stopping the monk invasion

Here is a screenshot in droknar forge. I farm this area as a 55 monk and beleive the 55 monk should be allowed but these ebay bot users I greating a drive from farming area to farming area to a point anet will be forced to nerf all areas from being able to 55.

I implore you to allow a decent area for the 55 to earn what is is able in droknar forge but to patch it so an AI can not do it Or find a way to stop them from overlaying the programs they run. Their are several other places to farm as a 55 But drok is one of the last moderately profitable.

We really need a mod trader and more max bonus stats weapon crafters As well as sheild crafting being added.

Please do not allow the ebay community to destroy the game. Patch it in a way AI progs can not run in game.

Personally i think they should eliminate the 55Hp monk.

By all means each profession should be able to farm on its own, but..that build is way overpowered.

And if they somehow nerfed it, it would kill a lot of bots..tho maybe they'd find another way..bot W/E's perhaps? :P

Even if they found a way to stop 55hp monks all together they really don't "disapear." More can play as a tank wich is probably a scary thought, but Spell Breaker DOES have it's uses and then just ask like a SS necro to do the dirty work. I'm not sure if Anet wants people to solo or not, hard to determine that with what they do and all. As for a patch to make it so that we can have shields, a mod trader, ect... that'll probably unstable alot of the point of farming for some of those. Although I wish I can help mess up those bots. I read in another forum where someone found a way to do that by joining them and then place a spirit or use Vital Blessing on them to screw up the build.

Most of the asian farmeres there are not bots, but people working in sweatshops for very little pay. This makes it extremely hard to prevent because what they are doing is legal as far as I know.

There are weapon collectors for nearly every weapon type in the desert. There are weapon crafters for things like axes, swords, and hammers in Droknar's Forge that have max damage mods and 15%^50 mods. There is a shield collector that makes a max defense shield with a 45/-2 mod in stance, the best it gets. You don't need very much money to get the best gear in the game.

Want to stop the 55 monk? remove everything that drops the monk's health to 55 as well as simply nerf all the great skills a 55 monk uses... why hell just remove monks all together... who needs em since the build is obviously being exploited... geez....

btw I was sarcastic

Almost any class can run a 55 build. Maybe not as efficient as a Mo/w though. I believe that it should be nerfed as well. Solo farming is lame. The game was not meant for one player to run through farming for their money. Yeah it would get rid of most of the solo farming bots and make the int. districts a better place where you dont have to have your local filter off. :]

I'll gladly farm with you if you'll give me all your drops.

Oh but you don't want to do that do you?

Fine I'll go by myself

Just put a dryder or something there with vampiric touch and max blood.

Actually, just put a necro monster in farmable areas that has vampiric touch or use mobs that have physical damage and add in necro monsters that use order of the vampire like in the second half of elonas.

i run a 55 monk to farm can make 100-150k a day after work no problem. it is a awsome farmer. its the ebay and traders doing this who need stopped.
55 is easy but 55 well does take skill. I feel those who push its limits should reep the reward, but these people jacking mod prices up to make more on ebay is what has crippled this market. Gold is easy to make yes. But to eliminate everything that allows people to deal with the market. Thats obserd.

Yes the 55 has had a major impact on the economy but its not the average player whos at fault. We need something in the market to regulate pricing and we need something in the game to prevent background progs running.

And Yes if 55 Farming is nerfed then 55 becomes a tank. A way over powered tank. Whos smite goes axe or sword and melee's to high heaven from energy gain. Like tanks aren't wanted enough already.lol

I had some fun with some chinese bots(people?) in Droks today, it was wierd, one bot even had automated responses that came up in the chat. Stuff like "lol" "go go go" and even continued whispering me after I had kicked him from my party!

Basically I would cast vital blessing on the bot then when it died I would cast unyielding aura to rez it. After it was rezed it would start the whole farming sequence again! I did this 3 times before the bot left.

Here are some pics....

Who is to say that these are bots and not some Monks just trying to get skill points and gold for more skills for all or most secoundary profs?If you were to nerf the 55 monk all it means is those who use to use them will simply turn toward a a good Warrior build which can farm anything so in the end it it would be futile effort.I will say this that is has gotten out of hand with all the runes up in price as it time to leave the runes alone.I say this becuase if some one need just 1 or 2 sup. runes and they are low on gold they can't afford them.It is only the Monk runes that are way to high in price as well the the Warrior sup. absorb. rune.

