New sigil system; Will it help?

this is not going to help at all

all it is going to do is make the rich get richer and the poor stay poor (and Sigil-less)

you'd think that the devs were running a political machine or something with that kind of "solution" to a problem

best thing to do is make all NPC's stock sigils, at all times, at a fair and reasonable price. that way, everyone is happy. why don't they just do that?

That would mean people who pvp dont get a super uber reward *AHH* and that us Pve players would have a chance at having guild meetings.

What's wrong with just winning the Hall of Heroes?

It's not that hard...just get a good group (preferably guild teammates and voice comms), figure out a general strategy/stratigies, and I think sooner or later you'll see 3 Sigils in your possession.

Chad did you not read what i wrote? What if i dont like pvp that much? Then what?

Not that HARD? You're a funny guy.

Building up enough experience in PvP to even be a _challenge_ to anyone who plays it regularly takes time, practice and a dedicated group. That's not to win -- that's simply to survive more than a minute or so. If you actually make it to the Hall, you might be lucky enough to face one of the many elite PvP groups who will turn you into garden mulch in short order, in all probability.

Well, you'll want another sigil for your smurf guild, and you need another sigil if you want to change halls...but otherwise, whatever. They're pretty one shot.

They're so sought after because they're rare, and that's really all there is to it. Sigils drop at a fairly fixed rate of one per twelve minutes - the duration of a Hall of Heroes match. It's actually a bit lower than that, given that sometimes an opposing team doesn't join wasting 10 minutes, or the wait time is a bit greater, or a henchie gets a drop. Whatever. For our purposes the drop rate is 5 per hour. The game has been out approximately four weeks now, giving us 28 days worth of drops, which gives us roughly 3,360 sigils in the Guild Wars universe. A bit lower, really, but the point is the same.

Now, how many guilds are there? Whether they want to GvG or not, how many of those want a guild hall? All of them you say? Exactly. I couldn't give you exact numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were tens of thousands of guilds in the game right now, ranging from the large, organized operations to small groups of friends, to single characters who just want their own cape and island home. The supply simply cannot meet the demand for halls, in other words, and the price flies up because of it. Now, couple that with the fact that you have entire guilds bidding for sigils, not just individuals, and you have the market that you see today.

The fundamental problem is that unlike all other items, the supply of sigils is not proportional to the number of players in the game. 100,000 players generate 100,000 players worth of PvE loot - 1,000,000 players generate 1,000,000 players worth of PvE loot, so that's all in proportion and thus is self correcting. Sigils, on the other hand, have that steady supply of around a hundred per day that is inflexible with the number of players in the game. Which is why the sigil market was flat during the BWEs, but is booming now - the supply has not changed while demand has.


Agree completely - I'd say that everyone who actually 'needs' a guild hall for its basic function, initiating GvG combat, got one a while ago. It's the PvE guilds, the casual guilds, the solo players stroking their egos who are driving the sigil market now. I wouldn't call this their mistake, though - I'm sure they know that people want guild halls just to hang out in. I'd lay the mistake entirely on making the supply of sigils so inflexible.


Being used to buy guild halls. There are simply not enough sigils out there to meet the demand, and even though they're hitting the market nearly as fast as they're found there are still people looking to buy.


Which is of course a perfect example of sigils being won and promptly hitting the market. They aren't being hoarded, they're being sold one way or another. Certainly, the number of players actually acquiring sigils and selling them is a small fraction of the game population, but that is largely irrelevant as long as they find their way into use somewhere.


Zero. I've been selling sigils faster than I can get them - they never sit in my stash longer than 24 hours. My guildies are the same way - they hit the town after a long Hall hold and cash out those sigils for weapon upgrades, superior runes, or just more gold for 15k armor and second characters. Or, in general, the kinds of things that those PvE guilds should be pharming in abundance. While there are plenty of people bitching about the price, I've encountered plenty of people who were happy to trade in some superiors, unidentified rare armors, and piles of gold for a sigil.


Go and buy one. The popular currency is unidentified rare armors - PvP players need them to unlock superior runes on PvP characters and will trade generously for them. Hell, the PvP types who buy the armors will likely even sell any superior rune you might have gotten back to you.

Peace,
-CxE

Yeah, but that's a scam waiting to happen.

"Selling for 115K, give me 15K for nothing and then 100K after I move it to storage...." -- trade 15K to another char, log.. Out 15P

To me it seems fairly obvious why sigils would be hoarded rather than sold :

1) Since the prices of sigils are currently assumed to be based on demand being higher than supply .. well what if say 20% of all sigils dropped were held rather than traded / sold ? There's less sigils changing hands / less guilds getting halls / seemingly less supply than there is in actuality ... which can easily translate to a reason on behalf of those holding sigils to drive up the market price, correct ?

2 ) Want to keep your guild ( or guilds depending on how many sub-guilds you create for the purpose of gvg competition ) at the top of the ladder ? The fewer guilds that you have to compete against helps to secure that position for a longer period, fairly simply put. And a great way of keeping those numbers low is by spending your non-gvg time holding the HoH for hours on end, getting more sigils

I hope it lowers the prices alittle

I think it would be better if whoever wins the sigil drop already has a guild hall the sigil is moved to a sigil merchant, the person who won the drop doesn't truly need it and it can be replaced by some rare item or something to compensate them for their 'loss'.

One time I tried to obtain a celestial sigil for one whole week. Every time I went to PvP-which I hate to-I kept dying with my team! I got so angry I stopped trying. Also there are never any celestial sigils at the trader. I personally think that no matter what A-net will do, it wont help! The only thing I could think of is to always have celestial sigils at all traders at all times for constant unchanging resonable prices! by the way nice post hintshigen !

I'd agree that sigils should not be sold to other players, only sigil npc traders.

The fact that there's little going around, and players have been selling them, makes the sigil npc traders almost useless.

Hopefully the new changes will improve this situation.

I definitely agree with you Levian. I hope that our 'protesting' will help edit A-nets views. I wrote a message to A-net concerning the sigils. then they almost immediately made the update!

/bows down lol. I never knew you had that much power

It's my natural charm!

But seriously I've been trying to get a celestial sigil since, well I've always been trying to get a celestial sigil. I'm just another of the POOR small-guilds just trying to hang and have fun! It's really annoying !

personally, its a part of the game, that i just like to get behind me already, yes we want a cool place to hangout and run around saying stupid things and emotes lol, but 100k??? for get it, absurd, personally i enjoy the roleplay more than pvp, i have done about a dozen or more with very good players, yet we have always failed to win, so much for winning a sigil, i think maybe just get rid of the dam sigils and when you reach a certain point in the game just get one.

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I agree! ie:if you ascend you get one, stuffy like that!

An interesting idea, I'm sure they could treat the Sigil the same way they treat the "belt pouch" 5 slot bag, you can only wear one and you can't trade it just sell it back to vendor.

Still that would only fix half the problem there would still have to be away for Guilds to aquire them regardless of what side of the PvP or PvE fence they are on.

they should make it so that if more than half your guild, with a minimum number of people in the guild, reach level 20, then the leader is awarded a sigil so that he can open a guild hall.

GW staff claimed that this games economy wasnt going to be like d2, but its going that wat with the sigils

either way, having more of them in the economy is a good thing, i know my guild once we start doing HoH stuff will just give away sigils we dont need

money is so easy to get, no reason to keep people from getting guild halls...thats stupid

Feels like this was just a gimmick to help pvp guilds avoid the grind they have been bitching about forever. Quite obviously, the same people are gonna keep on winning the HoH, but now they are gonna be making a lot more gold off of selling sigils, letting them buy the runes/items they need without having to grind for it.