OMG serisouly fix the searching

deathskrye

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

MOX

R/Me

I can never search

FIX IT

simple as that

AnnaCloud9

AnnaCloud9

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Minnesota

Well if you're bored, then you're boring!

R/

Hover over Search, 'right-click' and then 'Open'.
Doing this once fixes the problem (I believe per forum session you're in)

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

Hmmm...I thought the Search turned off automaticaly when there is allot of members/guests online....

xerverkillah

xerverkillah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

foo.bar

Ladies Rhythm and Movement Club [MOVE]

R/

yeah, theres nothing wrong with the search. It just gets disabled when the forum has high traffic

Ascalon Chariot

Ascalon Chariot

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by xerverkillah
yeah, theres nothing wrong with the search. It just gets disabled when the forum has high traffic Which....sadly to say...is pretty much always.

Pi_Numurian

Pi_Numurian

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Numurian Vanguard

Me/R

mine is busted too

Wrath Of Dragons

Wrath Of Dragons

Burninate Stuff

Join Date: Aug 2005

New Mexico

E/Mo

its not specific to a person. it happens when te server is overloaded

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

Perhaps you need a bigger server. I actually like this site but am a bit put off by the you should have searched before you posted notes when it's always down.

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

They just upgraded the server to a really fast one. (I have no idea what kind) However it has been doing great actually. I did read somewhere from one of the Admins (I think kzap) that they are looking into adding another.

tommarrow

tommarrow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shyft Machine [MYTH]

E/

I think the magic number for too many people online is just over 2000.
If there are less than 2000 ppl the search works fine.

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

Is there any way to alter the default text that comes up in the goolge search box.

Your-Search-Text-Here inurl:/forum
to Your-Search-Text-Here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/

Took me a while to figure you you had to swap inurl to the real url.

kzap

kzap

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

R/Mo

oh hmm lemme check that, it should search guildwarsguru.com automatically

Hoyt

Hoyt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA,USA...for now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deathskrye
I can never search

FIX IT

simple as that

That has got to be one of the brattiest posts I have ever seen.

Show some manners, Deathskrye.
It isn't as if you pay the server fees.
This is a voluntarily run free forum, show some tact when you have problems with it.

Maxiemonster

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

Search is a very important feature though, and it's not that great to be unable to search.

Sometimes you want to know something, but can't search, so you start a new topic instead of searching. After that people start screaming that you should've used search..

Hoyt

Hoyt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

VA,USA...for now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxiemonster
Search is a very important feature though, and it's not that great to be unable to search.

Sometimes you want to know something, but can't search, so you start a new topic instead of searching. After that people start screaming that you should've used search.. You're absolutely right, Maxiemonster & I empathize completely.
I just found the OP’s method of voicing the concern over the search issue unnecessarily rude.
Meh, just my 2¢…I really don’t want to start a whizzing contest.
So, I’ll just walk away slowly and hope not to have insulted anybody to badly.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

I'd at least like to be able to search for my own posts so I can track threads easier.

However, I suppose subscribing to the threads is a workaround.

Mr D J

Mr D J

Permanently Unbanned

Join Date: Jun 2005

search down... again...

Omega X

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

Workaround bytches:

- Using Google -

Type: site:www.guildwarsguru.com/forum(one space)[search term]

Example:

site:www.guildwarsguru.com/forum Factions images

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega X

Workaround bytches:

- Using Google -

Type: site:www.guildwarsguru.com/forum(one space)[search term]

Example:

site:
www.guildwarsguru.com/forum Factions images Please do this process and type in "Omega X" for the search.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asrial
Please do this process and type in "Omega X" for the search. I did the search, and I fail to see your point. It works.

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by unienaule
I did the search, and I fail to see your point. It works. Honestly?....not always. Many times it just simply doesn't work!

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

It's very irritating when search is disabled 90% of the time. Time to upgrade guys.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Dood
Honestly?....not always. Many times it just simply doesn't work! Honestly? He was referring to the method of using google to search the site, and that's what I was talking about.

Big Fiz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

bump for fixing or adding more server space.

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by unienaule
Honestly? He was referring to the method of using google to search the site, and that's what I was talking about. Sorry I stand corrected...not enough coffee at that point in my life.

Kali Ma

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

/signed

The search page is unavailable about 1 out of 3 times I click on it, and it's very frustrating. The Google search is horrible, and every time I've tried to use it ended up just giving up.

Mercury Angel

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

bump for people turning off ad blockers, clicking relevant and interesting ads to them, and realizing that running a server for such a large and active community of posters for free is not cheap. Directed to nobody in particular.

There's a certain method of blocking the ads that doesn't count for guru, maybe Inde or somebody else will explain it better than I can, and people who use the guru forums with it are consuming resources without giving anything back; Which, I might add, takes no effort at all on their part. [though, all forms of ad blocking are still not helping much...]

