it feels good to help the poor

dbgtboy

dbgtboy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

irl

i quit playing

i went to la today and gave away 20 free major runes, it feels good to help poorer players, we should make a national charity day in la once a week where u give away all the items you dont need to poorer players.

wahjot

wahjot

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

that could lead to beggars ala d2 (bring free soj, bring free tals, etc)

Red Rumm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

It is also difficult to seperate the needy from the scammers or greedy.

Kershent

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

It would have to be something kept quiet. Over the course of the day, randomly give a major rune to someone. Do it privately. That should keep moochers out of the way. Of course, you might be giving it to someone's alt, and they might have thousands in their storage, but that's a risk you take.

Luggage

Luggage

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

sweden

Well just don't give them to anyone who asks for them... it's really simple.

Minwanabi

Minwanabi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

We have a weekly iQ giveaway in Ascalon, we usually have 300-500 minor/major runes and fun weapons/shields/foci from the week of farming. It's really satisfying, although we usually have more runes than noobs, if you can believe it, but a lot of stuff piles up over the course of a week.

Cindare Sunstriker

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Friends in United Nation (FUN)

Me/Mo

I usually ask people to meet me at storage and if they're in pre-searing armor, they get it otherwise, not.

I don't know many people who actually would hang onto pre-searing armor just to mooch. .. or maybe I am being too optimistic. =/

SantaClause

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

US

I go to LA dist 1 and play little games with people for runes. Hide and go seek is fun! I fill up my inventory with runes and spend a few hours having fun with people.

Zoolooman

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Ectos And Shards

I give away my "junk" by running up to random low level characters in Old Ascalon, whispering, "Here, I'm giving you this for free," and trading them a high-damage weapon, minor/major rune, or weapon upgrade.

I'm sure I've given greedy jerks some goods for resale, but I'm also sure I've twinked random newbies with bitchin' weapons and the minor/major runes needed to meet their skill requirements.

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

So, do any of you Mother Theresas ever help the poor in real life?

Than

Than

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

UGLY

Me/N

I personally have, though theres Hobos comming out the Ying Yang in Austin.

Though I restrict my Monetary/Item charity to my guild mates myself. Though I often help people thru to the next areas.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

Hello
This is Weezer
Weezer lives in an icey grotto with 136 other rangers.
Could you tell Weezer, to his face, that 80 gold a day is too much to supply him with the armour and food he needs to survive?
Call the support a ranger foundation today. It's the best thing that could happen to 80 gold coins. You will recieve a screenshot of a ranger like Weezer and all your money will go to your sponsored ranger.
So call the support a ranger foundation today. at 555-POOR-BLUE

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue
Hello
This is Weezer
Weezer lives in an icey grotto with 136 other rangers.
Could you tell Weezer, to his face, that 80 gold a day is too much to supply him with the armour and food he needs to survive?
Call the support a ranger foundation today. It's the best thing that could happen to 80 gold coins. You will recieve a screenshot of a ranger like Weezer and all your money will go to your sponsored ranger.
So call the support a ranger foundation today. at 555-POOR-BLUE
hahaha

corax5

corax5

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Ye olde England.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue
Hello
This is Weezer
Weezer lives in an icey grotto with 136 other rangers.
Could you tell Weezer, to his face, that 80 gold a day is too much to supply him with the armour and food he needs to survive?
Call the support a ranger foundation today. It's the best thing that could happen to 80 gold coins. You will recieve a screenshot of a ranger like Weezer and all your money will go to your sponsored ranger.
So call the support a ranger foundation today. at 555-POOR-BLUE
LMAO, thats gd.

Qi Ang

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Qi Ang is a poor monk here in Tyria... He spends most of his time healing ungrateful adventurers who pay no heed to the level of the monsters they wish to attack. At a young age he became addicted to mixing and applying dyes, wasting all of his savings. He also needs new tattoos to keep his healing skills up to par. Won't you please help him? If not now... when?

Ordas

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qi Ang
Qi Ang is a poor monk here in Tyria... He spends most of his time healing ungrateful adventurers who pay no heed to the level of the monsters they wish to attack. At a young age he became addicted to mixing and applying dyes, wasting all of his savings. He also needs new tattoos to keep his healing skills up to par. Won't you please help him? If not now... when?

1000 gold a month... that's like only 33 gold a day, something you make off a couple mob drops easily. How could you say no to such a face? Please, help now, and give this moocher a better life

Qi Ang

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ordas
1000 gold a month... that's like only 33 gold a day, something you make off a couple mob drops easily. How could you say no to such a face? Please, help now, and give this moocher a better life
better yet, give this moocher a guild hall

Scaphism

Scaphism

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jan 2005

Idiot Savants [iQ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minwanabi
We have a weekly iQ giveaway in Ascalon, we usually have 300-500 minor/major runes and fun weapons/shields/foci from the week of farming. It's really satisfying, although we usually have more runes than noobs, if you can believe it, but a lot of stuff piles up over the course of a week.
The newbie giveaways are quite enjoyable, but we try to organize them spontaneously to reduce the number of vultures who come begging for runes (level 20 characters who only want to turn around and try and sell the things we've been trying to give to those who want to use them.)

