Noone every said it was good. And those who do have problems.
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Sekkira
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Originally Posted by Rent
That is the point.. did you like.. read the whole post?
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Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt300
No community ever got strong by shirking away from challenges, no? We've been griefed, and ridiculed, and half a dozen other things, but it hardly matters anymore. We have guild halls and team chat and we thrive there, and in a lot of cases, publically. We just ignore anyone who has a problem with us.
I've been an administrator- and host- of at least four NeverWinter RP servers over the past four years. I can tell you up front that there are a lot of issues that I had to deal with that no one has to deal with in Guild Wars before the game world is already laid out for us. Places like GuildWiki outline all the lore and knowledge we need. Guild Wars roleplay, for me, is a very welcome break from the normal server-politics on NeverWinter. Sadly, in its waning days, NeverWinter has broken down into a conglomeration of kids, and horribly enough, elitist jerks. Very few roleplaying servers of any worth remain. There's no pain, there's no annoyance. We have no trouble. I went from NeverWinter- a "superior" roleplaying game- to Guild Wars. Yes, there was a minor transition and my having to get used to not being able to walk ( ) but I've gotten used to it and I enjoy my time far more than I have on NeverWinter.There's little effort involved. We just crack down and we do it easily, and we have a blast doing it! As for why, though... just to humor you, mind you. Some people bought Guild Wars and found roleplaying here. They don't know of any other roleplaying games and in that respect, have the mentality of "ignorance is bliss." Additionally, it's not so much the game that matters so much as the people. The roleplaying community is extremely friendly because we've faced a lot over the past year and we've done it together. Who DOESN'T like to play with their friends (or RP, for that matter)? So, in that respect, the RP community is self-sustaining. We keep with Guild Wars because we all do, and we enjoy playing together. Other people, however, can't afford a better RP-friendly game. Others, like myself, find Guild Wars RP to be significantly easier than in other games. |
~ Star Maiden ~
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Originally Posted by Rent
Because we can is not an answer, it's a cop out. I can rip my toenails out at the roots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Roleplaying around people that will mock, harass, and distract you, trying to get a good post on a entry line like that of the guild wars chat, and attempting to not go crazy, seems like it would be just as painful as trying to rip out your toenails. Honestly.. you really -can't- rp in guild wars, not the way that rp was meant to occur.
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Why do humans want to explore the unknown, like space, or the deep oceans, or uncharted areas of the world? If we don't know what's there, but know one thing -- that it could be deadly -- why do we do it? Because we like to punish ourselves?
No. Because it's there, and we can. Because we like to TRY, we like to STRIVE, we like to work to accomplish something even when everyone else and their pets say we CAN'T. That's human nature.
I look at a boxer and say to myself, "Why in the world would anyone want to deliberately hurt themselves like that??" and I would never do such a thing, but that doesn't mean that just because I don't agree with it, someone else sees something in it. Maybe the person wants to make money, maybe the person likes the thrill of battle, maybe the person just has this natural fighting skill and wants to channel it somewhere.
There's no *intrinsic* value to boxing, but because someone CAN do it and can find a reason to do it, that's enough. It may baffle you or me, but it's true.
The same can be applied to GW. Obviously, the game mechanic isn't directly set up to make it fully accommodating to RPers, but that doesn't mean YOU CAN'T DO IT.
Enough said.
Thunderbolt300
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IRC is free. MUDs are free. They're easy, they're free, the only difference is that they're text-based. Are you telling me that you're sticking with GW solely because of the reason it's graphical?
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Hm. I'll have to go with a, "Yes," on that one, my friend. IRC and other similar methods just aren't the same!
Sekkira
Oh dear, here we go again @_@;
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt300
Come to think of it, Guild Wars does dominate in the graphical area...
Hm. I'll have to go with a, "Yes," on that one, my friend. IRC and other similar methods just aren't the same! |
~ Star Maiden ~
Let's just all agree to disagree.
And Kakumei we're not so far apart on one thing. If you'll look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I mentioned how none of the MMOs really encourage/support true RPing, like the PnP experience does, and that I wish someone would try to make an MMO that could reproduce that feeling. So even though we don't agree about GW and RPing, I do agree that GW isn't the best game to try RPing in.
