Dissatisfied with Assassin Armor?

Ninjutsu Honor Code

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Sidon, Order of Assasins

R/W

31 Mar 2006 at 12:39 - 41

Alright thanks for the info maybe factions will be worth my while

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

31 Mar 2006 at 14:48 - 42

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The word assassin derives from the Arabic word حشّاشين (haššāšīn), an Islamic sect of militants founded by Hasan-i Sabbah.

His ancestors had formed a small but deadly army to defend themselves. The army became famous across the land as protectors- skilled executioners who wandered the countryside slaughtering any of the enemy they could find. They were renowned not only for their brutal killings, but also for celebrating their slayings by plunging themselves into drug-induced stupors. Their drug of choice was a potent intoxicant called hashish.

As their notoriety spread, these lethal men became known by a single word- Hassassin- literally 'the followers of hashish.' The name Hassassin became synonymous with death in almost every language on earth. The word was still used today, even in modern English...but like the craft of killing, the word had evolved.

It was now pronounced assassin.

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So there you go! Arabic origin. Makes me think of dervishes with scimitars for some reason.

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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31 Mar 2006 at 21:15 - 43

The Arabic Hassasin would also be a nice theme to add for the Assassin... I was hoping Anet could provide the class with a variety of themes similar to the warrior... A ninja theme, Arabic Hassasin theme, Medevial Thief/Rogue theme, and the current Bondage lovers theme... Because currently, we just have these for the assassin:

-Bondage lovers starter kit theme

-Dominatrix lovers theme

-Softcore Knife Bondage lovers theme

-Acupuncture Bondage lovers theme

-Hardcore Knife Bondage lovers theme

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

31 Mar 2006 at 22:56 - 44

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

The looks of the armor in this game, more often than not, is not this game's strong suit. QFT

Just have a look around other higher end MMOs like L2 and to be released SUN you will begin to understand why armour / weapon design isnt Anets strongest selling point which partly puzzles me to no end since NCsoft would have to have looked at the models at least at some point in dev meetings. The difference in standards are appauling along with Anet fancination with nude fighting as pointed out by many others. I wonder what the PvE community in Korean think of this.....maybe they dont have PvErs any more

and only PvP are left playing and PvErs have but long gone back to L2....after the novelity of Guild wars worn off. I dont see any elements that would attract the mainstream PvE Koreans that has left to return to Factions but rather to draw more interest in the newer regions of Japan and Tawian.

Frankly, the good old PS2 game "Tenchu" has a more acurrate protray of assassin armour but hey its their game. I will personally be looking to aquire the shrouded set for the extra energy and the shoulder BLADES

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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01 Apr 2006 at 00:56 - 45

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Frankly, the good old PS2 game "Tenchu" has a more acurrate protray of assassin armour but hey its their game. I will personally be looking to aquire the shrouded set for the extra energy and the shoulder BLADES

A bit off topic:

Actually, the link I posted a few pages up (SHINOBIDO: IMASHIME) is a ninja game made by the creators of Tenchu (1&2), before they sold the name to the company "FROM SOFTWARE"... Its like a mix of both elements from Tenchu (stealth tactics) and Sega's SHINOBI for the PS2 (speed w/signature scarf) IMO its a pretty nice game, and I look forward to playing it once it comes to U.S. shores... I'll post up a vid of the game soon...

Ok update: here's the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ko-aap49sRE

Back on topic:

I used to play L2 and the armor available there (so expensive) IMO is waaay WAAAY better in comparison to GW (my only gripe with L2 armor is the unavailability of helmet skins... seems all helmets there are invisible ;p )... Though I respect Anet's strive to be original (the gameplay is pretty original, I like how it plays and I applaud them for that), I don't think armor aesthetics should be compromised for the sake of originality... I would assume that alot of people would be more comfortable with themes they can associate with or they've seen before... Anet could always be original in the design elements or that particular theme anyway, so they can cater to the masses and be semi-original at the same time.... I myself might not be fond the current "End Game Armor" for the assassin, but I know that there are also people that straight LOVE them (do you guys really want THESE http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1834/untitled4cq.png babies on your male assassin?) so I am all for including the current armor theme in the game. But as I've always said, it would be AWESOME of Anet if they could also cater to people that do not find these kinds of armors appealing and prefer a more traditional, set.... I think PvE'rs and RPers alike will be happy with the addition of variety...

