Unless I totally missed out on a rise in prices, I think I'll be farming for one unless I get a decent seller.
And today seems the day for WoW accounts on the market, I see about 3 people selling one.
Zealous
Jas D
So I'm in Droknars and I'm trying to buy a zealous sword hilt, I get 2 offers and they are both selling one for 10k. Wtf? Since when did something like this, cost this much? Purple items have zealous for christ sake, I could buy one of those and salvage it for about 500 gold.
Unless I totally missed out on a rise in prices, I think I'll be farming for one unless I get a decent seller.
And today seems the day for WoW accounts on the market, I see about 3 people selling one.
Unless I totally missed out on a rise in prices, I think I'll be farming for one unless I get a decent seller.
And today seems the day for WoW accounts on the market, I see about 3 people selling one.
The Mighty Toe
Try in Lion's Arch, people there usually have good prices for stuff. I bought my Zealous hilt for 1k 
Former Ruling
BLUE has zealous, its one of the lowest mods avialable.
They were just hoping you were a nub so you could filter money form you.
RELATED: I was buying Wroth's Rod and Icon set and this guy asked 15k for them. I just said no thank you, turned around, and bought them seperately for ~1k each.
They were just hoping you were a nub so you could filter money form you.
RELATED: I was buying Wroth's Rod and Icon set and this guy asked 15k for them. I just said no thank you, turned around, and bought them seperately for ~1k each.
Jas D
It's making me so angry though, I can't get one! :| I'v tried LA, Droks, Ascalon even..
Alcazanar
Some people are crazy and hope to infect you.
Take some soda and buy for a serious price dont
even bother them...
Take some soda and buy for a serious price dont
even bother them...
Zaxan Razor
Had the same problem buying a zealous axe upgrade. People wanted me to buy them for 5-10k!
I just gave up and killed trolls til i got one
I just gave up and killed trolls til i got one
Yichi
People are charging more for them because more and more people are realising that its a good mod. much better than sundering...
kvndoom
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People are charging more for them because more and more people are realising that its a good mod. much better than sundering...
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dont feel no pain
ebon is better than sundering ^^ lol
eudas
I'm interested in why everyone says sundering is so bad... can anyone explain it in detail?
eudas
eudas
IIIPowerIII
You've got like 1 hit on 10 to get 1 more dam, how's that good???
eudas
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You've got like 1 hit on 10 to get 1 more dam, how's that good???
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What would work better in comparison?
*some* extra damage some of the time is better than no extra damage all of the time, right?
I'm basically looking for someone to explain, in detail, and show their work...
I've read the entry for Sundering on guildwiki, and even looked at the external link to someone's spreadsheet, but while I can get the general gist, it's still not perfectly transparent on the "why" question.
eudas
Sagius Truthbarron
I got 4 offers from Chinese Farmers in LA AD1 this morning to buy their Zealous Axe Hafts for 10k. Then it went down to 5k, at which point I bought one out of desperation.
Bugeater
@eudas
Here's two links that should help you a lot:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/search.php?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=118344
Here's two links that should help you a lot:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/search.php?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=118344
IIIPowerIII
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How did you arrive at those numbers?
What would work better in comparison? *some* extra damage some of the time is better than no extra damage all of the time, right? I'm basically looking for someone to explain, in detail, and show their work... I've read the entry for Sundering on guildwiki, and even looked at the external link to someone's spreadsheet, but while I can get the general gist, it's still not perfectly transparent on the "why" question. eudas |
MMSDome
i have experienced the same confusion. Nearly all my qaxes are modded with zealous and I usually buy them for 1k. Recently people have been wanting 5k and all that bs which totally blows me away.
Ill sell you a zealous sword hilt for 1k just pm me IG: Acherulis Maximus
Ill sell you a zealous sword hilt for 1k just pm me IG: Acherulis Maximus
Dazzen
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People are charging more for them because more and more people are realising that its a good mod. much better than sundering...
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Zealous is absolutely brilliant yet underappreciated, i'd rank it best hilt/haft (but not for hammers). Ho well, let people pay thousands of gold on addtional damage mods...
@the op, i've had a hard time finding such a mod online, here's my advice if you're not in a hurry : check the auction i bought one for 600g there.
Jas D
Well, I got my zealous sword mod but I need an axe mod now.. here come the 5k-12k offers! Gotta love it.
If anyone has an axe haft, my IGN is Mr Indomitable. Thanks though MMS, if you have one of these let me know. I'm tired of dealing with these idiots.
And yes, I love zealous.. it's great. Sundering really is horrible, I dislike it. I don't see how they go for as much as they do personally. I love vampiric also..
If anyone has an axe haft, my IGN is Mr Indomitable. Thanks though MMS, if you have one of these let me know. I'm tired of dealing with these idiots.
And yes, I love zealous.. it's great. Sundering really is horrible, I dislike it. I don't see how they go for as much as they do personally. I love vampiric also..
wsmcasey
I prefer 20% chance +1 mods.