And Kakumei we're not so far apart on one thing. If you'll look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I mentioned how none of the MMOs really encourage/support true RPing, like the PnP experience does, and that I wish someone would try to make an MMO that could reproduce that feeling. So even though we don't agree about GW and RPing, I do agree that GW isn't the best game to try RPing in.
Sai of Winter
I remember there were a bunch of RPer's in Lion's Arch, but I heard they moved to a new location. I'm not going to mention where they are because I know someone will go there and act like a jerk to them, ruining everyone's fun, and insult them in leet speak. Although, time has passed and they might not be there anymore or probably relocated. There is this one person that comes to a certain town and is a fun RPer. She's always in character and enjoys having fun with the people she knows (good friends) and vice versa. Sometimes they like insulting each other RP style, good ol' crude satire.
Cjlr
If you're interested in RPing I highly suggest you head on over to the Sanitarium and sign the petition there... I would hazard a guess that most of you already have, but nonetheless, in case you haven't...
Sure, Guild Wars might not be the most conducive environment to role-playing, but what is? If something is possible, someone will try it.
I've wandered across some RPers in the International Districts in my time. I'm always polite and deferential and let them be. It's so much nicer to see than the bots and farmers and sh*t crowding most places.
Sure, Guild Wars might not be the most conducive environment to role-playing, but what is? If something is possible, someone will try it.
I've wandered across some RPers in the International Districts in my time. I'm always polite and deferential and let them be. It's so much nicer to see than the bots and farmers and sh*t crowding most places.
Kakumei
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If you're interested in RPing I highly suggest you head on over to the Sanitarium and sign the petition there... I would hazard a guess that most of you already have, but nonetheless, in case you haven't...
Sure, Guild Wars might not be the most conducive environment to role-playing, but what is? If something is possible, someone will try it. I've wandered across some RPers in the International Districts in my time. I'm always polite and deferential and let them be. It's so much nicer to see than the bots and farmers and sh*t crowding most places. |
Cjlr
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IRC. I covered this.
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Couldn't the argument be made that Guild Wars is an IRC channel? Except with a complex graphical shell running in the background?
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Andy_M
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Couldn't the argument be made that Guild Wars is an IRC channel? Except with a complex graphical shell running in the background?
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Thats basically how I treat the game. I don't use MSN or Yahoo, my mates know to try GW first before any other method.
Grimm
I love roleplaying, but GW is not designed for it. In fact, most online RPGs aren't. Hell, most RPGs period aren't. The only online RPGs I know of where there is roleplaying is on RP MUDs. There are many that enforce roleplaying, meaning if you speak out of character consistently, you'll be kicked.
That said, I do roleplay in GW occasionally. Sometimes guildmates get togother and we dance for tips (fully clothed). We roleplay the whole thing out like we're traveling performers and such. It's fun.
That said, I do roleplay in GW occasionally. Sometimes guildmates get togother and we dance for tips (fully clothed). We roleplay the whole thing out like we're traveling performers and such. It's fun.
Traveller
I sometimes try to "act" like my characters would and make it a little deeper experience. Instead of saying "LFG mission" I can say "Are there any brave souls willing to venture through the Ice Caves?" What's funny, I've found a more thought-out messages tend to find me more thought-out players to party with than your average "LFG".
And sometimes I just talk about myself in 3rd person. I have probably bored my guildies to death with my travel stories, since my main char is specialized in taking nice screenies from around the world of Tyria. I dislike competitive playing to an extent and sometimes am just content to explore and have fun without a real "goal" in mind.
And sometimes I just talk about myself in 3rd person. I have probably bored my guildies to death with my travel stories, since my main char is specialized in taking nice screenies from around the world of Tyria. I dislike competitive playing to an extent and sometimes am just content to explore and have fun without a real "goal" in mind.
Grimm
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IRC. I covered this.
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If you can't role-play in a text-based environment, then how do you have enough imagination to role-play at all? Original roleplaying games were language-based (tabletop/pen'n'paper RPGs) and that is how I think the roleplaying experience is best. It allows you to use your imagination more and do things you can't in a graphics engine. Same with books vs movies.
Juicey Shake
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Its really hard to RP in this game. Too many people curse you out. :|
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Mavrik
I never have any luck finding anyone who is role playing when I'm on... 