Is there a 90-day return policy?

Mav

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I still have my receipt of buying GW ($49.95 plus tax). I don't have the little warranty/guarantee card that came in the box.

I ask cause I am honestly thinking of returning the game for a variety of reasons.

- The game is advertised as having no grind, skill over time played. Sure thats somewhat true for just PvE'ing until the end of the PvE game. But if you want even the slightest chance in PvP you need to grind skills at the very least, and items do help, good items. I've been level 20 since like 4 days after buying the game, grind grind and grind some more to get the skills I need and items I need for PvP ;\

- I compliment ArenaNet on their updates and new content. But how come they have addressed obvious issues the community has and has asked for? There've been at least 3+ patches since people have brought up the issue of Ignoring a player ingame ONLY works for a whisper/tell. Thats a major major issue that needs addressing. I'm sorry but turning off local, team, and trade is not an acceptable form of ignoring one damn person. And I'm sure most will agree on this.

- The current anti-spam system is inadequate. Sure it prevents the same line of text from being entered in rapid sucession, but all you have to do is hit enter, up key and add a space on the end. You get your same message repeated, just as fast, and past the spam filter. Trading ingame is a BITCH. Which leaves trading via community forums....which is just as bad since theres so many threads each day your thread gets knocked down to page 3983948948 and you aren't allowed to bump it (on ANY major forum not just GWG)

- Also I believe ArenaNet are somewhat hypocritical. Now here me out on this one first (and no I'm not running one of these myself nor have I ever been banned ); They've basically at this point said casinos are aganist their Terms of Service cause most casinos rip people off. Guess what, if ya don't want people ripping others off using a casino, don't include a god damn /roll system in the game. Punishing players for using a tool you provide in the game is sad and just makes the company itself look bad. If you've fallen for someone who scammed you out of some money with a casino, too bad. Your fault for falling for it.


Some will "good riddance" "piss off" or whatever. And I also, do realize, GW has no monthly fee, so we are bound to let ArenaNet have some slack when it comes to various issues. This is true. But I also know that some of these features and/or advertisements seem to be lacking and/or false from just the $50 purchase of the game. And no I'm not, at the moment, planning on returning my copy of GW, HOWEVER, I would like to know if there is a 90 day return (or 60 or 30 or whatever) policy.

Mercury Angel

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

Chances are, it depends on the store.
And if you've already opened+played it, most stores have it against their policy to allow you to return it. Sell as used back to them, perhaps, and some may go so far as to give you in-store credit, but most will only accept it back if there's an actual technical problem for it, such as the CD was scratched and won't run, in which case, they would take that one and give you another (except you don't need the CD for guild wars, it's just an example).

TopGun

TopGun

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

This is called "buyers remorse" and most likely your answer is no, you cannot return the game.

Akshara

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that once the game has been opened, installed and an account created online, it cannot be returned. The online account is tied to that game's key, so it can't be resold to another player.

I'd suggest contacting GW support directly and asking them. You're not going to get a definitive response here... that is, unless you're just looking for a headache or to get into a flame war.

Mav

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akshara
I'd suggest contacting GW support directly and asking them. You're not going to get a definitive response here... that is, unless you're just looking for a headache or to get into a flame war.
Well, they don't have official forums...And their staff have been proven to post on GWG, GH, GWO, etc Plus my chances are better with this than an email, they probably get a ton of email and I'd most likely get a auto response/PR response that doesnt answer my question.

Aetherfukz

Aetherfukz

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

My own private hell

none

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
I still have my receipt of buying GW ($49.95 plus tax). I don't have the little warranty/guarantee card that came in the box.

I ask cause I am honestly thinking of returning the game for a variety of reasons.
I have seen quite some false advertising, and I don't think at all that what ArenaNet said about GW falls into this category. The last other game I bought was "Baten Kaitos" for the GameCube, and though being a very nice RPG, it is not was the dvd case says on the back: Fascinating and rich detailed graphics (come on, it uses static rendered backgrounds and low-polygon models everywhere besides in fight scenes), Stunning FMVs (it's got a 1 1/2 minute prerendered intro, thats about it, theres even no end movie) and so on. Anyway, on to your accusations... ^_^