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

11 Apr 2006 at 14:13 - 46

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Originally Posted by S H I N O B I

(do you guys really want THESE http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1834/untitled4cq.png babies on your male assassin?) I'll take the gloves and boots! The body and legs are... ewww though.

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

12 Apr 2006 at 00:38 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cirian

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So there you go! Arabic origin. Makes me think of dervishes with scimitars for some reason.
lol yea i saw that on tv on the history channel on like 5 am one time

cheap his channel really made it grusome

but on kinda serious note, i am kinda disappointed, the only armor i found even decent to wear around was the starter, which isnt usually bad but chillin out with people in beginner armor makes u seem cheap

the armor i would still usr tho is the one with more energy, regardless what it looks like, though i would have rather had something that would seem like a more energy less armor thing, like maybe regular blk ninja robes outta those crazy movies

it just seemed like the armor that gives the most energy would be the one they would use for the most armor, i mean in all it has large spikes on it, i mean ugg i dont like to complain since i dont that many things i dont like about gw but

~~~~~~~D1FF 4RM0R STYL3 PL0X! ~~~~~~~

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

12 Apr 2006 at 02:26 - 48

It doesn't make sense why Anet would take bondage over http://www.shinobido.com/eng/char_gou.html stuff like this is my inspiration to become a modeler/texturer.

Seissor

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Squiggilyville. Population: Me.

[oRly] Hello Kitty Death Squad

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12 Apr 2006 at 12:34 - 49

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Originally Posted by Ezekial

well maybe if the class was Ninja there would be more asian cloths

But its Assassin which is a anet fantasy class, so yeah they can really have whatever they want.
Yep it's a "Fantasy" game meaning ANET could give your character a TV remote and call it a "shimmering blade" if they want.

Can everyone please realise, its a FANTASY game and not an actual historical action game. It's all make believe. So please no more...

OMGWTFBBQ the assassins slash right hand first but we all know ninjas slash left hand first and leave the right hand ready to deal a killing blow once the left handed slash creates a window of oppurtunity. Sign my petition.

-John Q Doesnt know wtf fantasy means. X

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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12 Apr 2006 at 17:13 - 50

Unless you meant "Erotic Fantasy" (hence the Bondage type armor), wouldn't having a "Fantasy" type premise be even more of a reason to add the super-exaggerated "ninja" theme into the armor selection? Historical info based on ninja have been so vague and contraversial that it might as well be a fantasy type class.

To summarize:

Knights, Monks, Rangers, and the like are in this game... These classes/jobs have historical significance in the real world, yet they are in this "fantasy" world made by Anet. Same for the ninja. Add to that, Anet gave Factions an "oriental/asian" feel to it. More the reason to add ninja (Anet has already put armor/themes from other asian countries like China/Korea -Monk/Warriro Legionarre armor, etc... so why not Japan?) into the assassin armor ranks. Warriors have different armor "themes" that pertain to real life "warrior" classes (platemail/knights, gladiator, etc...), I (as well as some others) feel it should be the same for assassin (ninja/shinobi, thief/rogue, arabic hassassin armor, etc...)

Like Nevin said a couple of posts up, it doesn't make sense for Anet to not choose this route for their assassin class just for the sake of originality... I'm hoping Anet has acted on this request and just chose not to say anything for the sake of suspense.... ;p (maybe this thread would've been more well recieved if it was in the Sardelac Sanitarium section...)

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 Apr 2006 at 17:36 - 51

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Originally Posted by S H I N O B I

do you guys really want THESE http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1834/untitled4cq.png babies on your male assassin? Hahaha...oh man. Looks like a reject for a San Francisco Assassin reality show.

Strong Xander...
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GRAPES ARE FUN!!!

fallot

I'm the king