Honestly though, the hardest part is holding all the excess runes til the next giveaway. If only we could get an extra bag for our characters for donation items. A bag that you put runes into and once in there, they can only be donated to lowbie characters. Let's call it "Donation Storage". That'd be something we can bring to ANet to implement and feel good about.

That, and runes need to stack. Please please please let them stack.

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtboy
i went to la today and gave away 20 free major runes, it feels good to help poorer players, we should make a national charity day in la once a week where u give away all the items you dont need to poorer players.

I give away alot of items on a daily basis. especially items that I'm only going to get 5-20 gold for at a merchent. I give away alot of lower end swords, bows, hammers (7-10 9-13 dmg)....yesterday I gave away a Minor Mesmer Rune and a Minor Necromance Rune.

if you don't need it and you don't need the money for something else...why not help out some of the lower leveled players.

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scaphism
The newbie giveaways are quite enjoyable, but we try to organize them spontaneously to reduce the number of vultures who come begging for runes (level 20 characters who only want to turn around and try and sell the things we've been trying to give to those who want to use them.)


That, and runes need to stack. Please please please let them stack.

my BIGGEST gripe with the game

Minwanabi

Minwanabi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

yeah, same for un-ided armors...

Darkest Dawn

Darkest Dawn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio, USA

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue
Hello
This is Weezer
Weezer lives in an icey grotto with 136 other rangers.
Could you tell Weezer, to his face, that 80 gold a day is too much to supply him with the armour and food he needs to survive?
Call the support a ranger foundation today. It's the best thing that could happen to 80 gold coins. You will recieve a screenshot of a ranger like Weezer and all your money will go to your sponsored ranger.
So call the support a ranger foundation today. at 555-POOR-BLUE
LOL That was good.

ShadowMaster

ShadowMaster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ozark Mountains

Harbingers of Desolation

E/N

you KNOW you've been playing GW too much when you need more room to store 300-500 runes!!! Good Gawd...... I vaguely remember what it was like to be so hard-core/addicted/etc........ I am SO glad I got out of that routine years ago....

I know... different strokes for different folks..... but good gawd......

C-Tzar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

North AL, USA

E/Mo

I love to help noobs get more out of the game by not giving them anything. Seriously, getting too many or too large of a handout is kinda like putting an FPS in /godmode. But if I'm in a group and get some junk that I have no use for and someone else mentions that they could use it, I just give it to them.

nechronius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Southern Cali

Herald of the Storm

W/R

I frequently give away various weapons. Usually bows in the 13-22 damage range and hammers in the 14-25 range. Not super powerful, but doing a decent chunk of damage at lower levels. I did once give away a max damage short sword of fortitude and with like +10% damage to charrs or something.

I never respond to questions for more equipment though. And I try to hang out in an area long enough to pick out who the seller is via the trade channel so I can avoid giving things away to them.

Pevil Lihatuh

Pevil Lihatuh

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Yorkshire, UK

R/Me

I give away any runes or gold items i get that i wont use. Why? Well its impossible to sell anything what with the constant spam that prevents any ones messages being seen plus I want to play the game. I don't want to sit around for hours trying to flog that minor rune of vigor. I wanna get back out to the hunt, and I can do that by either selling it to an NPC, effectively wasting it, or I can give it to someone who at least has the chance to use it. Oh and I never give them to people who ask. If I'm in a good party and have something that might be useful to someone, when we get to an outpost I'll say "come here a sec", or if I happen to want rid of weapon upgrades I'll just send out a public message saying "Who uses bows" and first person to pm me gets all my upgrades :P

Now if there was an auction house, I'd leave the things up for auction. But I'd still keep some back, there's one guy I talk to who has given me a few ranger runes and weaps, and whenever I find warrior things, I give them to him. Trading in a different way.

Odd Sock

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, the super awesome capital of Canada

iQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scaphism
That, and runes need to stack. Please please please let them stack.
You realize what the spike on a 20 air magic combo for Surge Orb and Chain would do ? I vote for no

Zoolooman

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Ectos And Shards

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd Sock
You realize what the spike on a 20 air magic combo for Surge Orb and Chain would do ? I vote for no
I think he means stack in the inventory, so that you can save space.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

That's so patronising... "junk"...

