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Kariston The Swift

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Sand Scorpions[SS]

R/Me

14 Mar 2006 at 06:33 - 721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mavrik
Wow... Anet has a server go down and people begin to act retarded.

Basicly from what I'm reading (and hoping is true) that since Anet is restarting the game from an hour before the problem became known... that anything done during that erased hour will be lost. There goes all your FOW armor haha... yes I laugh because I wasn't on to take advantage of the drop in prices to be bummed out knowing I could lose it all anyway...

PvE vs PvP?

Well its about time something happened to piss off the PvP folks who otherwise complain and always get their way. "oh thats to hard a build... nerf it please!" and get their wish. Because of all the demands for changes in PvP, its PvE that suffers... AoE nerf and a pile of other skills that worked VERY well in PvE until some PvP people cried to much and got it nerfed.

I'm more then happy to sit here staring at an error=72 for a while as long as it pisses off the PvP people. Now you know how we PvE people feel when you always get your way. Not that we want this down time but its about time you got the short end of the stick to.

As for "only the good players play a real game... PvP" people... Your the very reason I don't PvP... bunch of stuck ups is what you are. So elite but you gotta cry about very skill. When's the last time someone in PvE complained about a skill being to overpowering? Um... never since there hasn't even been a first.

Anyway... guess I'll go make some dinner. play nice people...

What do PvP players have anything to do with the AoE nerf o.O And PvE players get some good skills nerfed too like say...Prot bond :P Would have be a very viable skill coupled with Essence bond and balthazars spirit oh well :P.

I'm pretty glad about the rollback though so I can laugh at all my friends who bought tons of shards. :P

Sid Doog

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

DR (Drunkin Rangers)

E/Me

14 Mar 2006 at 06:52 - 722
everything i farming in the new uw is gone my 4 greens and 3 gold items i didnt buy anything but they took my farming stuf

Symeon

Symeon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

14 Mar 2006 at 07:03 - 723
Yay! Great job, Anet. I missed it all, but I can see you did the right thing, no matter how many innocent people lost some of their stuff. It's the only way, and all the people that were hoarding items should have foreseen it. I salute you.

Dav85

Dav85

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Mar 2006 at 07:13 - 724
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid Doog
everything i farming in the new uw is gone my 4 greens and 3 gold items i didnt buy anything but they took my farming stuf
if this is true i'm sorry for u but u know it's the right thing.
what u think, that your greens would have worth more than a couple of k in a world where anyone had the storage full of runes a gems?

cmon, u know this was inevitable

Sha Noran

Sha Noran

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq

Idiot Savants [iQ]

R/

14 Mar 2006 at 07:50 - 725
Why oh WHY didn't this happen on April 1st. That would have been priceless.

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 09:18 - 726
Not priceless, but about 250g ;p

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 10:02 - 727
wow, i didnt know there was this much people willing to cheat in gw, ive been there, had 100k gp on me, and i didnt buy anything, and i congratulate everyone who could and didnt, rest im sorry for you

Lady Cream

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 10:12 - 728
too bad they didn't rollbacked the 1st time it happened... but at least they learned from their mistakes, so good job arenanet.

Raif

Raif

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ireland

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 10:18 - 729
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
wow, i didnt know there was this much people willing to cheat in gw,
Sorry mate i have an issue with this. For some of us, we thought it was a market reset - it happened before why not happen again. There was no thought of exploit, rather simply misunderstanding. Especially since Anet did not rollback then.
Again well done on the rollback, wish it hadnt been rolled back so far GMT since i didnt even notice the market change til way past 10

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 10:23 - 730
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raif
Sorry mate i have an issue with this. For some of us, we thought it was a market reset - it happened before why not happen again. There was no thought of exploit, rather simply misunderstanding. Especially since Anet did not rollback then.
Again well done on the rollback, wish it hadnt been rolled back so far GMT since i didnt even notice the market change til way past 10
misunderstanding? please, you guys been playing this game for so long you could understand something wrong was going on, market prices dont just drop that fast, only a hack, bug, etc.. could cause that, and many people who bought items that moment knew this wasnt just a misunderstanding, i dont blame people, its very hard to asve for fow armor, or buy expensive items, but thats just the part of all fun, some people just want to reach their goals by cheating somehow

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

14 Mar 2006 at 10:44 - 731
This was a bad mistake, but calling every player who is not farming 24 7 or gets a VERY lucky drop in fow, or gets a VERY lucky drop in HoH a cheater is a bit too much.

Some players have luck and some don't. Not every aspect of this game is about skill, only the pvp part is. PVE is about luck. Preety bad luck here for us.
Good thing it's a game and not our real bank. Anet made a mistake, and they appologized for it. Ok, appology accepted (duh), lets continue having bad/good luck in PVE, shall we?

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 10:48 - 732
i didnt call people cheater, read again , i called people cheater, who bought tons of shards/runes when server was bugged/hacked, i am spending my hours in fow/uw/totpk myself.

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

14 Mar 2006 at 10:51 - 733
Good for you than. I also spend most of my ingame time in fow/uw and I get shitty drops every time. It sux having bad luck huh?
They didn't cheat, its wasnt their problem, it was an error of the game. Too bad for everyone.

