Stop Blaming Healers, Blame Yourself

Playing a W/E I don't really spend points in tactics and I don't always have alot to buff myself. I do, however, have endure pain to give me that extra few seconds I need. an extra 240 hp gives your monk alot of time to crank out that heal when you're in a dire situation.
It's honestly saved my arse more times than I can count.

W/Mo's can be great PvE tanks with good damage over time, but you never need more than one per a group, and he needs to play smart.

I have a swords/protection/tactics W/Mo, and he's very useful. He's there to protect the other characters while they dish out the really heavy damage. Sadly, too many pubbie W/Mo's see themselves as healers instead of protectors and build a redundant and suboptimal character. Healing is a monk's job, not a warrior's.

Moronic rangers cause me no end of trouble. I can handle a rambo warrior. The smart players and I just run away and let the idiot die alone. On the other hand, I can't handle a rambo ranger. The idiot shoots the enemies, panics when they all charge, and immediately buries himself inside the party, training an army of baddies onto us. It sucks. :[

would be nice if that vid is formated to play on QuickTime or Windows media player./

Quoted for truth

Hmmm, my main character is a monk so I know well the pain of foolish teammates. I also know the joys of a good and sometimes great teams. But I watched this video and all I saw was you just standing there watching them die and not casting a single protection or heal...then running away while using healing breeze on yourself and making fun of them. Dunno how this is supposed to show your warrior teammates being the silly ones. Seems to me you just screwed them over. Maybe their plan wasn't the best but they weren't charging into battle or doing things individually. They made a plan as a team. The only one who did his own thing was YOU.

Nice video capture, though.

Errr- All I am seeing is the casual WMP flashy circles, and then I hear some StarWars music.

Lets not forget stupid monks! (long story coming up.. sry)

Last night doing The Wilds and I was the primary healer. As it happend another level 14 primary monk was in the group as well. Initially I'm thinking, great if he's at all competent I won't have to worry about bitching the group out for not letting my nrg regen. The two of us together can keep the group alive without draining energy after every couple battles...

Up through getting the seed for the bonus everything was working great, then the other monk decides he can do better healing from the front lines... Proceeds to agro 3-4 groups of 4 centaurs. Our two warriors try to save hsi bacon, our ranger and nuker both do their best to whittle down the numbers... until the other monk gets scared and runs (wait for it) forward. Yes, just aggro'd more. He turn around runs back past the warriors and drags the new group into the ranger, nuker, and me...

I've been keeping up with the warriors health and might have pulled it out until dimwit activated. Both warriors drop within 30 seconds of each other and I see the mass of man-horse coming at us. I know we're toast, so I turn to run. What does the other healer do? try to rez one of the warriors...

Fast forward a minute or two. I've managed to rez the elementalist as he was the furthest from the mobs. I tell him as I'm rezing, "run towards me". He does and the combination of my healing and his running gets him away from the mobs. Great! These centaurs like to drop a spirit and then put traps around it. If you kill the spirit or activate the traps, they come back down to set it again. Ok, so I tell the team, "do not attack this spirit or go near it." and I explain the logic. Even better, the centaurs are dropping symbiosis something that makes my enchantments even more effective...

Next guy to rez is a bit further in, but its the monk and I figure that means with coordination we can rez the party faster and get back on track. Same commands to run towards me after being rezed. What does he do? Stands there and starts casting healing spells on himself... Yes he dies. I fall back, rez the ranger and its all good (ranger can listen too). I'm feeling sorry for the warriors since they're all but under the centaurs but I know we can do better if I can get the other monk alive... this time he does run towards me first, but then decides that mean spirit needs to die... Yes he dies again.

So I tell the warriors I'll rez just one of them and do everything I can to keep him alive. We get some great support from the ranger we manage to pull the warrior to saftey. I leave the other monk dead. We head back in, the lone warrior is doing a great job with stances and this clusters the mobs enough to let the elementalist do some quality nuking. I rez the other warrior and everything is gravy. End of battle, I rez the other monk.

For the rest of the mission, I just let the other monk die in every battle. I swear he must have been trying to use healing touch... Thanks to me not needing to waste energy on the other monk, I was able to keep the rest of the very well behaved party alive and peachy. I'm sure that Junior Mint was tossing so healing in there somewhere, but I also know that his life bar jumped up and down a ton. I kinda enjoyed the fact that mobs will target the weakest member and thanks to his 60%dp... he was always that. Did a great job of taking fire off the tanks.


