please let players change character appearance

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

right now i have a level 20 ascended/infused character. and i notice that his appearance isn't exactly how i want to be any more

i need a way to edit his appearance at the character appearance screen

i should not have to create a new character and spend another 100+ hours leveling and getting all my stuff back just to change the appearance of my character to what i want it to be, which is the only option at the present time

all i should have to do is to go back to the character appearance screen with my existing level 20 RP character, and change things as much as i want until my heart's content

please put this in. it's very important.

thx

MCS

MCS

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Uh......
A: Who cares about appearance
B: I think they are MILDLY going for realism, plastic surgery with a dirty dull sword anyone?

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Uh......
A: Who cares about appearance
i do. i'm sure lots of people do. and the devs do too, else they wouldn't have let you choose your appearance in the first place

i'm not a dev or anything, but i'm guessing it would not be a difficult technical thing to implement into the game. so they might as well do it and make me and everyone else who cares about appearance happy in regards to this issue

MCS

MCS

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

You chose your appearance at the start you should be expected to keep it.

You're allowed to chose it at the start to have variety in the game, everyone looks different, sure they could randomize it but that would suck.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
You chose your appearance at the start you should be expected to keep it.
why should i be expected to keep it? maybe after having spent some time up close and personal with my appearance - something you can't do before choosing your appearance - i realized it wasn't the best one hence i don't like it any more

it harms nobody to let me change it to how i want it. so i should be able to.

Lady Leara

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

I dont even think any games out there allow for this, other than changing your custom in CoH.

I would have agree if the character could "aged" and look older/stronger/scars from battle expereince, etc etc in some way so you wont look like a newbie with good gears.

johnnylange

johnnylange

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

USA/Near Chicago

The Divine Darkness <TDDG>

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Uh......
B: I think they are MILDLY going for realism, plastic surgery with a dirty dull sword anyone?
Hey, plastic surgery sounds like a great idea! They could release an expansion pack called "Guild Wars: The Holly Wood Reality Series"

MCS

MCS

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

It wouldn't hurt anyone to put a lot of things in, it doesn't mean that they should be put in.

It shouldn't be put in because the game is trying to be semi realistic, except all the monsters and magic of course. Why not let us fly, why not let us have guns! It's not hurting anything.

Because there is no realistic way to have your appearance changed it's just stupid.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

How much plastic surgery does it take to change a hair style?

johnnylange

johnnylange

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

USA/Near Chicago

The Divine Darkness <TDDG>

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
It wouldn't hurt anyone to put a lot of things in, it doesn't mean that they should be put in.

It shouldn't be put in because the game is trying to be semi realistic, except all the monsters and magic of course. Why not let us fly, why not let us have guns! It's not hurting anything.

Because there is no realistic way to have your appearance changed it's just stupid.
It sounds like there's a lot of those who are againest adding more "realism" to the game... That part I don't understand since I thought gamers are always asking for better graphics, more detail, just more of everything. It seems like the more people suggest adding extra things to the game, the more I see those who are wanting less in the game...anyone else seeing this picture?

johnnylange

johnnylange

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

USA/Near Chicago

The Divine Darkness <TDDG>

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
How much plastic surgery does it take to change a hair style?
Good Question! I'm not a hair stylist by any means, but I would think not too much if any. Although, you could always get a secound opinion on this by a professional.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS

Because there is no realistic way to have your appearance changed it's just stupid.
no one would know or care that my appearance has changed except for me and maybe a few of my closest guild mates.

putting the ability to change your appearance in would have no negative effect whatsoever on anything.

if anything is stupid, it seems to me that keeping this option out of the game is stupid, seeing as the character appearance screen exists already, and all it would take to implement this feature would be letting players access the already-existing screen whenever they want to

Willow

Willow

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

I think tweaking one's appearance would be fun... and it wouldn't affect gameplay at all.

If you don't want to change your appearance, don't. But I don't see any good reason not to allow those that do to do so.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylange
It sounds like there's a lot of those who are againest adding more "realism" to the game... That part I don't understand since I thought gamers are always asking for better graphics, more detail, just more of everything. It seems like the more people suggest adding extra things to the game, the more I see those who are wanting less in the game...anyone else seeing this picture?