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
- The game is advertised as having no grind, skill over time played. Sure thats somewhat true for just PvE'ing until the end of the PvE game. But if you want even the slightest chance in PvP you need to grind skills at the very least, and items do help, good items. I've been level 20 since like 4 days after buying the game, grind grind and grind some more to get the skills I need and items I need for PvP ;\
Not everyone has the sole purpose of getting on top of some ladder, or getting every item in the game so he can win every game. I for one don't really have to have all the elite skills, items and so on. I just want to play the game and have a fun time. And for skills above all else, I just can say I have won PvPs with PUGs using only the skills I have found via quests and from the skill trainers with my PvE characters...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
- I compliment ArenaNet on their updates and new content. But how come they have addressed obvious issues the community has and has asked for? There've been at least 3+ patches since people have brought up the issue of Ignoring a player ingame ONLY works for a whisper/tell. Thats a major major issue that needs addressing. I'm sorry but turning off local, team, and trade is not an acceptable form of ignoring one damn person. And I'm sure most will agree on this.
This bears truth. the Chat system really needs an overhaul. But at least it works, although (when the right people are in the room) it does get unhandy. It all depends on where and with whom you are there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
- The current anti-spam system is inadequate. Sure it prevents the same line of text from being entered in rapid sucession, but all you have to do is hit enter, up key and add a space on the end. You get your same message repeated, just as fast, and past the spam filter. Trading ingame is a BITCH. Which leaves trading via community forums....which is just as bad since theres so many threads each day your thread gets knocked down to page 3983948948 and you aren't allowed to bump it (on ANY major forum not just GWG)
Right again. But they didn't exactly advertise that they had a major AntiSPAM and trade interface right?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
- Also I believe ArenaNet are somewhat hypocritical. Now here me out on this one first (and no I'm not running one of these myself nor have I ever been banned ); They've basically at this point said casinos are aganist their Terms of Service cause most casinos rip people off. Guess what, if ya don't want people ripping others off using a casino, don't include a god damn /roll system in the game. Punishing players for using a tool you provide in the game is sad and just makes the company itself look bad. If you've fallen for someone who scammed you out of some money with a casino, too bad. Your fault for falling for it.
Don't know, I really like the roll system for playing around with it (sometimes in missions) and for the heck of being able to play in game, like stone-scissor-paper.

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Originally Posted by Mav
Some will "good riddance" "piss off" or whatever. And I also, do realize, GW has no monthly fee, so we are bound to let ArenaNet have some slack when it comes to various issues. This is true. But I also know that some of these features and/or advertisements seem to be lacking and/or false from just the $50 purchase of the game. And no I'm not, at the moment, planning on returning my copy of GW, HOWEVER, I would like to know if there is a 90 day return (or 60 or 30 or whatever) policy.
That being said, I would not suppose that you can give it back. First because you haven't really got cheated, nor does the game not work properly. And second you already installed it and entered your cd-key, so they can't sell that again.

Tyveil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

I've never heard of a software store that gives a 90-day money back return policy for opened games, and they would be stupid to do so. I suggest you get over it and realize you are out your $49.95. You at least played to level 20 so I assume you got some enjoyment out of it. If not, such is life, move on.

Adaria

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

Try selling it to someone on the forum if you can't return it. Chances are you won't be able to due to the online account thing.

I wouldn't mind having a second account and my friend is looking for another one himself.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adaria
Try selling it to someone on the forum if you can't return it. Chances are you won't be able to due to the online account thing.

I wouldn't mind having a second account and my friend is looking for another one himself.
just for the fun of it it states everywhere including the outside of the box *not valid for resale by previous owner*
there are the obvious ways around that but they do state it clearly

as for grind i have 50+ hours on my character looking around here and there and am only at the academy and courthouse area

i have been having too much fun playing the game to worry about the grinding i am doing

Adaria

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

Oh well tell that to people on Ebay selling their accounts, or TRYING to for ... 400+ dollars? Perhaps ANet could allow them to get their money back by shipping them the game with the code, then they can clear it in the computer and resupply the code with another copy of the game?

Shagsbeard

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
- I've been level 20 since like 4 days after buying the game.
Seems to me like you got your money's worth. You've played a game and found that you didn't like it. I doubt anyone is going to be willing to give you your money back. If you don't enjoy a game, simply don't play it. Coming to a board to bad mouth a game is pretty petty.

I disagree with you on the casino issue. It's a great decission to disallow it. Encouraging players to cheat other players out of gold/items is bad. Endorsing casinos is not in the company's best intrest, nor the best intrest of the player base in the long run.