ANYWAY, where am I going with all this (aside from venting a bit)? There are bad healers out there that do give the rest of folks a bad name. So like all stereotypes, there are many exceptions. Its just too bad that some folks see being a Monk as making you the center of attention and the uber character. Players like the above monk... it just makes me sorry for the next group that picked him up thinking "woot we got a healer" and find out how wrong they were 3-4 battles in.

Thanks for reading!

I have healing spring...which gives me 42 HP every 2 seconds...I make the group aware of this before we leave and tell them that they need to keep in close proximity of me to alleviate the burden on the monk.....alot of people don't realize that the monk only has so much energy and that when it's gone he/she's gotta recharge.

solid video...I loved watching that warrior go rushing in alone

rangers that don't know their class are the worst to play with...

LOL N00B.

As an ele/mesmer I have to agree with Eclair - I never use aura of restoration anymore. It helps a lot when I'm at full health but when I'm in danger and would really need the health it usually means i'm very low on energy (not much is gonna get near or stay near and alive for long) - and thus aura of restoration doesn't help much. Lately, I used it only when I had a charm +5 energy when on enchantments

Well, everyone should try playing a monk once to realize the difficulty. Having being a "medic" in other games (MUDs, MOOs), I definitely know what I'm talking about. Rare is the one who says thanks, or that realizes how big a part of the victory goes to the healer.

The only thing that video proved is that some monks are jerks and don't know how to play. Noob? You're playing with a PUG party in the UW, and your poor healing skills and skill selections have resulted in the entire party having a DP of -60% (I assume) - it's so bad that you've decided it's easier to just go around and rez people instead of healing them?

Who is the noob in the video again?

/me shakes his head in wonder.

??? That warrior did nothing of the sort. One warrior ran ahead to attempt a pull (horrible pull, though) and then ran back to the group who was waiting. I swear some people decide on what they will see before they actually watch something.

Awesome story bobrath. I got quite a few chuckles out of reading that. I'd say the retarded monks are only about 5% of them out there, but they wind up leaving quite an impression on you, don't they? Especially if you are a second healer and thus can really see what they are doing (or not doing). I pray (har har) I'm never teamed with such a fool in an area like Fissure.

I love being a Monk, for some reason I just feel like I have the fate of the world in my hands as one.

Oh yes I love the WaMo's, they are so great. Just like a retarded little brother. At first I used to hate them, and curse them. Now I just laugh and applaude their antics.

I have more trouble with WaMo's in RiverSide than any other mission. I do not know what it is about his level.

I will heal my ass off for my team though. I even heal pets, up to ascension. After that pets do not get anymore love.

But I move at my own pace, after a long engagement I will sit and wait for my energy to regen. Or, I will follow very far behind. Energy for a monk regens pretty fast, so I do not need to wait to long. If they run off ahead though they do it without me. Some members may get mad at me, but what good is a monk with no energy?

As a Mo/R though I keep StormChaser equiped, so incase some one decides to aggro a bunch of new friends I can turn on the afterburners. Then when it is safe I will return to res.

If you have a particular player that likes to be up front taking on the world. Typing in CAPS does nothing. Except receive a response typed in caps. I have learned that sarcasm can go a long ways. "Hey you are an awesome tank, you dont need us for this mission, we can stay here and dance.", "I guess that group of drakes did not want to play with you after all."

I get groups like that all the time that I wrote a disclaimer (No joke)! DISCLAIMER: Monk is not responsible for deaths occured on this quest/or mission. When I say rest everyone in party must stop. I will heal were healing is needed.
Accept or Decline

I really do this now its sad.

The type casting of the classes is just plain overdone. Our guild has numerous intelligent players in all classes and a few poor ones that cover them all too. That's just life.

And your "strategy" for that part of Fissure was just asking for defeat. The blame is not on the Monk or the warrior but the whole team.

The best warrior for me is Stefan - he attacks what you want, he doesn't charge enemies unless you tell him to or they attack, he has self heal That's more than you can expect from 90% of Rambos out there. Plus he doesn't badmouth *ever*. Only thing he says is "Charge!".

Thats the way it should be KaPe...the way it should be....

It's actually Fissure. The noob part of the video is the decided tactic agreed upon by the Warriors. Banshees hit hard - not to mention the two entire mob of skeles, and in this particular quest if you are in the aggro zone of the Lord (the phantom that doesn't move), all mobs on that side of the bridge become aggro. By sitting on the bridge and aggro'ing what turns out to be three seperate mobs because of this supposed "line of defense" method was idiotic beyond compare. The only way to effectively clear the bridge is to pull the mobs, and to sit on it is suicide.

