How can we as a community get our voice heard with the devs regarding grind?

I do not want any talk of whether or not the grind is good in this game. Absolutely no talk about whether it is necessary or whether it is comparatively too little or too much. This thread needs to be different and not just an unconstructive rehash of those earlier threads. No arguing about whether it's "farming" or whether it's "grinding".

This thread is devoted to those PvPers who would like the "unlock all skills" button in beta to be reimplemented. How do we collectively get our voice heard by the devs?

This won't because what you ask is for a one sided view on the whole thing.

This is devoted to a certain and significant segment of the community who believe one thing and would like some way for their voice to be heard. The purpose of this thread is different from other threads. I do not want any debate in this thread that is not related to how to talk to the devs. This is for people who already hold a certain belief and are probably frustrated because of it and want some way to be heard.

I'm sure ArenaNet is well aware of the issue the PvP community has. Every forum for every fansite has several threads regarding this contraversial topic. The community manager, Gaile Gray, reads all of the forums and reports back to the dev team. I think thats the best you can hope for.

But if you have a completely one sided view in this topic, the dev's may read it and believe that you are unopposed on this issue..which believe me, you are not.

Unfortunately, since we don't pay a monthly fee, theres only so far we can go with our opinions on the game.

I agree with the grind issue, this was the main reason I bought the game and yet, if I want good pvp I'm going to need at least more than a handful of spells (obviously some better than others) and same for items. I know I know, it's been argued before. What erks me about it is, they advertise the damn game as skill over time played. I wasn't aware skill meant grinding gear, items and skills to stand a chance in the Hall of Heroes or Guild vs Guild.

If devs read the forums, the devs know that there is a split on the topic and that it is not unanimous. However, I believe the devs are underestimating the extent and size of the group of pvpers with a mentality that dislikes grind and repetitive actions. I really would like to gauge how much of the guild wars community would like the UAS button reimplemented and how many would really like their voice to be heard.

I'm sorry, but being able to get all needed spells in a month, on a mmorpg... is NOT even close to a grind... this kind of topic is really bothering me, and it's quite stupid.

Only if you just started the game and don't know how to play/ANY idea of what to do... then yes, it might take a whole two months... Try playing a game with a grind, and maybe then you can complain... i mean seriously... this is so annoying hearing people like this...

Most skills can be captured with one character, and even if your skill is on the last mission (which mine was) it's still easy to get... i've got two completely full setted characters, which both had skills that i had to get from beyond perdition rock... so umm... What grind?

Not to mention if you have just one person from your guild, you can get past alot of things within just a week... my first character took me roughly two weeks to get to lvl 20 and past ascending... but the second time of ascention i noticed Everything was incredibly easy... and i zipped through all the little missions with henchies... I didnt even get Rushed... like some people can... you can get alot of needed skills in a simple 2-3 hours if you have a really good guild... so umm... wow, why complain...

*If you can remotely tell me how this is a grind, in an intellegent way, i would listen and may even change my answer... but ive gotten past the last mission twice since the game came out... and i'm more of a casual gamer...*

edit:: --- Oh yea, and just because of those that say anet doesnt listen... look at their page... next update coming, is More elite monsters in higher area's, making elites easier to get!! --- so well... if that's the sort of grind (Which is the only i could possibly see) that you're talkin about, it's been looked over already... And if you're talking about normal skills... then explore the map and look at the skill trainers... i think most if not all skills can be gotten from them (Besides the elites, which come on bosses only)

Yup, calling topics like this 'stupid' shows your intelligence so beautifully especially when the op said :

As to the actual point of this thread, aren't their online petitions that can be signed? Possibly start one up and have it advertised on all the sites. A mass email campaign would also get the message across fairly clearly.

Shrug, if a.net's response to what they've seen on the forums so far is to add some more boss spawns for elite capturing and nothing else, my faith in them is pretty much gone.

Laz

Note that you just voted the cardinal rule of my thread, Perishiko ReLLiK. No discussion about whether or not there is "grind" in this game or whether it should be in. This thread is for those who want the UAS button reimplemented. Please be civil and adult about this and respect the confines of the discussion.

That said, I'll acquiesce a bit and answer your request.
To get runes for all classes for full experimentation in the game, you have to do extremely repetitive actions for very long periods of time after "beating" the game. They have also consistently nerfed the ability to farm to increase the time investment necessary (Riverside and now flesh golems).