I also disagree with your summary of the visuals. I find them stunning. Being able to see waterfalls in the distance, or detail on a monster that's not even on the map yet... I don't know what you have to complain about.

Anyhoo... I'm glad you voiced your opinions here and gave us the chance to voice ours. Best of luck in future gaming.

rook818

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

So you got to level 20?

Now let me get this straight, you bought a product, used the product, completed the product...and now you want your money back? I don't think it works that way....Aside from that, if you live in the USA, good luck returning an opened computer game anywhere.

This is like buying a scented candle, burning it until it's gone, then trying to return it because you didn't like the scent...I'm sorry, but it doesn't make much sense....(no pun intended )

MyriaN

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Are you being serious?

You want to be able to return the game after playing it for 90 days?!!
Most people finish playing $50 games in less than a few weeks.
If you played the game for a few days and decided you didn't like it I can understand.
But you've maxed your character's level and played through most of the story-line content.

How much time do you need to decide whether you like the game or not? Do you want to be able to play through the entire game 6 different times with all the different character types and then return it because you don't like playing it anymore? Because you can probably do that in about 90 days.

If you had complained about bugs that haven't been fixed, I can understand. But you're complaining that the dev's haven't implemented an ignore feature in exactly the way that you like and that they included a roll feature that you don't like. Software developers are human beings. They can't implement every single feature that everyone has asked for in less than one month after the game's release.

In short, you don't get to return the game after you've played it for 90 days just because it doesn't have every single little feature that you want in it. If that were the case, no game designer would ever make any money and you would not be able to play any games.

If you've played the game and got any enjoyment out of it, give the developers the money that they deserve for making it. Geez.

Mav

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shagsbeard

I also disagree with your summary of the visuals. I find them stunning. Being able to see waterfalls in the distance, or detail on a monster that's not even on the map yet... I don't know what you have to complain about.
Um, are you talking about me here?

I never stated an opinion on the visuals or graphics of the game, in this thread or any other for that matter.

I personally find the visuals to be just fine, I enjoy those.


As for those that say "well you played the game to the end content, and you want your money back?" I say, possibly yes. It took me less than 4 days to roll a character, and take him through all the missions (and some quests) to lvl 20, ascend and do all the post ascension missions. Now I think 4 days is a well justifiable time to test a product (yes, dont go quoting all the beta weekends, i know of those but never heard of the game till it hit retail), however in those 4 days its not my fault a user is able to complete the content given to them.

Sure Id move onto PvP which is fun, but then Guild Wars turns into Grind Wars, as you have to unlock skills, and items, to stand a chance. Sure you can go with whatever skills you've gotten from quests and npc's, same for items, but 10 to 1 says in the arena vs someone who grinded their best skills and grinded the better items will be the one on top.

Atm I'm trying to find ways to shortcuting things. My lvl 20 needs better items and some elite/non elite skills for PvP. However since one of the main reasons I got the game was "player skills over time played", I am relucatant to sink in another couple weeks to grind the skills you need.

Mav

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyriaN
If you had complained about bugs that haven't been fixed, I can understand. But you're complaining that the dev's haven't implemented an ignore feature in exactly the way that you like and that they included a roll feature that you don't like. Software developers are human beings. They can't implement every single feature that everyone has asked for in less than one month after the game's release.

In short, you don't get to return the game after you've played it for 90 days just because it doesn't have every single little feature that you want in it. If that were the case, no game designer would ever make any money and you would not be able to play any games.
1. I never said I disliked the /roll system. Please, re-read my original post. You'll see I am in favor of people using any or all tools provided ingame, including the /roll feature. I did say however, I think ArenaNet is being hypocritical in saying players can be banned for abusing this feature.

2. I asked about a 90 day policy. Now, you as the reader can choose to assume I meant I'd wait the full 90 days to return it. In honesty it's been about two weeks or so I've owned the game. Out of that time period I'd say I've played maybe 5 days, several hours each day, and "beaten" the game. Now as said in previous replies, I do enjoy the PvP yet I do not want to grind to have a chance to compete in it. Anyone that tells you that youve go an honest chance at pvp without grinding for things vs someone who has, is lying to you.