Now the creator of this video is no better than the Warriors who came up with the strategy since he didn't speak against it at all, and only slightly questioned it. We won't even have to mention his spectator attitude. Your entire party is being ambushed, and your party didn't even clear a large enough area behind yourselves to have an effective escape route, and you decide to not even cast a single spell. With Aegis on your skillbar and almost all melee enemies, you didn't even give them a chance - not that they would've survived, but at least you wouldn't have looked like a complete moron.

Edit: Why would you need that many Warriors anyhow? Not one ranger, primary or secondary? You guys weren't really planning ahead.

LMAO thats hilarious!! I will have to try that out just to get the WTF's!?!

BTW enjoyed the vid. Nice last line hehe!

Heh, I HATE people like this, I mean, for the love of God! They think they're level 20 back in Old Ascalon, sorry if I sound bitter, lol, but I play a Ranger/Mesmer and it's a 100% backlane life, so it really gets to me when idiots who think they're invincible charge straight into battle and then while they sit there pointlessly hacking at monsters that are being healed, the monks, archers, etc all die because the damn retards couldn't have been bothered to protect their backliners or even think of a decent strategy. Elona's Reach anyone?

Class quote, I am a E/Mo and I am going to use this everytime any team invite me, of course with your permission.

I myself play a primary monk and most of the time, my team doesn't even consider the fact that I need energy. Even when I Ctrl + click my energy bar a few times to say I only have 1 out of 45 energy, they still rush off with me only having that much. Then, when they all die, they go "WTF YOU SUCK HEALRRE U MADE US LOZE MISH!!!" Then, after I rez them all, I get a shower of "tkz for the rez man".

Now what I do is say something like "you aren't getting heals until you stop running off namehere" for anyone who runs off by themselves.

I just hate it when I am the only monk in a party of 6 and they either a) can't stay out of the poisonous swamps in kryta, b) can't wait for energy regen., c) rush off in 6 different directions all thinking that I will follow them. [/rant]

I only tend to blame healers when they just stand there trying to tank and attempt to heal the party when we are near death...but other than that, I blame alesia

i have to reply to this thread, and say how really funny that clip is, and i thought i had bad experiences with n00bs, this is the worst one yet, "ok now form up a war line", this one has to be in the guildwar book of quotes.

Anyway n00bs aside, monks do play an important roll, its very rare to find a good monk who knows how to do the job properly, i agree most monks do get verbal abuse if they dont heal someone at all and cause that person a 30% DP, and ive even ran into some monks who if they even get the slightest hint of abuse, they either say "i wont heal you anymore", or disconnect, i met one the other day who was new to a chaos axe, and wanted to see it, when i busy fighting foes, this person said that i wouldnt be healed anymore if i keep ignoring him/her, i actially died during that time because the monk wasnt healing our players, and too busy chatting being stubborn wanting there own way or the highway :/

And now that i think of it more, monks ARE stubborn.

I also met a monk today weilding a sword trying to be a warrior and attack, when i asked why arnt you healing, the monk replied i dont heal, i'm a warrior.

Anyway how it comes down to is, if the monk does well it gets praised ALOT
if the monk does bad, and fails to heal, causing mass death penalties, then the monk gets abuse.

and thats what it boils down to.

I"ve recently started with monkery and I absolutely love it from a role play perspective... but at level 11, Nolani academy and a total of about an hour of PvP I'm pretty certain that I will be the monk ONLY for henchmen and my closely knit guild... People are so abusive to monks... When I'm playing my ele, I'm very grateful for any healing I receive and when I die, you know what I think? "What did I do wrong? I'm dead!" I, ME, MYSELF am the person who is dead, who died,who received too much pain and fell over... I can't blame someone else and now especially after monking a bit in PvP I despise people immediately saying "it's your job to heal" "res me" "res me" "res me" "do your job monk"! Monk's got a name dammit! And do your job and protect the monk! "Can't when I got 2 warriors on me" and I'm supposed to heal when I got a warrior on myself and I'm struggling to stay alive???

sorry... I understand the plight of monks now, and I'm not even in Yak's Bend yet. I understand why monks feel fit to charge a group for services now. I understand why it's so hard to get monks in a group in later levels. I would drop a group who was being abusive in a second. I would never threaten to drop because of something childish like 'let me see that axe', but dropping for abuse, of course... who wants to be abused while being the only person on the team who gives life instead of taking it? Who wants to be abused regardless of the role played... nobody.