This game needs more. It's already simplistic. Graphically it's amazing, but lacking in just about every other category. it's linear, it's basic, it's limited, and it's bordering on boring.

Holoman

Holoman

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

I believe you can change your appearance anytime in Everquest.
Haven't played for two years, but I remembered I could do that back then.
Oh, I would also love for the developers to add in this ability too, although I don't really need right now.

Perishiko ReLLiK

Perishiko ReLLiK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Divine Guardians of the Soul (Soul)

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Uh......
A: Who cares about appearance
B: I think they are MILDLY going for realism, plastic surgery with a dirty dull sword anyone?
/agreed,
we all have masks/things over our face anyhow... if not, oh well... we're not in a beauty pagent...

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
This game needs more. It's already simplistic. Graphically it's amazing, but lacking in just about every other category. it's linear, it's basic, it's limited, and it's bordering on boring.
Wow, simple minded eh? You can't be serious.... this game has a limitless supply of skill varieties (Which is what the gameplay/pvp is ALL about)... I would hate to play any game if i were you.. "Goodness, my face looks funny, i think this is boring... i quit.", nice attitude... lol, i know i know, you didnt say *that* exactly... but that's basically what your putting out... Cause the missions/quests come in a Huge variety as well... if you actually explore some... basically saying, you're only boring yourself, and it's your fault ^.^

**The game is Mostly set up for PVP, and guild Wars(It's "lacking" nothing), if you don't like that, then wait for an expansion and get the added pve content, if you're really not into questing, cause you can explore every area outside of towns/mission posts...**

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
no one would know or care that my appearance has changed except for me and maybe a few of my closest guild mates.

putting the ability to change your appearance in would have no negative effect whatsoever on anything.

if anything is stupid, it seems to me that keeping this option out of the game is stupid, seeing as the character appearance screen exists already, and all it would take to implement this feature would be letting players access the already-existing screen whenever they want to
And with you buddy, it Would have a negative effect, it's going to be haltering the needed providing of an auction house/change in trading system in some way.

It takes time to change in game programming in an mmorpg, of course it would be using alot of already used scripting, it would have to add this extra option in the options tab, and really... the game just came out... so while it may be added, it wont be for quite some time... You just need to think about the fact that they have more important things to be working on.

Sadye X

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Leara
I dont even think any games out there allow for this, other than changing your custom in CoH.
Actually in EQ you were able to change both your facial appearance and hair style / color at any point you wanted.

Personally I don't see any reason *not* to be able to change at least your hair if nothing else ... I mean, we can use dye on our armor right ? And who hasn't ever used a box of Rit dye on their hair at least once ?

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK
we all have masks/things over our face anyhow... if not, oh well... we're not in a beauty pagent...


And with you buddy, it Would have a negative effect, it's going to be haltering the needed providing of an auction house/change in trading system in some way.

the masks don't cover your face in town. and maybe you want to change your body size too, which armor covering would not solve

as for this halting the other features in some way; that might not be the case. the devs who happen to be to assigned to this sort of issue (appearance screen/options) might have some spare time one day in which they can implement this.

of course i do not know how the dev duties get assigned, then again neither do you. so perhaps we should not speculate about that and needn't worry that putting in one necessary feature would somehow make the other ones not get put in also

Perishiko ReLLiK

Perishiko ReLLiK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Divine Guardians of the Soul (Soul)

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
the masks don't cover your face in town. and maybe you want to change your body size too, which armor covering would not solve

as for this halting the other features in some way; that might not be the case. the devs who happen to be to assigned to this sort of issue (appearance screen/options) might have some spare time one day in which they can do implement this.

of course i do not know how the dev duties get assigned, then again neither do you. so perhaps we should not speculate about that and needn't worry that putting in one necessary feature would somehow make the other ones not get put in also
Idea read, and accepted, good thing i wasnt too aggresive. ^.^ i see the error of my ways, and i stand corrected... But as i still wouldnt mind to see this, i'm just trying to stress my idea of having an auction house/trading system change with every suggestion... So i'm totaly not against you

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

I agree completely with Navaros. I originally chose an elementalist hair color that matched the apprentice suit, but now that my armor has changed, my hair no longer matches (even dye-ing doesn't make the armor as I want it). Navaros has a good point about you deciding that you don't entirely like your appearance after creation, though. You only look at the character models for a few minutes during creation, but you're looking at them for hundreds of hours after creation, so you do get a better idea of what you like after creation.