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Every sierra Game had a 90 day moneyback option.. Pretty cool imho.

rook818

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
... however in those 4 days its not my fault a user is able to complete the content given to them.
It is your fault if you use the product to it's conclusion and then demand a refund. If after the first day, you decided it wasn't for you, then I can see that...but you played it, for what must have been 4 marathon day sessions, finished it, and now you want your money back. No, it doesn't work that way, sorry.

If you don't like a dish at a restaurant, you don't eat the whole thing then ask for it to be free. BUT if you take a bite, and then ask for somehting else, you might get it.

Odd Sock

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, the super awesome capital of Canada

iQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aetherfukz
I have seen quite some false advertising, and I don't think at all that what ArenaNet said about GW falls into this category. The last other game I bought was "Baten Kaitos" for the GameCube, and though being a very nice RPG, it is not was the dvd case says on the back: Fascinating and rich detailed graphics (come on, it uses static rendered backgrounds and low-polygon models everywhere besides in fight scenes), Stunning FMVs (it's got a 1 1/2 minute prerendered intro, thats about it, theres even no end movie) and so on. Anyway, on to your accusations... ^_^
It says so on the box and yes that it was ANet advertised their game to be. From the WPE we were all under the impression we wouldn't spend weeks and 200+ hours getting the required skills and items to be competitive in PvP. Many of the 'eldest' (by that I mean people who played in the BWE and WPE) agree to this; we all got caught by the false promise. BTW your claim about GameCube games is irrelevant, bad graphics is NOT hours wasted trying to unlock that superior rune and adding fancy technical polygon terms doesn't make the argument any more solid. What the original poster said were not accusations, they were purely observations on where the company failed to deliver.

People have to see at some point that yes, GW is an above-average game, but it also has many flaws many of which could have easily been avoided if they would have stuck to their plan to make it for PvPers and not PvEer's (and also read bug reports, you want an example ? Riverside bridge exploit). Defending ANet or NCSoft or however is responsible won't make things better. This whole grind thing is but an example of a software company wanting to increase their sale revenues by feeding masochistic grinders their fix of mindless repetitive gameplay (ie beating the game three times to have a chance at unlocking all skills). To be frank many of us 'tolerate' the grind in an effort to see the brighter days which are basically when we'll have enough to do serious GvG

P.S.: this post wasn't flame bait, it was just a simple reply pointing out how ANet failed at delivering the product they advertised and getting fanboys to defend them

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd Sock
It says so on the box and yes that it was ANet advertised their game to be. From the WPE we were all under the impression we wouldn't spend weeks and 200+ hours getting the required skills and items to be competitive in PvP. Many of the 'eldest' (by that I mean people who played in the BWE and WPE) agree to this; we all got caught by the false promise. BTW your claim about GameCube games is irrelevant, bad graphics is NOT hours wasted trying to unlock that superior rune and adding fancy technical polygon terms doesn't make the argument any more solid. What the original poster said were not accusations, they were purely observations on where the company failed to deliver.

People have to see at some point that yes, GW is an above-average game, but it also has many flaws many of which could have easily been avoided if they would have stuck to their plan to make it for PvPers and not PvEer's (and also read bug reports, you want an example ? Riverside bridge exploit). Defending ANet or NCSoft or however is responsible won't make things better. This whole grind thing is but an example of a software company wanting to increase their sale revenues by feeding masochistic grinders their fix of mindless repetitive gameplay (ie beating the game three times to have a chance at unlocking all skills). To be frank many of us 'tolerate' the grind in an effort to see the brighter days which are basically when we'll have enough to do serious GvG

P.S.: this post wasn't flame bait, it was just a simple reply pointing out how ANet failed at delivering the product they advertised and getting fanboys to defend them
LoL honestly I dont understand how the grind system works in all these MMORPGs. Seriously, instead of offering good singleplayer content, lets add hard to get items, and make peopel repeat things over and over. Its a simple human instinct of being better "aka looking better, doing more, etc" but that is WORK, not fun, but people still get the "reward" for getting more items etc. Its sad Guildwars is using this design instead of FUN design such as traditional Singleplayer RPGS, FPS, Strategy games, and NoX (rpg), Fallout tactics (RPG) etc which require no WORK to have fun.

Oni No Arashi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Puget Sound area, WA State

KnightMare Brigade [KB]

E/R

Another PVP'er who says he HAS to have the superior stuff.

Hmm...