For people that've been here a while, and even not, you might have an idea of just how much effort the admins go through to make guru a fun, accessible, reliable resource available to all without inconveniencing people.
We've switched advertisement types multiple times when the ads were objectionable (such as selling GW gold) or causing problems.
And speaking of fun, Inde's managed to arrange multiple contests, and will continue to do so, in the future.

If people want more forum features, rather than 'gimme gimme gimme' attitude, people could remember, and encourage their friends that even though it's a free service for them, it takes a financial investment and large amounts of time on the part of moderators, admins, and site contributors.

And if anyone that's complaining about the forums is using ad blockers... Really... go find another forum. With less leeches, maybe everyone else will be able to reliably use functions like 'search'.

This approaches rantish, but somebody has to say it I suppose. If you were a moderator/admin with access to the staff forums, and/or an active member of the public IRC channel, you might be able to see a fraction of just how much work the admins put into running this site. Even just the IRC channel, Inde stops by and chats occasionally, and you can get a general idea of the kind of things that get done behind the scenes.
Topics like this are downright insulting, giving off the vibe that Guild Wars Guru is OBLIGATED to make everyone happy, give 5 star service, all for nothing. Guru does what it does all voluntarily.
Any other major fansite will tell you the same thing, and goes through the same kind of problems as we do.

GWOnline can get insanely slow, and last time I was there, I don't remember a search function. Guild Wiki has gone down multiple times because of heavy loads. And so on. Guru's gone down occasionally itself as well.

Kali Ma

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

um, o-kAy...

I don't use ad blockers, and have been a moderator/administrator of many forum based sites over the years, both active and inactive ones, and understand what is required. While you make some excellent points, that doesn't change the fact that the search feature is broken, and some form of effort should be placed toward fixing it.

A working search is really a necessary feature on a site this big, especially since so many questions get the "use the search" response in various flavors. Certainly, we should all be grateful for what is offered here, but that doesn't mean that we the members should simply shut up.

I'd waited months before saying anything about the search problem, and after about the, oh I don't know, 500th time that I'd gotten the "search is disabled" page while in the middle of researching something, I felt the need to express my frustration with it. Our time is valuable too, and nobody likes to have it wasted unnecessarily.

Frankly, I don't appreciate your attitude that members are leeches... if it weren't for the members who participate here regularly, this forum would be nothing at all. And if you've ever moderated or administrated an inactive forum, then you'd know this is true, and have a greater appreciation for those of us who choose to come here and offer our time, energy and insights with the community.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

Kali Ma,

We have 2 options right now. Enable search, or have a functioning site. We can't do anymore about it. The search is not broken. Let me repeat this boldly for all: THE SEARCH IS NOT BROKEN. As soon as I know we can do something about it, I will give an update. Unfortuantely right now this is the situation; after about 2000 members on the site the search shuts down to save on load.

I know how important it is, I severely wish there was another option. The 'lectures' I have received from some members currently have to fall on deaf ears as I can not do anything about this.

You can imagine how many complaints I heard when the site was slow, lagging or inaccessible. The search being down is minor compared to this. MA is frustrated, as am I. His reference to ad blockers is not to be twisted around to that we believe the members are leeches. I appreciate and am constantly on PM's, IM's and Emails with all of you. We volunteer our time to be here for the community and when we see the community not supporting us by announcing the latest ad blocker or informing other members how to turn off the ads it's disheartening. Because that's what pays to keep this site up and right now it's just not enough to get another server, or a load balancer so that we could enable search.

We do not ask for donations here, we have a single ad at the top of the forum because we care about the members and their impression of this site. It's also in an effort to encourage people to view the ads on this site as it's a single one.

Kali Ma

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

Thank you, Inde. That was a thoughtful response, and I appreciate your clarifying the situation. I'm not insensitive to the situation, and understand the frustration that you expressed. It's also good to know that someone understands our frustration with the situation as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde
His reference to ad blockers is not to be twisted around to that we believe the members are leeches.
From my perspective, MA's response was inappropriately harsh as a reply to those of us expressing personal difficulties and frustrations with the search setup, and it's not the first time I've encountered this kind of thing from the moderator team. It often feels as if we the members should never voice any problems that we're having and should just be lucky to be here at all.

I didn't like the thread title, but knew that if I posted a new, less confrontational thread about it with a more appropriate title, that I'd likely be given a hard time for creating a duplicate thread. So I posted it in this thread, only to be given a dressing-down about being ungrateful, and possibly a leecher who should go to another site. There's no need to twist words around, as that's what was posted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde
I appreciate and am constantly on PM's, IM's and Emails with all of you. We volunteer our time to be here for the community and when we see the community not supporting us by announcing the latest ad blocker or informing other members how to turn off the ads it's disheartening. Because that's what pays to keep this site up and right now it's just not enough to get another server, or a load balancer so that we could enable search. I do appreciate your's and everyone's efforts to make guru a good site. My only request would be that if there are certain members who do these kind of negative actions, to take out your frustrations upon them. I've never once advocated, or even read about, the use of pop-up blockers with this site, so it's inappropriate to have to take that as a response to my post.