Phrozenflame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

14 Mar 2006 at 10:52 - 734
People who are whinning about this, will, from a week start whinning about the GW Economy gone screw.

Tail of a dog can never be straightened.

You ppl simply fail to see the bigger picture, Its better to sacrifice 2 hours of hardwork than face a constant misery due to a failed economy for next few months.


Yes, its indeed ArenaNet's mistake that the trader prices were reset...and they should be criticised for it...its not the first time this happened.. and Gaile, cmon, we need a special gift or something all this... which lasts a week or so...you know something special...lots of people lost alot of stuff they got without being involved in this...they deserve something, even just as a token. =]

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 10:53 - 735
The thing I'm not too happy about is I spent a long time trading with people before this happened and now the Items I got at good prices will have gone!

It is OK to say it is good for the economy, but when you have next to nothing and you do a good trade to get something better than that pointy stick you had...

And another point for the misunderstanding, for some of us it was a clear misunderstanding since I do not play the game that often now and have not had it for years etc.. I went and bought what I needed I did not buy loads to make money on, all I bought was 1 sup vigor. Also, how would anyone know that it was not intentional? i.e devalue everything before Factions??? If you go to a trader and they offer it to you for a price and you could afford it, would you not buy it?

The problem with this was that people got too greedy, in the hopes that when things are locked down again they can sell their shards etc.. for several k and make some serious money. I don't see that buying from a trader can be seen as cheating, you have to get a quote for the items. Buying it for 250g then selling for 2k is cheeky but once again not really cheating! Cheating is being run from Ascalon to ascension in my book.

Next time you are in a shop and the till operator runs an item through the till, that item should be priced at £100 according to the sticker but the price given by the till is £1 how much would you pay?

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 10:55 - 736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inari
They didn't cheat, its wasnt their problem, it was an error of the game. Too bad for everyone.
everyone exploiting a game bug is a cheater, period

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:04 - 737
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
everyone exploiting a game bug is a cheater, period
And everyone in the game knows it is a bug????

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

14 Mar 2006 at 11:04 - 738
Yeah, everyone knew at the exact time that it was a bug. Dirty cheaters! Now they can buy a chaos axe with 15^50 with is a whole lot better than a 15^50 great axe! Damn cheaters!

I never cheat in any game, but I did buy some shards. Point is, this "cheat" would not have affected anything but prices. People would still play the same way as before, they would just look better visually. Thats it. Give them a break man, not every has the privilage or luck as other players have.
Get over yourself will ya?

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 11:06 - 739
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretalon
And everyone in the game knows it is a bug????
no, i bet they were thinking " ohhhhh how nice of the anet dropping prices this low , oh they are so nice people "

1 second ago a shard was 3k+ , after a second it was 240 gp, i bet people didnt think it was a bug

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

14 Mar 2006 at 11:08 - 740
It did happen before, I am sure you are aware of it. Right?
What could they possibly gain in terms of gameplsy from this bug?
it's not a cheat, stop acting all elitist please.

[FnG] Lazz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Fun 'n' Games

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 11:10 - 741
I thought it was a reset tbh, hence I brought several superior vigors before the prices went up.

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 11:12 - 742
so buying 200 sup runes for 240 gp each and selling them 60k each is not a cheat? buying 200 shards for 250 gp and selling them for 3.5k is not a cheat?
what could they gain? ill tell you, fow armor, if they didnt rollback the server we would be seeing ascalon full of people wearing fow armors, which is as you know the hardest to gain armor in the game, im not even mentioning the weapons they woulds use, thus we real players who spend their hours farming for some money would be farming for nothing, spending our hours for nothing, that was a cheat and people cheated, period , thank god anet rolled the server back, just admit it was a cheat and get a relief, i wont say no more on this topic, good day everyone

Peewee

Peewee

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

London, England

I Uprising I [RAGE]

R/

14 Mar 2006 at 11:14 - 743
i hink its a shame that some people dont have the good grace to stop exploiting what is clearly a bug. It simply destroys the economy, and in the long run simply devalues not only the items, but the game as well. Thank you ANET for the roll-back, lets keep this game what it really does very well, which is balanced.

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:14 - 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
no, i bet they were thinking " ohhhhh how nice of the anet dropping prices this low , oh they are so nice people "

1 second ago a shard was 3k+ , after a second it was 240 gp, i bet people didnt think it was a bug
I was at the rune trader after I had done some trading, I was looking through the list of runes, not really bought any for my character so was looking for something of use, I saw a sup vigor 250g and I bought it and then left and added it to my armor!

How in the world would I know how much something was worth a second before I bought it?

If you play on a regular basis then yes you would know the value of things, but would you know that the prices were not lowered intentionally?

Just after I had bought my sup vigor people started posting messages OMG sup vig at 250g etc.. by then I had already added it to my armor.... Am I in the wrong???? I don't think so!

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

14 Mar 2006 at 11:16 - 745
Dude! All they would have baught is looks!

And when the last reset occured, I know players who baught 20,000 ectos. and there was no rollback. Imagine that. Good day elitist.