Played in ONE BWE.
Have on character at level 20 (R/E) and ascended.
Have a few more working on them (E/R 15, N/Mo 9)

I usually PVP as an Elementalists. I've unlocked some items, one major rune for a Ranger, mostly Minor Runes for other professions, NO Superior Runes. I've unlocked NO elite skills.

And I've been to the HoH a few times.

Damn.... guess all those high powered weapons and runes are cruches for those who can't handle using a little strategy and skill in a PVP environment.

Sorry, you're only 'Ginding' for what you think you need to get that edge, but I really don't see much of a big deal for those uber-skills or items.

What's the really big difference if you know how to use what you already have?

MyriaN

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
1. I never said I disliked the /roll system. Please, re-read my original post. You'll see I am in favor of people using any or all tools provided ingame, including the /roll feature. I did say however, I think ArenaNet is being hypocritical in saying players can be banned for abusing this feature.

2. I asked about a 90 day policy. Now, you as the reader can choose to assume I meant I'd wait the full 90 days to return it. In honesty it's been about two weeks or so I've owned the game. Out of that time period I'd say I've played maybe 5 days, several hours each day, and "beaten" the game. Now as said in previous replies, I do enjoy the PvP yet I do not want to grind to have a chance to compete in it. Anyone that tells you that youve go an honest chance at pvp without grinding for things vs someone who has, is lying to you.
Saying that ArenaNet is hypocritical for having a roll feature but banning casinos is like saying that the state of California is hypocritical for making gambling illegal but allowing playing cards to be sold at toys r us.
Random number generator doesnt equal casino.
Sorry if I misinterpretted your like or dislike of the roll feature, but that isn't the point of my post. And you did call it a "god damn" roll feature, so I assumed that you had something against the roll feature because it allows people to gamble.
And the fact that you wanted to return the game because of you feel the devs are hyprocritical is not a much more compelling argument.

Yes, when you ask about a 90 day policy, I would certainly assume that you intend to return it after 90 days. Otherwise, why ask about a 90 day policy? If you already decided that you don't like the game, why don't you return it now? Why did you say that you intend to keep playing even after ArenaNet has offended your moral sensibilities?

As I said, if you enjoyed the game, then pay for it. The developers deserve to get paid for their hard work. If you don't like the game, return it as soon as you realize it. By the way, not too many people spend 35 hours doing something that they don't like.

Aaaaagh

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

In the United States its a there are copyright reasons games cannot be returned. The only reason you could return an opened game is because it was missing an item, and then your return would not be for cash, it would be for a working copy of the game.

But, if youre worried about the fiddy bucks, then do this. Log on to each character and type /age. Add all the times up, divide by fiddy dolla. Thats how much it cost you to play GW per hour of fun. Now, go feel ridiculous about whining over entertainment that cost you less then $1 an hour.

cha cha cha

MyriaN

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

I realized after rereading my posts that I sounded quite mean and vindictive.
I'm usually not like that and I appologize.
This is just one of my "hot buttons" since I develop software for a living.

I certainly don't think you should have to pay for something you didn't like or use. But it really seemed like you got a fair amount of entertainment from the game. If that's the case, paying for it seems like the right thing to do.

aeroclown

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyriaN
I realized after rereading my posts that I sounded quite mean and vindictive.
I'm usually not like that and I appologize.
This is just one of my "hot buttons" since I develop software for a living.

I certainly don't think you should have to pay for something you didn't like or use. But it really seemed like you got a fair amount of entertainment from the game. If that's the case, paying for it seems like the right thing to do.
*shrugs*

I work as end user support for 2 Open source Projects that also sell higherlevel products and I can't say that I see your point here.

I Think you the user has no right to return software after you have opened the box installed it and used it with the exception of missing physical parts. Opening the box by itself implies, that with the technology currently available, you can do any number of things with the software I have distributed to you on disk.

There no such thing as I don't want to pay for it now that I'm done with it. That is Like keeping the tag on a pair of underwear just so you can return it to walmart once your done abusing it.

Thats just wrong in more then one way.

*shrugs*

Thats my 2 cents I suppose, It might not sit well with everyone, but thats how I see it. The you in this post means a universal you, so there is not pointing of fingers. Kinda of odd how you have to clarify stuff like that these days. People are out to cute your fingers off for no good reason.

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

No you cannot return or resell the game, read the Eula.
Hard luck, file it on your self with other games you no longer play and go find you next fix.
I haven't read your bitching as it has all been said before, by people of like mind to yourself.
Alas you cannot please everyone.