While MA's frustrations are understandable, if he'd simply posted an explanation of what was going on as you did, that would have been enough and the subject would have been dropped. Instead, it required a member losing their cool before someone just gave us a straight, thoughtful answer... it doesn't have to be that way.

Mercury Angel

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercury Angel
Directed to nobody in particular. Just because your post happened to precede it did not mean it related to you or your post in any way, shape, and or form, though it usually tends to be the case that a post following another post without quoting a different one does.

The thread title and the attitude that a number of forum members have managed to convey, through this thread, and other sources, were the source of my post, which, while a little ... overdone... I retract nothing from.

While I can understand the personal insult taken, I did not have you in mind when I wrote the post. And if you think everyone who voices their opinion has taken as much time to think about things and write them out as much as you, you're insane <_< People send so much crap to the admins of this site that they don't deserve to get, I had to say something on their behalf. They do great work.
So while you may not be one of the people the post was directed to, I hope you'll understand that the people it WAS directed to needed a kick badly. I'm aware that what I said was less than professional, but-
> I refuse to take it anything back or revise it, though I will clarify it
> It has no bearing on my work as a moderator. My personal opinions are unrelated to how I moderate; This is not a forum I moderate in, and none of the posters in this thread, or that I could think of when I wrote it will be negatively affected by it.

In short, http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=13 is what I was trying to convey, only, in not so few words.

As for a clear answer in regards to this, it's been explained before, though admittedly, the search would help to find it. It's also mentioned in this very thread, by Old Dood (who, admittedly, isn't staff); Functions go down as sever load goes up. I'd assume nobody else commented because the answer was already there.
When this thread sinks into obscurity, the same thing's just going to pop up again. I'd imagine that a sticky would help explaining a number of these things, including site suggestions that are occasionally brought up multiple times that won't be implemented.

I hope that clears up any remaining issues.

Kali Ma

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercury Angel
I'd imagine that a sticky would help explaining a number of these things, including site suggestions that are occasionally brought up multiple times that won't be implemented.
With the search function being as it is, this would probably be a good idea. I actually did try to run a search on the issue, but had the Google search show up - unfortunately, the way the Google search displays results makes it difficult to find what I'm looking for in a reasonable amount of time, at least for me.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mercury Angel I hope that clears up any remaining issues. Yes, it does. Thank you. My apologies for losing my temper as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercury Angel
And if you think everyone who voices their opinion has taken as much time to think about things and write them out as much as you, you're insane... Something I'm often reminded of when participating around here after a dry spell, call me crazy. I'm certain that part of my quick response here is due to past experiences... it's sad, but people can sometimes be so mean to each other. It often feels as if we're playing PvP with each other on the forums.

And that's why it's so important, at least in my opinion, that the moderator staff be aware of this, and whenever possible, spread a little kindness. I can imagine that it's hard sometimes, when dealing with so many jerks. Yet it's so worth making the effort.

Thank you for the kind words. Though I may be certifiably insane, I still always expect, or at lest hope, for the best in the others.

Jiao Yang

Jiao Yang

Lunar Rabbit

Join Date: Dec 2005

The thing I use the search most for is finding my thread to bump it. But most people are online in GMT evening, and that is when search is normally shut down. So just save the url of the thread on notepad or something then you dont have to use the search.
Just an obvious tip for people selling, buying or price checking

burai

burai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Fishermen's Haven

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiao Yang
The thing I use the search most for is finding my thread to bump it. But most people are online in GMT evening, and that is when search is normally shut down. So just save the url of the thread on notepad or something then you dont have to use the search.
Just an obvious tip for people selling, buying or price checking If you go to 'User CP' you should find your threads quite easily - and save some CPU cycles on the search engine too!

'The search button is your friend' - anyone spot the irony?

/joking

JR

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparks Dawnbringer
Perhaps you need a bigger server. Feel free to wire Inde the money.

thelessa

thelessa

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Purple Puzycats

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by burai
If you go to 'User CP' you should find your threads quite easily - and save some CPU cycles on the search engine too!

'The search button is your friend' - anyone spot the irony?

/joking Ok, I have looked and I can not find where my posts are under the "User CP." Would someone kindly point me in the right direction.

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

Access your "User CP" and select the section "Edit Options". There you scroll down to "Default Thread Subscription Mode".

Select the subscription mode "No e-mail notification" or any other type of auto-subscription you like. Note that "No e-mail notification" does subscribe you without generating e-mail notifications.

After that, all future replies of yours lead to the respective threads being included in the User CP section "Subscribed Threads".

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

Wow, I know the search button is down quite a bit but that does not mean we should start barking orders at the Admins.

If you have a question and the search is down do one of two things:

1) Keep it in the back of your mind until the search is up.

2) Do a manual search, if you really want to know something that bad put a little effort into it.

There is no need to start yelling "get a better server" unless you intend to support them by sending them money for the new server. I would like the search fixed as much as the next person, but you don't see me kicking and screaming about it like a child.

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

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Jormund

Jormund

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

Michigan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dralspire
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