Appearance is an important part of the game. It creates more customization and therefore better for role-playing, fun, etc. That's why people spend 60,000 gold on armor that fits their tastes. The last time I checked, a game is played for having fun.

Also, 2 big MMORPG's that I know of (there are probably a lot more) that allow you to change your character's appearance after creation are Star Wars Galaxies and Ragnarok Online.

Of course, I wouldn't mind paying in-game gold to go to the stylist NPC or whoever changes your appearance. I think anywhere from 1-15K gold is reasonable.

Yojinj

Yojinj

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Germany

None at the moment

N/Mo

Well this stylist-need-threads come on a regular base. And yes there needs to be a way to edit apperance. Those who don't want to change it, fine have it your way no one makes you to change it.
Fact is that most who say no now will use the feature aswell when it is implemented.

Eclair

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

I think its a good idea, make it somewhat expensive, say uh...1k per hair change, 5-10k per face change, 1k for size change, etc. It'll be a good money sink considering how fast money is coming into the economy, and this in now way imbalances the game.

Dare

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

W/R

I for one agree, that appearance is important. But instead of completely changing your character, maybe just allow you to change your haircut or your hair color. Maybe have special items that allow you to change your hair style, and dyes that can be used on your hair. But these dyes wont be default colors that u can choose when you make your character but different colors. I personally have seen my close more then a 5 times so far. Being able to change hair color would definatly decrease the chance of seeing your clone. I am against being able to change your face however, it just wouldnt feel as if it was your character, and too much to do with plastic surgery =P

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

i think this falls under the same catagory as a name change

Gaile said that they are working on a way to change characters names but at the present time they are UNABLE to change a name (and appearance i presume) not that they are UNWILLING

if they find a way to separate a name from being tied to an account character maybe they will be able to do the same with appearance

all anybody can do is wait and see

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

I'm not exactly sure if it is exactly the same (but then again, I don't know how the server works ). Not being able to change the name is understandable, since you have to make sure there are no duplicate names, as well as update all of the names on guild/friends lists. But for appearances, I think it's much simpler, and doesn't take into account any of those factors. But again, I have no idea how the server/database works, so this guess is as good as any. I sure hope that they will allow appearance changes though.

The countering inflation is another good point that never occured to me.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magus
I'm not exactly sure if it is exactly the same (but then again, I don't know how the server works ). Not being able to change the name is understandable, since you have to make sure there are no duplicate names, as well as update all of the names on guild/friends lists. But for appearances, I think it's much simpler, and doesn't take into account any of those factors.

funny that they go to all the effort to ensure no duplicate names, and yet they allow duplicate clan tags to run rampant

i too think appearances should be simpler since changing your guild cape appearance is really easy thing to do.

of course a dev would know best about how difficult all of this is so if a dev weighed in on if they intend to do anything about the changing your appearance issue, that would be ideal

DrSLUGFly

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

I'm not cool with name change since that's our actual guild/friend/character ID, however I know a lot of people who would like to alter appearance. I think the following things should be available for a fee::

-hair styles and colors
-tattoos added and (for a higher price) removed
-clothing colors (dye doesn't seem to work too well for me)

I don't think facial features should be alterable (that or for a very heavy price... believe someone mentioned plastic surgery with a rusty sword? or perhaps an axe ) And I 150% think that changing gender should never be an option. These features and these limitations would add to the RP experience... and those who don't care about appearance would never have to use them. This wouldn't add server lag, it wouldn't give any advantages... there is absolutely no reason to not do it.

Ramus

Ramus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

Zero Tolerance

W/Mo

SWG had complete body/face/hair customization and even a profession so you could get it changed in game at anytime. Guild Wars is extremely lacking in player customization and it hurts the game more than helping it.