Celes Tial

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Pirates of BBQ Bay

Mo/Me

I am getting rather tired of those 'My expectations were disappointed so look, I QUIT!' posts. Whether or not you enjoy a product you purchased is based on personal preferences. Others would disagree with you, and feel they got more than their moneys worth out of the purchase. Many first person shooters can be completed in 10 hours... do you return them to the store?

Throughout your life you will order pizzas you end up not liking, meet people you end up not liking, and so on and so forth. Its life. You cant ask life for a reimburse on every disappointment you meet along the way.

Mav

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Just a note;

any more PM's in my inbox will simply be deleted without being read

there are a ton of threads I hate and don't agree with, but I do not send those thread starters private messages trying to talk shit about them personally

i respect peoples right to disagree with my views and opinions, and im sorry others are so narrow minded they cant allow themselves to respect others that way as well. this is a forum, meant for discussion of pretty much anything guildwars. ive broken no forum rules (maybe a little excessive profanity, but the kind moderators already have a filter for that), so other than doing what others are doing; discussing, just suck it up and deal with it that some people have opinions and sometimes those opinios are very negative.

Nim

Nim

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

USA.CT

PANiC AttAcK

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav
I've been level 20 since like 4 days after buying the game, grind grind and grind some more to get the skills I need and items I need for PvP ;\
4 whole days? Wow! Talk about a grind *end of sarcasm*

Mav

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nim
4 whole days? Wow! Talk about a grind *end of sarcasm*
Again with the taking sentances out of context

Four days to reach level 20

almost 20 weeks to capture the skills/buy the skills and items I need

and please, no one quote and point out the "omg another that NEEDS shit for pvp". i'll hand you some "average" gear, and let you plus 7 other people equipped with "average" gear and skills head to the tombs and hoh, see how well you do verus a full team of 8 with everything unlocked, and some of if not the best items in the game. dunno about some but i dont like loosing

so yes, theres a grind dude, and no i didnt grind for 4 days, i simply did the storyline missions. grinding is there for the skills and items

Odd Sock

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, the super awesome capital of Canada

iQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oni No Arashi
Another PVP'er who says he HAS to have the superior stuff.

Hmm...

Played in ONE BWE.
Have on character at level 20 (R/E) and ascended.
Have a few more working on them (E/R 15, N/Mo 9)

I usually PVP as an Elementalists. I've unlocked some items, one major rune for a Ranger, mostly Minor Runes for other professions, NO Superior Runes. I've unlocked NO elite skills.

And I've been to the HoH a few times.

Damn.... guess all those high powered weapons and runes are cruches for those who can't handle using a little strategy and skill in a PVP environment.

Sorry, you're only 'Ginding' for what you think you need to get that edge, but I really don't see much of a big deal for those uber-skills or items.

What's the really big difference if you know how to use what you already have?
That's exactly it, you've been to HoH a few times. My guild and I have held the HoH many times and you know why ? because we all created characters that had the proper items unlocked. We never brought players that didn't have proper items and certainly no elementalists that didn't have superior runes. You want an example of how holding the HoH is done right ? Try holding it for 28 consecutive and getting kicked out twice because after 6 games of fighting with 7 people we got kicked out by a group composed of nO and ClG players. You shouldn't be proud of having reached it a few times, you should be proud of holding it many times.

Good items, runes and skills are not crutches but a necessity when you reach top PvP. It gets even more critical when you reach the top of the ladder. If my axe has a +20% enchant duration that means my JI will be up a few more seconds dealing a +10DPS (if not more) for a few more seconds. If my Air Magic is at 16 then my orbs will deal 137 not a puny 80something damage. See how it works ? Oh and BTW elites are just that good, you also need them to make a decent strategy. When you get serious about PvP then you can start talking. Furthermore you're wasting your time with that E/R since the R/E you made already has unlocked all the skills the E/R will. Way to grind buddy, goes to show a PvEer can't understand what grind is.

Also to Mav, perhaps you should report those hate PM's to a mod

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

theres a grind

but certainly LESS grind than other competitor online games

NiknudStunod

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

The squeeky wheel gets the oil. I am sure if enough of these threads keep popping something could be done. I agree with the OP on almost everything he said. I myself believe anet can choose how there ingame tools are used and not used. If someone is using something to cheat another player then anet has every right to issue warnings then bans.

chalt2

chalt2

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ohio

Heros of Oakhurst - Leader

E/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oni No Arashi
Another PVP'er who says he HAS to have the superior stuff.