Now, no more discussion about whether or not there is grind in this game or how you feel about it. This thread is not for that type of discussion. This is for those who have already made up their mind and want the UAS button reimplemented.

Lazarous, although a petition may seem futile, it might be one of the only options we have. With no official forums or way to contact the devs, that's the only thing I can think of that can actually show the size and extent of the people who feel a certain way. It seems the devs are underestimating the size and beliefs of the competitive community of Guild Wars.

I was musing about two different compromises to implement in a petition or as some form of suggestion.

The first compromise and the one I like most is unlocking an UAS button after "beating" the game or possibly beating the UW content.

The second compromise is allowing players to acquire skills, item mods, and runes through purely playing pvp in both the 4v4 and 8 party arenas.

I believe that the compromise of making it easier to know what the rune will identify into and the higher spawn rates of bosses with elites are not compromises at all since they do nothing to alleviate dozens of hours of repetitive actions.

I don't care if you don't want this posted, but Perishiko is totally correct. This game doesn't need an unlock all skills button. I mean really, who bought this game JUST for PvP? Not me, that's for sure. The grind is non-existent compared to Runescape and Everquest. I play for fun, not to pwn in PvP with all my l33t skills I unlocked with one click. So what, you had to play for a month to get good? Cry me a river.

This thread is for those who want the UAS system implemented. Do not turn this thread into a PvPer vs PvEer holy war.

I do not want any talk of whether or not the grind is good in this game. Absolutely no talk about whether it is necessary or whether it is comparatively too little or too much. This thread needs to be different and not just an unconstructive rehash of those earlier threads. No arguing about whether it's "farming" or whether it's "grinding".

Please be adult and civil about this.

Sounds one sided to me, doubt no one cares if you don't have a "general" sample, not a one sided sample.

You just can't keep quiet can you? Read the first post. This was supposed to be a thread for PVP people who want to discuss this issue, NOT for people like you coming in here and telling us that the topic is stupid. If it's bothering you so much then DONT READ IT. Simple as that.

And no, I do not support the Unlock All Skills option, but I'm not going to be an ass and call everyone who wants it an idiot either.

This thread is supposed to be for those who all hold a similar view who want to be able to be heard by the devs. Of course, it's going to be one-sided in that sense. But then again, that makes a great many organizations such as the NRA or PETA "one-sided". It's a superfluous label in this case.

Post on this subject #3432.

Pointless, tbh, these always get flamed whether we like it or not.

It will be repeated time and again: It was specifically said that the BWE ASU option was ONLY FOR BWEs.

Can we get a sticky about this, already? With a poll that is MODERATED to find out a real number? For the sake of quieting both sides.

On a more helpfull note: Air, you should probably make a post like this in sardelac, not riverside. Probably would get flamed less, also.

If an UAS button is imlemented in some form (i.e. after "beating" the game), I think that UAS pvp characters should only be able to play with other UAS pvp characters. This button shouldn't be tied to the entire account and should only apply to pvp characters within the account. UAS PvP charactes would not affect PvE charactes in any way. Templates should probably remain in their current form as a way to play with PvE characters.

Aiwahead, this thread is different from those threads. It is intended as a way to figure out how to speak to the devs. I considered posting in Sardelac, but I think this thread aptly fits the community more than the suggestions discussion forum.

I think if there ever was a poll, the wording would be very critical since there needs to be a compromise. It should be clear that UAS players would never have any affect or influence over PvE characters, even in arenas PvE characters can participate in. Although this could potentially divide the PvPer and PvEer communities, I believe that they are divided enough already by virtue of those labels and what I've seen in past discussions.

The unlock all skills button was there for beta testing. It was never going to make it into retail why can't you PVP only people get over that.

I know why you can't get over it because you have to play the PVE side of the game to get your super wonderfull skills, i know, i know.

Air,

IF they were to have a UAS botton and then segregate the PvP characters that used it from other characters, it would defeat the purpose of the thing entirely. Segregated players couldn't compete in HoH or GvG with everyone else in the game. What would be the point? That is what all the flaming boils down to. You cannot have that button available without either sperating GW into 2 seperate games or giving PvP characters that use such an option a totally unfair advantage over the ones that don't.