Pete1975

Pete1975

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester

Mo/Me

14 Mar 2006 at 11:17 - 746
OMG I managed to get a req 7 15>50 dwarven axe last night and ANET took it off me :P

Actually I'm glad they reset it, even though I did buy over 2000 shards as the economy would have just been ruined, and no it wasn't cheating it was opportunism and and plain Human nature, people who use bots cheat, people who scam cheat etc etc....

So people can step down off there moral soap boxes.

Just incase anyone has forgot THIS IS ONLY A GAME....

Raif

Raif

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ireland

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:25 - 747
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
everyone exploiting a game bug is a cheater, period
how very black and white of you to say so. This is one of those shades of grey areas sadly. I have never exploited/scammed or cheated in GW. To generalize and label lots of people as game exploiters is pretty lame.
to say it again. A market reset happened before why cant it happen again and SINCE the majority of the forums were down including the main site for me, there was no information to state otherwise. So get off your little soapbox of generalisations and cut some slack.

there is enough labels out there without adding more


"so buying 200 sup runes for 240 gp each and selling them 60k each is not a cheat? buying 200 shards for 250 gp and selling them for 3.5k is not a cheat?"

Sorry, im sure a possible minority of people did this but you have NO idea what the majority did nor what their intentions were. Although i am damn impressed you managed to crawl into everyones heads and work out we were all exploiting a bug. Yep we did .. damn hands slapped .. no no we couldnt possibly have bought 1 to 5 runes for our own account.. naww.. lets buy and sell sell sell. *sarcasm aura*

Me? i bought 5 runes to for my account characters. But I'm so pleased you were able to lump all of us under your convenient little flag of righteousness and wave it while taking the moral high ground. Seriously, you should consider getting involved in local politics.

Sai of Winter

Sai of Winter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

[ale]

Mo/

14 Mar 2006 at 11:25 - 748
So...were there some angry mobs once everybody finally log back in the game?

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:31 - 749
Don't know yet, I logged off when it started getting mad with people swarming round the rune trader. Not been back on yet!

Raif

Raif

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ireland

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:34 - 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
lol, you just dont get it do you? =)

nevermind, im glad everything is back to normal and thats what matters
yes mate, sorry, i should have closed my mind to relate to you better.

On a side note, this is getting too close to flaming so enough from me on this . I concur on the rollback issue though, a good thing

Reiver Fluffi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bo'ness, Scotland

Border Reivers [BORE]

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:36 - 751
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
everyone exploiting a game bug is a cheater, period
FACT: Nobody cheated!
OPINION: You are just bitter!

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 11:37 - 752
no no no no no flaming at all mate =) im just saying my opnion =) i dont want to act as an a..hole to people (and please forgive my english im not every good with it ) im sorry if i insulted people, those were just my opinions, i never cheated in any game in my life, and i never will, and i just dont think its right doing it, we cool raif?

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 11:37 - 753
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiver Fluffi
FACT: Nobody cheated!
OPINION: You are just bitter!
ok

Raif

Raif

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ireland

N/W

14 Mar 2006 at 11:38 - 754
np mate

pozexis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Genesis Of Fire

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 11:38 - 755
sweet then =)

NJudson

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

14 Mar 2006 at 12:01 - 756
Well, despite all the frustrations that people have experienced with this, at least the there is no monthly fee associated with the game.

linz85

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

notts uk

UndergroundUk (uguk)

E/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 12:26 - 757
no when they moved the old europe server thing to the new europe server, the data for the merchants did not get moved with this, therefore creating havoc with the trading prices. Gaile, when i posted the error, it must of been the time when Anet was re=rolling the servers back or when they froze the game. After reading the forums today, i realized that then was the time roughly about when we was trying to do the mission. so i gather it was just a problem that Anet was fixing.

XeNoGeArZ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

14 Mar 2006 at 12:41 - 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJudson
Well, despite all the frustrations that people have experienced with this, at least the there is no monthly fee associated with the game.
If there existed a monthly fee, I wouldn't even be playing the game in the first place to experience such "frustrations". It's good to look on the bright side, but the matter of p2p has nothing to do with it from the beginning.

Sephy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

14 Mar 2006 at 13:41 - 759
Quote:
Originally Posted by pozexis
no, i bet they were thinking " ohhhhh how nice of the anet dropping prices this low , oh they are so nice people "

1 second ago a shard was 3k+ , after a second it was 240 gp, i bet people didnt think it was a bug
You just don't get it, do you? There has been an *intended* trader reset before (with no rollback, obviously). Therefore, we had no reason to believe we were exploiting a bug.

This has been mentioned a thousand times in this thread, but I guess reading isn't easy hmm?

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

14 Mar 2006 at 14:16 - 760
Lol, everyone is acting as if Anet is doing you a favor with the game being free of monthly fee and such, among other things.

They may be nice ppl, and we all may love them for this game, but you have to remember that they still want you to buy and pklay this game. It's their job, there are no favors here, only smart thinking.

Good thing they are smart.