Abuse does not make a mission suddenly turn good and it doesn't make someone a better player. I breezed through the Ring of Fire mission 5 times (once with henchies and 4 times as an escort) and all but the last one where we had two droppers it was a cakewalk, because right away I directed everyone, they listened and when people made mistakes I laughed at them and played. I /cheered everytime we did something good, I encouraged and applauded everyone's successes. At the end of the mission a couple people thanked me for taking them through, but it was totally a team effort, I was just the map and the cheerleader. Because of positive encouragement from all players, we all, myself especially, came out of the mission a better player.

I've just completed the game as a healer, last mission with the lina-the bot-who-likes-to take-all-my-healing-energy-by-rushing-in was not too bad. One thing that I'm worried about is the responsibilty of the monk. If you cast the wrong spell or do not time a spell correctly it could result in the death of a party member. To be honest whenever somebody dies in a mission when I am healing I curse at myself for being a sucky monk. I apologise to the players often and it upsets me

I have to say that the game is far too reliant on monks, I can't really think of any other class that if missing would result in death of party members so quickly. Also most certainly it gives me a new love for monks and gives me the watchful eye on the party bar to see how everyone is going.

There are really only a few things I dislike when being a monk
-people that don't wait up and/or pull huge groups for kicks
-low armor characters who for some reason just stand and take damage, sure if you have some good armor spells go for it, but I can see the health bar drop fast and it would be better for me to not heal you so the party survives. I'm not even going to mention the necromancer that decided it be cool to take off all his armor in abbadons mission
-Mursatt towers, please please please please come back to get healed. I can't stress this enough. They suck energy from me if I enter the zone quickly for a heal which makes me far less effective

btw nice movie lol

Not all monk tanks are suicidal. My monk tank with 10 HP is practialy unkillable.

No don't use Vengance use Unyielding Aura its even better. Use the leash (Unyielding Aura). I drop W/Mos when ever they start a litte free thinking (as them thinking usally leads to death). This also reduces DP as you can turn it off right before they die for no added DP.

I have a 20 Mo/W who gets so frustrated with people running into battle when I have said (and repeated) that "I am out of energy - WAIT"

I used nothing but henchmen to get to level 20, but once I hit ascension, they arent good enough to continue with. Therefore, I am now having to group with real people, and the frustration level has skyrocketed...

ozy6205,

This is what I do to "Those People". I stay back...let them DIE. Then they have to listen to you. Since you are a Warrior/Monk like me bring "Rebirth" with you. Before you Rez them get them to understand your point. If they are still jerks...warp out and start again. Also within these PUGs there is usually a couple people that think like you do. Whisper to them during the Mission/Quest. Build up a relationship. They will work with you on other missions/quests. This is how I have developed most of my network of good reliable friends to enjoy the game with.

No don't use rebirth use Unyielding Aura if they continue with their actions they die simple as that. They gain no DP either so you can res them in the middle of a mob and right before they die turn the spell off. No gained DP. Then have another monk use it again and he can finish off the group.

That video just translated into a new Ignore List Entry. One less coc ky monk to have in your team
You're one of those people that will help the team by actually leaving it. It is the attitude which is your problem.

You're one of those reasons i nowadays ask for a CRAPPY Team, instead of the typical EXPERIENCED Team. Just because the "experienced" Teams will most assuredly have one of your companions in it. The teams that worked best i got when i asked for crappy players and newbie characters. People joined the team, but where not even close to being crappy. In fact they were decent. Just imagine a good player without the typical "I am superior" Attitude. Real fun to play with.

P.S.:
Ask for not so experienced people, they're probably the better players that are just fed up with the typical megalomaniac. And if they are not skilled, well... they joined your team as they accept themselves... unexperienced, thus stating the will to learn and adapt. Those are the people you can give some pointers what to do and what not to do. They will fail it now and then while learning it, but they most assuredly won't rush of into the crowd if you ask them friendly not to do.
The professional players just rush in, no matter the patrols, no matter the energy.

Yes that is a good spell, however it is an Elite one. I don't have that one yet. Also isn't that for a full fledge Monk? It depends on Divine Favor which W/Mo's do not have. I was speaking to him as a W/Mo to W/Mo.

Actually, I said I was a MO/W - a primary monk. I tell those people that they will NOT get healed if they pull and I have no energy (much good that it does, really)