MysticMirage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Dark Seraphs

Me/Mo

I just have to say that I almost completely disagree with changibf appearance, just because I...do. I don't know. The only situation I can think of where it WOULD be a good idea is if there is an update or an expansion that gives more facial/hair features. In that case, we should be able to take our character back to the character customization screen and look at the new options, and change what we see fit. But other than that, although I recognize that it does not affect me if other people do it, I just don't LIKE the idea.

midnyte13

midnyte13

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

W/E

the ability to change appearance would be way cool....and it would be realistic...people do it all the time....even by gaining/losing weight...building muscle mass by werking out...changing hair color ( ! ) and even clothes styles say from punkins to rappish....it happens everyday and in real life right before our eyes......get it done

Lek Stacy

Lek Stacy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

Savage Killers (SK)

N/Mo

I would like to be able to use dye on my characters hair.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Because there is no realistic way to have your appearance changed it's just stupid.
I have to agree with everyone quoting him; hair dye and haircuts have been around for a long time, and people grow moustaches, beards and shave every day. At a minmum Hairstyle/Hair colour/Degree of facial hair should be selectable.

BrandonIT

BrandonIT

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Dallas, TX

Tribal Instincts

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Epinephrine
I have to agree with everyone quoting him; hair dye and haircuts have been around for a long time, and people grow moustaches, beards and shave every day. At a minmum Hairstyle/Hair colour/Degree of facial hair should be selectable.
Agreed. I would like to see a LITTLE more customization in these areas. And I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed at any time in the game.

As someone said, SWG had a GREAT character customization system, and while I'm not looking for that level here in a free MMO, I would 'like' to see more customization if possible.

Exion

Exion

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Exiles of Azeroth

N/W

well I gotta admit I was dissapointed with my mesmers 15k set of rogue armor (looking alot like normal rogue's cept the chest). I feel appearance is important so every player dosen't look the same, the dye system is ok but could use afew more armors.

chpmmttn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

changing hair would be a good money sink.
maybe even require materials for the elite hair cuts and dye for changing color.

changing anything else though seems a bit questionable.
why not let you change sex while your at it.

DrSLUGFly

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

I'd like to cross reference Fable here, where everything you do affects your appearance. Your muscles grow larger if you do lots of physical stuff, if you're mostly active at night you grow pale, you keep scars, etc. Although I don't expect it to be this detailed, I have to back up chpmmttn (how the hell do you pronounce that?) and Epinephrine (a drug?) and Dr Slugfly (f*ckin weirdo!)

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

I don't think sex should be able to be changed, since often your name has something to do with your sex (so usually a name change would be needed with a sex change). It would be awkward to see a male warrior named "Princess Fiona" or something like that.

I agree that I'm favoring appearance changes mostly because I want to be able to change my hair color, but I think many others would still like to be able to change their face, hair style, and skin color. (maybe even body size), which is why I think it would be best to at least leave that possibility open.

SearchNDestroy

SearchNDestroy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Elite Soldiers of Honor

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramus
SWG had complete body/face/hair customization and even a profession so you could get it changed in game at anytime. Guild Wars is extremely lacking in player customization and it hurts the game more than helping it.

You also paid a monthly fee and got only 1 character on the server. Yes SWG allowed you to do alot of things with your character ( visually ) but theres no story line and the game was unbalanced. Now they are trying to change the game to be more like GW / WoW / EQ but there still no story. You want to be an image designer ? go ahead it only takes a couple of weeks of casual mindless grinding.... Oh and for a little well known secret ( there was never a CU alpha and beta is on Live now)..

Bah sorry had to vent..............

GW is a great game and seems well thought out and balanced. Changing a characters appearance after he has been created is just not something any of us should be concerned about.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

all this talk about only changing your hair is pretty silly

the tools are already in the game to let players change much more than just the hair. to implement an entirely new system which strips most of the already-present customization features would be worthless and aggravating

what they need to do is let you access the same exact screen that you can customize everything with at the start. you should be able to change your hair, your face, your body size...everything that they already let you change at the start of the game

as for it costing gold to do this; that's fine. but taking away already-present options is totally not cool at all.

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Ragnarok Online allowed you to have 9 characters. Although it had significantly less customization than Star Wars Galaxies, you could still change your appearance after creation. Also, I don't see how the price of the game has anything to do with whether or not you can change your appearance. Strictly PvP players probably don't care (but I don't see why they would be against something that is technically already implemented,) but this is something that is very important to any role-player (both PvE and PvP alike), who make up at least half of the entire GW population.