Join Date: Nov 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew: Grand Phallus and Chairman Pro Tempore

12 Apr 2006 at 17:49 - 52

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Originally Posted by Cirian

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So there you go! Arabic origin. Makes me think of dervishes with scimitars for some reason. Persian origin.

Spoony

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Just chillin', Playing Gw

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16 Apr 2006 at 09:36 - 53

I think arenanet wanted assasins look like sick BDSM fans.

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

16 Apr 2006 at 09:53 - 54

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Originally Posted by S H I N O B I

Anyone else dissatisfied with the way Anet portrayed Assassin armor? The choices (infiltrator, nightstalker, valkaryie, shrouded, etc...) all look Dominatrix style... What happened to more traditional asian clothing? is the starter "Tenderfoot" armor the only traditional armor available for people who don't want to look like a porcupine with a fetish for S&M??? Anet, please give us variety like how you treated Warrior armor!!! Trust me...the China you know is not the real China.

You see 8 year old kids smockings cigs here, bullies who no one dares to cross.

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

16 Apr 2006 at 14:52 - 55

dude in china the people are shot for taking agaisnt the government >_<

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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16 Apr 2006 at 21:17 - 56

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Trust me...the China you know is not the real China.

You see 8 year old kids smockings cigs here, bullies who no one dares to cross.
China? Since when did I talk about China? I could care less what China is like today.... Sounds like the China you're talking about is the same as every other South East Asian Country.... (Thailand and Philipines have those kinds of crowds too... big deal.)

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

NYC

The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

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17 Apr 2006 at 22:16 - 57

Ok. I've read every post so far,and the same thing is being said up until the China reference. You want more armor variations and you all would like to see a more ninja(as depicted to all that I know)like armor style.Also,you would like more diversity in armor as well. It should be that and then some,if their will be different styles for each faction(Kurzicks and Luxons),as well as whatever else may come out of the woodwork. You are all jumping the gun a bit IMO,since we have seen a limited amount of material thus far. I say sit back,relax,drink a cold juice/beer/beverage, and wait until the 28th.Then,if you are still not happy with what you see, then make this argument become an issue(Just like the FoW/UW access issue is now being addressed).

God Apprentice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/N

18 Apr 2006 at 10:22 - 58

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Now a Ninja (at least in Hollywood...) may be tasked against a specific target, but if the shit hits the fan, they're still able to take on all comers. A compromised sniper team is going to call for help and then escape and evade, not turn into Rambo. This is similar to what I believe the Assassin is portrayed here. Youre right and I did notice a lot of assassins would rush in and start trying to tank. There are some assassins I faced during the FPE though that definately knew how to use this profession effectively

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

18 Apr 2006 at 17:19 - 59

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

R/W

18 Apr 2006 at 18:19 - 60

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Those wanting Ninja... you do realize that this is Cantha, not Japan/China/etc., and it's likely that in ANets Cantha the Ninja never existed? Notice, you don't see any form of hand-to-hand martial arts either. Those using this excuse... you do realize that that in Tyria, there are Knights, gladiators, monks, etc. yet Tyria is not England/Italy/China/etc right? We're not asking to "change" Anet's assassin class to "NINJA"... we're simply asking Anet to offer "themed" options (such as thief/rogue, arabic/hassassin, shinobi/"ninja" armor) similar to how they did Tyria's "Warrior" class...

There are some weapons in Cantha (from the FPE) that derive from Japanese culture, such as the katana and shinobi blade, so why not include japanese-esque armor as well? (maybe a Samurai style "Bushido" armor for warriors and ninja style "Shinobi" armor for assassins). The lack of "hand to hand martial arts" in the game should be more of a blow towards Monks than Assassins...

