Favor of Gods: Out of balance! - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

22 May 2005 at 14:42 - 1

I notice its mostly Krorea that has the Favor of the Gods. Simply because they win the most matches. Next is America, and Europe hardly ever has the Favor.

But since having the Favor of the Gods gives access to levels in the Temple of Ages (and maybe more, I dont know) where you can find items that make you stronger this concept means: The stongest will grow stronger and stronger and at the end the game will be totally out of balance. Allready I notice Europeans running to other servers just because they never can get to the Temple levels.

So a change is needed to prevent that 1 realm gets the best of the game where others just pickup the crumbs thats left

Xavz

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

Wisconsin

E/

22 May 2005 at 16:00 - 2

Last I checked, America almost always has the favor of the gods. If Europe can't hold the favor, I don't see how it's ANet's fault. It might be slightly unfair, but that's the way it's going to be unless Europe starts winning.

Corwin_Andros

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

W/E

22 May 2005 at 16:07 - 3

I think they'd have been better off subdividing AMERICA.. You have to realize that AMAERICA is pretty much the entire western hemisphere.

Best solution would have made different kingdomes or something with no identifier other than language and let people pick them when they signed on. It would have cut back on some of the imbalance that way.

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

22 May 2005 at 16:25 - 4

Indeed, then instead of just three regions it'd be more like five, or six. Korea kind of counts for the Asian sector of things doesn't it? Just a guess...

I have yet to dive into the special worlds, just once and it was a waste of 1p. But it was an education as well... heh.

Vusak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

22 May 2005 at 17:02 - 5

yeah america also includes canada, australia and new zealand, and perhaps a few other countries.

id really much prefer a realm system, im not a patriot of america, and even though its just a name, im still not comfortable with it.

also im getting rather sick of playing for a team, where half of them make comments like 'slant eyes' etc. when talking about the koreans.. makes me sick.

a realm system would help eliminate the perception of 'war against another country'... hell, the current heat between USA and North Korea should be enough to rethink the names hehe

sybban

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Beaufort Fun Park

I don't remember the guild name

Mo/W

22 May 2005 at 17:43 - 6

are you sure? I thought I saw the canadians get favor once. I remember laughing my ass off at it

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

22 May 2005 at 18:29 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavz

Last I checked, America almost always has the favor of the gods. If Europe can't hold the favor, I don't see how it's ANet's fault. It might be slightly unfair, but that's the way it's going to be unless Europe starts winning.

Hmmm, I think you dont get my point: If there is some kind of bonus level where players can find stronger equipment, than this should not be realm related, or pvp related or guild vs guild related. Because that makes the ones who allready are strong only stronger! Since this is a game suggestion forum my suggestions in this are:
1. Make access to the temple levels available for everyone on a time based schedule, and since there are 3 realms each realm can have access 8 hours a day.
2. At all cost prevent that winners of some kind of pvp competition are rewarded with items which make them stronger. This includes giving bonus levels where items can be farmed.

Xavz

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

Wisconsin

E/

22 May 2005 at 19:12 - 8

You can easily find everything that can be found in the Underworld and the Fissure elsewhere, the drop rates are just higher in those places. There is no "uber" loot in this game.

xakia

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

not mexico

laaaaa

E/Me

22 May 2005 at 20:03 - 9

Chaos, Ghostly, and Eternal in other places huh? That's news to me.

taion

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Pasadena, California

Mo/

22 May 2005 at 20:43 - 10

Who you see having favour a lot depends on what time zone you're in, obviously. Korea tends to hold favour during its peak hours, and America tends to hold favour during ours. If you're that desperate for the favour of the gods, try to put together a good PUG around 1100 UTC or so. That time seems to be off-peak for just about everyone, and I've held Halls with PUGs more than once around that time.

Chill Out Dawg

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

22 May 2005 at 20:57 - 11

Do you understand how hard korea is to beat for both america and europe? You can't really call anyone because you can't read the names, and since they got the game first, they are ahead of both of us. Just my thoughts

Dagbiker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Maryland

22 May 2005 at 20:57 - 12

i aggre, that it is unfair to have a system whare two sides are always winning, but i do not think that ( lets use a third party for an example ) Mexico wining means that Mexico gets high powerd things and so forth. but If Mexico loses, Like you said, the pvp'rs ( i hate stero-typing ) will go to a diffrent contry or reagon and fight there, thuss killing all hope for a pve'r to go in to the under world.