The 55 build is something thats been around to long. To much profit has been made from it if you said you can rake in 100-150k a day no wonder everythings so devalued. You dont think its unfair that another farmer would be happy to make that over a week and you can do it in a day? Saying that a 55 is hard to play is kinda funny. Its not a hard build to play at all if you have the right skills on your bar and attributes, which you can get from any GW builds site. Its ridiculous that this has been around this long period. But people keep thinking up ways to save this build and it just keeps flooding the market. It doesnt matter if its bots or if its humans the point is that it needs to be stopped. Or put a strickter limit on the drops.

Well it depends see. If they are farming for their own benefit or for the benefit of their guild and not for a third party site or an Ebay auction then it is perfectly legal. If they are farming in order to make a profit by selling the items on a third party site or on Ebay that's not legal at all. It's theft of intellectual property. The items you farm do not belong to you nor does the software you purchased belong to you persay. The software and all of its components belong to ANet. You are simply licensed to use them for your own entertainment. The license does not allow for you to make a profit off of their property. Intellectual property laws are difficult to enforce across borders though. Many countries do not recognize many cyber crimes, including intellectual property theft and piracy, as crimes. The only way for them to combat this is to take an aggressive legal stance against the third party sites and to make sure their product is introduced only in areas that recognize these crimes and allow for the collection of civil damages and the pressing of criminal charges.

Another way to stop this is to simply stop buying from them. These people can't operate if there isn't a market. I applaud some of the fansites, such as Ten Ton Hammer, for removing all third party item seller advertising from their sites. I just wish ANet would take a more aggressive stance against it. Legal action costs money but if they could collect a mass settlement just once it would discourage others from entering the racket. I've also suggested a data base query that would track the fields having to do with inventory and gold. Any large ammount being transferred between two people without an exchange of items involved is kind of a dead give away. Before anyone gets up in arms about that let me just say that the quantities of gold being purchased from these sites is larger than anyone would ever need to have at once so the odds of you getting popped for transferring funds to a guildie or a friend are slim. In the end it will take a combined effort of ANet and us as players to stop the abusive farming that is killing the game. How? By simply not buying from these people and by reporting anyone that has. Like I said earlier , if you eliminate the market then the service must cease because of a lack of profit.

I don't see what the problem is...... people don't farm with 55 as much as before.

They already nerfed 55 monks over the summer. Plus there are tons of enchant-removing monsters around... There is no need to nerf invici monks any further.

One nerfied that worked and that should be enough.

If not we might as well nerf all classes.

If I run a 55 Monk, you couldn't tell the difference between me and a bot. I'd do the same stuff, run the same routes, etc. You gonna get rid of my account too?

Before the flames start: I said, "If".

everyone makes their own way of living, as for the 55 monk. Leave it be, it would kill other builds to nerf the spells that they use for the build. If you want to nerf it take out the -50 cesta, even though theyd adapt, but o well itd be slowing down. The economy is fine, leave it be.

in droknar guile strip enchantments so do grawl crones, Wise degen , giants stomp and trolls interupt.. Only experienced can handle that. And Yes i do feel 55 Needs an area set for farming that is extremely hard requiring alot of skill to EARN its profit. 55 can be difficult to a new player yes.

I'm saying drok is easy in front but farm to rankor and to icecave and see how well ya do against the harder enemy. the challenge in pushing the limits is why I feel drok should be saved. Its one area aside from titan farming the monk must be on its toes to farm the outer reaches of the zone not just the easy stuff in front for a noob.

further more anet should find a way to stop background progs from running and just intergate TS and vetrillo into the game.

I've heard you say that at least three times today, and I have to be honest. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Might be nice to integrate voice chat into the game, but locking out every other program from running while Guild Wars is up is insane. I'm sure I'm not the only one that uses, at the very least, a web browser and instant messengers constantly.

Just make Prot Spirit/Bond Other Target Only... That not hard...

But that would horrendously break pvp / gvg. Watch some observer mode and see how a monk fares with 2 frenzied hammer warriors breathing down his neck. It ain't pretty. Losing 10% max health and losing 120+ health in one swing is a huge difference.

I farm with my monk sometimes, but it's not really fun for me, because I hate having to remember to cast a spell every 15 or 20 seconds just to stay alive. Then again, it's the only way to solo some areas, so it has its purpose.

Far as I'm concerned, let them have Talus Chute. Let them have all the bloody raven staffs they want. The only market segment they'll have control over is wood planks.

they probably just sell them straight for gold...

I say fix the ele's before anything. Monks can get onto just about any team, whereas ele's are so gimped you don't have the option at all (for farming SF, FoW, the Tombs, or UW). 100-150k a day? Unreal. The fact that monks (and necros) can solo so many maps, and ele's can't (as well as other classes that I can't speak for) reeks of imbalance. There are bigger fish to fry before this one.