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

18 Apr 2006 at 18:52 - 61

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Originally Posted by S H I N O B I

Those using this excuse... you do realize that that in Tyria, there are Knights, gladiators, monks, etc. yet Tyria is not England/Italy/China/etc right? We're not asking to "change" Anet's assassin class to "NINJA"... we're simply asking Anet to offer "themed" options (such as thief/rogue, arabic/hassassin, shinobi/"ninja" armor) similar to how they did Tyria's "Warrior" class...

There are some weapons in Cantha (from the FPE) that derive from Japanese culture, such as the katana and shinobi blade, so why not include japanese-esque armor as well? (maybe a Samurai style "Bushido" armor for warriors and ninja style "Shinobi" armor for assassins). The lack of "hand to hand martial arts" in the game should be more of a blow towards Monks than Assassins... Actrually, there's one very real reason that you'll never see ninja styles of armor... and I can't believe noone has realized this yet.

They don't show enough flesh.

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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18 Apr 2006 at 19:18 - 62

Hmm... well, Anet could always take a gander at Tecmo's DoA series for some sexy female ninja gear ^.^ Kasumi always seems to show oodles of flesh ;p

Then again, there's always "LA BLUE GIRL"'s Miko Mido Hentai ninja girl extraordinarre ^.^

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 00:26 - 63

I still don't understand how assassin armor isn't already ninja-styled.

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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19 Apr 2006 at 01:29 - 64

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Originally Posted by NatalieD

I still don't understand how assassin armor isn't already ninja-styled.
I can help with that.

The default assassin armor, called "Tenderfoot's guise" is the only armor close to being "ninja-styled". (nice costume btw, but the pants could be a bit more baggy, to hide the skinny chicken legs). However, I speculate that this armor will only be sufficient at low levels (ala pre-searing, kinda like Tyria's Ranger starter armor). I hope it will also be available as "End Game Armor", but until the release of Factions, I can only guess...

The rest of the End Game Armors for the assassin look like these:

This one seems to be the most "extreme" compared to the rest of the armors, but the theme is still the same. In my opinion, these armors scream out "Lets have rough sex" instead of "I'm a ninja"....

Then again, there are also "ninja" armor that nevertherless scream out "lets have sex", just not that rough...

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 15:41 - 65

Well ok, I certainly agree that the needly armor looks more silly than ninja-esque. I had the other armors in mind with my previous post.

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Apr 2006 at 16:22 - 66

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Originally Posted by S H I N O B I

The rest of the End Game Armors for the assassin look like these:

I love it how he would stab himself in the stomach if he bent over, kicked, sprinted, or pretty much did anything. I had the same problem with necro armor actually...shoulder spikes would impale their brains if they actually lifted their arms, oh wait, they just did...

The gloves look sweet though....

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

19 Apr 2006 at 20:57 - 67

[QUOTE=S H I N O B I]I can help with that.

The rest of the End Game Armors for the assassin look like these:

EWWWWWW, but yea the gloves are cool, but sheesh man i would rather have lvl 5 al than that

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

20 Apr 2006 at 06:34 - 68

C'mon, most of them aren't that bad.

Maybe a little heavy on the blades, but I still like 'em. And they seem fairly ninjaish. Or is it that you wouldn't be happy with anything besides black PJ's?

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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20 Apr 2006 at 07:24 - 69

I think the masks are the only thing that hints at any reference to ninja.... The armors themselves don't quite do it for me...

Well this one doesnt look too bad...

The Infiltrator "Bondage lovers starter kit" armor seems to be the most normal looking armor out of all the rest...

Maybe its just the really tight pants that are getting to me...

You're right though... To me personally, I'd definitely much rather have simple baggy ninja gear like this one here---> over the current assassin armor... I'm sure alot of people don't share the same opinion, and thats ok.

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