Friends who I help are like me, they have pride. So rather than give them handouts I actually like to spend my time with them, farming for materials or gold so they can achieve what they want and feel they had some part in it.
Also I think the time and effort show more than just offloading stuff on people.

Of course a lot of people out there are willing to take free stuff, but I couldn't enjoy a decent sword in the game if I knew i'd done f*** all to get it.

Akshara

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
I love to help noobs get more out of the game by not giving them anything. Seriously, getting too many or too large of a handout is kinda like putting an FPS in /godmode.
Indeed. Sometimes the price being high on something valuable is more helpful, as it encourages the player to make an effort toward getting it. Giving a lvl 8 new arrival a max damage weapon or major rune before they've finished at least a few missions can seriously unbalance the game for them at the outset. They rely too much on their gear, and not enough on their skill choice and usage in a team.

It's not always about greed or making a buck. I'll sell high lvl weapons and upgrades at fair prices, but giving them away doesn't help. What we're doing by giving all of these items to new players is making them too dependent on their gear instead of working with their skill choice and creating effective strategies. Many of these players, once they get to the higher levels where gear doesn't matter, could be at a disadvantage or simply not have learned how to utilize skill selection and timing that well. This hurts high level team based play, and those of us who aren't in guilds looking for good groups.

If a warrior has 2k to spend on a max damage axe, or a major vigor rune, then that's a sign that they've done at least some work ingame to warrant their having it. There's a fine line between being compassionate and helpful, and being enabling and harmful.

pionata

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Man I bought 50k of damn fire runes until I realised they didnt stack. 1 minor 2 major and one superior. I guess I wont do that again... Now Im stuck with 0 gold and 2 armor parts that are only there to reduce my health by 50 each... Hurg.

Akshara

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

If the armor was crafted, rather than traded for at a Collector, you could use an Expert Salvage Kit on the items to try and get the major runes out, then resell them and buy new armor pieces.

I did a similar thing once, discovering they didn't stack. It was worth crafting a new armor piece and getting some more dye for it, just to get the -50 health removed.

Understand that there is a risk though, since there's no guarantee that the rune will be what is salvaged... it may be a bunch of cloth or hides instead, which is what happened in my situation.

pionata

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hey Akshara, Thx for the tip, I didnt knew what to do with the old armor... Ill take a chance. (I know there is more chance that all I get is Cloth, but whatever...)

Edit : I got the Major Rune back.... YAY

DrSLUGFly

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

I don't often give stuff away... in fact I'm even a bit iffy about grabby guildmates (though when in need I give no questions). However I always enjoy helping lower level players through missions and quests... It's fun for me, they appreciate an elementalist who can tank (and kill in less than 4 shots) and I get loads of crafting materials which I also find fun.

NoChance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

it's actually hard work giving some things away, like weapon modifiers, and even often runes...

i often end up selling items back to the game.

Akshara

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Edit : I got the Major Rune back.... YAY
Cool. Glad to hear that worked out after all.

NoChance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

by the way... how do you guys who give stuff away go about doing it?

do you go to the trade channel, or use the global channel?
and do you explictly announce that you're giving something out for free?


i usually say, in the global channel, "anyone want a <item name>?", or "anyone interested in a <item name>?" ... i don't announce that it's free until someone
whispers that they are interested (to avoid resellers).

i feel a bit bad about using the global channel for this, but since i'm giving stuff away
for free, i don't feel too bad.

Traylorre

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

When I give stuff away I know that although now they may feel WoW and all... but that later they'll realize theres just too much of it around that I couldn't keep it and selling is a pain so I gave it away...

Now I avoid doing it unless it an item I really feel has some worth.

Who do I give it to?... the closest person I feel could use it... after all that's what we'd all like to see happen to the gear -- that it be put to use!

Someone mentioned the game becoming unalanced for new players spoilt with max dmg... I couldnt agree more... so players do develop their game while others are hack'n'slash dumbos (or flare spammers)

My ranger got a gold, max +14% half-moon for 700 or 800ish but I understood that the guy was basically giving it away at knockoff... he saw I was broke and could really use it so it made him feel good.

Now when I haggle my goods away and I see someone literally pleading for me to give it at a cheaper price (in a polite way) I usually do.

Last note: someone noted that spending time with the person to earn their gear is more worthwhile... agreed... when guild-chat spawns a "i need 300 gold plzz for my new armor"... I PM him saying I'll take him for a Kryta Drake spin until he gets the dough.

zoozoc

zoozoc

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Beaverton/OR

Disciples of Birkler [BIR]

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifeime.

Something like that.

pionata

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Well i was in Lion Arch District 1, Screaming : "WTS Major Fire Rune - 1 Gold Piece, awesome Price, WTF are you waiting for!!!???" for 5 minutes and no one even messaged me... lol damn