This isn't even a complaint to me. It's like listening to the rich complain that their garage isn't large enough to hold their 17th Aston Martin, while I'm just trying to keep the tire inflated on my unicycle.

Ultimately these farmers are fulfilling a demand created by the 'players' of the game. Don't attack the farmers. Blame people who pay 50k for a sundering sword hilt, or 80k for a 30hp pommel, blame the people who lack reason and have become item-centric in a game with really dull items (just compare GWs items to other games, it hits you instantly that GWs is just lacking so bad, and hell...nobody gives a toss if you have FoW or a Godly Sword, they know and you know you 'ebayed' for it and suddenly you feel like a fool, you payed sums of real life money for....nothing. It's like wanking and you open your eyes and the illusion of coolness, the fantasy just falls apart as you realise some bot master slave driver is getting rich of your white-man inferiority complex trying to compensate with computer game items. Oh, the plague of the MMORPG, suck-sucking all those losers in. Get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing real.

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The chinese farmers have done nothing as much as people like to blame them, and that is the truth of it. Who must we blame, if blame we must? It's the Wammo Lord of Excalibur with his Godly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-extension 30hp 10/10 sundering 15^50 fellblade, it's the 'Warrior' (hey not like he ever fights, too busy looking for teh 1337 weps) with FoW armour after 2 weeks of playing. People who are buying all their money in the millions upon billions off ebay etc...yeah blame the players - they are the reason for the bots to exist. Just go to the high end forum, mating-ground of the ebayer, watch as established merchants - who know the score - just laugh and bid, knowing that an ebayer will bid even higher.

It's pathetic.

People who Ebay anything in GW off the net are the ones to blame. Every single person who has bought money off Ebay. If that demand wasnt alive there would be no work for the people who make that money. Cant blame them, they just want a peice of the economy. Blame the idiots who think they NEED 2 mill. in gold to try and show off or the ones who simply are too mentally gimped to make gold which drops off almost everything, themselves.

when i say block background progs i mean block them from running thru the game.

The best post I have read on this forum.

remove offhand

make redundant runes have no effect at all

gg 55 monk

Its a quest item not a glitch/bug. SoA axe anyone?

Get rid of 20% rockmolders.

Get rid of HoD swords.

Vamp touch/ Vamp gaze. Buh bye 55. Goes straight though all protection prayers (even Mark of Protection, etc). Think it could be bugged, but I'm not complaining.

It's not bugged; lifesteal is not considered damage by the game, and thus ignores anything that activates upon "damage".

Is this sarcasm, or are you being serious. So, let me get this straight its not the person whos selling these items for real cash its the person buying it? Of course they create the market, but whos supplying it. And especially supplying it with botted players. You cannot deny that many bots farmers are bots. Go look in droks int if you dont believe it. If you dont think that a solo farmer, farming some of the most powerful monsters in the game and keeping drops that are meant for an 8 man team I cant see why you would thing that solo farming is fair. For god sakes play the game like everyone else, the real losers are the people who spend hours farming by themselves then try to show off their "godly" equips. Everyone knows that the only people who have cash in this game are the buyers or the farmers no wonder the market is so lopsided.

I used to farm, a lot. Mainly solo-ing tengu for runes, back before they nerfed at all.

The sad part - farming monsters like the tengu was the ONLY realistic way a player could reliably unlock runes, especially the most rare ones like Superior Absorption and Vigor. How many Superior Absorption runes have people found in normal play? In all the normal play I've done, I've seen ONE superior vigor drop - and it wasn't even for me. Never an absorption. People go nuts trying to get green items in Tombs or SF, yet you'll never find a rune drop there (at least I never have).

The game itself promotes farming, by it's drop system. I've been playing since release, and probably had two black dyes drop for me ever. Want to stop the ebaying and 55 monk? Increase drop rates of the better items, so that the market gets flooded, and prices drop.

Until that's done, we're left with what we have now. ANet can continue to nerf areas with stripping/degen monsters, but when real money is involved, people will always find a way to farm.

Attacking the supply side of a problem only makes for feel-good headlines in the news. The demand side is the driving force behind every market, and if you want any actual changes that's what needs to be addressed.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 55 monk go away, but not because of ebay gold or anything along those lines. In my mind the 55 monk is a sum of everything wrong with PvE in this game, any any meaningful fix to it needs to start with that template.