20 Apr 2006 at 07:44 - 70

A baggy set like that picture you just posted would be pretty neat to have, but I think it's hard to animate bagginess very well in a game.

Skintight outfits make motion-rendering much easier.

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

20 Apr 2006 at 10:12 - 71

The one on the far right 2 posts above me looks like female armor

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

20 Apr 2006 at 15:05 - 72

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Originally Posted by unholy guardian

The one on the far right 2 posts above me looks like female armor No, it looks like hawt sexy male armor.

...if you're like me, anyway.

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

R/W

20 Apr 2006 at 17:18 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatalieD

A baggy set like that picture you just posted would be pretty neat to have, but I think it's hard to animate bagginess very well in a game.

Skintight outfits make motion-rendering much easier. It doesn't have to be really baggy like the one in the pic I posted... I was thinking more in the lines of something like how the Canthan Guards/Generals (the ones that look like Samurai, with the baggy pants) are.... Something simple like that... (BTW, I would LOVE to have my warrior wear Canthan Guard style armor with the helmet and baggy pants ^.^)

I'll try to post a pic of one once I get home from work ;p

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

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21 Apr 2006 at 01:22 - 74

Ok, pic update...

Here are two examples of Baggy gear that can be implemented to Assassin armor to prevent revealing their skinny chicken thighs ^.^

Canthan Guard (observe the Samurai-esque styling and baggy pants ^.^)

General Yurukaro from the Zaishen Elite Challenge (female version of Canthan Guard style armor, complete with Baggy PJ's)

Maybe a less armored (more cloth-like) armor can be implemented to the assassin class, keeping off course, the baggy pj's ^.^ Hopefully Anet can come through with something... maybe use something like this with the unseen as of yet assassin Collector armor sets?

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

21 Apr 2006 at 02:44 - 75

I like what you're suggesting.

Looking at all those armors side-by-side like I posted them, they seem very... similar. Kind of unimaginative, really. There could definitely stand to be more variety.

The Fox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

24 Apr 2006 at 19:18 - 76

I'd not hold your breath on the baggy pants. Maybe we'll get lucky and see some in a future chapter.

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

26 Apr 2006 at 23:58 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatalieD

C'mon, most of them aren't that bad.

Maybe a little heavy on the blades, but I still like 'em. And they seem fairly ninjaish. Or is it that you wouldn't be happy with anything besides black PJ's? The belt on the second one looks pretty cool. I'll probably use those pants in an armor combo. Armor combos are the best solution thus so far just dye it black and it'll all match.

LaserLight

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

La La Land

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27 Apr 2006 at 00:11 - 78

Hm hm...give it up Shinobi. Ye want an example of how Anet does clothing, take a look at the Tyrian 15k female Ranger's Druid's skirt. Thing's stiff as plate steel. And you want baggy, flowing Hollywood ninja clothes, pre-dyed black. Hm hm...sorry, but I just can't see that happening.

Besides. If Anet's really severing functionality from style, you can do your Tenderfoot's Guise with whatever bonuses you want, dye it black, and look all ninja-y. Me, I like the female Vanguard's (needle) armor, at least for chest and gloves. Vanguard's chest and gloves, Shrouded pants and boots. Works for me.

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

R/W

11 May 2006 at 09:43 - 79

Yea, I'm kinda over it.... Guess its not too bad once you get used to it.... I ended up with this combo instead ;p

Now, if only we were able to carry our handheld weps on our backs or sides.....

Blacktemplar

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

ITMI [The Marauders]

Mo/W

11 May 2006 at 23:57 - 80

It's all very interesting in what the perception is for an assassin. However, I could only compare the armor to what the enviorment has agaisn't us in guildwars because of my limited knowledge of ninja/assassins. I would say that the "heaviness" or thickishly exotic type of armor is usefull agains't such distigustingly looking enemies like inflicted..... that even shadow stepping or tender foot armor would provide no defence agains't but a bloody skull on the ground.