Kas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

22 May 2005 at 21:17 - 13

Having hit the end of the game i see barely any challenge other then trying PvP or the Underworld Missions. Now i'm living in Europe and to be honest... did Europe ever win the favor?
Okay, this is not the fault of America or Korea... but it sucks big time for Europe. I even though about changing the Regionsettings for my Account to America ... even as i am not living there. Why? To have the slightest chance on seeing the underworld anytime soon and to help my friends get in via the international district at the temple of ages (it does work doesn't it? Some guy of the favored country can just make a group and kneel there can't she?).

LathalDraugr

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

22 May 2005 at 21:29 - 14

The main problem is that America and Korea are if not purely for those countries, limited to players who speak the relevant language. Europe has no common language so there is no common playerbase meaning you get German teams, French teams etc but no European teams. So the pool of players the top European guilds can use is far smaller than the other two servers. So Korea and America can pool their teams to create better PvP guilds, Europe can't. That said even Europe can win the Tombs occasionally and Korea doesn't seem as brilliant at winning the HoH as many people seem to claim, to me it seems America has the HoH the majority of the time.

On a related note is it just me or do most British players use the American server? I was tempted to go with the American server for ease of communication but was worried there would be hardly anyone on at the same times as me, but if most UK players play on the American server it wouldn't be too bad. It would be a lot easier not to have to worry about whether the team I was joining spoke English or not.

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

22 May 2005 at 22:00 - 15

Its true that in Europa language can be a problem. And I know European players who speak English like to join the American servers. If it was just for honor and glory I would say: ok, if we cant organize we dont deserve it lol. But playing those levels adds something new, thats why I think its fair to change the way of access. Of course changing to an American server is an option, for me too. That would mean that needing the Favor of the Gods for entering a bonus level is no good idea.

Dagbiker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Maryland

22 May 2005 at 22:09 - 16

i think instead of three reagens, if it is plosibal, perhaps two reagens. that might work

azunder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

22 May 2005 at 22:17 - 17

A problem I see is that people don't just join the realm because of their location. It's because of language. If you don't speak korean or some european language, you go to the american server where everyone speaks english.

Rhine

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

22 May 2005 at 23:27 - 18

You know what The americans should join europe to help them out im might just do it once im high enough only 17 :/

Corwin_Andros

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

W/E

22 May 2005 at 23:34 - 19

The only problem with switching is that they have a 5 switch limit per account. So you can't go from America to Europe and back more than a cpl times before you are essentially stuck where you are.

Mariena Feladon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Netherlands

Silhouette Stars [sil]

Mo/N

22 May 2005 at 23:36 - 20

I have been wondering whether or not I should join the American servers, and leaving the European behind. Really, no one speaks English in the European servers. It's either German or French and the occasional Swedish.. English players are hard to come by.

I would have switched if it wasn't for the pretty weird limitation of being able to switch servers only 5 times. Why is this? Why only 5 times?

Perishiko ReLLiK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Divine Guardians of the Soul (Soul)

Mo/E

22 May 2005 at 23:37 - 21

One reason for this is the sheer amount of europeons playing in the american realm... heh... i've heard of quite a few.

Mariena Feladon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Netherlands

Silhouette Stars [sil]

Mo/N

22 May 2005 at 23:39 - 22

Well, its not our fault that virtually no one speaks English in the European districts, right? I don't blame the British at all. Luckily, I can manage there, as I can communicate in German and understand a bit of French.

Rhine

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

23 May 2005 at 00:15 - 23

I know pretty basic german maybe i should switch just to see how much i know :/

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

23 May 2005 at 04:38 - 24

Here is what I know in each server...

Korea- Koreans...
Europe- Western non english speakers... german, spanish, french, italian and so on...
America- whole north america, English speaker from europe, Singapore, Hong Kong, and probably more...

America can stop Korea from taking HoH for couple hours during korean peak time... even during their peak time, HoH's 5 team still consist of at least 2 america teams...

unbalanced? Yes, very... every english speaker around the world that play GW is on the america server... and english is the most widely taught language in the world. Even Korean can type back in english to us, while we can't do jack the other way around... that show how unbalance this is...