Peace,
-CxE

Ok..I've been running a 55 monk since early last summer and have almost 5 million xp..I can say from experience that the 55 monk is nothing like it use to be. There are so many places you can't farm anymore(UW, Elona, Ettins..etc..etc.) I just don't get the whole thing about nerfing solo farming and nerfing 55 monks..they just happen to be the best at soloing(warriors can be just as potent cuz i've adapted already). I've been a 55monk/farming advocate since I started. Lets be honest here, how many superior vigors and superior absorption runes have you got while doing mission and quests ONLY..I feel safe in saying very few people get these runes to drop during the course of the game....so you have to farm to just be able to buy them.

Another thing is if you don't like to farm then don't do it...but don't put it down for the rest of us(well I do at least) that enjoy doing it. If you can't beat em...JOIN em. You can just as easily make a 55 monk as everyone else, it really isn't that hard!

And last but not least..it's a dam game for peets sake...and whats the big deal, you would think that it's real life or something by the way people say it is ruining the whole world!

If you want help making/building a 55 monk just get a hold of me in game...I've helped many people with it so far.

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The game itself promotes farming, by it's drop system. I've been playing since release, and probably had two black dyes drop for me ever. Want to stop the ebaying and 55 monk? Increase drop rates of the better items, so that the market gets flooded, and prices drop.

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I had the same thoughts...it wasn't til i started to farm that I actually got some superior vigors and sup absorptions.....something really needs to be done about the drop rate of sup runes...I mean who wants to finish the whole game and still not be able to use a sup vigor or sup absorption...with my warrior i didn't have either one til i was almost done with every mission. To me that is just stupid and not very well thought out.

Quoted for truth and being totally my opinion. Especially the last part about the monks.

there is nothing wrong with 55 monks
whats wrong is a bounch of asian
people missusing the builds and
makes bots but hey thats the
way the world are...

it gets worse when you get Mo/Rt

Increasing supply when demand stays the same will drop price certainly. However, Anet has rare drops for a reason.

This game is not a level grind, it is a vanity grind. Sup absorbtion and Sup vigor don't mean much (in comparison to the major versions) for PvE in reality. But, for Pvp that edge is alot more signifigant. If Anet wanted this to be an important edge (as in make Pve important for Pvp play), they would have made it hard to get those runes in Pvp, but they didn't, actually the faction required is easy to get even if you only play in CA. So why make it hard for PvE? Answer: To give you something to work for. Lots of people actually work for their fissure armor. Those who buy gold off the internet are not actually hurting anyone. They are merely wasting real world dollars to feel pretty in the not real world.

I hear people talk about the market doing X or Y all the time. What exactly do you mean? Rare skins and "perfect" weapon mods for Pve characters have no effect on the level of play and do not have a signifigant impact on whether you will beat any mission (and since faction unlocking is easy, there is no excuse to say you need it for HA). The +30 mod is so vastly higher in price then +29 because it is A. Rarer and B. Looks fancier when you show your friend in a trade screen so you are willing to bid higher for it (if the price was actually too high no buyers would appear and price would drop naturally). In Pvp I would want that one hp, but not for Pve. Good thing a perfect +30 sword hilt costs 2000 faction. (Follow this logic to its final extreme and you will find out why Anet nerfs drop places. It is too easy and they do want you to work for it and push your farmer limits.)

I do farm for vanity items and equipment. But, I put in hours for it and enjoyed my time (I team farm with friends and my girlfriend, solo is too boring and antisocial for me). Sure some other guy ebayed his fissure armor, he may even enjoy that vanity item, but not nearly as much as I enjoy mine. Hard work finding rewards can bring pleasure. Those who circumvent the work aspect find a lesser pleasure.

(As a sub note there are a handful of items in Pve that can't be found in Pvp. I would theorize this is because Anet does want the Pvp and Pve people mixing and doing both. The fact that they are creating guild alliances expressly to further push for this mixing would suggest this point isn't out in left field.)

I'd just like to say that I believe that 55 builds are just part of the game (as IWAY was). There has been no "55 nerfing" (for the last time as I hate having to repeat myself). ArenaNet doesn't "hate" 55'ers. They simply put the scarabs in the desert because as they said, "spilt blood" attracted them. The area was simply over-farmed. There are plenty of other areas that are MUCH more profitable than the trolls outside of droks. You just have to look carefully (or visit the monk forum once in awhile) and you will find more locations; harder and more profitable locations that are just as fast. For me, the trolls outside of droks yield golds RARELY and purples every other run or so (so basicly mostly whites) not to mention that in the long run, you are only earning about 1.2-1.8k per run unless you are power leveling someone while farming. That doesn't seem very profitable to me. Just my input. Flame away as always.