Jas D
I'v got a hammer mastery +1 20% rotting in my storage.
ElderAtronach
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I prefer 20% chance +1 mods.
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Get a vampiric weapon and a zealous weapon.
chaos dragoon
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I'm interested in why everyone says sundering is so bad... can anyone explain it in detail?
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Zephro
Damn Chinese farmers inflating the price of everything. Don't pay more than 2k for a Zealous Mod.
Kate Bloodspirit
Use the auctions site, every junk is dirt cheap there
stickyballs
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BLUE has zealous, its one of the lowest mods avialable.
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Fyre Brand
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ALL mods are blue in the PvE game. It is only when you are unlocking stuff on the Factions Reward screen do you see that some mods are blue and others are gold. Also, blue weapons do not make it any worse than a gold weapon (HoD weps anyone?). It is just rarity.
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stickyballs
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I don't think that is what Former is saying. He is saying that a blue weapon drop which can contain a zealous mod is fairly common. Yes in pve all mods are blue once salvaged, but the weapon color before it's salvaged can be blue, purple or gold. It isn't just the fact that their drop percentage is rarer, but the damage range, inherent damage mods, and pre and postfix mods determine the rarity quality of a weapon. For example you won't see a blue sword drop that is 15-22 damage, req 9, 15>50, vamp 3/1 and +1 sword 20%. That drop will definitely be gold. If you salvage it the hilt or pommel will be blue.
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IIIPowerIII
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I prefer 20% chance +1 mods.
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That is true. Didn't really understand what he meant. But I do know quite a 15^50 sword that drops and is blue. Blue just means more common. Just because a mod is more common doesn't mean it isn't as good. An Armor +5 mod is great as it is cheap compared to +30 Fortitude and it's common. People have this fascination w/ having items that are rare but might not even have a utility purpose whereas there are a quite a few common mods that are good.
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JiggyFly
I don't like zealous because I gain 1 energy a hit, I like zealous because I'm stealing 1 energy a hit from that s.o.b. Monk who keeps healing his teamates.
I always thought it odd when zealous upgrades for axes and swords started getting so high, since you'd think they never would since every zealous upgrade gives exactly the same amount of zealousness (
), while only a small percent of sundering upgrades are considered worthy of use. And yet the price continues to rise...
I always thought it odd when zealous upgrades for axes and swords started getting so high, since you'd think they never would since every zealous upgrade gives exactly the same amount of zealousness (
), while only a small percent of sundering upgrades are considered worthy of use. And yet the price continues to rise...
Sekkira
The 20% chance +1 Attribute mod is actually quite a good one for a main weapon. Say if you get a Horn Bow for ranger spike, a 5:1 vamp and a 20% chance +1 Marksmanship mod is far superior to that of say +x Armour or +30 HP. Sure you only have a chance of doing slightly more damage, but there is no other suffix mods that add any sort of damage (aside from Deathbane, Tenguslaying, etc. Too specific though.).
Obviously you're not going to have your vampiric up all the time, only when you're going to do some serious damage, so you're going to have an either Zealous or something else + a +x AL or +30 HP on your switchout.
Obviously you're not going to have your vampiric up all the time, only when you're going to do some serious damage, so you're going to have an either Zealous or something else + a +x AL or +30 HP on your switchout.
Sekkira
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I don't like zealous because I gain 1 energy a hit, I like zealous because I'm stealing 1 energy a hit from that s.o.b. Monk who keeps healing his teamates.
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Lowly Peasant
Would be nice if they buffed the zealous for us hammer warriors, especially since hammer tends to be more energy dependant.
Dazzen
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Zealous doesn't steal energy, you only gain energy per hit. Otherwise it would be overpowered. On a sword or axe, zealous is (during normal hitting) equivilant to slightly more that +1 pip. While you're in frenzy/tf/whatever attack speed buff you use, it is worth much more than the 1 pip you lose.
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The Real Roy Keane
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Indeed. I've never tried a zealous hammer since its base attack speed is a bit too slow to make up for the zealous mod. 2 energy/hit zealous mod would be a nice way of boosting hammers.
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Dazzen
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Swords and axes strike every 1.33 seconds, provided you're not in an IAS stance. I think, but I'm not sure, that hammers attack every 1.75 seconds. If a zealous hammer mod was to net you 2 energy per hit, it'd be overpowered, unfortunately.
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Here are the terms used :
Base atk. speed = Base attack speed of the weapon, (ie time beetween each atack).
Atk/s = Number of attack/s (derived from base atk. speed).
Atk/s (IAS) = Same as above but with a 33% attack speed increase. Tiger fury, frenzy, etc.
E gain = Equivalent number of energy pips . (considering every attack hits)
E gain (IAS) = same as above but under increased attack speed.
VER = Virtual energy regeneration. This is the total equivalent of energy pips (1 energy pip remaining out of the 2 original, + energy gain). This is virtual because you don't see the energy pips but have the equivalent regen.
VER (IAS) = Same as above but with increased attack speed.