Zorax

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Midgard

Church of Balthazar

E/Me

23 May 2005 at 05:00 - 25

I am considering switching to the American server as well. I just think it's incredibly annoying to have people speaking in all kinds of different languages. One way to solve this would be to split Europe into one English-speaking server, and one non-English. If this can't be done, at least rename "District 1" to "English District" or something.

The best would be to make realm servers with fictional names or something, one of which would be for English-speaking Europeans. Maybe have six realms (two mainly for Europeans, two mainly for Asians, and two mainly for Americans and the rest) with fictional names with information about which realm you would fit in.

Example:
Realm of Balthazar (Europe, English).
Realm of Dwayna (Europe, non-English)
Realm of Grenth (North America)
Realm of Lyssa (South America, Australia....)
etc...

Meh, I don't know... I'm just tired of trying to communicate through all the multilingual "spam"... and I'm not even a native English speaker, just think it's logical and more fun to decide on one language and stick with it.

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 May 2005 at 05:14 - 26

I'm thinking that North America will have to be divided into east and west areas. I'm not sure what the statistics in terms of player count are, but I'm pretty sure that the United States still has a huge proportion of the players regardless.

Omega_2005

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

UK, or is it? *confused*

A/Rt

23 May 2005 at 07:53 - 27

hmm, what about level restrictions within districts? There are too many people in Beacon's Perch feeling out of place due to many level 20s going to borlis pass...

so the first 20 or so districts are solely for levels 1-15 (cap changes if the level is not available, or is far too low at the time) and the rest for the high levels (16-20+??), so people can instantly party for questing in Uber areas while others try to find the next mission.

My suggestions for areas restrictions (Like they have done in arenas):

Ascalon (1-10),
Ruined Ascalon Region (levels 3-8, 8-15),
Snow Region (levels 8-12, 13-16, 17-19, 20+??),
Kryta (levels 11-14, 15-17, 18+),
Jungle Region (levels 14-17, 18+),
Desert (16+), and
Underworld (Ascended characters only (20))

Empirism

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 May 2005 at 08:18 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

1. Make access to the temple levels available for everyone on a time based schedule, and since there are 3 realms each realm can have access 8 hours a day.
2. At all cost prevent that winners of some kind of pvp competition are rewarded with items which make them stronger. This includes giving bonus levels where items can be farmed.

These are not bad suggestions at all, it is clear that current system is "politically questionable" and unfair for european players because reasons mentioned before

I think Anet should rethink to rebuild this thing before too many european players leave to use american server bandwidths, this is not good to anyone.

since the fussile of woe and underworld and such are areas of the game we bought, it shouldnt be the way that we can enter there or not because our locations. (even if europeans start to keep favors)

Mayar third Keeper

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 May 2005 at 11:16 - 29

I remeber the Times when Guild Wars was one world! It was so nice. The WaW realy annoy me. I think about starting to shout out that alle people should join the american server and stopt this stupid division.

Templar Valkrye

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Florida, U.S.A.

The Luxon Crusaders

A/

23 May 2005 at 11:27 - 30

my idea, i think that it should be set to a time, like, everyday, at some global time that is ok, like a weekend ( EVERYONe is on usually on weekends) at some certain time, or only weekened, so everyone has a fair chance, Mainly sat, friday, people wrk, and sunday prople are probably busy, and saturday is just ni the middle of the weekend, some people ill get mad, but i think it will solve the problem.

-Templar Valkrye

none

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

23 May 2005 at 11:49 - 31

I totally have to back up most of what has been said.

I've played the through the game twice now (with an ele/me and mo/r) and have only been in the underworld once. The last few days, as there's less and less things to do, I really considered at more than one time, switching to the american realm. I see and hear what kind of loot is there, and although I'm not much into pvp, I want to have the best gear available for pve. Besides, the underworld is way more fun than doing perdition rock or the southern shiverpeaks over and over again.

So either shift things around, so that everyone has a chance to see the underworld at certain times, or make an alternative access point to the underworld. Best for the pve'rs out there would probably be something where you have a comparably tough map (like most of the southern shiverpeaks) to get through, before you can enter the underworld/wissure.

As it is now, I will eventually switch to the American realms, and I guess more and more ppl will do the same, if nothing changes. If everyone is on the same realm, there is no need for a WaW anymore and everyone can have fun in the underworld

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

23 May 2005 at 11:58 - 32

I play on the US servers, however I like in the United Kingdom.

was forced to move due to complete lack of English speaking people, and people willing to help others speaking english.