Hmm...

Played in ONE BWE.
Have on character at level 20 (R/E) and ascended.
Have a few more working on them (E/R 15, N/Mo 9)

I usually PVP as an Elementalists. I've unlocked some items, one major rune for a Ranger, mostly Minor Runes for other professions, NO Superior Runes. I've unlocked NO elite skills.

And I've been to the HoH a few times.

Damn.... guess all those high powered weapons and runes are cruches for those who can't handle using a little strategy and skill in a PVP environment.

Sorry, you're only 'Ginding' for what you think you need to get that edge, but I really don't see much of a big deal for those uber-skills or items.

What's the really big difference if you know how to use what you already have?

Whoa, whoa, whoa there big fella... posting common sense, you must be out of your mind, common sense isn't accecpted around here too much.
It is good to hear it though, thanks for the post.

chalt2

chalt2

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ohio

Heros of Oakhurst - Leader

E/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celes Tial
I am getting rather tired of those 'My expectations were disappointed so look, I QUIT!' posts. Whether or not you enjoy a product you purchased is based on personal preferences. Others would disagree with you, and feel they got more than their moneys worth out of the purchase. Many first person shooters can be completed in 10 hours... do you return them to the store?

Throughout your life you will order pizzas you end up not liking, meet people you end up not liking, and so on and so forth. Its life. You cant ask life for a reimburse on every disappointment you meet along the way.
Yes, yes keep the common sense comming, it's good stuff

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

Mav you start a tread that is a blatant attack on the game on a forum dedicated to the game, and then wonder why someone might send you an PM about it? Lol
Come on man no one over the age of 15 is actually buying the fact that you where asking a legitimate question, and if you where (coming on an internet forum to ask a question about the return policy of your local gaming store that is) then hmm maybe you should ask your parents or something. I personally didn’t send you an PM calling you names, as I think that doesn’t show a whole lot of class itself, but I have certainly understand the thinking behind it.

Pevil Lihatuh

Pevil Lihatuh

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Yorkshire, UK

R/Me

This isn't actually such a dumb question. Depending where you are. The company I work for gives you 10 days on ANY game EXCEPT PC to try it out. If you don't like it, have your money back. Only reason PC isn't included is coz 1. easy to copy and 2. account creation.

However I do think you woulda realised that you can't take it back after you've created the account. Only way you're gonna get your money back is sell the account on ebay for whatever you paid in the first place. Someone is gonna get a bargain, sure they pay 'full price' but they're getting a character too. If they don't delete it.

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

FFS another grind post. Yawn, This forum should just be titles the to grind or not to grind, then open another forum where peeps can post interesting topic's.
Either that or Do what I have do for my NWN PW Forum, Create a Jerry Springer Forum Section and move all the whinging, abusive, tit for tat posts to there. These are public forums and Kids will also read them, ALOT of POSTERS Here need to GROW UP.

Valin

Valin

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Order of the Stick

N/Mo

Wow, talk about retaliation! Mav's question isn't a 'blatant attack', it's just honest. Everyone here should know that GW isn't for everyone... no game is. If he doesn't like it all the power to him. I can't stand GTA but everyone else in the world seems to love it. Do I deserve to get flamed if I asked the resident GTA experts how I can get my money back? Of course not! If anyone would know they would.

To answer your question Mav, while GW is not a traditional MMO it does fall under the retailer category of MMOs: No refunds or returns because of the unique key required. After an extensive search I found no mention of any policy that would allow you to get a refund from ArenaNet directly, but you could always email their support department and ask. It couldn't hurt.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valin
Mav's question isn't a 'blatant attack', it's just honest.
its not "simply" honest

its his negative opinions at a GuildWars fan-site


his first criticism is false advertising about no grind

and then he goes on to call the game developers Hyprocrites about Casinos





if you want to simply ask about a refund, you dont have to bash the game


that said, nasty private messages are uncalled for

Mountain Man

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

N/E

The game packaging blatantly warns you that an opened gamebox can not be returned or refunded.

If you think you have a valid case for "false advertising" then take it to court and let a judge decide.

In the meantime, uninstall the game, stick it on a shelf, and leave those of us who actually enjoy it in peace.