Honestly, i see little interest in the hammer zealous mod as it is, under IAS it is not too bad but not as good as an axe or sword upgrade.
Bob of Maple Ave
My friend posted a WTB for an Icy Bow String, someone replied they wanted 5k for one. I saw someone spamming a WTS Staff Wrapping of Fortitude +22 hp 15k yesterday in ToA. I whispered him and told him that I couldn't sell a +28 for 3k. He said he knew, and "shhhh".
I also saw someone trying to sell bleached carapaces (not even shells, mind you) for 15k in the Amnoon Oasis). I PM'd him that I had one that I could part with for only 2k--that would be a huge turnaround for him. No response.
What I don't get is, if you have 15k, or even 5k, how would you have gotten it if you were stupid enough to pay so much for a crappy mod or item like that in the first place? Did you sell one to someone else for 20k?
If so, I've got a +28 staff wrapping of fortitude, only 60k...but for you, I'll go 50k...
These people are either unspeakably stuuuupid, and quite possibly malicious. Yet another strong argument for a larger ignore list.
I also saw someone trying to sell bleached carapaces (not even shells, mind you) for 15k in the Amnoon Oasis). I PM'd him that I had one that I could part with for only 2k--that would be a huge turnaround for him. No response.
What I don't get is, if you have 15k, or even 5k, how would you have gotten it if you were stupid enough to pay so much for a crappy mod or item like that in the first place? Did you sell one to someone else for 20k?
If so, I've got a +28 staff wrapping of fortitude, only 60k...but for you, I'll go 50k...
These people are either unspeakably stuuuupid, and quite possibly malicious. Yet another strong argument for a larger ignore list.
eudas
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I don't like zealous because I gain 1 energy a hit, I like zealous because I'm stealing 1 energy a hit from that s.o.b. Monk who keeps healing his teamates.
I always thought it odd when zealous upgrades for axes and swords started getting so high, since you'd think they never would since every zealous upgrade gives exactly the same amount of zealousness ( ), while only a small percent of sundering upgrades are considered worthy of use. And yet the price continues to rise... |
If you're going to say that it steals energy from the target, we need a source and some testing to verify.
eudas
hm, obviously i need to finish reading ALL replies before replying myself. someone else above also mentions that zealous doesn't "steal" energy. i think that's more correct, but am open to having someone who's tested it clarify.
eudas
stickyballs
Just people trying to scam newcomers. Also, if you haven't logged in in a while you may be behind the times. When I first bought my +29 HP pommel, it was like 60k. A month or two later (after the green invasion) it was like 20k.
Also, after the whole IDS debacle people now thing Icy mods are really rare. When the IDS first came out I saw several people wanting to sell their Icy Hilt for like 10k. Some people even bought it and tried to put on their FDS to see if that was how to get the IDS.
Also, after the whole IDS debacle people now thing Icy mods are really rare. When the IDS first came out I saw several people wanting to sell their Icy Hilt for like 10k. Some people even bought it and tried to put on their FDS to see if that was how to get the IDS.
eudas
alot of the overprice sellers are chinese farmers. i had one try to sell me a victo's for 30k yesterday when i'd seen it commonly advertised (and talked to many sellers) for days around 10-15k.
i kept telling him i'd give him 10k, 10k, 10k, 11k, haggling, you know... got him down to 23k before i gave up. just waited a bit, and a few minutes later someone was advertising 15k. i told him i'd give him 10k, we haggled to 12k. bought it for 12k.
then i went back to the chinese farmer to say "hey guy, i just bought one for 12k", and his reply was "no 25k"... obviously, they no habla engles. they probably only recognize the numbers. stupid chinese farmer. tryin' to out-eudas eudas!
so, ignore the inflated-price chinese farmers. buy american!
eudas
i kept telling him i'd give him 10k, 10k, 10k, 11k, haggling, you know... got him down to 23k before i gave up. just waited a bit, and a few minutes later someone was advertising 15k. i told him i'd give him 10k, we haggled to 12k. bought it for 12k.
then i went back to the chinese farmer to say "hey guy, i just bought one for 12k", and his reply was "no 25k"... obviously, they no habla engles. they probably only recognize the numbers. stupid chinese farmer. tryin' to out-eudas eudas!
so, ignore the inflated-price chinese farmers. buy american!
eudas
fallot
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alot of the overprice sellers are chinese farmers. i had one try to sell me a victo's for 30k yesterday when i'd seen it commonly advertised (and talked to many sellers) for days around 10-15k.
i kept telling him i'd give him 10k, 10k, 10k, 11k, haggling, you know... got him down to 23k before i gave up. just waited a bit, and a few minutes later someone was advertising 15k. i told him i'd give him 10k, we haggled to 12k. bought it for 12k. then i went back to the chinese farmer to say "hey guy, i just bought one for 12k", and his reply was "no 25k"... obviously, they no habla engles. they probably only recognize the numbers. stupid chinese farmer. tryin' to out-eudas eudas! |