Needless to say the game has been better since the move, while I sometimes have to deal with annoying people... 90% of my time on the US servers have been fun.

Kossan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

23 May 2005 at 21:47 - 33

the current system is obviously not very fair and many good reasons have been stated above.
What tend to get on my nerves is the people that don't even try to communicate with others in their party, it's impossible to demand a perfect command of english from everyone but alot of ppl are not even trying. Exaples of this is ppl who llok for a party t odo a mission but refuse to even look for a party in english or ppl who simply ignore ignore your all ppl who don't speak their native language.

Props to the dutch ppl they always promote english in a mixed nationality party

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

23 May 2005 at 23:03 - 34

I notice many players would like to change the conditions for getting access to the temple levels. That leaves the question: Should there be a differend kind of reward for winning HoH? I remember the old MtG adventure set from Microprose where the 'Gods' rewarded succesfull magicians with a temporary +1 life bonus in the next game. A temporary small pvp only reward would be great for those who like this type of game and it does not influeces the adventure game.

Shadowdaemon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Anderson IN USA

Ecks Di [xD]

W/N

23 May 2005 at 23:13 - 35

it seems to me like gettingthe underworld is a REWARD for winning, so are you guys saying the losing teams should be rewarded, i dont understad that, by the way, i play sometimes all day long, and i have seen alot more lately of korea having favor, and sometimes europe too, so there cant be much of a problem with taking control away from each other

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

24 May 2005 at 04:59 - 36

Korea has a strong feeling of racism against americans. It affects me harsh because I'm white and living in Korea. In Korea white=american. It bothers me to constantly see this Korea vs. America struggle being advertised while I play, and then to later find out that Europe (who I never see in the struggle) is also a contender? It's a really cool idea but it provokes way too much nationalism. Would be much nicer if there was a non-nationalistic and more fair way to do it (I want to go to the underworld... I don't want to play Korea for language issues and I don't want to play America for lag issues... so I'm left playing Europe which never has access to the underworld)

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

24 May 2005 at 05:14 - 37

Someone mentioned to me in game that the best European players actually play on the American servers. Wth?
*lol*

Game is based on skill, not hours played. Strong get stronger you say? I've seen a piercing axe (pick axe) that did 6-26 dmg and a chaos axe that does 6-27... WHOA!! SUCH A GODLY ITEM!!!! *gasp*

I'll say that the elite LOOKING COOL items are in the God's Challenge missions but the fact is, you can find very powerful stuff on the Ring of Fire islands as well. Though I must say gunning against Korea isn't easy, it's not impossible either. Calm down ^_^ I don't see a massive change needed.

Anariel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Chicago

Left For Dead

Mo/E

24 May 2005 at 08:48 - 38

I don't really like the country system. It's going to inspire more and more racism. Being Asian (though not Korean) in America I am uncomfortable with the specificity of it all. I'd rather that the winning TEAM or GUILD or COLOR got the reward, rather than country or race or region being pitted against each other.

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

24 May 2005 at 09:08 - 39

I think maybe Anariel, that you're under the opposite situation but the same situation since I'm white (but not American) in Korea. If it was specific servers like WoW has it would be better... but I think they use the district system because it cuts down on lag more than designated servers do.

Axehilt

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

24 May 2005 at 10:27 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

I notice many players would like to change the conditions for getting access to the temple levels. That leaves the question: Should there be a differend kind of reward for winning HoH? I remember the old MtG adventure set from Microprose where the 'Gods' rewarded succesfull magicians with a temporary +1 life bonus in the next game. A temporary small pvp only reward would be great for those who like this type of game and it does not influeces the adventure game.

Eh?

+1 life in MtG was a 5% health boost.

A 5% health boost seems like it'd be significantly more 'overpowered' than the current bonus. The current favor doesn't seem terribly powerful at all - or perhaps I simply haven't seen the types of drops that come from those unlocked Zones; are they really that powerful?

I suppose I'd like to see a more even split between the 'sides' of the 'war'. It's always more fun when battles go back and forther; currently I see America winning nearly all the matches.

Oh, and hi RTSFirebat! Nice to see a familiar face (Planetside forums).